Wireless Dust Extraction Control From Multiple Switches.
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- In this video I install a wireless switching system from multiple locations for my dust extraction system.
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"You can never find the bloody fob when you want it". I live by this mantra.
Great idea John really cool to see an Irish electrician at work 👍
Cheers Calum
John this is unbelievable as I'm in the process of building a workshop and I have the same dust extraction unit as you and over past month or so I've been looking into these switches, and all of a sudden there you are uploading a video on installation of them!
Cheers much appreciated and as always 💯% 👍🇬🇧.
Glad to help
Nice simple setup John. The first thing that crossed my mind when I started watching was, ‘aren’t those kinetic modules normally dimmable’. The 2nd in-line contactor idea is genius.
I don’t go near electrics, but I have enjoyed learning more about them. I’m currently building my workshop and there will need to be electrics added. This has helped me know where to put in spaces for extra wiring after first fit.
Glad it helped.
It's grate to see a pro at work
I bought an air filter after seeing your video about getting one. I too have a habit of putting things down then wondering what I did with them. What I did with the remote was put a piece of sticky velcro on the back with the other part next to the light switch, walk in the workshop, turn on the lights, turn on the filter, put the remote back. End of the day, filter to 1 hour, lights off, lock up.
I might just do that
This is a pro version of my setup! I've got receiver sockets that do up to 2300W that I put in between whatever equipment I need to switch on and off. You can also group sockets which allows me to put stuff on different circuits. The main advantage is that you don't need to be an electrician to install it, which I'm not.
I use a fob right now and I do misplace it a bit, maybe I should get some of the compatible switches!
Well done. So much better than my remote fob, that needs a battery.
Another great video John. Brilliant idea dad is just having his workshop built next week and Warren is got be done as using all my dust extraction kit over there so this set up would be ideal for him I will speak to them at our local electrical shop so I can get the bits ready for the electrician we’re going to run the cables round in the ring main ready psych saves time for electrician so he says.
Glad to see you use the the milwaukee electrician's tool belt in one of your videos 👍
Hey John- wood working sparks from Dublin here - seems like there’s a few of us out there! Nice vid - enjoying your channel. All the best.
Seems to be a couple of us around!
Love the nice and simple idea from just kinetic energy switches sending a signal! Unfortunately after that you have a switch that switches a switch to switch a switch to switch on your dust extractor, but good to know that these issues can be solved that way :)
A great video, I never knew those kinetic switches exist! No power or batteries! Amazing what a bit of pixie dust can do.
😁 Nicely done John. Looks like a great solution. Don't know if I could justify it in my shop... I'm only ever two steps away from everything so don't know if remote switches are necessary 😂🤣. Thanks for the video, stay safe 😁👍
Great idea, love the pipe work. Great to see you ordering the wrong thing like the rest of us at times.
Thats a great system John and a great solution to the arcing problem ! Much better than rooting around for the fob for my remote sockets or cutting the power suddenly because I forgot the fob was in my arse pocket. I might buy just one switch though and velcro it to my breast pocket so it's always there ! Might put a Star Trek badge on it too ...
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Great setup, simple and very easy to add to
Great stuff, John. You’ve given me some great ideas. I don’t do electrics, but oddly enough the one contractor I trust to do electrics is also named John! ;). I’ll have some stuff for him to do as soon as he’s done with the bar wiring. :-D
Thank you! Just the type of product I needed to see, and lucky for me my son is an electrician. 👍
this is so gangster, he's a licensed electrician, yet, his true calling is in a non-conductive medium.
Looking forward to the electric blast gates 😉 nice video mate👍
These kinetic switches are a great solution I didn’t consider this option myself so has got me thinking great info in the video as normal John 👍👍
Thanks for sharing this, which must seem pretty basic to you. I also prefer a switch that stays where it belongs to a fob you need to keep track of.
My shop has 12V wiring to a switch next to each stationary machine. The low voltage line switches the coil of the contractor to power the DC.
I didn't know about the unpowered rf signalling switches, but I guess you can move them more easily than mine.
Awesome mate. Love it and thanks for the lessons learned - totally going to steal the idea as exactly as I wanted.
Go for it!
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed haha, I'll be sure to tell anybody it was your idea. Seeing as how you've replied, just curious - is there any reason you've gone to the extra trouble of using metal conduit in your workshop? I'd guess it's due to regulations
Or you can sense current draw and both switch on the extraction and open the correct gate. Small remote mounted on the end of the overhead hose for cordless.
Pretty interesting system, John! Great work! 😃
With time I'm going to try something like that as well!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
wow a pro at work
Great video John! They are a handy wee yoke. Will have to keep them in mind when I get my dust extractor in👍
great for switching lots of things
Fantastic job John
Cheers
Great idea John
I absolutely love this! I know you do electrical stuff I’d love to see more electrical woodworking related stuff. I have been wanting to do a router table setup but the electrical of wiring a switch for my router and shop vac to turn on at the same time is tripping me up big time
I'll add some more electrical content
Have you seen the Kemo M103N Master slave switch? It'd be great if John did a video on using that for a custom set up - pros and cons and practicalities and realities of power and load limits.
Great video. Given you're background, would you do a video on the Kemo M103N Master slave switch? Might be useful to some with smaller spaces.
Great information. Is there a way to remotely engage a dx4000 by just using the power of the tool you are using. IE using a chopsaw switches on the vacuum
Great job John nice off set with the bender, guess what I'll be getting from the merchants tomorrow lolol 😜 no more running around after the bloo dy extractor lol 😆 cheers mate for the idea 👍
Glad to help
MACCA!!! That is an awesome system, I appreciate the disclaimer at the start because I do not play with anything electrical, it's not worth the risk. My brother is a sparky so i'll have to convince him to come over and set one of those up for my woodshop - Are electricians in Ireland called sparkies? Cheers mate!!
They are indeed
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed Can you pleeeease say you're a sparky next time you mention you're an electrician!! Cheers mate, keep up the great work!
Did you see the carpentry store on nationwide John? They had some very interesting stuff on there. I can't wait untill the lockdown is over so I can go and have a gawp!
I saw it on there CZcams channel, I have only bought from them online never made it up there myself
Yeah, me too. I haven't got anything from them yet, but I will do.
Really informative video. Thanks John
Very welcome
Awesome great idea.
very nice done and you not going to look for the fob for first 10 minutes before you start cutting
John, have you ever thought of offering consultations to help other Paddy's set up our shops?
That's kind of what my channel is lol, but I could absolutely give advice where needed.
This isn't a bad idea at all you know.
Hi john - I’m in Dublin and I’m trying to come up with a solution for getting my extractor started once a machine is switched on but back at the fuse board . Can it be done using a relay or contactors ?
I have a shop-vac that I plug tools into. When the tool turns on the vacuum turns (sensing the tool electrical load) on and stays on for 10 seconds after the tool is turned off. Is this type of switch available so I can use it on other dust extractors?
Another great video, I have a question regarding workshop lighting, In my work shop I have fluroescent tubes and Im now thinking of changing the tubs to daylight leds. Do you thing it would make a diffrence regarding the running cost or is it best to just stick to the standard flurescent? What do you think would be better cool white or daylight tubes.
Hi mate can you tell me what I need to get to get wireless switches in my shed please kind regards Brian 🙂
Nice bending technique....
Hi John, is it abel to connect 3 fase system to that switch ? Where to buy ?
interesting. Is there any reason why all domestic light switches couldn't all now be kinetic switches? The extra initial cost would be offset by not having to wire in the switches. It would certainly save plenty of wiring and make putting light switches where you want them a doddle.
You could absolutely use wireless options however it's never going to be a reliable a wired switches and tech changes so often you may need to reinstall every few years. But it's certainly an option.
Great video again John. But what's happening with the cabinet doors. I need closure.
Soon Gary lol
Great video John, would this work to turn on a three phase switch?
Yes, you could switch a 3 phase contractor no problem
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Nice video John. Would I be right in thinking that a domestic installer could simply connect the supply to a domestic 240V/13A plug , assuming they are competent with electrics. It looks like Quinetic do a 16A receiver here in the UK, too which would appear to make life easier ?
Yes you could, you could make this unit with a lead and plug and just plug it in. I would be cautious about using electronic devices to switch heavy loads even though it has a 16amp rating in my experience the don't last. I would still use a contactor as a dust extractor will be switched on and off a lot
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed thanks John
Great job John! Any recommendations for a similar setup but for an extractor that has an NVR switch on it?
I was going to address that in the video but I didn't want people messing with their nvr switches. What you would need to do is put this in circuit after the nvr switch and before the motor. It's quite possible to do but you could void the warranty.
Hi your videos has really inspired me and I told my parents and they are happy with my choice. I need your advice on something, I want to become an electrician that fixes electronics E.G ps5 but I don't know where to start.
You need to look at electronics and electronic engineering if you want to repair things like a ps5. An electrician doesn't do that kind of work.
Hey John, jsut a quick question on the sparky side, which I wouldnt go near in my wildest dreams, but, the mother got new lights and a dimmer put in and bathroom mirror lights too, the room with the dimmer seems to flicker any time the shower at the other end of the house goes on and with other switches being flicked on too. and there is a constant low buzz from ALL the new bathroom fixings, wondering if they need to be looked at. House is only about 14 years old but the original builders were and absolute joke. think I need to get a pro in? we're already having to replace a part of the roofing, thats how shoddy the builders were. cheers and sorry for the long post
Could be a number of things, possible loose neutral/ bad connection. Are the new lights LED? if they are it could be an incompatible dimmer. Its hard to know without looking. I would suggest getting a sparks to have a look.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed yup, the one trade not in the family is always the one we need haha. Cheers boss.
Hi John
Thanks for another great video. Looking to set up a workshop for hobby/paid work and you have covered pretty much everything I need to do. A couple of questions about this setup.
Does the 20A NO contactor act like an NVR switch? if the power trips, does the contactor resort to normally meaning you have to use the kinetic switch to to close the contacts after the power returns? Could you have put the contactor in the main consumer unit (fuse board) rather than adding another small unit? Any particular reason you did it this way?
cheers
Donal
Hi Donal, it does work like a nvr switch if the power goes the kinetic receiver doesn't switch on when the power returns. As for fitting the contactor in the board you absolutely could, I kept it local to the dust extractor in case I buy a bigger unit with an NVR switch I will have to do some extra wiring and having it near the extractor is easier.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed Thanks John, good reason to look for a non NVR switch extractor if you have already created one 😀
Hi John. Really good to see you back here. I have bought a place in Kerry and am in the process of putting a roof back on outbuildings, so I can set up a workshop. This video is very useful, along with the tips on setting up a workshop.
I get the method you suggest here, but I'm not a qualified electrician (I assume its only the main consumer unit I can't touch in Ireland?). My extractor does have the NVR switch and so I'm looking at you suggestions on how to manage this. I know you'll cringe at this guy's wiring, but any thoughts on this type of approach? czcams.com/video/xeHdBSRnnpw/video.html&ab_channel=DIYTinkerer
John,
Are all the conduits you use of the rigid type (heavier wall and threaded)? Here in the states we mostly install EMT unless in an outdoor/harsher situation. Instead of locknuts on the threads to connect to a box, compression or set screw connectors is the norm.
Yeah its all heavy threaded stuff, I have used some EMT before on some kit we install that comes from the US, very handy don't know why we don't use something similar in certain situations.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed very interesting. I myself just made/wired up my own Ivac switch using a current sensor, relay, and a doorbell transformer. As soon as I turn on my miter saw, my shop vac comes on automatically. Love the skills our trade (electrical) gives us!
with a google nest mini , voice control DOES work , i know because i use mine with my dust collector and 2 compressors , you can adjust the stage of listening (sorry not english) in the app once and then leave the phone in your pocket
Any thoughts on how this set up compares to the iVac Pro set up? Automatically turning on when the tool turns on is nice, but probably a lot more expensive.
It depends, if all the tools are on a single circuit then you could use a CT to detect a load and switch the dust extractor on but it would need to be wired that way, there are many ways to do it.
Is it me or is this probably really good with metal conduit
Hi john what size mcb do you need at the fuse box thanks
I put in a 20 amp, however the mcb is sized not only to the load but to the cable size and the fault loop impedance, so make sure the cable is the correct size and its not too long a run from the board.
Iv got a belt sander and sometimes when I turn it on the motor creates a big spark or an ark and I don’t know why it an induction motor an is about 30 years old. Why is this and can I fix it or is it quite a major problem?
Could be the brushes are worn and not making good contact, could just be a simple replace the brushes job
Do I take it that your extractor is drawing from all machines at the one time? Perhaps your next video could show remote controlled blast gates ?
No I have manual blast gates on all my machines.
Do they still make upright Hilmore bending machines, I used to use them as an apprentice gas fitter back in the day. Regards Jim.
They sure do and they are not cheap!
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed yep just replaced a record one that some bug gar had away
Why don’t you just put a CT switch on the tool circuit to control a contractor on the extractor circuit?
I have multiple circuits and tool locations so its easier to use wireless switches.
Was there no space for the receiver in the distribution panel - would have made the install much easier?
There was and I had thought of doing that, however I might at some point upgrade my extractor and the new extractor could come with a nvr switch so I wanted to keep the controls local as I would have to place these controls in circuit after the nvr switch and before the motor.
is there any reason not to put a plug on this instead of hardwiring it back to the board.
whats the rough cost of this
The plug is to switch the individual machine, you could put the controls back in the board and do away with the module I installed over the socket.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed sorry what i meant was that you could make the whole assembly like an extension lead and plug into a normal socket and the tool into it.
@@MelbourneAlan yeah you could absolutely do that
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