After watching many videos of people taking these little bikes on and off road and seeing their toughness and versatility, i'm literally falling in love with the Grom. Great video by the way!
The reason youre probably experiencing the "lag" at lower end is one because that cam you put in one is made for mid to top end pull which is why that ecm is raised to 10k rpm's (so you can benefit from 6-10k in the rev range) which is basically replacing the low end power for top end in a similar way that gearing does (and some bottom end could be gained back with a gearing change) and two because that decomp was giving rotating mass and a heavier rotating mass helps with bottom end (and could be gained back through the use of a heavier flywheel or clutch basket). As someone who has always wanted a grom but cant because i live in a small town that id have to ride highways (atleast 30 minutes) to get anywhere so i thought that a grom was just a dream and id keep riding big bikes, but this has changed my mind. I also didnt want to bore or stroke a grom because i dont have a case puller to pull a bottom end and i didnt want to lose reliability with a big bore. This seems like a viable option that doesnt kill the bank
I agree with you completely. It makes sense that I'm really feeling the bog, because I removed my oil spinner as well, which contributes a significant amount of rotating mass. It really does pull on the top end now though. Just depends on how you want to set your grom up. I appreciate your informative response!
Hi mate. My cam and reflashed ecu arrived from the USA. I've had the Chimera air intake for a while but wanted to wait for the cam and ecu. Big thanks CT. Regards from Western Australia 🇦🇺
Turns out David from DHM lives a few minutes from me. After watching your vid I ordered the cam and ECU. Then we met up and he flashed my ecu while on the bike and handed me the cam. Installing today and stoked! Thanks for the vid.
DUUUUDE thats awesome! Thanks so much for sharing this, David's customer service sounds outstanding. You're going to love the combo, let me know what you think!
CT Gromer holy-e crap. Just let it warm up and went for a rip. This is by far the best 153 dollars you can spend on a grom. I’m about 180 lbs and 7-rev limiter is now a blast. Already let David know I was really happy.
James Bailey YES!!!! Isn’t it insane?! Enjoy man!! It will continue to get a little better as the ECU learns more. Mine seemed to get better until about 50 miles on the new ECU. So happy that you’re happy bud!
Dude. Thanks. I am doing this for sure. I’ve got the intake and exhaust and have been on the fence on which ECU. But for 150 bucks cam and ecu that’s a done deal!
Thanks for commenting man, I really think you'll like it. I was really impressed with the boost I got, was not expecting it to be that significant! Let me know what you think!
Great video, I currently own a 2020 Goldwing and a 2019 Super Cub. I’ve really started to enjoy small bikes, thinking of adding a Grom to my garage. The videos are awesome and give me plenty of ideas, keep up the good work 👍
I really appreciate the compliment on the channel, and I'm glad you're enjoying the content! I'll bet the Super Cub is fun, and if you're really liking it, you'll love the grom!
Hi Daniel! Thanks for meticulous approach to testing. Interesting that with adding more RPMs (10000) and power on top end the Top Speed remains the same and even less than without kit.
Oh hell yeah! Nice video once again. This is what I'll be doing to my Grom for sure. I thought it sounded great once i moded my air box but this is outrageous! I love my Grom more than any previous bike I've owned. So good around town and a shit ton of fun to work on. Every time I ride it I feel like I'm getting away with something. :) It's got over 15000 kms (9300 miles) on it so it needs some love and this is just the thing. Thanks mate!.
RC Details ahhhhh man I love hearing about guys like you that ride the sh*t out of their groms and just enjoy them to the fullest! We really are getting away with something! Best money I ever spent! Glad the content was helpful! Keep grommin!
CT Gromer you’re fu*king awesome man! You basically tried all the things I’ve thought about doing to my GROM. I actually have a Yoshi in route to my house as we speak as well as a Short Dinger intake and I am definitely sending my ECU out to DHM now. Thanks for making your videos dood!
I just installed my intake combined with Yoshimura exhaust. I've been waiting on my cam and ecu for about a week now! Im excited for it to show up, only one more week. I just put a video up on my channel about the intake. Thanks for the awesome review
Hey thanks for commenting! Just watched the video you put up, it's great man, keep them coming! We need more good content creators! Wait until you install the CAM and reflashed ECU. the difference is crazy!
My bad guys I forgot to respond on here, but yes it is noticeablyfaster I have topped out at 77 miles an hour I am 6'2 215lbs, it pulls way harder 1st through 3rd above 7000 RPMs it just opens up
When you feel the lag at low rpm, that's a bargain with high duration/high lift aftermarket cam, you can cope it a little bit by raising your compression ratio I have a wave110, with high lift & duration cam, it did a little bog at the low end, but at mid & high, it pulls like crazy Camshaft literally shaping the character of your engine
I feel the same way, it more than makes up for the low-end bog with its crazy mid-high range power now! Not to mention the amazing sound now! Thanks for commenting!
@@rmdhndwi To be honest I don't. I trust that DH Motoring knows what he's doing. So far, everything is going great. The package he sent me contains an ECU that has been flashed to compensate for the CAM he sent.
This video gets me excited, I ordered the dhm stage 3 kit for my grom, cam and high compression piston with ecu flash, now I can’t wait for that video you’re planning!
That's awesome. I'm planning to buy a grom this weekend and I'm looking for the best way to get 70+mph out of the bike. It's only a few miles on the highway to work but I want to be able to keep up with traffic. Thanks for the video man. You got a new sub' I'll be watching all your content from now on.
Thanks so much for subbing and commenting! good luck picking up a grom! You wont regret it. Keeping gearing stock, intake, quality exhaust and Reflash ECU (look into DH Motoring) will get you to 70mph. Adding the CAM will help even more!
Thanks for commenting! YES! I should've clarified this in the video better, ECU-Reflash is mandatory with the new CAM, my bars are KLX110 ProTaper SE Bars, with a red EBay "Honda" pad cover. I appreciate all the kind words, I'll keep producing content!
Just installed a 57mm bore kit (148cc) for $25, added a 28mm exhaust system ($25) and have a performance cam ($25) and bigger injector ($15) on order. After everything is installed and running smoothly, I'll get an ECU remap done in a parking lot at a local shopping mall by a freelance Honda technician for about $17 bucks. Yes, things are inexpensive where I live...and I own the MSX, not a "Grom". I hope I'll be done with my major MSX projects.
Man, you're right, I always get the "T" confused with "timing mark" instead of top dead center, my bad for saying that. aaaand you're not the first to say that about the Ki-mera intake... thank you for commenting!
I'm very interested in the cam package, but I do also like the 186cc kit.....hmmm I can't decide dammit I have too many projects.....thanks for your review.
You stated the reason why I don't get a cam. I'm not willing to give up low rpm torque in exchange for high rpm horsepower. For performance guys who want to race around all the time it's the perfect solution. But not so practical for regular daily transportation guys who always ride between 3,500 and 6,000 rpm. For most riders it's a great product and the price is right. : )
That's true you do lose some. But when I'm riding the grom in town I find myself at pegged throttle a lot of the time, so it definitely helps get you up to speed when you need it!
@@CTGromer My riding style is completely different. I rarely peg the throttle and the engine is almost always between 3,500 and 6,000 rpm. With such a small bike and a tiny engine, weight becomes a major performance factor. I weigh 138 and my Grom is lightened down to 214 pounds. I just ordered a lightweight all aluminum rear swing arm to make it even lighter. Cams are just fine if you need to spool up the engine. That's what they're designed to do.
You guys are missing the point of the PCV. It affords you the ability to make changes to the bike, and only pay for the ecu once. If you are content with just the stuff you've done, then by all means, reflash your ecu. But it's like a drug, once you start, you're hooked. The power commander (at least on my last two liter bikes) also had expandability for a/f and other stuff.
You're right, and I try to make that point clear in some of my other videos. If you are going to CONTINUE to mod your bike, BBK, etc. then the PCV has the expand-ability and the customization potential to make it the better choice. For most people on here that are just doing bolt ons and staying stock bore, the ECU flash is the cheapest and safest option. Thanks for the comment!
Brother BTW CZcams is screwing with you a little bit- I got hit with a dialog box as soon as I clicked on this video saying "Tell us what your biggest problem with this channel is" (!!) and had a list of answers below like misleading this or spam that etc. Up top was some header saying "clickbait channels", or something close to that. I wish I had snapped a pic. Anyway if you're monetized, keep it in mind and consider what you can do to be proactive and avoid getting hosed by the YT Police. Stoked to hear what's up with the cam and ECU upgrades though so I'm shutting up now.
Good lookin out brother, I have not idea what that's about! I'm going to look into it though. No, I'm not monetizing at this point, maybe in the future, so I wonder why you were shown these options? I wonder how many others have seen it?? Click bait channel? Thats a little insulting YT!
I like it here in Thailand no one pump with Multi Grades of Fuel! I run 91 as it is........🤪 Ive got a 2021 (2022 USA) Grom w/ TST coverplate Sprint Air Filter, Zoom Brute Exhaust and DHM S1 v2 cam ive got the High Compression Piston Kit but I'm kind of on the fence about installing it as Ive seen/heard mixed reviews about the durability of it.....
Comparing the power commander to a package that includes a cam is kind of unfair. A power commander is only as good as the tune that gets put on it. It's really designed to allow for unlimited tuning (like on a dyno) and is very often underutilized. Not saying the flash and cam isn't sweet it's just comparing apples to oranges.
While I agree with you in terms of performance they're not comparable and that the PCV is typically under utilized and people are just using the maps provided on the PCV websites and not using a wideband sensor or dyno, I disagree on their total comparability. I'm comparing what you get for dollar spent and the PCV just by itself is $350, then you have to buy the wideband sensor, or at least dyno it (more money). With the DHM CAM and Reflash package ($150) you get sooo much more performance for your money spent. That's my point. Thanks for commenting brother, cheers!
@@CTGromer If you wanted to make a comparison for the PCV and mods from DHM, you should have just swapped out the reflashed ecu without the cam, or paired the Tbolt cam with the PCV and test against the DHM / cam combo.
@@robertmrozek3067 The problem is I'd have to pay more to get the PCV tuned for the TB CAM, and I didn't want to do that. Again, my comparison is on price of the two packages vs power gained.
Hey, no I didn't. Seems the same in that regard, a couple others have commented that its some sort of decompression mechanism to aid in starting, however, it starts just the same as it did before with the new performance CAM. Thanks for commenting!
Hi Daniel, thanks for the video, I have the same combo on order now. Wanted to ask, is it necessary to pull the rocker arm pins out or can the rocker arm adjustments just be backed out to get the cam out and new one back in? Keep up the good work!
You forgot to (mention) to tension timing chain. Oops. Anyway nice video to look at and learn about my recently acquired MSX125sf. Anyway I will probably never notice the difference between stock and a similar upgrade. As I will probably have all parts on my doorstep before passing the break in period.....
Yes, I think I did! Thanks for bring that up! you definitely should tighten it back up when you're done with everything. I did, for some reason just didn't video it--good catch, thanks!
@@CTGromer You're welcome. I suggest it should be an easy edit with just some text comment in the video. Would not like to see anyone, overlooking and just eager to start the bike!
Anyway I have a CAM on the way. But will not make this mistake. And ty a zip tie to the chain before removing the sprocket. I also ordered a Bluetooth programmable ECU from Japan. Showing me all data on the fly, and includes map changes, bike locking and map modifying on the fly. Apart from real time data. And all on my mobile. With some luck I could pass emissions tests in the future just installing original exhaust, a flow restrictor (just a small temporary small disk in air intake) and a toggle in the app. Just have a look at the APIECM app in PlayStore. Couldn't find any information as it is probably not available in our alphabet. Like to hear your reaction after checking app. For now it is mainly studying on how to fine tune a good mapping. What would your best suggestion be where to start? I do have a broad technical background but am a newbie on fine tuning ECU maps.
very informative, interesting and entertaining video! beginner question though - do you think each of your mods (exhaust, intake, ECU/CAM) and respective name brands would work on pretty much any 125cc bike/scooter? thx...
I'm not sure, I can only speak to the groms, but you can check each of the manufactures and see what specific models they make these parts for. If you're asking will all these exact grom aftermarket parts bolt right up to any 125cc bike? No, they won't. They're not universal parts.
Just FYI you didn't mark on the cam chain where TDC was, you also didn't put the TB adjusters on your rocker arms as the stock ones are not long enough.
Superb video, subscribed! Hows the bike and new cam doing? Im wanting to pull the trigger already but wondering about reliability. 10k redline for reals? Question: have you tried the kitaco clutch cover which removes the oil spinner?
Hey, thanks for watching and commenting! The bike runs perfect with the CAM and ECU reflash still almost 2,500 miles later. The reliability is there man, just keep fresh oil in it and check your valves here and there, yes, DHMotoring sets the ECU to rev to 10,500 rpm, when you bang limiter it sounds amazing! Yes, I do have the Kitaco Clutch cover installed, I love it. Makes the engine rev to limiter faster for sure due to less rotating mass. It also makes you feel better to know that your oil is going through an actual oil filter too.
It all sound good but I have a Stock Grom with a Zoom S exhaust Chimera throttle tube. Im 5'8 192 lbs and have hit 68 mph. So for the money I would just keep the From for my stunts. Ill ave the "speed stuff" for my big bikes. Im just saying the Grom is a great little bike. But its a 125 at the end of the day. You can spend a lot of money on some hoopla that might get you a "little faster" But its not like gonna add another 10, 15 or even 20mph faster. So I would say save your money and enjoy the little bike for what it is Just my opinion. Enjoy your Grom
Thanks for commenting and sharing your insight! I fully agree that for all of the money spent on these groms, the difference is negligible. I'm not hear to give that opinion, all I'm trying to do is demonstrate what these products can do for the grom, that's all. I actually showed a modded up grom vs a completely stock grom in my latest video, go check it out: czcams.com/video/tn8uK82MCAM/video.html
DH Motoring did not say if there was or wasn't, but I just rode it like normal, which is pretty much wide open everywhere. Everything has been good 3,000 miles later! Good question, thanks for commenting.
When he fits the new cam the cam tap it's super lose. Meaning there is a bigger gap between the tap it and cam lub. Now I would say the valves are not opening and closing for so long now. Meaning your not getting so much petrol or exhaust gas in or out. I just if it would have be a whole lot better if he had just fitted the new reflashed ecu. Please do leave any comments on this. Just wondering what you guys think 🤔
That's an interesting way to look at it, thought I'm not sure if its right or not. I think its more about optimized timing when the engine is spinning really fast. I can tell you theres a guy in our group with the exact same mod set as me except I have the CAM and he doesn't and my grom is significantly faster. Definitely a good point and food for thought though. Thanks for commenting!
Thanks for video I just finished intake and want to get a yoshi pipe next! I prolly won’t change the cam. Do I still need reflash? Your videos are having me lean more towards the re-flash.
Definitely a re-flash is needed, the cheapest one by far is DHmotoring, hit him up and he'll send you one. This insures you're not running to lean with the addition of intake and exhaust. So glad you're finding value, thanks for watching!
CT Gromer your videos are great! Keep up the good work! You should keep making how to videos the quality of your content is so good! How to change oil lol I’m almost at 600 miles
@@Tac.Outdoors I've thought about doing that! I may just have to do a little content creation "how to" on common grom maintenance! I appreciate the advice, and the kind words!
Did you notice any changes to the MPG? Just wondering if going this route will make a significant decrease in MPG. As much as I want a bit more performance, I love the MPG, as I use mine as my daily commuter pretty much May-October. The MPG was a big factor for me in getting a Grom.
I agree, but its SOOO much more money than just reflashing the ECU for the mods you have. That being said, if you have the money, nothing beats the wide ban sensor. My channel tends to speak more to budget, than top of the line though. Thanks for commenting!
Hi Daniel thanks for the video it’s very informative. I’m brand new to this Grom thing with a 2022 model. I have a Vance & Hines exhaust coming also with an air box from TST. I wanted to know if the Cam and ECU reflash can work for me like yours? Much love stay safe.
Hii there. Good video am getting my first grom. Im from Barbados I think I saw one Honda grom here which was very nice to see. I fall in love with the Honda grom first time I saw the bike. Am looking to put a 143 big bot kit. Question for you is it better to get the (ecu) reflash to get the performance you got with ur Honda grom.?
I really try to man, I like to interact with my audience and try to provide support or honest feedback to honest questions please have. :) Thanks for commenting!
Yo CT: Just watched your video again for the 5th time. LOL Does your Grom have any bottom end for wheelys and some Off Road Action with the cam and reflash? One more question. My clutch seems to be really weak. Did you do any clutch work to yours? Waiting for my hip to heal up and I'm heading to the Burg and ride your posse!!! LOL
Thanks for keeping my views numbers up this month! These are good questions, my Grom does have just enough bottom end for wheelies and light offroading, but since removing the oil spinner and adding the performance CAM, I've really lost a significant amount of low-end torque, but what I've lost down low I've gained a lot of at 7,000RPM and up! To answer your question about clutch- YES. My clutch does slip quite a bit, especially when attempting to pop the front tire off the ground. I've actually decided i'm going to order 30% stiffer clutch springs, and a Chimera Clutch Plate. Let's ride!
Thats a great question. I would say yes, but make sure DHM knew you would be running higher octane fuel so that he could make the adjustment, if an adjustment needed to be made. I honestly don't know enough about it to say!
Because the upgraded injector will still only provide as much fuel as the ECU tells it to. Plus the ignition timing needs to be changed slightly as well to deal with the upgraded CAM--reflash is a must on this.
I used one of the optional pre-made maps for the grom when I compared the two setups, the map I used was setup exactly like my grom was. My point is that for only $150 you can have a tune AND a performance CAM instead of $350 just for a tuner. Thanks for commenting!
Unfortunately I think you need a bigger engine then, or a bigger bike! Remember in stock condition she's only got 8 HP! I'd say sprocket up in the front and drop some teeth in the rear, but the grom doesnt have the power or torque pull the taller gearing effectively in fourth if you do that.
@@CTGromer thankfully I only weigh 145 lb. It already has a exhaust and I'm trying to install bazzaz tuner! Which is being a real pain in the ass. The seller said they had a power commander The next day they had given me that tuner and it's awful. Power Commander is a simple plugin and play where this is not. Anyways if I must do upgrades. I will. Until then I bought a 16 tooth front sprocket and a 31 tooth rear sprocket. And we'll go from there.
Since I'm looking way down the road and not only watching what's happening right in front of me, I'm always planning for that scenario. Always good to think like that though!
@@CTGromer I got everything installed. I didn't notice any loss low end but definitely a flat spot in the mid range. Hi range has great punch now. I still have plenty of power for city cruising but I think this cam is going to really help for long runs at 55-60.
Two questions A how many miles on it now and how’s it running? B did you have to do anything else after the cam and ecu? Or can I just order and install the cam and ecu and leave it alone,
Now have over 5,000 miles on the clock with zero issues. I would suggest just doing the CAM and ECU install if you already have intake and exhaust. That gain alone was enough.
Can you post a video or recommend one on how you did the valve adjustment? The only thing you didn't show! Any comments about the reliability since install and how many miles you've run it for? Good increases, but not if it's going to do a ton of damage to the motor in the end :/
for valve adjustment, go here: czcams.com/video/zbNngFAu3J8/video.html and go to 8:26. I've has zero reliability issues and currently have 2,700 miles on it since the CAM install. Still runs great!
it might help some, but its not worth the money. Its cheaper to also add the full intake and just reflash the ECU. But it also depends, are you going to continue to mod all the way up to BBK? If so, the PCV is better because you can constantly retune it yourself with wideband.
FYI: In a recent speedrun after filming this video, I achieved 72MPH speedo indicated - stock gearing with CAM and ECU Reflash Combo!
What is your RPM around 60MPH?
@@toolshedjunky Approximately 7900RPM
@Micky Damon hahaha, I wish I got paid to make youtube videos. You want me to send you a speed run tomorrow? Send me your instagram I'll DM you.
@Derek Frampton PaPa-D almost!
why you dont install the Koso 4 valve cylinder head to the groom?
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After watching many videos of people taking these little bikes on and off road and seeing their toughness and versatility, i'm literally falling in love with the Grom. Great video by the way!
Krono Mikon man I totally agree they’re an awesome bike!! One of the best purchases I’ve ever made! Thanks a lot of the kind words!
The reason youre probably experiencing the "lag" at lower end is one because that cam you put in one is made for mid to top end pull which is why that ecm is raised to 10k rpm's (so you can benefit from 6-10k in the rev range) which is basically replacing the low end power for top end in a similar way that gearing does (and some bottom end could be gained back with a gearing change) and two because that decomp was giving rotating mass and a heavier rotating mass helps with bottom end (and could be gained back through the use of a heavier flywheel or clutch basket). As someone who has always wanted a grom but cant because i live in a small town that id have to ride highways (atleast 30 minutes) to get anywhere so i thought that a grom was just a dream and id keep riding big bikes, but this has changed my mind. I also didnt want to bore or stroke a grom because i dont have a case puller to pull a bottom end and i didnt want to lose reliability with a big bore. This seems like a viable option that doesnt kill the bank
I agree with you completely. It makes sense that I'm really feeling the bog, because I removed my oil spinner as well, which contributes a significant amount of rotating mass. It really does pull on the top end now though. Just depends on how you want to set your grom up. I appreciate your informative response!
Would putting a 14tooth sprocket up front help with the low end with the rest of these mods ?
Hi mate. My cam and reflashed ecu arrived from the USA. I've had the Chimera air intake for a while but wanted to wait for the cam and ecu. Big thanks CT.
Regards from Western Australia 🇦🇺
Congrats! Prepare to go fast!
Turns out David from DHM lives a few minutes from me. After watching your vid I ordered the cam and ECU. Then we met up and he flashed my ecu while on the bike and handed me the cam. Installing today and stoked! Thanks for the vid.
DUUUUDE thats awesome! Thanks so much for sharing this, David's customer service sounds outstanding. You're going to love the combo, let me know what you think!
CT Gromer holy-e crap. Just let it warm up and went for a rip. This is by far the best 153 dollars you can spend on a grom. I’m about 180 lbs and 7-rev limiter is now a blast. Already let David know I was really happy.
James Bailey YES!!!! Isn’t it insane?! Enjoy man!! It will continue to get a little better as the ECU learns more. Mine seemed to get better until about 50 miles on the new ECU. So happy that you’re happy bud!
Dude. Thanks. I am doing this for sure. I’ve got the intake and exhaust and have been on the fence on which ECU. But for 150 bucks cam and ecu that’s a done deal!
Thanks for commenting man, I really think you'll like it. I was really impressed with the boost I got, was not expecting it to be that significant! Let me know what you think!
JEEZ THAT GROM FLEW AFTER IT KICKED IN . Standard grooms would NEVER PULL UP THE REVS LIKE THAT. THANKS FOR SHARING BUDDY SCOOBS UK.
Heyyy thanks for commenting! Glad you enjoyed the video, new content coming soon!
V-Tech kicked in yo!
Great video, I currently own a 2020 Goldwing and a 2019 Super Cub. I’ve really started to enjoy small bikes, thinking of adding a Grom to my garage. The videos are awesome and give me plenty of ideas, keep up the good work 👍
I really appreciate the compliment on the channel, and I'm glad you're enjoying the content! I'll bet the Super Cub is fun, and if you're really liking it, you'll love the grom!
Hi Daniel! Thanks for meticulous approach to testing. Interesting that with adding more RPMs (10000) and power on top end the Top Speed remains the same and even less than without kit.
Oh wow you break in cams the same way I do!
Grip & Grip! Is there any other way?? Haha!
Oh hell yeah! Nice video once again. This is what I'll be doing to my Grom for sure. I thought it sounded great once i moded my air box but this is outrageous!
I love my Grom more than any previous bike I've owned. So good around town and a shit ton of fun to work on. Every time I ride it I feel like I'm getting away with something. :)
It's got over 15000 kms (9300 miles) on it so it needs some love and this is just the thing.
Thanks mate!.
RC Details ahhhhh man I love hearing about guys like you that ride the sh*t out of their groms and just enjoy them to the fullest! We really are getting away with something! Best money I ever spent! Glad the content was helpful! Keep grommin!
CT Gromer you’re fu*king awesome man! You basically tried all the things I’ve thought about doing to my GROM. I actually have a Yoshi in route to my house as we speak as well as a Short Dinger intake and I am definitely sending my ECU out to DHM now. Thanks for making your videos dood!
Dude you're going to love the results! That's awesome, glad you're finding value in the channel!
I just installed my intake combined with Yoshimura exhaust. I've been waiting on my cam and ecu for about a week now! Im excited for it to show up, only one more week. I just put a video up on my channel about the intake. Thanks for the awesome review
Hey thanks for commenting! Just watched the video you put up, it's great man, keep them coming! We need more good content creators! Wait until you install the CAM and reflashed ECU. the difference is crazy!
you are the only dude to break down and do math on everything exactly how i do it. just found your channel
Exactly!! Very helpful videos for sure
I'm very happy you found value, thank you for watching and commenting!
@@TimmyTints Thank you for commenting and watching!
@@CTGromer i just blew my super 125 up and im going stunt with a cam and DHM ECU the finbro is the fucking worst! NEVER BUY IT
bigger injector holes+ port n polish+ double (inner with outer)valve spring + 14/36 sprocket ratio. 👌🏼👌🏼
Thats the next stage for sure! Is that what you have done on yours?? Thanks for commenting!
Do they not already have inner+outer springs? Had a Chinese Honda clone with them
Awesome video! I just picked up a 2024 and have been debating what I want to do to it, this helped so much
I installed Platinum Klx bars yesterday, dingerbuilt mid intake, dh motoring cam and reflash coming next week! 14t/35t sprocket setup it's GONNA BE PEPPY
Gonna be real peppy! Let me know how it all comes out! Thanks for commenting!
My bad guys I forgot to respond on here, but yes it is noticeablyfaster I have topped out at 77 miles an hour I am 6'2 215lbs, it pulls way harder 1st through 3rd above 7000 RPMs it just opens up
@@grombomb1363 Glad you've had good results! You loving it??
I sure am. Wish I could post a pic on here
Update, if you want to see my bike and how it sounds I posted a video of it on my channel just so yall could see
Waiting for my parts to do exactly this. I'm very excited now.
Sweet, you wont be sorry, the Stage 2 kit is definitely the best bang for your buck!
When you feel the lag at low rpm, that's a bargain with high duration/high lift aftermarket cam, you can cope it a little bit by raising your compression ratio
I have a wave110, with high lift & duration cam, it did a little bog at the low end, but at mid & high, it pulls like crazy
Camshaft literally shaping the character of your engine
I feel the same way, it more than makes up for the low-end bog with its crazy mid-high range power now! Not to mention the amazing sound now! Thanks for commenting!
@@CTGromer do you have any information about the duration of camshaft?
Because if it's too large, peak power is beyond your ecu limiter
@@rmdhndwi To be honest I don't. I trust that DH Motoring knows what he's doing. So far, everything is going great. The package he sent me contains an ECU that has been flashed to compensate for the CAM he sent.
@@rmdhndwi ECU flash has raised rev limiter
great to have exact speed runs, costs of kits, and the ability and time to do it!!!
Good stuff man I love the intro! Video quality is👌🏻
I really appreciate it brother, thanks for taking the time!
lol the engine literally hasn't changed in 40 years i just rebuilt a 1980 atc 110 and the engine is literally the same
That's exactly right! My old Trail90 taught me how to work on the Grom platform. They're tried and true outstanding engines! Thanks for commenting!
1BlackopsGuru That’s good. Use grom injection on an Atc. Would be cool
@@obs.vanness1604 would be really cool if you could engine swap one of these into an old Honda ATC or Trail90!
And now they introduced a CT 125...
man yet again with a banger💪🏾🔥🔥
I appreciate it brother!
Thanks for the tips, I'll definitely be going the re-flash route.
Glad you found value, thank you for watching! Relfash is cheapest route to fix your AFR!
And I love it... Will be dropping a mid range stage 1 cam in my bike...
Good luck!
This video gets me excited, I ordered the dhm stage 3 kit for my grom, cam and high compression piston with ecu flash, now I can’t wait for that video you’re planning!
That's awesome man, I'm in the process of breaking in the new piston before I do the speedrun... I can already tell its got more power!
CT Gromer dhm include instructions on the break in for the piston?
That's awesome. I'm planning to buy a grom this weekend and I'm looking for the best way to get 70+mph out of the bike. It's only a few miles on the highway to work but I want to be able to keep up with traffic. Thanks for the video man. You got a new sub' I'll be watching all your content from now on.
good luck getting 70 unless youre going downhill
Thanks so much for subbing and commenting! good luck picking up a grom! You wont regret it. Keeping gearing stock, intake, quality exhaust and Reflash ECU (look into DH Motoring) will get you to 70mph. Adding the CAM will help even more!
Cool review mate!
Ride safe and enjoy the bike life🤙
AeroR Thank you brother, thank you for commenting!
You just saved me the money and the time. Thank you. Subbed - Houston TX
That's what I'm here for--thanks for taking the time to watch and drop a nice comment! Most importantly, thank you so much for subbing!
Nice video! Wanted to point out that DHM is just a reseller though - the ECU is flashed by Cameron Jones Racing and the cam is from TBoltUSA.
Well I'm glad he found a niche and is making money! I appreciate the info though, didn't know that.
Upgraded clutch springs will help 🤟🏽
I need to do those, a lot of my friends have them, especially the stunters, thanks for commenting!
I just got a new grom today and I got say, you've given me alot of ideas for mine
Hey congrats on the new grom! I'm glad you're enjoying the channel, that is my intent!
nice tip regarding the gas pump
Thanks buddy, heard another guy say it once, made sense to me! Thanks for commenting!
Another Awesome Video Dan!
I appreciate it! I'll keep them coming, the Grom is getting faster and faster!
Subbed. Great grom video. Keep them coming.
Bandy awesome! I appreciate the sub and comment! Thank you, keep watching!
Wow! Nice video! Idk why this came up in my recommendation box. But, it was cool.
Well I'm very glad you took the time to watch something you weren't looking for, and enjoyed it! Thank you for commenting!
Do you need the cam with the reflashed ecu?? What kind of handle bars do you have?? Your videos are awesome!! Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for commenting! YES! I should've clarified this in the video better, ECU-Reflash is mandatory with the new CAM, my bars are KLX110 ProTaper SE Bars, with a red EBay "Honda" pad cover. I appreciate all the kind words, I'll keep producing content!
We can reflash the ecu for intake and exhaust only if you don’t have a cam
@@DHMotoring How much does that cost??
Franks N Beanz $105 includes return shipping of your ecu to you
Just installed a 57mm bore kit (148cc) for $25, added a 28mm exhaust system ($25) and have a performance cam ($25) and bigger injector ($15) on order. After everything is installed and running smoothly, I'll get an ECU remap done in a parking lot at a local shopping mall by a freelance Honda technician for about $17 bucks. Yes, things are inexpensive where I live...and I own the MSX, not a "Grom". I hope I'll be done with my major MSX projects.
Pics and receipts or it didn't happen! I have a hard time believing those price points
Great video, and thank you - but the "T" means Top Dead Center, not "time". And, not to be irritating, the "Ch" is pronounced like a "K" in Chimera
Man, you're right, I always get the "T" confused with "timing mark" instead of top dead center, my bad for saying that. aaaand you're not the first to say that about the Ki-mera intake... thank you for commenting!
I'm very interested in the cam package, but I do also like the 186cc kit.....hmmm I can't decide dammit I have too many projects.....thanks for your review.
Why not both?! Can't go wrong either way, if it were me I'd start with the CAM and Reflash. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Just ordered mine can't wait!!
You stated the reason why I don't get a cam. I'm not willing to give up low rpm torque in exchange for high rpm horsepower. For performance guys who want to race around all the time it's the perfect solution. But not so practical for regular daily transportation guys who always ride between 3,500 and 6,000 rpm. For most riders it's a great product and the price is right. : )
That's true you do lose some. But when I'm riding the grom in town I find myself at pegged throttle a lot of the time, so it definitely helps get you up to speed when you need it!
@@CTGromer My riding style is completely different. I rarely peg the throttle and the engine is almost always between 3,500 and 6,000 rpm. With such a small bike and a tiny engine, weight becomes a major performance factor. I weigh 138 and my Grom is lightened down to 214 pounds. I just ordered a lightweight all aluminum rear swing arm to make it even lighter. Cams are just fine if you need to spool up the engine. That's what they're designed to do.
Insane! 40mph!
T for time? Thought it was Top dead centre 😂
It is! I get a little silly sometimes when I'm recording! Good catch!
what is the F for? mine has a T and an F mark
aaron estrada it’s a firing mark. It’s when the spark plug actually fires
Great video man!! Keep up the great work👍👍
JR's Tints I very much appreciate it, thank you for commenting!
Just found your channel. Great video. Going to try this on my Grom. Liked and Subbed
ichibangrom thank you for the kind words brother! Really means a lot, I’m truly glad that you’re finding value in the videos, I will keep them coming!
Much love from the Central Valley!! I’m subscribing for sure!!!
Means the world! Thanks for the sub and the comment!
Harley Moore where in Central Valley are you from?
CT Gromer I’m in Fresno. I’m actually looking to get my first bike by October. Thinking heavily on getting a Grom.
Harley Moore that’s awesome!!! Well there’s a good size squad of us you can ride with anytime- especially if you get s Grom!
CT Gromer hell yea bro! I found you on IG I look forward to it!
I don't know about this bike but in every other motor I've worked on "T" stands for "Top" as in "Top Dead Center".
Thats what it means here too, I just said "timing" which is incorrect, thanks for commenting, good catch.
You guys are missing the point of the PCV. It affords you the ability to make changes to the bike, and only pay for the ecu once. If you are content with just the stuff you've done, then by all means, reflash your ecu. But it's like a drug, once you start, you're hooked. The power commander (at least on my last two liter bikes) also had expandability for a/f and other stuff.
You're right, and I try to make that point clear in some of my other videos. If you are going to CONTINUE to mod your bike, BBK, etc. then the PCV has the expand-ability and the customization potential to make it the better choice. For most people on here that are just doing bolt ons and staying stock bore, the ECU flash is the cheapest and safest option. Thanks for the comment!
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Brother BTW CZcams is screwing with you a little bit- I got hit with a dialog box as soon as I clicked on this video saying "Tell us what your biggest problem with this channel is" (!!) and had a list of answers below like misleading this or spam that etc. Up top was some header saying "clickbait channels", or something close to that. I wish I had snapped a pic. Anyway if you're monetized, keep it in mind and consider what you can do to be proactive and avoid getting hosed by the YT Police. Stoked to hear what's up with the cam and ECU upgrades though so I'm shutting up now.
Good lookin out brother, I have not idea what that's about! I'm going to look into it though. No, I'm not monetizing at this point, maybe in the future, so I wonder why you were shown these options? I wonder how many others have seen it?? Click bait channel? Thats a little insulting YT!
Woah that thing just pulled harder than my step son
I don’t think that made sense 🤣🤣🤣
Also I’m a guy, and I’m 16, and I’m not married, and I don’t have a step son, and I’m not gay
All good info bud, thanks, haha!
CT Gromer lmaoooo thanks lol
I like it here in Thailand no one pump with Multi Grades of Fuel!
I run 91 as it is........🤪
Ive got a 2021 (2022 USA) Grom w/ TST coverplate Sprint Air Filter, Zoom Brute Exhaust and DHM S1 v2 cam
ive got the High Compression Piston Kit but I'm kind of on the fence about installing it as Ive seen/heard mixed
reviews about the durability of it.....
Comparing the power commander to a package that includes a cam is kind of unfair. A power commander is only as good as the tune that gets put on it. It's really designed to allow for unlimited tuning (like on a dyno) and is very often underutilized.
Not saying the flash and cam isn't sweet it's just comparing apples to oranges.
While I agree with you in terms of performance they're not comparable and that the PCV is typically under utilized and people are just using the maps provided on the PCV websites and not using a wideband sensor or dyno, I disagree on their total comparability. I'm comparing what you get for dollar spent and the PCV just by itself is $350, then you have to buy the wideband sensor, or at least dyno it (more money). With the DHM CAM and Reflash package ($150) you get sooo much more performance for your money spent. That's my point. Thanks for commenting brother, cheers!
@@CTGromer If you wanted to make a comparison for the PCV and mods from DHM, you should have just swapped out the reflashed ecu without the cam, or paired the Tbolt cam with the PCV and test against the DHM / cam combo.
@@robertmrozek3067 The problem is I'd have to pay more to get the PCV tuned for the TB CAM, and I didn't want to do that. Again, my comparison is on price of the two packages vs power gained.
Pretty sure that weight is a balancer. Did you notice the engine becoming more vibey afterwards?
Hey, no I didn't. Seems the same in that regard, a couple others have commented that its some sort of decompression mechanism to aid in starting, however, it starts just the same as it did before with the new performance CAM. Thanks for commenting!
change to adjustable timing gear then dial camshaft please & show us the differrences before & after camshaft dial.
I've never done that and am unfamiliar with that procedure. I would need to do some research!
Hi Daniel, thanks for the video, I have the same combo on order now. Wanted to ask, is it necessary to pull the rocker arm pins out or can the rocker arm adjustments just be backed out to get the cam out and new one back in? Keep up the good work!
Keep pushing fire videos broda, love the content
xXRAVERBROSXx Raver comments like this mean a lot, thank you! I’ll keep producing!
You forgot to (mention) to tension timing chain. Oops. Anyway nice video to look at and learn about my recently acquired MSX125sf. Anyway I will probably never notice the difference between stock and a similar upgrade. As I will probably have all parts on my doorstep before passing the break in period.....
Yes, I think I did! Thanks for bring that up! you definitely should tighten it back up when you're done with everything. I did, for some reason just didn't video it--good catch, thanks!
@@CTGromer You're welcome. I suggest it should be an easy edit with just some text comment in the video. Would not like to see anyone, overlooking and just eager to start the bike!
Surprising that none of the 68+k viewers has mentioned this.
Anyway I have a CAM on the way. But will not make this mistake. And ty a zip tie to the chain before removing the sprocket. I also ordered a Bluetooth programmable ECU from Japan. Showing me all data on the fly, and includes map changes, bike locking and map modifying on the fly. Apart from real time data. And all on my mobile. With some luck I could pass emissions tests in the future just installing original exhaust, a flow restrictor (just a small temporary small disk in air intake) and a toggle in the app. Just have a look at the APIECM app in PlayStore. Couldn't find any information as it is probably not available in our alphabet. Like to hear your reaction after checking app.
For now it is mainly studying on how to fine tune a good mapping. What would your best suggestion be where to start? I do have a broad technical background but am a newbie on fine tuning ECU maps.
@@henriwolbrink they may be skipping through install to see the review/performance.
Don't forget to tighten the cam tensioner!
Check! Guess I just didn't picture it! good call!
@@CTGromer was sure you did. Just didn't want others to forget. Great video! Thanks!
very informative, interesting and entertaining video! beginner question though - do you think each of your mods (exhaust, intake, ECU/CAM) and respective name brands would work on pretty much any 125cc bike/scooter? thx...
I'm not sure, I can only speak to the groms, but you can check each of the manufactures and see what specific models they make these parts for. If you're asking will all these exact grom aftermarket parts bolt right up to any 125cc bike? No, they won't. They're not universal parts.
Just FYI you didn't mark on the cam chain where TDC was, you also didn't put the TB adjusters on your rocker arms as the stock ones are not long enough.
True, I didn't do either of those, but everything is working fine 3,000 miles later!
next time put the sprocket bolt back into the cam so you can pull on that instead, the weight thing on the cam is a form of variable valve timing
Really? I thought it was some sort of decompression for starting. Putting the bolt back on the CAM is a good idea, thanks!
NO ! That's not a variable valve timing !
That's a decompression mechanism, many small bikes use it
Superb video, subscribed! Hows the bike and new cam doing? Im wanting to pull the trigger already but wondering about reliability. 10k redline for reals?
Question: have you tried the kitaco clutch cover which removes the oil spinner?
Hey, thanks for watching and commenting! The bike runs perfect with the CAM and ECU reflash still almost 2,500 miles later. The reliability is there man, just keep fresh oil in it and check your valves here and there, yes, DHMotoring sets the ECU to rev to 10,500 rpm, when you bang limiter it sounds amazing! Yes, I do have the Kitaco Clutch cover installed, I love it. Makes the engine rev to limiter faster for sure due to less rotating mass. It also makes you feel better to know that your oil is going through an actual oil filter too.
It all sound good but I have a Stock Grom with a Zoom S exhaust Chimera throttle tube.
Im 5'8 192 lbs and have hit 68 mph. So for the money I would just keep the From for my stunts. Ill ave the "speed stuff" for my big bikes.
Im just saying the Grom is a great little bike. But its a 125 at the end of the day.
You can spend a lot of money on some hoopla that might get you a "little faster"
But its not like gonna add another 10, 15 or even 20mph faster. So I would say save your money and enjoy the little bike for what it is
Just my opinion.
Enjoy your Grom
Thanks for commenting and sharing your insight! I fully agree that for all of the money spent on these groms, the difference is negligible. I'm not hear to give that opinion, all I'm trying to do is demonstrate what these products can do for the grom, that's all. I actually showed a modded up grom vs a completely stock grom in my latest video, go check it out: czcams.com/video/tn8uK82MCAM/video.html
Was there a cam break in/rev burn in for the new cam? Oil change after said number of miles?
DH Motoring did not say if there was or wasn't, but I just rode it like normal, which is pretty much wide open everywhere. Everything has been good 3,000 miles later! Good question, thanks for commenting.
add this two mods 150cc injector ,
Intake and your top speed will go up to 75-80mph
AMEEN WAHAL will that work on the sf
Yes , but just make sure to get ecu for sf , so you don’t have to change some wires
Liam Bignell go check my friend video
czcams.com/video/56XAjzwo9ZI/video.html
for sure it will! I need to do the bigger injector next, thanks for the advice!
Great video bro!!
Thank you so much, I appreciate the compliment and comment!
When he fits the new cam the cam tap it's super lose. Meaning there is a bigger gap between the tap it and cam lub. Now I would say the valves are not opening and closing for so long now. Meaning your not getting so much petrol or exhaust gas in or out. I just if it would have be a whole lot better if he had just fitted the new reflashed ecu. Please do leave any comments on this. Just wondering what you guys think 🤔
That's an interesting way to look at it, thought I'm not sure if its right or not. I think its more about optimized timing when the engine is spinning really fast. I can tell you theres a guy in our group with the exact same mod set as me except I have the CAM and he doesn't and my grom is significantly faster. Definitely a good point and food for thought though. Thanks for commenting!
Hoping to install the cams and ecu soon also!
You won't be disappointed. In fact, in a recent speedrun (after filming this video) I hit 72 MPH on the speedo-stock gearing!
@@CTGromer nice! Ive heard the Reflash does Wonders! Will be needing since i sometimes go on freeways haha
No worth it imo I wasted my money with these mods a grom will always be a slow bike
Thanks so much, man!
Hey thank YOU for watching and commenting!
Thanks for video I just finished intake and want to get a yoshi pipe next! I prolly won’t change the cam. Do I still need reflash? Your videos are having me lean more towards the re-flash.
Definitely a re-flash is needed, the cheapest one by far is DHmotoring, hit him up and he'll send you one. This insures you're not running to lean with the addition of intake and exhaust. So glad you're finding value, thanks for watching!
CT Gromer your videos are great! Keep up the good work! You should keep making how to videos the quality of your content is so good! How to change oil lol I’m almost at 600 miles
@@Tac.Outdoors I've thought about doing that! I may just have to do a little content creation "how to" on common grom maintenance! I appreciate the advice, and the kind words!
CT Gromer i recommend it you have great content !
Great video CT! Trying to sell my dirtbike so I can get two Groms for my wife and I😎
Tanner That’s an awesome idea! Does your wife ride already? If so, great bonding!
She does not currently ride. Her getting a Grom too was part of the terms of allowing me to get a street legal bike.
Bike is sold! Driving to Oklahoma next weekend to look at two 2015s🤞🏼
@@tanner4366 Sooooo happy for you and your wife bro! I like the deal you made with her though, you guys will love them! Let me know if you pick em up!
Will do for sure👍🏼she’s already looking at helmets and riding gear so I know she’s just as excited as I am
Could you potentially compensate for the loss in low-end performance with a different sized sprocket? Love the video!
You definitely can, and in later videos you'll see that I installed a 14T sprocket and it helped significantly!
I would've put a dab of paint on the TDC portion of the chain so you aren't off a tooth.
Never thought of that, thanks for the good advice!
Did you notice any changes to the MPG? Just wondering if going this route will make a significant decrease in MPG. As much as I want a bit more performance, I love the MPG, as I use mine as my daily commuter pretty much May-October. The MPG was a big factor for me in getting a Grom.
I'm pinned a lot of the time, and I seem to get just 100MPG on the button. So, not a significant amount of decrease in mileage.
@@CTGromer thanks for the response!
You should upgrade your sprockets and see then. You make great videos keep it up
Hello I’m orange I may drop one in the front- if I do I’ll let you know! Thanks for commenting!
Is it still easy to pop and ride wheelies with these mods? I had dhm flash my ecm and got some good results.
Hey thanks for commenting! Yes, wheelies are still very attainable.
You can do sit downs in third lmao
You need a wide ban tuner with the power commander.
I agree, but its SOOO much more money than just reflashing the ECU for the mods you have. That being said, if you have the money, nothing beats the wide ban sensor. My channel tends to speak more to budget, than top of the line though. Thanks for commenting!
Hi Daniel thanks for the video it’s very informative. I’m brand new to this Grom thing with a 2022 model. I have a Vance & Hines exhaust coming also with an air box from TST. I wanted to know if the Cam and ECU reflash can work for me like yours? Much love stay safe.
Hii there. Good video am getting my first grom. Im from Barbados I think I saw one Honda grom here which was very nice to see. I fall in love with the Honda grom first time I saw the bike. Am looking to put a 143 big bot kit. Question for you is it better to get the (ecu) reflash to get the performance you got with ur Honda grom.?
Wow you reply to alot/most if not all comments.
I really try to man, I like to interact with my audience and try to provide support or honest feedback to honest questions please have. :) Thanks for commenting!
Yo CT: Just watched your video again for the 5th time. LOL Does your Grom have any bottom end for wheelys and some Off Road Action with the cam and reflash? One more question. My clutch seems to be really weak. Did you do any clutch work to yours? Waiting for my hip to heal up and I'm heading to the Burg and ride your posse!!! LOL
Thanks for keeping my views numbers up this month! These are good questions, my Grom does have just enough bottom end for wheelies and light offroading, but since removing the oil spinner and adding the performance CAM, I've really lost a significant amount of low-end torque, but what I've lost down low I've gained a lot of at 7,000RPM and up! To answer your question about clutch- YES. My clutch does slip quite a bit, especially when attempting to pop the front tire off the ground. I've actually decided i'm going to order 30% stiffer clutch springs, and a Chimera Clutch Plate. Let's ride!
@@CTGromer My clutch is stock. WEAK!!!! Im in the middle of a move. When Im done Ill let you know and we will ride Bro!!!
Would this package work for people in the UK as the feul here is 95 octane or 99?
Thats a great question. I would say yes, but make sure DHM knew you would be running higher octane fuel so that he could make the adjustment, if an adjustment needed to be made. I honestly don't know enough about it to say!
UK uses different numbers for the same octane fuel in the US. For example 95 RON (UK) is the same exact fuel as 91 PON (US)
Why not just install a higher flow injector and keep the oem tune?
Because the upgraded injector will still only provide as much fuel as the ECU tells it to. Plus the ignition timing needs to be changed slightly as well to deal with the upgraded CAM--reflash is a must on this.
Does it affect ability to wheelie with the lower end cut down
No, not significantly. Especially if you're giving it a good rev and popping the clutch, thanks for commenting!
Get the grom tuned wit the power commander and maybe it would run like champ I got the 3 on my ltr 450 an she rips
I used one of the optional pre-made maps for the grom when I compared the two setups, the map I used was setup exactly like my grom was. My point is that for only $150 you can have a tune AND a performance CAM instead of $350 just for a tuner. Thanks for commenting!
T is for tdc,F is for fire
Thanks for the clarification :) and thanks for watching.
Wish there was any info about the ECU install. I hear you have to reset and everything 😢
Good video bro!
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Can you please make a video comparison of rad house intake vs chimera intake
itsYoBoyJoshy rad house huh? I’ll check it out, thanks for commenting!
All I really want is just the RPMs to be down to six grand or so at Highway cruising speed of 65 mph.
Unfortunately I think you need a bigger engine then, or a bigger bike! Remember in stock condition she's only got 8 HP! I'd say sprocket up in the front and drop some teeth in the rear, but the grom doesnt have the power or torque pull the taller gearing effectively in fourth if you do that.
@@CTGromer thankfully I only weigh 145 lb. It already has a exhaust and I'm trying to install bazzaz tuner! Which is being a real pain in the ass. The seller said they had a power commander The next day they had given me that tuner and it's awful. Power Commander is a simple plugin and play where this is not. Anyways if I must do upgrades. I will. Until then I bought a 16 tooth front sprocket and a 31 tooth rear sprocket. And we'll go from there.
Just curious what you do if a car pulls out in front of you while you're doing 70mph???
Since I'm looking way down the road and not only watching what's happening right in front of me, I'm always planning for that scenario. Always good to think like that though!
I have the cam and reflash coming. I'm worried because I lost some low end with the Koso clutch cover and oil spinner delete.
You'll lose just a tad more with cam and reflash, but you'll more than make up for it after 7,000rpm, you'll see.
@@CTGromer I got everything installed. I didn't notice any loss low end but definitely a flat spot in the mid range. Hi range has great punch now. I still have plenty of power for city cruising but I think this cam is going to really help for long runs at 55-60.
Two questions A how many miles on it now and how’s it running? B did you have to do anything else after the cam and ecu? Or can I just order and install the cam and ecu and leave it alone,
Now have over 5,000 miles on the clock with zero issues. I would suggest just doing the CAM and ECU install if you already have intake and exhaust. That gain alone was enough.
Great video! What valve clearance did you go with?
Set them both to 0.004 Inches, thanks for commenting!
What did you adjust your valves to after the new cam ?
Can you post a video or recommend one on how you did the valve adjustment? The only thing you didn't show! Any comments about the reliability since install and how many miles you've run it for? Good increases, but not if it's going to do a ton of damage to the motor in the end :/
for valve adjustment, go here: czcams.com/video/zbNngFAu3J8/video.html and go to 8:26. I've has zero reliability issues and currently have 2,700 miles on it since the CAM install. Still runs great!
CT Gromer thanks!!
I have a 2019 grom with Vance and Hines exhaust that’s it will a power commander tune with rev extender make it faster.???
it might help some, but its not worth the money. Its cheaper to also add the full intake and just reflash the ECU. But it also depends, are you going to continue to mod all the way up to BBK? If so, the PCV is better because you can constantly retune it yourself with wideband.
Love your content...just started making videos myself not too long ago
Sweet! I'll have to check them out! Thanks so much for the compliment!
You deserve the compliment bud. You put a lot of work into your vids.
@@WideOpenThrottle Again I appreciate it, I try hard to produce entertaining and information dense content!
Hit me back with a Subscribe bud...everyone helps as you know. I already subd you.