Telegram Hands Over User Data to German Police
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- In this video I discuss Telegram giving user data to police, which is a direct contradiction to the statements on their website that they have given "0 bytes of user data to any 3rd parties or governments" This should tell you that Telegram isn't as trustworthy as they claim to be.
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That article is dated June 3rd. Popular German date formats look like DD.MM.YYYY or YYYY.MM.DD - the month is always in the middle.
funny thing is from 1992 to 2007 only the YYYY-MM-DD format was allowed but since very few people followed it it is now possible to also use DD.MM.YYYY again
Edit: in germany
The smartest is YYYY_MM_DD , where _ can be . - or whatever good separator.
Then it is easily comparable, a higher number is always in the future compared to the date of a smaller number.
=>
YYYYMMDD < YYYYMMDD+x, x ∈ ℕ > 0;
a < b means a is smaller than b, and smaller in this case means something like the date a happened before date b.
as it should be
@@gnul For data processing, you're right. For people, DD.MM.YYYY (whatever separator) makes more sense - by placing the smallest time unit first.
There's a great chance that people know what year they're in, so in simple communication (non-formal) we can place that last or even ignore it. The day is what changes the fastest, so it makes more sense to communicate it first.
Going from short (day) to long (year) or revers is almost as simple as the metric...
"Illegal stuff is bad because it's against the law"
What's sad is a lot of people actually believe that.
It's like morals. Perspective based ideologies that can be switched in an instant when new evidence emerges against it.
Its all relative. Good and bad are very situational.
@@USBEN. just because it is situational does not make it relative
Honestly I’ve been a part of some shady azz groups on telegram where lot of bad stuff goes on. A guy used to send me voice notes that he’s planning to “cancel free trial of life” of like 10 random people.
He was asking for my help…
I remember I was added to a super homophobic group of some village idiots. They were bragging about how they beat up LGBT folks in their village.
A real private app would not be allowed on any big tech app store. All devices should be legally forced to allow sideloading. We used to just call that "installing."
Signal can be sideloaded with fdroid on Android
@@ThePatternJugglers No. SIgnal repeatedly remove on F-froid because of the creator of it don't want it on f-droid. Because he thinks F-droid aint secure and Play Store only is the trust worthy. Don't spread misinformation.
@@ThePatternJugglers The official app is not in the main repository of F-droid tho
Legally forced by who, though? Governments would be working against their own interests if they were to do such a thing. They'd never do that.
@@OutOfNamesToChoose the eu, soon
That article wasn't written in March, it was on 6/3/2020. In Germany the day gets set before the month
Only real Reichsbürger know
2022
In English, "June 3th., 2020".
American ignorance strikes again
@@Eliotime3000 * June 3rd
Telegram: "we value user privacy."
German Polizei: **subpoena**
Telegram: "Auf Deutschland! 🇩🇪"
@yo Depp not this time
Oh ja Daten alles absaugen!
@@wChris_ Jij spreek Nederlands? 🙂
@@Chris47368 did i? Or did i not? What country was the video about again?
@@wChris_ Ah, ok - you spoke German, Im still learning dutch and yet to learn German...easy to get confused between the Germanic languages 😂
New slogan: "Only several megabytes of user data have been shared."
when you consider that a character is a byte, that's quite a hefty amount of data...
@@SpartanHawk thats kinda the joke broseph
Nice seeing people mocking Telegram for sharing data of terrorists and child abusers, would be nice to see you argue that after someone you know died from a terrorist attack.
@@Katatonya I would.
@@Katatonya slippery slope. Also i can use your shitty emotional blackmail and say "imagine having a business that is your sole means of taking care of your family and the feds forced you to backstab it?"
If even the German Police is able to do this successfully, then that means that anyone can.
Na hör mal
@@n1k622 er hat sowas von Recht, Deutsche IT ist normalerweise die absolute Gurkentruppe
@@n1k622 Is' doch so.
wie böhmermann letztens noch sehr eindeutig bewiesen hat
In dem Fall geht es doch darum die ganzen rechten Hops zu nehmen oder nicht? Da hab ich ehrlich gesagt nichts gegen, wenn das jeder gebacken bekommt.
he fell for the dd/mm/yyyy trap
Typical muricanese mistake 😂
you mean the normal way of writing.
hello fellow noobdog fan i remember from chat for some reason
@@jim2935 hello
@@jim2935 noobdog = unfunny
As we all know, the best encryption algorithm is ROT13, especially when applied twice.
lmao
Only a handful of people will understand this joke
EDIT: I was wrong, I can't hold 28 people in one hand
🤣🤣🤣
ok i now understood.
Yes
"because the feds know that they glow brighter together"
I'm reminded of temple OS everytime I hear that
You should do a review on that! It'd be crazy to get an indepth dive on it from your POV
Oooh. From that crazy racist?
@@Brabbs isn't he where the "glowing feds (racist words)" comes from originally? Or am I just misinformed?
I would love to see someone take up that mantle and finish the project. Maybe even add features that Terry Davis left out.
@@JaykPuten "fed" is a pattern of behavior, not a race
Reminded? That's literally where the joke originated
another ‘private’ application thats not actually private?? nah……….
There were red flags about Telegram for a long time, like end-to-end encryption being disabled by default. It's not much surprise to me that it happened.
Now waiting people who shill signal to see how signal will end up giving their users data to gov
@@5555Jacker also their algorithm is closed source. Considering their recent behaviour, I could be more certain about it having backdoors only if I saw the source code.
@@5555Jacker How can you encrypt a chat end-to-end when you can use Telegram in sync from multiple devices?
@@LorenzJahn At least the way Session does it is to have a set of English words from which the user's private encryption and authentication keys are derived, which can then be input into other instances and from there you can restore your convos. This, however, means no perfect forward secrecy is available, lest you wouldn't be able to restore your chats.
Telegram is just a normal chat app with the option of encryption. Nothing less, nothing more.
The scariest thing about Europe to me as a german right now is this child protection act they are trying to get to fly.
Meaning every messaging server then would have to allow an AI to scan trough a user's data to look for CP material, if they want to continue to operate in Europe. From what I understand anyways. Germany is apparently against that.
The only way to avoid that to my knowledge is maybe via a service like threema. It doesn't even save images to your device unless you manually click to download, meaning the message stays encrypted.
But that doesn't solve the problem of the AI still scanning your device. I don't want that. Because I think the argument that "why wouldn't you let someone look trough your stuff if you have nothing to hide" is bullshit.
Maybe it's a work phone using WhatsApp that has sensitive company information. Maybe it's my own sensitive information like Screenshots of mobile banking stats or stuff like that. In the future the only way to have secure storage is cold storage or what.
You can avoid that using XMPP, IRC over I2P, Session, Briar and maybe some others, I do not think they will ever be able to block those open source messaging applications.
Isn't von der Leyen a fan of that act?
There was a bill sponsored a couple years ago in the US that would have required there to be a loophole in all end to end encryptions, for government use, also for child protection.
There’s been at least one Bill proposed since trying to do the same thing, and also do away with Section 230 type protections. Pretty unfortunate.
I believe that cp stuff is a cover for something bigger. I'm no conspiracy theorist but using cp as an excuse just sounds like you're trying to distract people with moral superiority
@@muhammedlawanmusa5738 exactly my point. its the good old "think of the children" line.
same with terrorist attacks. Germany, in order to prevent terror attacks, wanted to turn into a full blown surveillance state where they log every message and filter it for possible threats.
however, if you compare the deaths trough terror attacks to the deaths trough homelessness, alcohol abuse or car accidents it pales so hard in comparison its laughable. it is simply a way to get surveillance under the protection of doing the morally right thing. you wouldn't want to die from a car bomb right? but car crashes? meh. who needs a speed limit on highways (though i myself actually am not a fan of speed limits on highways because i like driving fast as fuck on a free and open road. if every city gets a public racetrack they can go ahead and put a speed limit if they want xD)
Telegram glows like the sun. Everyone called me crazy. Who's laughing now!
That's why I pushed for Signal.
Thankfully not the village of kashasha
This. Been saying it for a long time yet people insisted on joining the massive honeypot that gained popularity during the jevvkraine craze.
Stick to SESSION, better yet your own XMPP server.
@our hero shut up
@Morbius 🅥 shut up
It's already said that in Germany they use DMY date format, but it's the date format of the majority of the world.
Meanwhile at Signal HQ:
"Hehehehehe, let's reply to the FBI's subpoena with unix timecode"
Edit: oops, i posted this before signal was mentioned in the video
It's entirely possible that they didn't reply with local time to the user because they don't check the user's location. If so, Unix timecode would be all they could give the FBI by default.
The fact that the LLC that develops Signal is based in America leaves much to be desired, however.
Sigma HQ
@@hunterman2031 There's not really any other country that they could go to as far as I'm aware. Most are just as cucked.
You do realize that Telegram supports end-to-end encryption for chats and it’s up to user to use them? If Telegram gets subpoenaed in jurisdiction they operate in they will provide all the data you as user chose to share with their severs (telephone number, profile info, unencrypted chats). Same goes for Signal, except their chats are end-to-end by default.
Basically, Telegram data has two faces: public and social one, and private and encrypted one. How people that are interested in cyber security are confused by this is beyond me.
@@mrKeyCat exactly. i don't understand how would anyone implement implement multi device encryption with end to end encryption. i think telegram is more of a social app(main feature being channels) with an added secure chat service (like secret chat) rather than a messaging app.
privacy is a myth
No it's just difficult. To say privacy is a myth is defeatism and that's what the glowbois want. They want you to give up trying so they don't have to work as hard.
religion is a joke
memes, the dna of the soul
Absolutely, Tom, of Central Connecticut wearing a dark grey shirt right now.
@FreeBirb unless you don't use social media (or don't make it private), yes it's a myth.
@FreeBirb It is, I'm aware of it (you're vulnerable to OSINT investigation). Front end page like Nitter and Blibliogram are ways to go to access social media without creating an account first. Last but not least, you can host it by your own on docker.
From what I understand, you overstate telegrams glowieness a little. This "zero byres of user data" claim you're deboonking in the video refers to procedure of decrypting and disclosing the exact content of server-hosted messages.
Now, there is another claim in telegram privacy statement that says:
"If Telegram receives a court order that confirms you're a terror suspect, we may disclose your IP address and phone number to the relevant authorities. So far, this has never happened. When it does, we will include it in a semiannual transparency report published at: [link avoided for spam filter algorithm]."
Thus, Phone number and IP address alone is what most likely meant in the article by "user data". Ask me, having an anonymous SIM card and not logging in using your home IP address is a must do no matter what communication method you're using for shady stuff.
There isn't any report YET, however. If they end up not failing to provide one, then I see no contradiction taking place with what they claim. Except that their wording needs a little concretization.
And yeah, just as a reminder, if you have an anonymous SIM card for shady stuff, NEVER LET IT STAY IN A POWERED DEVICE. They can triangulate your location using cell towers.
Yup, you beat me to this comment. It's not a shock that people never give up their phone number for this reason.
This in essence makes having two almost mandatory. Been rocking two for awhile now. It's super silly to just write it off in the video if you're trying to suggest security.
The content here is solely intended for 💷 and nothing more. I'd be selective about trusting any source on the internet.
Security is an ongoing process, constantly changing.
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@@nomore-constipation Kenny introduced me to Gentoo thus deserves my massive respect. Yet I agree on his probable intention to get quick views on a newsbreak with no intention to actually dive into the topic because of having an already established opinion.
@@valerabaglej7437 what? kenny literally suggests better options than telegram and youre complaining lmao
How surprising another privacy based app showing its true colors of not being actually privacy based
Please session, don't disappoint me.
Are you dumb? Telegram never said they have end to end encryption on by default. You actually have to enable it.
10:41 "Don't do illegal shit (...) because illegal stuff is bad, because it's against the law."
I'm fairly confident that was tongue in cheek, but it bears repeating:
Don't confuse morality with legality.
"In general, laws don't define right and wrong. Laws, at their best, attempt to implement justice. If the laws (the implementation) don't fit our ideas of right and wrong (the spec), the laws are what should change."
I'm sure I don't have to provide an example to illustrate this.
Just picture a member of victimized group living under an oppressive authoritarian regime and use your imagination.
Laws reflect the lawmakers' morality, and people's behavior reflect their morality, and the law due to fear of punishment
Terrorism is objectively wrong tho. As is CP.
I don't really care about privacy but features, and Telegram is years ahead its competition in that department. Like it's a whole other world
If you look at the code for Signal server, it stores more than they claim. Also, when an account is 'deleted', its just tagged as deleted, the data remains.
Please, elaborate.
Didn't signal already prove themselves when the FBI requested user data and all they got was a timestamp? I'm not a signal fanboy, I'm happy to switch to something like session but seems like signal was okay
@@duckmeat4674 this way one can argue that Telegram is fully clean, bringing the Roskomnadzor incident to the table
@@valerabaglej7437 until we see what information was actually given to German authorities, I dont wanna just say telegram is over for privacy users. If they did infact give more than what signal did to the fbi, then I'm happy to say telegram is now just on a blacklist for me
@@duckmeat4674 No one should have ever used it in the first place, it was always the worst option of the privacy messengers. Shit like Briar is the future
I’ll start supporting your accounts in the Fall, guaranteed. You deserve so much I can’t give.
This seems to be a violation of the GDPR. Hopefully someone sues over this blatant privacy breach
GDPR only protects you from companies, not governments.
@@MrEdrftgyuji Even if the platform lies to its users?
I read the original spiegel article and the related official stuff (their sources), and as far as i can tell telegram actually did nothing apart from promising greatest possible willingness to cooperate "Größtmögliche Kooperationsbereitschaft"... whatever that means. Maybe just the same data you mentioned in your other video.
The article was not written in March. It's DD.MM.YYYY in Germany. So it's the 3rd of June, not the 6th of March.
Yes, several people have noticed by now.
I knew telegram was sketchy. Long live signal!
+1, finally happened
Always looked at telegram as whatsapp
Signal requires phone number, def a red flag. Session or Briar are better options.
Signal has also handedness over data when legally compelled. If it has 0s and 1s, it's not private.
@@HelvecioGomes This. There's NO POINT in using an "open source" messenger with CENTRALIZED servers. Stick to session, better yet XMPP so that you know tf is going on.
That's great! He said illegal stuff is bad because it's against the law, implying that it wouldn't be bad if we didn't have the law making it bad.
"Government honey pots at worst"
*Wickr has entered the chat*
Absolutly on point !!!
Thanks 4 everything U do !!!
Dude, your channel is so under rated!!!
You had me until "Don't do illegal stuff because it's against the law." Thanks, dad. 😂
Can you please link the sources, like news sites and articles in the description? I would like to read them while being lazy to search for them
Thanks for the info, Jayson Tatum.
Telegram's standard chat is poorly implemented for sure, privacy wise.
Well, how can you encrypt a chat end-to-end when you can use Telegram from multiple devices in sync?
I wonder if that claim made by the hacker about the bypass to collect every Telegram message even without being in a group.
@@LorenzJahn keybase managed to do it, they did something akin to having an account-wide key and sending that to devices when added so that they can decrypt past conversations
@@jabster286 So, that key is stored server side and can be easily stolen, not dissimilar to a password protection? How is it more secure than end-to-end then?
@@mrKeyCat nope, the key is stored on each client and is securely sent to new devices when added
People in this comment section saying they never trusted Telegram seem to be forgetting that they have a Google account and use CZcams.
I also don't darknet on a computer that touches Google or Windows.
You can have an account on something and not trust it at all. just FYI..
@@gg-gn3re True, but then I wouldn't expect those people to care enough to bother posting a comment.
Thats why we have Odysee
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 I'm right here breh, completely made up meme lander identity
glad I'm not german
What makes you think they won't give your data to your government? This shows they'll comply.
@@XanderFenikkusu its a joke my friend
shortcomings of signal: requires phone number, no support for 3rd party clients, electron desktop app, centralized network architecture, server partially proprietary.
@Ka. G. This is more or less why I do use telegram; I am aware that they keep more data than signal, but the usability is plain better for my use case at least
Second best in features to WhatsApp (not that I know many features of this app), to me secops is always a compromise between usability and security, too much security and it's not comfortable enough to use
@@metaphysicalfuck Bro, I'm glad I got rid of Telegram, besides it being honeypot, it's full of trash of society and incels who probably never talked to a woman. It was probably toxic like Amino or Discord but the opposite extreme.
Is there a competitor to Telegram which has similar bot functionality? I love writing Telegram bots for microapps because they have a nice API.
To be really resistant against feds, these apps would also have to encrypt the names and contact IDs of the people you talk to. That way if your phone gets confiscated and decrypted, there's not a whole lot of metadata they can pull off of it to figure out who you were communicating with.
yeah, cool. you "privacy deserving" people can just throw genius ideas and demand. while no turning on your brain to try if it's possible. get your hands on work if you wanna change the world. what you proposed is impossible. you can't just encrypt anything you'd like. now go back to think a better way around it
@@donaastor you don't think people deserve privacy?
@@hamsturinn they can only earn it. why would anyone give it for free (i mean no effort, not no money)
@@donaastor So you think people should have the right to protect their privacy, even against the government?
@@hamsturinn Everyone has right to earn what the laws of this nature allow him to earn. And excuse me for reversing this interrogation, but what do YOU think about this privacy related topic?
Sent over telegram to the only person i have added on telegram. Who forced me to use it. Seeya on signal, Lee!
Forgot exactly what is was, but I seem to remember there being something fishy with Signal, aside from the phone number issue, that came up a few months ago. Maybe something to do with their tight control over client apps, that rings a bell but Im not certain.
About using google service to tracking some error and debug the apps?
@@AjiPratamax doesnt ring a bell, but that sounds even worse than what I remembered lol
AFAIK Signal open sourced their Android client source code but didnt open source their server source code, and there's no way to verify that the server isn't logging stuff it's not supposed to. Also the CEO was very unwilling to even consider using a federated protocol so people can spin up their own servers.
@@Bravo-oo9vd Yep that sounds familiar, think that was it, which again makes it somewhat hard to trust
I went to the comments to write about your misunderstanding of the way dates are written in most parts of the world but I see that a lot of others caught that too. To me, it’s the opposite. I always struggle to understand the American way of writing dates. Why does everything have to be different over there? 😂
That said it’s great that you make these videos. People need to understand that these companies write whatever they want to get users to join, but the only way to really judge them is their actions when presented with some kind of subpoena.
10:03
Oh my lord, they flipped Holland's flag upside-down. Why?!
Holland? What country is that? I know theres a country called Netherlands that has Holland as a region
@@duckmeat4674 I said Holland since that is the name used in the video and I wanted to cause less confusion.
The bigger question is why they're talking about Holland alone and not the Netherlands. Inb4 some jackwipe tries to tell me it's just "Netherlands", I don't care, it doesn't sound right.
@@tissuepaper9962 el netherland
Thanks to this video, I just downloaded Signal and renamed the installed to include: "the Chad of messaging apps". Mind you, I don't need it atm, but for when I will need a decent messaging programme, it will be there at the ready.
What’s your recommendation for secure phone?
Btw awesome videos, legend!
Sure feels good to not have been meme'd into using neither Messenger, nor Telegram
It’s June 3rd , the rest of the world writes dd mm yyyy , also this was prévisible , for these apps to be in the App Store they need to accept certain criterias and giving info to govs is one of them
Like you said the only way to make a private app is to not collect user data in the first place
You should make an Spanish version of your channel bro. Pretty good content and very useful.
I have coordinated several terrorist attacks through Minecraft wooden signs, the feds can’t trace it because I don’t let them play on my Minecraft server
Phone numbers in signal are so you can see a list of your contacts who use it for wider adoption
Yeah, at first I was really apprehensive about that. But knowing they haven't given out any real information, and that if subpoenaed the only thing feds know is that you use signal, then that's fine
f-droid rejecting signal is the reason why I'm not 100% trust on signal.
Did you know that the blue flag union has a new law that requires chat apps to have client side surveillance?
do you have a link to this directive?
the comments are just correcting you on the date, I somehow thought you were british and so was very surprised
So any updates on what was actually shared in the past few weeks? I'm curious if it's like signal where it's just nothing data, or if it's something worthwhile
Whelp, I feared that this might happen but with all the shitting on Telegram the german media has done in the past couple years it was to be expected.
Time to try and convince my family to move to Signal or Session I guess.
Why not matrix?
The Brazilian government/media also has been shitting a lot on Telegram recently, and they managed to make Telegram ban some channels for Brazilian users and making Telegram start promoting shitty "please vote!!!!" propaganda. But what sounded the red alarm for me was knowing that Durov took the WEF leaders course. Anyone that partakes in the WEF's courses cannot be trusted the way I see it. But I do use Telegram for talking with my friends, and it's got the best features by far. Unfortunately I have to make a compromise
I don't believe the Signal FBI story. Signal is able to collect a lot of meta data, like who is sending messages to whom. Signal only doesn't know the content of the message, but meta data is often enough.
Signal has sealed sender, they can tell who is recieving messages but not who's sending them.
Nothing is safe. Nobody has privacy.
lol a lot easier to say that than get good with opsec I guess
I feel like Telegram is a sort of middle ground. Hell will freeze and thaw before I'm able to get my friends on Session. Signal, maybe. Telegram, however, is easy to convince people to get. The gimmicky features like Stickers are a nice attraction into the app, and it provides every feature you'd expect of a competent standard communication app; quick and easy messaging, file sharing, video and voice calling, group chats, etc. It's hard to convince even technically inclined people to move to more secure platforms, simply because no normie wants to give up their fancy features just so that they can hide things they don't feel the need to - as I've heard family say several times "I don't care if they watch me, I don't do anything I need to hide". Nobody wants to use a platform none of their associates are on, even us technically inclined people. I mean, here we are, with Google accounts. Most of you likely have Twitter or Facebook or something. Currently, any kind of security requires giving up a lot of features, which normies just won't accept. If the masses don't accept it, then it'll be a nerf even for those more in-the-know to use it. Honestly, since we have the source for the client, if somebody could build a open Telegram server, I think that'd be the easiest way to make more people secure. Hell, then if you were dedicated enough, you could likely swap the Signal library in, and remove need for phone numbers.
Ong fr no cap
Very well said 💯
Signal has all the features you mentioned and from an privacy standpoint i don't really see a reason to choose telegram over whatsapp...
@@diyfu Signal requires a phone number that's not privacy either.
I hate when people say they have nothing to hide. If so, why don't you make all your chats public. Why don't you post all your gallery pictures on Facebook. Why don't you put all your private information RIGHT ON YOUR FOREHEAD
I remember when privacy was the norm... When you pretty much inherently had privacy because it wouldn't be destroyed by one idiot with an expensive machine to make calls being unable to leave it off his person.... Or because to bug a room would have wasted enough money to cause a senate oversight committee to ask questions....
Now people are more than happy to give up their privacy to be "TikTok famous" or for me to expect any true privacy(including from idiots taking random selfies) I have to wear a balaclava or a good, hat, dark sunglasses, and mask(that has someone else's bottom face half printed on it) just to be truly private in public on my way from privacy place A to privacy place B
If it didn't kill the environment I'd randomly download files on the internet then encrypt them then upload them to random free file sharing sites... Just to waste man/computing power on useless stuff, since decrypting it without the key takes so much time and money, only to discover it's the complete works of Shakespeare...
What ever happened to tin foil hat Linux?
Boot from CD/dvd/USB/floppy(yes it was designed to be used by super old and new computers), van eck proof, always running random crypto processes in background, couldn't be connected to a network, all for encrypting and decrypting documents
Ah the good ol days
👴
@@klittlet30 years ago sounds like forever... Heck even years ago when rumors about prism were going around like crazy n the early millennium.... Man then Snowden's leaks made us realize our worst nightmare of "prism" was both true, and not our worst nightmare... Only insane level state actors can do that
It doesn't kill the environment. The whole glowbull warming thing is pushed by the same people that want to take all your freedoms away... funny that.
Take your meds schizo
But what user data did telegram give them
I was pretty sure this would happen eventually since Telegram became more and more popular in Germany, to me it's not a surprise at all, Telegram is accessible and easy to use and provides the best user experience out there of course it was meant to be targeted, people should use e2e decentralized messengers, but most people just don't care enough. Telegram is still fine to use imo if you use it correctly for a purpose that is not problematic
And hope you don't unknowingly connected to someone who IS using Telegram improperly. If this happens you could find yourself being scrutinized when you have done nothing wrong. It can happen.
Great information!
I'm actually... thankful for that.
Comparing Telegram to Signal and Sessions is like comparing Facebook to SMS. Telegram is primarily a social media app, not a messaging app.
Yeah we go to telegram for the channels, banned content creators, unbiased news and of course memes. No one I know who uses telegram uses it for their messaging.
@@GyroGarrison telegram is a really good messenging app tho, when you compare it with other major players on the market. What'sapp becomes literally unusable after you get used to Telegram
Gatekeeping
@@joeykeilholz925 more like self-gatekeeping lmao. There are too many people who genuinely think that telegram is for criminals and pedos only, and ignore it even though it's much more user-friendly than any other mainstream messenger out there
Liebe Grüße von der Insel Rügen die sich mit der Zeit
I love signal. The best messaging app I have ever used.
Yo MO off topic but you've convinced me to switch to Linxus, Use Fdroid for newpipe on my phone to bypass adds on yt and download vids.
You've shown me not to use javascript on tor. You shown me about apple automatically scanning peoples photos from thier cloud to check for chessy pizza. (Plus google photos do the same).
You've shown me alot. Thank you.
Also i got a P.OS win 8.1 laptop on the side that I'm trying to install Tails or Linxus or something onto but it keeps on preventing me to do so. Remember People. Never go full windows. Plus always use signal instead of Telegram and do not trust proton email. Now if you excuse me I'll be with my tinfoil hat and a Feraday bag.
Mentaloutlaw: "here we have an article that was writen in 03.06.2022 ['Murican intensify]... in March"
90% of the world: 👁👄👁 yes March
Grr someone's country has a different way of writing down dates grrr😡
@@mcsnuggie The date should be _the_ one thing that's standardized to avoid confusion like this.
I don't understand, why are Americans so stubborn about something as illogical as MM/DD/YYYY when the entire rest of the world writes the date in ascending DD/MM/YYYY or descending YYYY/MM/DD?
@@Narvaljodchik we should standardize many things like language religion and laws but humans suck and we don't
Tbh dates are probably the least important thing to want to make equal everywhere lol
is matrix (element) good for privacy? it seems like it but im not 100% sure
It can be but you have to know what you’re doing. It’s also potentially kinda suspicious.
No
@@cirkleobserver3217 in what way is it suspicious? I personally find it the most trustworthy since you can host it yourself
@@cirkleobserver3217 i used a homebrew that just needs a user and password so i think it has less data on me than signal for example which requires a cellphone
Some servers, including the main require email to register, which is a thing that some people can do wrong and give too much data to other servers
I was wheezing for like a minute straight at just "ononymous"
Telegram also bend the knee to the Brazilian Supreme Court and deleted the profile of journalist Allan dos Santos, who was a critic of the court.
Most of the people use Telegram because it's technically comfortable and feature-full, not because it's secure. It's just "secure enough", but the main thing that attracts users is its functionality.
Based in New Zealand 🇳🇿
telegram tries to sell itself on privacy though
Telegram should put a counter on how many bytes have been shared with 3rd parties.
It's still not private, but at the very least they would be honest and transparent haha
Agreed. Different tools for different goals. If you just want to chat with friends without letting FB/Google/Apple etc. know everything about you, privacy focused eqiuivalents like Telegram are perfect. If you want to get away with murder, trading convenience for security with services like Signal is most likely worth it.
Checking the tracking number seems incredibly stupid to me. The reason being that if you're the vendor was a fed then they could just give you a tracking number and go raid whoever checks that tracking number.
Who would of thought, since they already did it before.
Can you do a video about CZcams demonetizing theactman? This is very scary for creators
Agreed, more corrupt than a mexican police station or an Oil Company Organized meeting and then one of them is some U.S. Represntative with lucrative connections
I wanna see his video, but damn its a pain
I fucking hate that we as a civilization have not yet come to an agreement on how to best represent date stamps...
Either year or day first! (Preferably day imo) This would make it so obviously clear at a glance either way.
Anytime I see this "month first" North America logic I wonder how long our species future will be lol.
we haven't? I thought its month in the middle almost everywhere except for United States of Snowflakes
logically it should be shortest to longest, so Mental Outlaw was right to assume MM/DD/YYYY. But there is a difference between using dots and slashes as in XX.XX.XXXX versus XX/XX/XXXX
@@Gquain logically, year first - month - day makes most sense. This is for archive purposes, and goes from most important information (year) first to least important. In case of financial audits, photos, personal records, medical information, yyyy-mm-dd makes most sense
Year first makes absolutely no sense in day to day life, or even for most archival purposes, unless you have a small number of files to organize that way (ie, monthly or yearly documents). Anything you're dealing with on a day to day basis, year first is a massive pain to deal with. And if you do need to easily divide files by year, that is easily accomplished with folders. Day first is a much much more sensible option, though when you're talking about organizing documents on a computer, day first or month first both have desirable traits in various situations.
Also, screw standardization, I'm going to represent today's date as Anno Domini 2022, the Eighth Day of the Month of the Wife of Jupiter.
@@AgamemnonTWC I dunno, South Korea seem to like it that way, and I can see why. Easier to sort.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_in_South_Korea
There is no such a thing as truly private messaging app.
If it doesn't collect personal data then why does it need my phone number, if I pay for their version of discord' nitro where do my payment details go?
They def collect data, you can't say they don't.
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Signal requires phone number so it's a big no. Session or Briar are better options.
What about wickr
@@xCwieCHRISx Wickr is literally owned by Big Tech Amazon!
@@xCwieCHRISx bought out by google or amazon can't rememeber
Signal doesn't give any useful information though since they don't store it. They practically gave the feds nothing of importance.
How about self host your own chat server using XMPP or Matrix? I just want to control over my data.
Do you recommend any other apps/website to replace Telegram's channel service? Signal is great for one-on-one but can't do much else.
I don’t think so, I mean that’s why most people use signal.
Huh, I`ve read an article a long time ago where it was written that Telegram refused to give it.
8:42 oh wow the way Mental Outlaw pronounces "Spiegel" lmao
That’s how I’ve always pronounced it, how is it meant o be pronounced?
@@primethread shpeegel afaik
@@primethread Standard German is "shpeegl"
German moment
Schpigel
Signal needs to get rid of last connection time. That could convict someone maybe innocent of online criminal activity, when in fact they might have been checking a message or talking shit with a bud
If you'll get convicted for looking at messages at the time an event took place, you may as well be convicted for being alive when the thing happened
@@justsomeone5314
"He had sugar at home, clearly guilty murder, treason and public indecency"
Hey actually, I did a review of the mullard vpn that you suggest, it result be from Sweden... what are your thoughts about that?
I think that your content is amazing btw
Mullvard VPN?
@@electricz3045 yep.. My bad
Where's your review?
I've always imagined a great way to message/email is to create an app that uses PGP/GPG. It's simple and can encrypt anything. I think Dino is this way...
matrix being federated makes me like it.
it uses signal's ring token E2EE method which is good. It's also on track for full decentralization and peer 2 peer serverless via dendrite. The others do not compete with matrix, they're not even close to the same tier. It is a massive project, ~3 servers, 30+ clients it is far bigger project than all of the other chats combined, really. definitely ambitious. I've used it ~ 4 years and it is going very quickly now.
Telegram is the main source of safe from government communications in Russia. Main thing for Russian customers is that servers are safe from Russian government. This app is really popular and have interesting history of founder who created first Russian social network and government just took it from him. And also telegram is just polished so fine as a service. Very convenient.
I'm really doubting it's "safe". It did get whacked by the govt some time ago, which lent it some credibility initially, but then it got off the hook and everything is peachy now? This screams a deal with feds of some sort.
Nice
Ironically enough, I got an ad for some Microsoft security product on this video 😭
Good, now they could start using Signal like a real man.
I wonder how much of that data they got was furry yiff kekw
how does session prevent mass account creation? would that be a problem?
You can't prevent that. Even discord tried it by using captchas etc. but captchas are easy to bypass etc. You can always find a way around their shitty security measures.
It doesnt really, much like nothing is stopping tor users from mass bridging the network
I am currently developing an open source private chat that does not save any personal data. It uses asymmetric encryption to encrypt texts that only the recipient can decipher. No username, no password. All you use is a public key to determine your identity. The server is fully functional, however I'm still working on the front end (app). I'm debating whether I should make the repository public in it's current state.
Im probably the first person to have noticed this but you kinda look like of American basktball player Jayson Tatum, not sure if anyone else has thought this
lmfao, was just about to post this
The two guys look similar, but actually they not the same.
Sp in German is pronounced shp
The only source for this currently is "Der Spiegel" - not known for being a very reliable source.
big plus of session is no phone number or email, better than signal in my opinion, also they are upgrading their network on which session operates larger file attachments shouldn't be far
I actually think that telegram's homemade encryption 'could' be better simply through obscurity. Yes, there may be more attack vectors, but the hackers would really have to study the code hard to figure out what's going on. Whereas an exploit found in a common well understood algorithm could be a lot easier to target. Not saying telegram is better at all. I'm just saying that could be a positive if they really know what they're doing.
1B users gives a lot incentive for an attack, but proprietary algorithms don’t get as much attention for defence. That’s the big problem