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Last night the clocks changed in the UK, marking both an hour of lost sleep and a lot of confusion. So in this video we examine why people ever started changing the clocks and why we probably ought to stop...
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What I wish they'd teach you at school is that as an adult if you don't sleep enough then you'll feel tired the next day, and if you sleep for too long then you'll feel tired the next day, and if you sleep for the exact right amount then you'll feel tired the next day.
😂
*PAIN*
That was the small print...
Sounds like you need a new job
I felt that. There is no Goldilocks zone I’m just destined to wake up exhausted!
It never ceases to amaze me that rather than having businesses change their hours, the more obvious conclusion was to have every living human shift their perception of time by an hour
All of the arguments for changing the clocks assumes one thing: Opening and business hours can't be changed.
Rather than screwing with an entire time zone (which has additional issues with computer and automated systems). "Capitalist" enterprises should adapt to the market and change their operating hours to increase business while flexible or daylight-shifting working hours will increase employee and civil servant morale without the chaos.
to a degree you're right- however this is actually the very same thing as daylight-saving time, we'd just refer to everything by different numbers, assuming it's society-wide. And in business they realise that being able to have consistent hours is much easier for people to find out or remember than having hours that change too much without good reason, and it's good for those hours to overlap with your customers' hours so they can buy your goods or services when they need them to do their jobs.
@@ari54x Many of the local businesses I know have different summer hours and winter hours.
@@luddity only places I've seen in NZ with seasonal hours are tourist operations... 🤷🏻♂️
This is great lateral thinking. It hadn't occurred to me. There is definitely something in this.
But tons of retail change their hours for summer to stay open late or Christmas to stay open late. Like I agree with the original posters statement and actually made the same argument in my post.
I get so annoyed by discussions of daylight savings time because they almost never address the issue that clocks don’t need to change to change schedules. If you have a good reason for changing schedules, change the schedule. Changing the clock instead is ridiculous.
Why the Hell do Clocks Still Change? The correct answer is: when scientists are stupid, they are really stupid.
haha like it'd vastly improve morale and staff wellbeing for different businesses to start their work at different times of day, the 9 to 5 standard means a whole bunch of traffic, wasted energy and stress for everyone, having differential start times and changing schedules that aren't around this strict standard would be great for people, the problem is the first business to actually do it suddenly has a problem that they lose a bunch of time being able to trade with and communicate with all the companies that doggedly stick to the 9 to 5. The good reasons for changing schedules are overruled by the reasons for not changing them, and so the only way to enforce any change is through the absurdity of changing clocks allowing businesses and to a lesser extent people to believe they're not changing their schedules at all.
@@johnydl My company has offices in Pacific Time, US Central Time, British Time, & China Standard Time. I collaborate daily with teams in all those time zones. (One of which doesn’t observe daylight savings time.) We do business with other companies around the globe. In my local office, different people keep different schedules. Businesses around the world already manage differing schedules.
I agree some do but many don't, at least where I live, most shift work rotates around the 9-5, most stores have primary opening hours 9-5 many offices run 9-5, banks 9-5, factories and school staff tend to run 8-4. And some businesses do have to coordinate globally but one look at rush hour traffic and you realise that's not the norm, even where you're not on the 9-5 I bet most staff work to the hour or half hour, no-ones scheduled to start or finish 37 minutes past for example. And how many people start work before 5am or finish work after 9pm really? Is your company flexible enough to allow that if people want to do it? Is that typical of all the local businesses to you?
We live in a globalised world with electric lighting working while the sun is up isn't strictly a necessity anymore. That was my point. If all businesses were flexible about hours worked then when the clocks changed it wouldn't matter, if you call local noon 11am or 12pm or 1pm doesn't matter. People would show up an hour 'earlier' or 'later' by definition of clocks but it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to people because they'd continue working the hours most comfortable for them.
@@johnydl : Yes, my company (and others I’ve worked at) are flexible enough that starting before 5am & ending after 9pm are both things I’ve done. Here’s the thing: Trying to enforce schedule change on inflexible companies by changing the clock doesn’t fix inflexible companies & causes its own problems. Changing the clock isn’t the answer.
We once had relatives in their 50s calling us to to cancel a lunch appointment, because they had just noticed that the date we had picked was the day we'll change the clocks. Apparently it's such a disturbing event for them that they can't cope with any kind of activity on that day. We thought it was hilarious, and often joked about it when clocks had to be changed.
We stopped finding this funny years later, upon realizing that our newborn child who was waking us up at 5:30 sharp every morning, would not adjust to Summer time and wake-up an hour earlier for weeks to come... 😂
It annoys me that people never talk about flexible working hours within this discussion...
It would be so much better to change the school clock and the time children arrive at school, rather than to just mess around with the clocks of an entire country.
The same principle goes for work of any sort. Professions should allow work that's not time dependent to be flexible. A 9-5 is an unecessary concept now, as long as the hours are worked, the time the task was done shouldn't matter.
Honestly, schools should follow the science. depending on the age group some kids should start early in the morning and some later.
Exactly but leave all clocks alone. Let the institutions and workplaces that need adjustment just change their operating hours. I am betting that many will not so it will not be a huge disruption.
Definitely agreed to the flexible hours.
Totally agree. Let's just stay on GMT(Universal Time)ie. the correct time by the Sun all year round. I can't understand why people should have to be "fooled" that time goes forward an hour in the summer.
Exactly.
Why is the 21st century running by pre history rules.
Its about time we redid the rules to work with today.
Instead of changing clocks for everybody, how about changing time tables where necessary?
YES! DST is just a convoluted way of changing schedules, so let's just remove the convoluted part and change the schedules directly.
As an Australian, I didn't realise that the purpose of this was so that people got more sunlight hours per day, rather than some long-winded farming related purpose.
You'll probably find that the reasons why different countries adopt a DST, or the arguments used for/against in different countries, are different.
Why not both? There is never just a singular reason. Though for farming time on the clock doesn’t matter. They are bound by their own time. Whether the clock says 4am or 5am doesn’t matter, it’s just “sun rise o’clock”
They didn’t want the curtains to fade with the extra hour of sunlight in Queensland, the whole east coast should move to Daylight savings time and just stay there forever. It’s so disruptive to business.
@@DeeFourCee we lack the requirement for more sunlight hours in a day. I agree that there's probably more than one motivation, but more daylight hours isn't something anyone craves here.
@@Jarmodnok Is it actually disruptive to business though, and what type of business? At the end of the day everyone's still working for the same amount of hours. You could make the argument that no one should ever use daylight savings and it would lead to the same outcome. The arguments against daylight savings were stupid, but at the same time the arguments for it are just as stupid. It's well established that the changeover days are the worst performing days economically, so I don't see a benefit there.
Meanwhile in Scotland in winter it’s dark in morning and dark after school :)
Exactly the same in Northern Ireland
From Canada, and this is the case for us too. There’s no escaping the darkness in winter.
So what you really want is to put the clocks forward in the middle of the day, and back again each night? **lol**
@@annoloki nah move the earth slightly close to the sun or change the wobble slightly :)
Remind me to move from Southern Wales to Ynys Môn.. (Anglesey for you English speakers)
I run a virtual club online, the most annoying thing is that Europe and USA change clocks at different times (e.g UK on 27 March, while the USA March 13th). It confuses the hell out of me, my DJs and my guests. (While few southern hemisphere countries change their clocks in different months, most Asian, African and South American countries do not change their clocks.)
So do what all reasonable humans do and give all event times in UTC.
I make part of one too. Solution: we simply use UTC. Each person has to know his time relative to UTC and that's it.
I know I have experienced this as well on CZcams streams a stream that darts at 11:00 UK time Saturday becomes 10:00 UK time and goes off about midnight it's like this for a few weeks and then after the 27th it goes back to normal again
How do you have sex in the toilets at a virtual club? :/
@@ANGEL_BOB_YT if you set a reminder on yt it tells you the time in the correct time zone?
You should talk about how Spain is effectively on double summer time as it should be in the same geographical time zone as the UK, but they use the same time zone as Germany
First weeks after summer time change are horrible. In march days get big enough to get up in the morning after sunrise. And then the change brings back getting up at night for an extra month or more.
As a portuguese, I allways find weird that is the same time in Santiago de Compostela and Warsaw, but tecnically its at the same longitude as Lisbon.
this is even worse, because Portugal and galicia are both geographycaly in -1, but Portugal in in 0 and galicia in +1
in the 90's, Portugal tried to implement the +1 time to be aligned with the rest of the EU and spain, but it was a complete disaster. But thinking that this is the galician reality... year, after year, after year
@@Duck-wc9de As a Spaniard, I completely understand. I with we shared the same time zone as you guys, and we used to, until in WW2, our home grown fascist military dictatorship government decided to align with Berlin. Despite living in the east coast of Spain, I'm still west of the Greenwich meridian.
@@Duck-wc9de CET in Lisbon? Sunset at 11 pm? ;)
@@mikicerise6250 It happened in the 90's. Sometimes the sun only set at midnigth in Lisbon.
the suicide rate dropped 15% in those 3 years. but that waste only advantage, because the country was a disaster. kids couldnt wake up for school, etc....
We were about to change this here in Sweden, then the pandemic happened and now everyone's forgotten about it...
It was going to be an EU change as well and ye the pandemic post-poned it
@@DeeFourCee I’m happy. They said there was a poll taken… but if I remember well the majority of voters were from Germany who are in favor of abolishing it way more than other states
@@LoveDoctorNL just means germans are more open to polling :P
Just but the proposal was summertime all year round. Nor ideel.
@@perjohanaxell9862 The slaves will choose winter time, the people will choose summer time.
I just find it annoying personally, and with all my clocks now digital I’m never 100% certain if they did change over leaving me in fear I’ll be late for work. I say scrap it and if we really can’t cope and need more daylight hours then change the time of our work/school starts not change time itself it just seems annoying and unnecessary in this day and age.
Changing the time public institutions open twice a year would be far more inconvenient & confusing than DST. How would you get all the private businesses on board with them? People would likely be showing up early/late for several weeks having got used to starting work at say 10am & then having to remember it's now 9am. It'd be a nightmare for making future appointments around this time. People don't seem to be thinking this through.
@@leodivine so you're telling me that changing the schedule itself is worse than changing the clock? I couldn't agree with you tbh.
@@leodivine Those of us on shift work manage to adjust to starting at 10am one day and 4pm the next day. It's not that hard.
Here too I hate it with a passion
@@supernovan Rotating shifts is different to just twice a year. But even giving you that - how are we supposed to get all the private businesses to go to the trouble of changing their hours - some will some won't - it sounds messy. You may not like DST (fair enough) but it doesn't mean that this particular alternative is easier - it's not.
I would rather have simplified rules of time zones than constantly changing clocks while taking other countries rules of timekeeping into account. Some schools and businesses can change opening/closing hours seasonally to adjust for daylight.
Getting home from work and it already being dark out always feels depressing and hopeless to me in the winter months. I don’t mind dark mornings because I never use that for time to myself anyways. I get up and get ready for work. In the evenings I am much more likely to spend time outside.
"myself " that's the word. People need to care of themselves, to enjoy life; they need sunlight.
Some of us were trained like dogs to think that life is about spending it with artificial light 24/7 at workplace ...then later you find them depressed, and they don't know why.
@@hal6702 That doesnt change the fact that we aint gonna be able to use time between when we wake up and when go to work to do things... But we can use time after work to do things, if its light then.
Im antiwork and all but i accept the reality we live in and attempt to improve that reality as a step towards an end to the idea of work in the capitalist sense.
@@SylviaRustyFae That's why I'll keep the summer time all year round. In the morning I can use the headlights, if needed, as drive to work.
Me, I need sunlight to enjoy my free time.
" time between when we wake up and when go to work" I use it to listen to some CZcams channel(-s) on my Bluetooth headsets while preparing to go to work.
@@hal6702 Im the kind of person who literally cant do anything within two hrs of havin to go somewhere; it makes me overly anxious ill be late or lose track of time or not be able to get rdy fast enuf and forget stuff...
So like, theres zero way i cud of used that time before headin into work back when i did still work. So it was just tauntin me with sunlight i cudnt enjoy while takin away the sunlight i cud enjoy.
As a Spaniard (that should share the UK's time zone and yet still uses CET) I'm at double summer time right now, and I was at summer time yesterday. I will tell you this, it messes with my sleep schedule to no end. I'm an insomniac, and so, I value every single minute of sleep I can get, and losing an hour when the clocks move forward will mess me up for a week at least. "gaining" one hour in autumn just means that I get to spend one more hour in bed, awake, cursing the world, for a week, until my body adjusts.
Double summer time is the best!
one thing I love is that in Spain in the summer the sun sets so late
"it messes with my schedule" - what do Spaniards even do other than siestas and fiestas? You're a country full of snorlaxes
Same in France, we're stuck on double summer time and being so out of synch with the sun is the worst.
Also, last week it was daylight when I woke up, it was a lot more motivating and easy, now we're back to full night and I just want to go hibernate.
While not really being an insomniac, my sleep patterns are easily disturbed, so on each hour change it takes me at least a month of bad sleep, being overtired and cranky and hungry at the "wrong" time before getting in the new rhythm, so I feel for you and wish you the best.
@@_asphobelle6887
On 30 March 2024
Paris France
Sunrise 6:31am
On 31 March 2024
Clocks set forward 1 hour
Sunrise at 7:29am after clocks change
On 26 October 2024
Sunrise 8:28am
On 27 October 2024
Clocks set back 1 hour
Sunrise 7:30am after clock change
There is a much bigger seasonal effect in Scotland than in the South of the UK due to the higher latitude. Also, the UK tilts to the West so Scotland is further towards the Western edge of the GMT time zone. BST in Winter means the sun not rising until well after 09:00. Retaining BST during Winter was tried in the late 60s with very unpleasant results for Scotland. I remember going to primary school in the pitch dark.
Independence? Then you can vote on it.
In Stockholm, which is more north than the north of Scotland, but not very north for Sweden (more people live south of Stockholm than north of it though) it's basically just accepted that children will go to school in darkness. A lot of them will go home in darkness as well.
It wasn't just in Scotland that that kids went to school in the dark. In northwest England I had the same experience and it was miserable and depressing. It's only those that live in the southeast of England, who would see little difference, that think changing would be a good idea.
If Scotland goes independent, and rejoins the EU, maybe they could use CET instead and sta on it all year round?
I remember that too it was horrible. To s hool dark coming home dark. Hours sun at playtime
A five year experiment starting in 1968 was abandoned after 2 years because it was so unpopular. It was still dark in London at 10 am on the shortest days, and dark again by 6 pm. Many workers did not see daylight for several weeks. The claim that road deaths were reduced during this period has recently been revised. The new drink driving laws which were introduced around the same time are now accepted as the reason for the reduction.
I think we could use the DST argument to shorten the working day - the real problem. Say if we had a 10-5 working day - we could stick to summer time. We'd have brighter winter evening commutes without the dark morning commutes & our summer evenings would still be the same.
I feel like the 'working day' itself is an outdated concept. As long as the hours of work are done, it shouldn't matter what time people come or leave.
If this 'working day' concept was less common, rush hour wouldn't be as big of a problem, and people could decide themselves if they want sunlight or not for their commute.
Surely our own schedules should be more flexible than the universal constant that is time.
@@John-Smlth Fair enough - I'm all for optimizing people's freedom - but what you're talking about is a much larger thing - that may work if you're on your own self-sufficient plot of land. But even our ancient ancestors had to agree to be at the same time & place to co-ordinate as groups when hunting larger animals & erecting stone monuments. It would be too inefficient to do that for certain things in modern society without calendar time.
@@leodivine I don't think I'm being quite as radical as you think I am. Sure, large scale change would be great, but even small changes like encouraging people to come in late if they don't have meeting commitments in the morning, or having changes in time for the schools rather than the country. Surely it's more logical for certain buisnesses and institutions to change work hours twice a year than to have the whole country change time.
But yep, I do agree that having people working at the same time is important for many jobs, and the way I suggested changes at first wouldn't of fit well with that.
Being radical would be saying something like the whole world should use UTC as their timezone... That's something I honestly believe is true too, but I can see the change in the system might not be worth the benefits it would give.
@@John-Smlth I disagree with you on getting certain businesses & institutions to change their times twice yearly. You're opening up a legalislative can of worms. How do you get them all to do it? What if they don't want to? What about the people working there? So on... DST is much simpler. Back to my original point - we could use the DST debate to shine a light on the fact that the working day is really too long. If the working day was never so long - it's possible we never would've even conceived of DST in the first place.
Or we could have an 8-4 or 9-4 and mid-day could stay at 12pm instead of us moving mid-day permanently to 1pm. It used to be traditional to work 7-1:30 in Germany.
I absolutely HATE when it gets dark so quickly in the evening, I wish we could keep daylight savings year-round
Me too
I love this time of year because my car clock is correct for 6 months
Time for a DAB car stereo. The clock will always be right, all through the year.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b where's the fun in that !!!!😀
@@peterthompson1462 For starters, who in their right mind wants to be lumbered with FM radio which have existed since the 1980s?
Moreover, there are a hundred times more DAB radio stations compare to legacy FM stations. Also, the song and artist information being shown on the screen is all but guaranteed with DAB.
If a driver’s car does not have DAB, then they are at least 10 years behind the times.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b it really was meant to be a throwaway comment , not a discussion on the relative merits of different radio formats.
it's 7 months though !
Wouldn't it be better to make the "working day" 8AM-4PM rather than 9-5? Am I missing something else that DST accomplishes? 9-5 just seems arbitrary and lopsided when you consider that the middle of your work day isn't mid-day.
Alternatively why don't we globally adopt UTC (and stick to it year-round), and recognise that the casualisation of employment has made most scheduling unmanageable.
I know Arthur C. Clarke suggested this at one time. Adopting UTC solves nothing.
If I calculate things right, when the day changes at midnight UTC, it is 7pm on the east coast and 4pm on west coast USA. What do the South Americans and North Americans get for that besides a date change in the middle of the day? The Chinese would have a date change in the morning.
If I visit Shanghai or Santiago, Chile, what time is lunch service available in restaurants? When can I switch to hard liquor while there?
Besides, software can convert local date/time to UTC for helping the user figure out when things occur in multiple time periods.
I don't want to start until 10.
In the summer in Scotland the sun never properly sets, and in the winter we only get about 6 hours of daylight, so we probably wouldn't notice if DST was scrapped!
Hey, I think you guys missed a non-english perspective. People who live further north have much less sunshine in the winters. For example Glasgow sunrise can be about 40 minutes later than London. In winters it's a huge help having daylight to start the day. All the negatives are fair but you missed a huge positive for us
Really noticed it this year, we had a 3 month old puppy at the solstice in Ayrshire. Sunrises after 9am already, and we were getting up and out at 6
Non-English + Non-Welsh
@@Rolando_Cueva =2non-(english+welsh)
The northern perspective, in my region we have multiple weeks in the winter with 0 sunlight and multiple days in summer with 24/7 sunlight. Makes summer/winter time useless.
"start the day" to do what ? Go to work. Guess what ? you can use artificial light.
"end the day" to do what ? Enjoy it for yourself.
It becomes clearly that this is a fight between the people trained like dogs to think that life is working for the master 24/7 and those who know that people, like any other organisms, need sunlight.
Giving everyone jetlag twice a year is clearly a brilliant system, and the only way to improve upon it would be to add more clock changes to shift things further - maybe fix sunrise at the Greenwich Observatory at 7am and add/subtract minutes and seconds at 2am new time each day?
We could randomize the hour offset every week just to ensure we get the most jetlags.
@@genstian Lets just get rid of clocks and randomly notify people when the next day is
@@Komorodonrawr nah lets just get rid of all timekeeping, that way we can just guess what time we're supposed to be doing things.
@@MatBird93 Or we could just use seconds since 1. january 1970, like computers do. that way we can put a lot more math into schools.
the jatlag is only one day
My body always struggles with the clock change, so in the past couple of years we just kept the routine. So from March we get up at 6:30 and after October we get up 7:30, so my rhythm stays to the same.
I guess you don't 'TravelWell' then.
I never really understood this my clock is already mixed up I'm one of these people who do things whenever I like meaning sometimes I mix up my clock myself just by getting up an hour early or something like that or deciding to stay up hours late I don't understand how some people like you have a regular sleeping pattern I certainly don't and I would struggle with it myself People like me don't feel the effect of an hour because it's equivalent on me just waking up an hour early because I do do that some weekends I'll wake up an hour early and now I'll get hungry earlier and I will eat an hour early
@@ANGEL_BOB_YT 6:30? You mean PM right :D
The sun doesn't care and will change midday 18 minutes up or down over the year.
That’s the wrong way round surely?
I love it when the clocks go forward, leaving work at 6:30pm and there's still sunlight makes my day feel longer. I'd happily keep to BST all year round.
The mornings are darker, though. Having BST in winter would be way worse in the mornings. They get dark enough as is. I prefer keeping to GMT year-round. Remaining on UTC +0 is also important, since the world’s timezones are in relation to Greenwich Mean Time, the time in London. If we abandon that, we won’t be on GMT anymore, and will no longer be on 0.
This is the unfortunatest case of not knowing what you've got until it's gone. Majority of people will miss the benefits of the time change.
You gotta go to work in the dark if you keep BST in winter
@@BoraCM and WHAT ? There are headlights, street illumination, you know. Many buildings still need artificial light all day long. The slaves will agree with you because that's their life purpose: work for the master. The rest will like to enjoy their free time and the sunlight.
@@hal6702
If you get up at 7:30am in December it’s dark outside
Setting clocks forward 1 hour will change to 8:30am
Sunset in London at 3:51pm change forward 1 hour to 4:51pm
After moving to Western Australia, which never changes its clocks, I am 100% convinced that this is for the best.
London has the lowest average rainfall of all the major European cities. Why do we always joke about the wet weather in the UK? It's objectively untrue
because manchester also exists in the UK and not all of the UK is London
@@supremeleader9838 😂😂
A video about DST in the EU context would be nice. We've been teased with fixing this BS for years now and it's still not done.
Wish they'd get rid of it! Over 100 years ago I could understand the reasoning, but now it is beyond pointless.
Last October when they went back, I was on nights, so it was a 13 hour shift. When they went forward last night, on days today. Definitely can feel that hour's less sleep today! 😴
Last time this idea was seriously floated it was pointed out that some parts of Scotland wouldn't see sunrise until 10 am in the winter. One Scotish commentator called it "An English conspiracy to keep Scotland in darkness"
As a Scot I'd rather we just stayed 30 minutes ahead year round instead of these silly changes.
Best time is to have noon as close to the mean noon time in the area.
Simply put: GMT/UTC only.
I am Swedish and asking me the same thing.
Why do we even have daylight saving time?
"Generally, the darkness creeps in from both sides." Yes, I can confirm that this concurs with my personal experience.
Firmly in the "BST all year round" camp here.
Nah, just be honest about what the time is... all you're really doing is telling people to go to/from work/school/etc an hour earlier, but fewer people are working the old classic 9-5 anymore anyway... let schools just pick their times to make most sense for them (eg, staggering the start times means less school rush traffic). Employers will just eat up that extra hour in the evening as they want to serve the people who are awake. There's a reason we do things when we do them, such as because sun light helps people wake up. The effects of setting clocks permanently +1 will disappear as people simply start settling into a +1 routine.
Agreed. Stick to summer time all year round and stop this war time stupidity.
I can't decide if this comment was intentionally or unintentionally quite dark.
@@jonatanrullman Well, when you noticed it was dark, did that darkness approach from a single direction or did it creep in from both sides?
@@annoloki Yeah, that makes sense to me too, but if you suggested maybe we start work or school at 10 instead of 9, the cacophony from the, let's say, more traditional segment of society would be deafening. They'd claim it was proof that the laziness and decadence of our society knows no bounds and in my day we got woken up by the sergeant major at 4am in time to scrub the doorsteps and do a few rounds of sums in pounds, shillings and pence, or whatever.
No, just changing the clocks so they can satisfy themselves nobody's sleeping in, that's the way to go.
You forgot to mention that in the late 60s there was a 3 year period of sticking to BST (then renamed British Standard Time), I remember waking to school in the dark. It was cancelled as it wasn't very successful.
I'd rather wake up to school in the dark than than come back from school in the dark tbh
There probably weren't many street lights around then. Personally I also think Scotland should stay on standard time and England can probably stay on DST giving that their more East anyway.
In June 2016 the British public voted to turn the clocks back precisely 40 years
If only we could, the world would be a lot better place.
When I went to school in the Lake District it was sunrise when I went in and sunset on my way home. I didn't get any extra daylight 😂
Honestly, besides cricket, so little of people’s activities actually depend on sunlight anymore. The clock changing madness needs to stop!
I remember when I was young in 1968-1971
(not my imagination I checked it online ,
although I thought it was just a year ) we changed to BST all year long - It was abandoned because it was unpopular, I liked it.
I'm South African and to me this day light savings time seems to work backwards. To me it makes more sense to push the clocks forward in the winter so that people don't commute to work in darkness.
I used to live in Zimbabwe, one of the benefits of living in the tropics is that the change between summer and winter time's sunset is one hour, and it's never been a thing. Ever since I moved to the UK and had to change the clocks, I've hated it.
Actually, if the clocks spring ahead in the winter that makes it worse. If the sun wasn’t going to rise until 8:30 before the time change, jumping the clocks ahead means the sun would now not rise until 9:30. That’s why the clocks are moved back in the winter.
That makes more sense actually. Plus the cold winter days drag on and on. Putting the hours quicker would be easy.
I'm now 66 years old, and all my life I've thought that the clock changes were a totally stupid thing to do .
After watching this video, I can now understand why it was done in the first place, but not to carry on with it all these years, it needs to be stopped, and stay with BST
Lol jokes on you. In Turkey we're stuck at daylight saving time ALL YEAR ROUND!! IN WINDER SUN RISES AT 9 AM
I'd take that over having to change clocks at all tbh
In Scotland on summer our sun rises at 4am and sets at 11pm
In winter it rises at about 8-9am then sets at 3-5pm depending on time of winter
@@vatnidd We thought the same but going to work in darkness then coming from work in darkness it too hard.
@@patenlikoyun
Yes correct
Turkey doesn’t change the clocks
They didn’t like setting clocks back 1 hour to Standard time due to early sunset in winter
The sunset was at 4:35pm in Istanbul because the clocks were changed
In 2016, turkey remained on Daylight Saving Time all year
Now sunset at 5:35pm in Istanbul as the clock didn’t change
Changing the clocks to standard time in winter makes sunrise and sunset earlier resulting in lighter mornings
i have to get up at 4 am to get ready for work, last thing i want to hear is that i have to get up at 3 am >(
Frankly, I think swapping from GMT to BST and back again is completely redundant in the digitised 2020s and there are a lot of minor headaches caused by communicating with others in different timezones. Surely it would be simpler to just stick to GMT and alter school/work hours around that instead.
Surely re-timetabling is more hassle for everyone than simply relying on the internet automatically changing our clocks in our "digitised" world.
I find it harder to adjust the older I get. Also I keep chickens, and tend to get up shortly before sunrise each day to let them out and then shortly after sunset, I put them to bed. I like this, it somehow makes me feel more in tune with the natural cycles of nature. The clock changing twice a year really messes with this as my brain tries to reconcile the abrupt artificial change in clock time with the progressive natural change in sun time.
Even if you think it's a good idea, why change every clock in your house, when you can just change one - your alarm clock. Start work at 8 instead of 9am during the summer, you'll still get a longer evening. The idea that twice a year an hour can happen twice in one day or not at all is simply ridiculous.
True but your Employer doesn't think like that. The main difference is that changing the clock backs enables the government to change all working environments start and end times.
But all those hours are just man defined.
The idea an hour exists. As one 24th of hhe time for the earth to revolvd around its axis. Why 24? Is just as ridiculous.
@@danielwebb8402 I agree. Time is just an idea that we can make whatever we want it to be. Of course standardisation helps
Actually employer does, it's called flexitime. It's not that unusual these days.
"Office hours" is just a convention, the government could encourage a new convention. They could also get all schools to open and close an hour earlier during the summer.
@@jasonshallcross2741 yeah true. I think a more modern society should do this. Not sure if our society is modern enough for this change though.
I think stay on GMT and adjust the schedule of the country to align with the summer time.
Wouldn't that be the same problems/ traits?
Your life would still have shifted by an hour. Just the naming convention of the time hadn't.
If we had GMT all year round, in June it would get light in London at 2:55am.
@@danielwebb8402 shifted once and then no more times.
@@wyntog is that correct?
I swear it isn’t that drastic.
Regardless, adjust the time to have the best balance throughout the year and keep it as that forevermore.
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But the light shifts every year.
Between summer and winter.
Unless you are going to remove earths tilt?
Once and forever.
Banked time is far superior to savings time because you simply extend the working hours to more cover more day time in the Summer then reduce the working hours in Winter and you are paid the same because the extra hours in Summer are banked for the Winter. Also ideal for school children that can travel home in daylight both ends of the day with this more flexible system in place. Removing saving time benefits our pets too.
Or work more hours in the winter months when it is cold and dark and you are likley to be inside anyway, then work less hours in the the summer months so you can spend more time outside?
Banked time? Interesting concept.
Try being a shift worker when day light savings finishes and your 12 hour night shift has now turned into a 13 hour
Worked night shift last autumn and worked the extra hour, just done a night shift and worked one hour less.... evens out!
This subject has been discussed for Scotland specifically for many years.. the idea would be that Scotland and Iceland would have their own time zone, it would be GMT, but the daylight savings time wouldn't exist meaning time would be static. This makes a lot of sense as the north of Scotland is a lot further away from London than say.. Paris is, and France has its own time zone.
As a kid growing up in Australia, I loved daylight savings also Xmas holidays is in summer, so it meant extra play time in the evening
The main problem is that both north/south division on which time to choose. Then also which timezones to acutally use. Because frankly the outer edges of any zone suffer either way.
Scotland and Ireland use standard year round while England and Wales use DST year round, sorted.
Having lived in London then moved to Manchester i noticed in Summer Manchester has longer days but in winter shorter days . One reason I often heard for not changing the clocks was in Scotland in winter more darker hours and politicians didn't want to lose votes.
Problem is it makes winter so dark and grey, and england is mostly grey and raining even in the summer. It's so annoying
Agreed. I'm in an online gaming guild with people from across the world and not all of them share this nonsense or they have their own time when they do it so it just causes bother.
The bullshit excuse about kids going to school in the dark is bullshit. There's street lighting, most kids are either driven in or bussed in and those that walk are walking through streets in towns and cities which are lit.
this video has some amazing images shout out to the hammer lad in 7:03 Great TLDR Lads keep up the good work
A lot of car collisions in dark because of other reasons like people won't admit they need glasses along with drink and drunk drivers etc etc.
I detest daylight losing. We should stay on daylight savings/summer time all year round. More hours of sunlight in the evening, when people will use it most makes far more sense.
*DAYLIGHT SAVING F-KING SUCKS* I agree 100% I feel like crap today and it will take me a week to acclimatise
I personally don't really care. Since all my clocks are digital, I barely notice other the "Huh, that's weird. Why is it so late/early? Oh yeah!" twice a year. For me time is so arbitrary. I wake up when my alarm goes off and I go to sleep when I feel sleepy. Never track how much I've slept and if I do feel tired - I just have a cup of coffee and just push through. Though I do understand people affected by it - even though it's impossible to emphasize and comprehend their difficulties.
Yes. This is the unfortunatest case of not knowing what you've got until it's gone. Majority of people will miss the benefits of the time change.
Yeah, I think it’s so funny that all my clocks now update on their own so this really isn’t even much of an annoyance for me anymore… and now they’re doing away with it in the US 😆
I find it kind of funny that rather than just adapting our routines to accomodate for these daylight shifts, we have to change time itself. Is it really that crazy that schools and businesses could adopt flexible hours that change a few times a year? We've been incredibly open to the idea of flexible working during the pandemic but still can't get our heads around the idea that the entire country will fall apart if every business isn't open from 8am-6pm all year round. The economy would benefit a lot if people could actually use services while they weren't, you know, stuck at work on the exact same schedule. The whole idea of a rigorously structured week might have worked during the industrial revolution but it doesn't really apply as well to a service economy as much as we'd like to believe.
This is all news to me. Never knew it had anything to do with the war.
Here in Canada, we always thought it had to do with giving the farmers more sunlight to work in the fields.
We need permanent daylight saving. So hyped that the US Senate passed it, and it'll be a same if the House just let's it die.
We need permanent GMT. DST delays the onset of morning light and our circadian clock depends on morning light to be in proper alignment. This messing of our circadian clock has profound negative health effects. Evidence shows that later sunrises/sunsets can contribute to increased rates of cancer, obesity, diabetes and heart attacks.
Indeed. People need sunlight.
@@labrat256 No, I prefer permanent DST. I'd rather have an extra hour of sunlight in the afternoon when I'm awake instead of in the morning when I'm (usually) still sleeping. and besides its better for the economy. ofc the best solution is letting individual states decide, after all, states closer to the equator will benefit more from permanent DST than states farther away from it.
@@labrat256 Permanent DST would be better, I'm Scottish and would rather have it for Winter so that I can enjoy daylight until 4.30 rather than 3.30. People complain about the mornings being dark but seem to not mind the afternoons being pitch black which I honestly don't get. Iceland uses it year round and their even further North than us!
@@ShrunkedDude My argument is that people complaining should matter less, compared to the increased heart attacks, strokes and depression, with associated hormone imbalances.
Permanent DST would cause that for millions of people, affecting not only them but also health services in the long term.
We're only human and our bodies work this way. We shouldn't fight that because people like a bright evening.
Ever since smart phones and automatically changing alarm clocks I never even notice the change, I only realised the clocks changed because of this video. But I realise that i’m probably in the minority with this opinion.
me toooo
As someone who has friends and contacts in several places around the world, the thing that blows the biggest fuse in my head is having to juggle with which countries change their clocks when. Like, UK changes on, say, the 3rd Sunday in March, US changes a week before, Australia changes (in the other direction) on the 2nd weekend in April, or whatever. So trying to set up a conversation between all three is one stop short of impossible.
The funniest thing about DST is that Windows lies to you. If you are in Ireland or the UK, take a look at your timezone settings. It will say GMT even though you are on summer!
You dont get one hour extra or less by turning the clock back or ahead in terms of sleep.
I assume people will turn on the lights when its dark and etc...
I quite frankly get annoyed when i have to do it in my own country for daylight savings and winter.
I don't understand any arguments (in favor of DST) made in this video, the sun doesn't change just because we modified our clocks.
Lol
Yes but it changes what time are active maximising that time. But DLST only benefits winter so why not just stick with winter time
No, it doesn't. What DST does is offset sunrise and sunset with 1 hour. This means that you get one hour less daylight in the morning and get one in the evening - where it is useful to the majority of us.
lack of imagination?😁
Ah, thanks. I remember living in Australia a few years ago, in Queensland then in New South Wales. Queensland does not have DST, NSW does. At first I thought QLD were backward for not wanting it because I could not see beyond the pleasure of late sunshine when I visited Sydney in December. Then I moved to Sydney and realized the horror of summer time throughout January-March. At 4 p.m. you still have midday heat on the hottest of days, and can't sleep at night because long sunshine hours = no cooling down indoors.
And before I forget, the savings in energy consumption are meaningless.
Over in the US, the Senate actually passed a bill to make federal DST permanent. Almost unanimously, even.
12 o'clock is supposed to be the time when the sun is at its highest simple as that.
Why the state feels its okay to mess up my sleep by changing the time twice a year is beyond me.
Also wanting less sun in the morning and more in the evening makes it harde for everyone who have difficultys getting up in the morning as if society wasn't already baiast towards the early birds as it is.
Amen to the society being biased bit.. Fuck the early birds, us late owls/night owls exist too, and we are not going to magically change overnight just because some morons said to do so
Yep! People talk about the rise in car accidents etc when the clocks change, but there's also all the killing I do to vent my frustration
You're missing a major reason why switching to permanent DST would be a terrible idea. The majority of people have a circadian cycle of slightly more than 24 hours (which tends to result in these people wanting to go to bed and get up later) and the lack of sunlight in the winter mornings actually has measurable negative consequences there, mainly because it results in less sleep overall.
DST doesn't magically make more sunlight, it only moves it to the time when you're _more likely_ to actually experience it (i.e. when you're not locked in school/office/factory).
At the cost of having to get up in complete darkness in the winter. Which is precisely my point...
At the end, you remind me of Tom Scott ranting about time zones 😂
The risk of stroke increases in the elderly when the clocks change, due to them suddenly sleeping and waking earlier or later than they were previously in such a short period. Car accidents are also more likely to occur due to someone getting fewer sleep, it's an actively harmful and useless practice.
I've never found daylight savings hard to deal with. I can't imagine how people who do would deal with going on holiday. If we didn't put the clocks forward in summer, the sun would start to rise at 3am in June. If we didn't use GMT by putting them back again, it wouldn't start to rise until 9am, and that's in the south, it would be another hour more extreme in Scotland. So, in the interests of public wellness, I think it's right that we make the most of our days. Infact I would advocate for putting our clocks forward by 2 hours, but perhaps at the end of April instead of the end of March and then back to GMT at the end of November. A 4am sunrise in June is still a big waste. Either that, or we stop being so soft and come to terms with how far north we actually are in the world and demand health and safety educational campaigns and measures of our government to help us better deal with the wild variations of our lengths of days. You could mandate a bank holiday after each change of the clocks to give us a chance to adjust, or shift (even shorten *GASP*) the hours that people work and go to school in the winter.
Daylight savings is unnecessary in equatorial nations like Colombia, Kenya, and Singapore, as well as polar areas like Iceland or southern Argentina and Chile. It's those in-betweeny areas, like the UK, the US and South Africa where it can hit hardest. So rather than just saying "ban it!" we need to re-assess why we're doing it and adjust accordingly. If we do scrap it, then we need to start taking several leaves out of Scandinavia's book on public wellness and learning to understand our northerly latitude, rather than using Daylight Savings as some kind of cushion to our ignorance that we're very normal and very in the middle of everything. We're not. We're Northern Europe.
Totally agree, it's hardly life changing to have to plan around getting slightly less sleep once per year.
I guess you've never heard of jetlag then? People do struggle going on holiday. Besides timezones are a crucial necessity.
@@jammydoughnut it's also unnecessary too though. Doing something because you always has it stupid.
@@bradavon I personally like it this way and don't want to change it
@jess right, I understand the discussion in the US. There daylight savings isn't really important. But here it makes a difference. The sun rising at 5am midsummer screws my sleeping way more than the switch itself does. Without DST it would be 4am
Why can't there be a referendum on it? I think more referendums would be a good thing..
We do love anything connected "to The War". We'll be getting Churchill quotes next.
Can you recall the regulation nightmare when Germany introduced day light saving with regard to hotel overnight costs? When the clocks went forward the room charge was to be reduced by certain percentage as to the weekend the clocks went back, all reflecting the availability room usage the customer enjoyed.
Personally, coming from CET, I love DST. I love the fact that in the summer you have more sunlight and a day that seems even longer than in reality. Where I live, the sun comes up between 4:30 and 5:00 in the summer, WITH DST. Without it, it would be day at 3:30 when even the butchers and bakers (people whom we stereotypically take as examples of people getting up early) are still sleeping. And for tourism, later sunset and later sunrise are great. Everyone wants to have a longer day, and nobody likes leaving the club in the morning with the sun already up.
I believe that these things are something we take for granted now. There was enough need and want for it back when DST was introduced that it was obviously needed, or at least it was seen in that light. Now we take it for granted and want to eliminate it because of what are, tbh, trivial inconveniences. I know people will start enumerating all the problems (biological clocks in some people, pets not having a clue what is going on, so on) but nobody will start enumerating the positive sides which are equally as trivial but are conveniences to people (farmers nit having to get up as early, some dynamics and change in life which breaks the daily routine and makes days the same the whole year and so on).
I am currently in Galicia for a longer period, I love that the sun sets later, and I completely forgot about the time shift last night until this afternoon when I entered a bus and saw a clock which had not been moved.
But why is France and Spain GMT+2 right now when much of those countries are west of the UK?
I strongly agree with you! As child I couldn't understand why we changed the clocks and I found it annoying but nowadays I realise how sunlight has a direct impact on my health and well-being. I agree that the positive effects are being taken for granted and not being properly assessed in this equation.
Compared to 100 years ago when it was first introduced, I'd say the argument for getting rid of it, based on circadian rhythms is more important.
Back then there was no way one could predict that we would be working with the harsh blue lights of computer and mobile screens.
And while more of those screens are giving consumers options to use warmer lights, we are still seeing bright blue light that naturally makes us inclined to stay up, magnitudes more often.
So in society where it is more difficult than ever to maintain one's circadian rhythm, then removing DST could help alleviate it.
How? Well it would probably be best to just stick with BST now that we are on it, (if the call was made during the winter then to stick GMT).
When talking about schools, well it is just the reality of living in a very northern latitude country. Most of England is on the same latitude as Canada and Southern Siberia - and we would be a tundra island if it were not for the Gulf Stream. Also as other commenters have pointed out, Scotland is even darker and is not really helped by it anyways.
I don't have a problem with the changing clocks but, if we are going to abandon it, I hope we stay on summer time, not GMT.
“An advantage is that people will spend more money”?? Considering record personal debt rates, this is not an advantage to people. Stating that it is “good for the economy” is a dubious claim. Oil spills, earth quakes, and fires are “good for th economy”, but they are not things we want as a society. Be careful when using the phrase “good for the economy” as it usually translates to “good for corporate profits” and not “good for people”.
Give me a break, how difficult is it to change the clock twice a year, behave yourself. I remember when we ran on BST for the whole year back in the very early 70s. As I live quite far north it wasn't properly light until about 9:30. Bad enough when going to school but it must have been a bit of a nightmare for guys working outside on building sites or on farms.
This is such a stupid discussion every time the clocks change. I love the extra daylight hours you get from changing the clocks. It's worked just fine since the early 1900s, no need to change it now.
Also changing the clock is not really an issue nowadays. Modern clocks / cellphones are set automatically. I don't even notice the time shifting until somebody brings up this discussion.
And I hate how it gets dark at 5pm in the winter because when it's actually 6 we make it 5. It puts children at danger coming home from school. It's not worked fine since the 1900s. It's bad for our health too. Look up the evidence against it.
We should just move the time by 30min in the middle. That sounds perfect in my opinion.
They scrapped this for a while in the 60s, as I remember going to school in the pitch dark. It was frightening.
No offence but it’s not the 60s anymore, we have better street lights and cars have more powerful headlights, the argument about the 60s experiment is pointless as saying ban Ships because some sank..
Noon is when the sun is highest in the sky. If you want to wake up earlier - set your alarm earlier.
I've not known of a kid that bothered with the amount of daylight hours to get home from school. After school practice, extra tuition classes etc all made no difference to the experienced the non existent daylight hours
Every kid looks forward to summer, partly due to the sunny evenings. DST makes that happen sooner.
Apparently a lot of people get out of bed at 4 AM during summer breaks.
I want them to keep summer time all year round. The sun setting at 4:00pm in the middle of December is so depressing.
Little note on fewer accidents during the lighter periods of the day: bad drivers. “Oh, there’s more light out, there’ll be fewer accidents today”. Just drive sensibly. Cars have headlights. Keep to speed limits, be observant and stop waiting for external factors to help peoples driving. I hate when people say about winter conditions, (fog, ice, etc.), that it makes the roads more dangerous. Peoples bad driving makes the roads more dangerous.
Dont get plastered the evening before.
Daylight savings is stupid lol
We have stopped using daylight saving in Turkey. It has been 4-5 years and there is no one content with the system. You wake up go to work/school etc and you don't get light until 8-9am. Overall mood of people goes down. People are not motivated to work and go to school when it's dark bcs everyone is used to go to work when there is light. Also you use electricity in the morning instead of evening. For an individual it just cripples. (no offence to nordic ppl)
so you changed to summertime all the year? That's bad.There are talks of doing the same here (Spain) and I hate the idea. I think Sun light in winter mornings is more important for people mood than longer evenings.
@@mantabletin935 yea it has been 4-5 years and we don't change time. It affect psychology so much and it is not wise. European counties can just look at how us or other counties feel before deciding.
In February, the USA made DLS permanent. I'd like to see a story on that over on the TLDR USA channel, please.
There were a lot of "correlation must mean causation" presented in this argument, like male suicide rates.
Daylight savings does actually have a good intact on the people around me, people that live above, let's say, Danmark since the days actually are pretty short during winter.
I'm not saying that we should keep it for everyone because it helps some people, what I'm saying is that it isn't as black and white like you make it sound like, especially with a thumbnail like "Daylight savings fucking sucks"
Should have been "Daylight savings isn't as important as it once was" or "Daylight savings, is it still relevant?" but this channel sure does love to clickbait it's fans so I understand
I would like the Government to scrap daylight saving and stay on British summertime. There is big cost to industry having to implement this change twice a year, it avoids disrupting natural rhythms - particularly spring forward where you lose an hour's sleep, and I personally prefer the lighter winter evenings as I find they are better for my mental health.
What are these huge costs to industry?
Natural rhythm is your body following daylight. Which is basically what the clocks changing is doing.
This is the unfortunatest case of not knowing what you've got until it's gone. Majority of people will miss the benefits of the time change.
I hate clocks going forward. Ruins my sleep for half the year. Never feel right until the clocks go back.
I can see why they do it because it's useful to have 1+ hour in the evening. But then changing them back in October is what confuses me. Just put the clocks forward and then leave them alone, permanently!
@@catguy4996 October is the correct time though. Just leave it at the correct time permanently.
@@gm2407Or they could do that, I don't really care. Whether the clocks go forwards or backwards, it should be done just once more and then left alone
@@catguy4996 Agreed.
Comments are amazing, love people saying how they hate it just because it annoys them not realising it is kind of important and not just for us to get more sun.