Tesla P100D Ludicrous Testing 0-60 MPH vs Battery State of Charge 10% to 100%
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We test the 0-60 MPH times and power output of a Tesla P100D from just 10% battery all the way up to 100%.
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Suprised it didnt go faster on 10% seeing as it didnt have to carry the weight of all that extra electricity. ;)
Well, let's check how much weight that difference represents:
E=mc2 =>
m = 90kWh/(c2) = 324MJ / (299792458m/s x 299792458m/s) = 3.6 micro grams.
Keep in mind that the sun is losing mass following above Einsteins equation and this mass turns into solar rays of which a tiny percentage hits planet earth and a much smaller percentage ends up generating this electricity.
Some nuclear fusion reaction in the sun millions of years ago --> some solar rays hit the planet earth --> some plants grew --> some animals ate the plant --> the animals died --> dead animals turned into fossil fuel --> we burned it in a power plant --> we made electricity --> we distributed the electricity --> we charged a Tesla car --> we got from 0-60mph in 2.3 seconds :-)
The huge amount of energy hidden in matter is incredible! In fact, a tiny 1 gram of matter equates to about 250,000 Tesla P100D batteries fully charged of energy.
Peter Mortensen You sir took it WAY too far...... and I loved every minute! (although it only took me 22.9 seconds to read it lol)
Awesome.. i was sort of hoping someone would do something like that. By the way, I see you used 90kwh in your calc - the P100D - is 100kwh not sure if you used 90 for some reason or if im misunderstanding the calc :)
I used 90kWh intentionally as you talked about the difference between 10% charge and 100% charge. That difference is 90kWh. A 100kWh battery will weigh about 4 micro grams more when fully charged vs. when not charged. And that's why I said 1 gram of matter equates to 250,000 Tesla P100D batteries (1 gram / 4 micro grams = 250,000). This in fact means even the total volume of Tesla cars produced from the first Roadster until current latest produced car is is still less than a gram of matter's of energy contained in all batteries accumulated. No wonder our sun can keep going for billion of years.
Fossil fuels originate from dead marine micro-organisms, algae residues and dead vegetation.
That's absolutely insane how fast that thing is, even down to 10% charge. Wow!
its 0-60 who cares? 700hp sports car would eat this. for lesss money
john locket good luck finding a 700 hp car that is cheaper then this
@@johnlocket8966 Yeahhh fuck off, try find a sports car that is cheap as this....
@@jponzy8157 so we going to ignore the hellcat super stock which is 807 for 80K? Model S performance is over 120K
@@dylanweise4802 well the challenger SS makes 807 on 93 for 40K cheaper. Also faster 1/4
under 3 seconds 0-60 at 25% battery charge. impressive. debunks the myth that you have to be at full charge to do a decent launch. and at 75% charge, performance is virtually indistinguishable from its peak (560kw vs 575kw).
Love it! The inverter must really ring out all the current it can, despite the battery being at a lower voltage level.
It's probably the same power. Tc does the best with the power to use all the traction available.
576 KW output!! Damn that's nice! I only get 160 KW max on my Bolt at a 6.5 second 0-60 haha.. nowhere near the S.. Thanks for the data. Fun vid.
let's race! been looking for a Bolt... great car I hear...
Haha! I love the car, but pretty sure you'd smoke me in reverse. I've driven a few of my client's Teslas, S and X, but I've never gotten on them hard. I'm also all the way in CA, bay area. If you're ever in the Bay, we'll run them!
Lucky you having a Bolt. Seen 2 in Vancouver, Wa so far. It's a hot hatch.
@10% classic P85 level of performance
P85 only managed 4.4s; P85+ was 4.0s 0-60mph
My P85 got 3.9 to 60 MPH, the P85+ isn't any quicker at all, it's just suspension...
Was that with or without accounting for rollout?
I'd like to see a MotorTrend-style World's Greatet Drag Race with only Teslas or only EVs.
I think MT usually has 12 cars which would allow for adding in Model X and a couple others, like a Rimac
My P85 is 4.0 seconds, but the weather has to be nice, the surface has to be dry, and I have to have my 21's with the Conti summer tires. I don't now what it is with my all season tires, and it isn't really worth finding out.
This car blows my mind every time, and it's only going to get better (within the laws of physics of course).
"within the laws of physics of course"
Or is it? *X-Files music plays*
+HairlessHare xd
LOL
It did get better
@@bob15479 Yeah Model S Performance can get same times without Ludicrous+ !
Plaid is nice but I don't notice much of a power increase from Model S Performance to Plaid.
If I'm going 100k+ on a performance EV I just spend more and get a Taycan Turbo S at that point
Thanks for taking the time to do this... very comprehensive
We love data! Thanks for taking the time to provide these stats! Sweet!
Very good video man:) love it
thanks Mike!
Love your curiosity and logical methods. Smart guy!
Thank you very much for your hard work!!!
Awesome. Been looking for something like this. Thanks!
Awesome. Thank you for an intelligent view!
Great video and thx for testing it at the different percentages
Very good test. Very informative
I wonder what the 1/8th and 1/4 mile times would be at these charges. Interesting video to say the least
Tesla Racing Channel that’s what people who dont know much about cars fail to understand, so many things have to be right for a car to accelerate at its fastest, people just watch motor trend and assume that’s always gonna be the time , they also use a 1 foot roll out like these guys do
Great video, keep it up. I wish I could do that too
Love the video - nobody is doing this sort of stuff for Teslas but you.
Do you have any idea how much gain comes from max battery vs not using max battery? There's a huge inconvenience in using it, so it's not very practical day to day (it takes almost half an hour to prep on my P90D). I'd love this kind of data for regular Ludicrous mode if you had it.
I've seen every video Tesla Racing Channel has put out and haven't seen this kind of data or testing like this done over there. Both are great channels, but they serve different purposes.
jmx1024768 isn't this guy Tesla racing channel guy's dad??
This is a great video! This goes to show technology using AC motors older DC would slow with battery voltage drop.
I've never been this early... Wow! Great video :)
This was really interesting to watch!
Great video
As always a great video
Thx for doing this!
Nice. Educational.
Awesome! Just sitting down to watch...Cheers for doing this video dude, I remember requesting something like this a while back! Just finished watching...Epic work, great figures. Been wondering about how it performs as the batteries deplete for a while now. Very impressive stuff, the 2.9s at 24% charge especially stands out to me.
I got pulled over for speeding in my Tesla. Were you charged? Yeah 25%.
MotorTrend used the 1 foot roll out method to get that time.
so do we, thanks!
how with launch control, it's from a stop.
Wow that’s amazing Tesla
cool vid. been watching your vids for a while now. subbed
thanks!
last part with the red lambo looking at you is very descriptive on what is going on :)
good video
awesomw video.
awesome :) thank you
Great video Brooks! Glad you did this. Should clear up a few of the extremely misinformed haters.
Great video. It's amazing how fast this thing is. Looks like you were testing at 76 degrees which looks optimal. Could you do a test maybe at 10-15 degrees and at temperatures like 90 degrees?
Can it do this while under attack from EMP weapons?
Hello I liked the video, thank you for testing. How long doest it take to heat battery to be proper temperature for these accelerations?
great video Brooks @dragtimes
Can you test your 0-60 and quarter mile times with "heating" the battery @ 25 min remaining, and in decreasing order of "heating battery remaining " vs when fully heated on max battery power? you can compare launch control without launch control while heating the battery?
Brooks have you tested 0-60 with and without launch control at full power and if so what is the difference in elapsed time?
Great video, how to load the left detailed tech screen? the power data?
Wow 2.5 as advertised, insane!
Hi, thank you for the tests! Could you please tell me what tire size and type I. The tests?
would you test again the 50%/75% battery w/o max battery option and ludicrous mode? same settings as the 10% batt. thanks! great vid!
Could improve the powerband overall with an aggressive cam, intake, and exhaust
Traditional engines can loss significant power after multiple power runs and can be damaged, at least the Tesla manages this risk for you.
rofl not to mention the engine gets less efficient over time no matter what you do, the long complicated drivetrain connected to a transmission loses a lot of the energy and the car loses a lot of power at higher altitude lol, complaining about an electric car is ridiculous.
Electric engines get less efficient lose power over time as well. Happens all the time with my RC cars. Wear and tear will be a problem with any form of friction and heat. These cars have no real long term test results for people to view yet.
But Traditional engines don’t lose over 40 percent of their acceleration down from 2.5s to 3.9s to 60 mph with just 10 percent of fuel or electricity in the tank like the Tesla! 😃 And turbocharged don’t lose power at altitude like naturally aspirated engines! 😃
Maybe the air was thinner then the air at your track, plus humidity?
adjust the tire pressure..lower it a bit so youll get better grip
Thanks for the video. I don't know what the 0-60 time is on my P100D, but it's really the acceleration rush that I'm after. I see you got into the 11 meters per second per second range once. My max is 10.8, which is about 1.1 Gs. I've always charged to the recommended 80% level though, so thanks for suggesting that a 100% charge might help. Also, some have suggested lowering the tire pressure...did you do that?
Brook, have you tested 0-60 with and without launch control at full power and if so what is the difference in elapsed time?
I wonder what would happen if it had slicks on a prepped surface
On the last 2 runs, was the battery truly near 100% charged, as in, was trip mode enabled? I don't know if it would still show 100% charged in the instrument cluster if trip mode was off. Who knows, maybe that doesn't exist anymore and you just have the slider control to control how far it charges to.
actually the outside temperature matters right...
Unreal....😯
How many miles was on the car during this video?
I want to ask, how does the video conversion of the mobile phone do?
I wish you would have addressed how many launches you get from a full charge. Because one common comment I read is " it maybe fast, but after a few launches you got to find a wall outlet and wait 14 hours so you can drive it home", which of course is not true at all.
www.dragtimes.com/blog/tesla-model-s-drag-racing-energy-usage-and-cost
if the p100 was capable of being floored indefinitely it would run out of juice in about 11 minutes which off the top of my head I believe to be similar to how long it would take to empty a bugatti veyron's tank by flooring it.
Can't do it, it would overheat soon despite the liquid cooling.
Jeremiah John yes but then you just put more fuel in and carry on as opposed to having to wait for it to charge up
Gobble, that would make a good reason to have separate battery packs. Charge one while driving off the other. There's no reason to not split the current configuration into at least two sections to make this work. PV on top would then make more sense, since it would work even while driving.
It would be very interesting to see real world acceleration times posted with ludicrous mode only. That is from a standstill without Max battery power, launch mode or ludicrous + enabled, just like the 10% SOC. How much slower is unprepared ludicrous mode?
The future of improvements in the Model S performance will have to be about acceleration above 60mph or in other words, more sustained horsepower. The 2.3 seconds to 60mph is at the edge of the traction the tires can achieve on real road conditions. Rather, hopefully future updates can be with a combination of better battery cooling and better maximum continuous horsepower in the cells (less internal Li-Ion cell resistance). When a Model S gets quickest to 60mph and not quickest in a drag race it's all about the limits in horsepower that sets in above 60mph. Not sure exactly the number, but there is a horsepower number that would secure the Model S wheel torque at near tire slip all the 1/4 mile. That's the horsepower we want and Model S will become a drag racing monster!
How did you get the car to display those power numbers on the left side of the dash?
How much Horsepower has the Tesla Model S?
Why did you have the tires at 45-46psi? What is the headlight draw for your night runs? I assume this location wasn't rubbered in? Seems to me the MT times are attainable at a drag strip with lower tire pressures.
Am I the only one to noticed he doubled the speed limit?
576kw max power but front motor max is 165kw and rear 355kw that is 520kw in different moments???
your tire pressure was 45 psi. if you just wanna do 0-60 pulls try lowering tire pressure by small increments to fix wheel spin by adding grip. Then add air for everyday driving to preserve efficiency.
Any word on any more 0-60 firmware upgrades or Tesla just release a new & faster model?
I Love Teslas!
Was this filmed before the recent firmware updates? I recently tried L+ in my P100D and the "Readouts" display wasn't even listed as an option. Granted the battery hadn't fully heated up at the time.
Yes, this P100D has the latest software installed. The readout only shows when the battery is ready.
I think it may be a P100D option only but: enable ludicrous mode in the settings, press and hold "ludicrous" until the starfield shows up on screen (about 3s), enable ludicrous+ by clicking the agreement, then when the battery is fully warmed up the display will come up automatically
Do same settings at 25 or 50% (no max battery and other) as you had at 10%.
Does not having a sunroof have a significant advantage over the same Tesla with a sunroof? I would like to see a drag race between the two
very minor, maybe 75 pound savings...
is it faster than a porsche 918 from 0-100...
I ll tell you why, Motor Trend takes out the first foot of roll and then they start the measuring.
Man how is DragTimes at 60k subscribers
very good car!!! and test 10points!!!!!!!
How did they get 0-60 in 2.28 seconds? I'd bet that included a 1ft role out. Also their tests are usually done on a drag strip rather than on the road, so a smoother and grippier surface for better traction. Either way the car's performance is incredible, on road or track!
Electric cars are much much more efficient than gas ones, never underestimate a Tesla.
Can you tell me how you displyed the power on the left of the speedometer?
you have to be 'ready' in Ludicrous Plus mode...
Power = Voltage x Current. Battery % is actually the difference between lowest voltage and highest voltage of the battery divided by the max time 100. So when the battery is low, you get a lower voltage out of the battery. Assuming you get the same current, power goes down when voltage goes down. You didnt need to actually test it to know if it'll be slower. You cant get the same time cuz there is that one foot freebie that you wont get when testing with on-board computer.
Given the significant performance difference between, for example, a P90DL and a P100DL I'm surprised there wasn't any difference between 100% and 75% 0-60 times. Can anyone explain this?
the bigger battery has more cells to draw from, even if they're less full
He passed 60 mph before he could even finish saying, here we go! Damn!!
se carda solo el cohe?
how is it going with the battery's over time? Like you know 100% not being 100% anymore from when they were new. And is there no bad result from charging every day, instead of using the battery untill a certain percentage before charging.
HardstyleBeats_Mixr taxi service called Tesloop in the US has one tesla at 400000 miles and 93%.
Your car shows the psi in each tyre. How do you get that setting? Is it only on the P100D?
later model tesla's have newer TPMS systems...
I'd sure like to see a p100d wagon like the new Panamera.
What kind of phone mount is that? I looked under RAM mount and can't find the magnetic one you have.
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The fact you can get one of these now with 30k miles for 40 grand is insane
10%: 3.9 329.0kW
10%: 3.9
24%: 2.892 485.9kW
49%: 2.709 527.4kW
76%: 2.527 559.3kW
99%: 2.5 576.0kW (wheels spinning)
98%: 2.5 572.2kW (wheels spinning)
hey friend what power tool do you have to measure whp? thanks
there is an iphone app for Tesla called PowerTools that shows the motor output in KW or HP, speed, location, and other logging data all in real time while you drive. it logs in to the car and streams the logs to your phone. He is also using a vbox performancebox to measure 0-60, g-forces, etc via GPS.
try to crack into the 2.3's you were so close saying 2.401
If you are getting tire slip then lower your tire pressure.
maybe the reason you are not hitting a lower time is because your equipped tires are too wide
wider tires increase your moment of inertia and have a significant effect on 0-60 times
we are running the same size OEM tires.... 265... :)
Hypothetical Question. If I had a Tesla charging and my cord was a mile long, could you drive the car a mile while it is charging? I am only curious if a Tesla can be driven while charging.
No, cant even go into D
Brooks, how well does the car hold a charge / mileage after sitting off for a day or days unplugged? I've heard it does lose a certain amount over time but curious what it really amounts to or how much is affected by what percent it's left at.
Somnium Sky probably not very much. it's the same battery tech as a laptop, how much does that lose sitting for a few days?
Being BASED on the same battery in no way means it loses about the same. In fact, there's tons of reports about vampire drain with people losing as much as 10 miles a day. It's also on a much bigger scale and with a much more complex system with more factors at play.
0-60 in a overheated tesla?
So Brooks, when do you order the Challenger Demon with Drag Package, seat delete,, harness, roll bar & skinny fronts and rest of the goodies minus 200 lbs approx. 760 hp estimated. Dodge is guaranteeing 10 sec qtr miles . I'm thinking if all comes to fruition, the P100D wiill get beat in qtr mile but P100 D will take the 1/8 and 0-60.
Glenn Glenn then you're comparing a purpose made car with a family sedan ;)
I do have to say that it would be nice to see them offer a 100d model that is less expensive
@@EngineeringNibbles The Tesla would still win :D Check P100D vs Demon.
Dodge sux and always will :/
it's crazy that a dead Tesla still got a 0-60 under 4 seconds.
There should have been a graph in the video. To really visualize it.
HairlessHare If you're talking about kW there's a graph on the right
How much more does a fully charged battery weigh compared to an empty one?
caspa7 neglegable, electrons have extremely little mass
There is a very, very small loss during discharge although the loss has nothing to do with the weight of electrons. Electrons are not lost during charging and discharging.
caspa7 The amount of electrons in the system stays the same, no matter if the batteries are fully charged or not. There's just a difference in electric potential. Basically the same as squeezing a spring. Fun fact: Only the electron holes travel with almost the speed of light inside of the wires, the electrons themselves travel only at about the tenth of the speed of a slug
I am guessing it may be due to power management rather than battery limitations. It is still a family sedan taking you and a family from A to B after all.
Nice to see testing at the bottem end. Below 50% is what prove's ev's.
Question do you need to put a grip rear tire in the back or do you need a little weight in the back because of cause little light in the ass which one is it
Model S is 48/52