PT 8: "KENDRICK HAD THE UPPER HAND AS A CONSCIOUS RAPPER.." TALIB EXPLAINS HOW..DO YOU AGREE???
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1st... Kendrick won because he is the better rapper, point blank
Conscious rappers are always the better rappers. That's the whole point.
@@talibkweligreene1752
For the most part that is true, there are some exceptions though
@@talibkweligreene1752conscious rapper Common got cooked, conscious rappers are fuckin’ trash
Exactly!!!
That's it that's all
Kendrick was playing chess and Aubrey was playing uno😂
And Minecraft 😂😂🤣🤣
Man was playing temple run 😂😂
Actually Kendrick was playing chess & Aubrey was playin a Minorrrrrrrrr!!!!!😂😂
@@angelinaoliver5587dont forget Roblox 🤣🤣🤣
And ross was playing pickle ball
Kendrick beat drake on every scale you measure rap beefs on, It wasnt close. Ppl only give drake props because of his celebrity status thats it.
Fr even when it came to hit making abilities where drake shines kendrick outshined him that's crazy
No kendrick didn't even come close when it came to rap beef criteria. Repeating the same diss over and over using different creative ways would've never won a battle in the 90s. Being more lyrical didn't win either or big wouldn't destroyed pac. All the criteria people are using for kendrick today people didn't use during the greatest rap beefs EVER. Drake even said kendricks fans would do that and yall did lol.
@rosspeter2150 not reading all that but I'm sorry it happened to u
@@tahapunisherKdot is a better rapper... Drake is a better artist. But even if drake was dropping bombs he wouldn't of won. He's too popular
They jumped him
Math glazing Drake like Mal is crazy 😂
He been hard on this devil’s advocate thing as of late; he should give it up lol.
Math can't tell that his own music sucks, so not gonna take his opinion on other people's music
@@2MuckinFuchu foul for dat 😂😂😂
@@2MuckinFuchI’m crying 😂😂🤣🤣
@@2MuckinFuchbig factz 😂😂😂😂
Kendrick checks all boxes in both rap and hip hop.
They on here talking like Kendrick ain't THAT DUDE. This is low key hate on Kendrick and an attempt to rebuild Drake disguised as a deep discussion.
Y’all K dot Stan’s are rabid
Where was all yall fans when he drops his albums. Yall so deep he should easily sell over 800k everytime
@@Tuelz... Ikr the Kendrick fans should be thanking Drake for making him make music lol
@@Tuelz...Name one rapper that’s been doing that in their first week consistently? You’re talking about where are his fans his last project before his hiatus was DAMN and he sold 603,000 his first week and then he came back 6 years later selling 286,373 what are you talking about?
@@Tuelz...you’re just talking just to talk.
Drake is literally a character Aubrey plays that is intermixed with elements of Budden, Ye, Pusha, and Phonte and the sonics/commercial appeal of late 90s/early 2000s SupaFriends (Timbaland, Missy, Playa, Aaliyah, Ginuwine, Tweet)
And you forgot LL COOL love rap formula (I need LoveJ AND CRAIG DAVID
Which was dope for the time he did it
So, in other words, he was influenced by the artists who came before him like all artists are.
@@RapRants The influences aren't the most important takeaway from that statement. It's the character/role playing being done.
Kendrick smoked Drake. What's wild, is that was a Teddy Pendagrass sample at the beginning of Euphoria and 6:16 in LA is an AL green sample, that Drakes uncle played bass on, they had a record together called back to back.. Dot just different.
Yeah I just look that up that crazy because in Kendrick line in euphoria back to back I like that record in get back to back for the record then next song is al green sample whewwww the breakdowns on his songs 🔥
To add to your Teddy Pendagrass comment, Teddy actually got in a car crash and he was paralyzed. He was in a wheel chair (Degrassi reference) lol
@@mizah316 Woww that’s crazy and the fact that the word degrassi is in the word pendagrass sorta similar lol
@@lamaredward22 I was going to mention that too, but I thought I might be reaching lol
Wasn't the first time K Dot sampled that Teddy, he used a similar sample on For Sale (The Interlude). A more uptempo and looped version.
Kendrick swept that man . To keep it real he won with like that and euphoria.
It wasn't a sweep ma. You must be bias if u think that. FR. IJS
@@jayc5756 I lost count in the missteps drake had.. it really seemed effortless tbh.
@@jayc5756On god
@@Rayebae738 No missteps during the battle. They both did their thang.
@@jayc5756Like that and Euphoria were far better tracks than Push ups and that mediocre A.I track. Even if you substitute Like that with 6.16 in LA Kendrick would still win that round
Euphoria low key as far as bar for bar better than Family Matters.
Family Matters vs Meet the Grahams and Not Like Us. Obviously K Dot takes the W there as well, and both those tracks are more effective in more than one way. It's actually not hard to say he got swept.
Drake got easily defeated by Kendrick it is what it is 😂🤣😂
K Dot is the better musician. I always looked at Drake as pop singer. Very good at hooks! K-Dot a lyrical monster. 👿 K-Dot won! 🏆 no debates.
Accurate. Drake is one of the biggest Pop acts ever. If we talkin about strictly rap tho KDot murked Drake
But he wasn’t really flexing any lyricism is this battle
@@tee9753smh I swear ppl like you make me question the education system
That’s why the MJ and Prince comparisons make sense
Kendrick is a musician? Which instruments?
Kendrick that DUDE!!!!!Been that dude since Section 80!!!
Drake had the upper hand foh 🤣 every body was saying kendrick was boring and don't have bops like drake and he don't drop music as often foh. Every excuse in the book for drake.
Kendrick had the upper hand because he had years to hate and plan this shit while drake fresh off tour tired had to be on defense
@@str8koptv901Kendrick doing the same thing. You talking bout he tired like Kendrick ain’t tired as well.
No drake literally had no chance to win... it's almost like if Nikki and Cardi B battle. Cardi will win everytime because it's popular to hate Nikki. Same as Drake... they are too big. The only reason Meek Mill lost to drake was because he himself self sabotaged himself cus if he would of just dissed drake back normal and stayed off social media he would of won cus Drake is the bigger artist. If your the underdog especially in rap then you have all the fans wanting to see the top guy lose. It reminds me of Floyd... every fight if he wins they will says it's because this and that but if he ever lost they would clown him. It's because he's so popular they just wanna see him lose now
@@str8koptv901 glaze away
Y’all are trippin thinking Drake had the upper hand. Kendrick isn’t in the limelight like that at all. I said that from the beginning
Drake admitted he got his whole style from Joe when he started out. The tracks are still on CZcams too.
2pac had the same effect on me. He had songs that made you think as well as cras out.
The thing that sets Kendrick apart isn't being conscious or being technically skilled (though he is at the top level of both), it's his artistic sense. That's something a lot of great rappers just don't have. Kendrick has taste. I love the lyrical masters of rap, but none of them have the taste that Kendrick has. There aren't even a handful of rappers who could make an album like Mr. Morale, that's high art. It's not just brute force skill and it's not just the message itself. It's the tastefulness, the artistic sensibility. Nobody comes close to him on that aspect.
KDot the better rapper that’s facts.
To you
That's facts to intelligent ppl who can read past middle school level 💯
@@MiguelRDTto people that value bars and emcee'ing
@@GReid-ol5gk lmao then listen to boombap 90’s shit
@@telj1 huh? Lmaooo
There is nothing conscious about Drake .... Math be reaching ....
That part. I’m starting to think that people don’t know what words mean anymore. Talking about your own emotions and experiences is just “introspective”. Connecting your story to a bigger, community story is “conscious”. I wish Talib didn’t let that slide 🤦🏽♀️
Drake came in praising a lot of conscious rappers and his first mixtapes had a conscious vibe to them and displayed a lot more raps than hooks and singing
Calling drake great at anything musically after finding out he has reference tracks and ghost writers is nasty work
That is so ignorant. Most musicians don't write. You can say he is not a great rapper though
@@shotarokaneda7525 you all over the place, sounds like you a bbl fan and trying any and every way to defend the PDF file, but you know you can't fully so it just sounds stupid, but I get it nice try ....I said what I said
Question about the reference track. I seen the story but didn’t read it. Did Drake take the reference song, but write his own verses? Or did he re rap the whole joint as his own?
Because other rappers have reference tracks for songs. Jay-Z gave Fabolous a song. Migos wrote Apeshit for Jay and Beyonce. Hov just replaced the verses with ones he wrote. Happens all the time
The Mob Ties reference was basically the cadence and hook to the song. Drake did use pieces of the verse. I guess the issue is that the cadence is the best part and the energy of the song, the reference track sounds just as good as his Drake lol
I heard Kendrick has ghost writers too. I hope not. Considering how many ghost writers are out there though, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of rappers had ghost writers.
Why all these politically correct answers? Drake lost because Kdot is better. SAY IT!!!
Straight up
Still got a point, Kendrick connects with ppl so it was tilted his way from the git.
Your humor is on point, always puts a smile on my face!
Kendrick won because he’s a better lyricist why is that so hard to understand. That Drake was an underdog narrative needs to stop. When push ups dropped it was sz memes and push up memes.
Make no mistake, K. Dot from WEST SIDE BOMPTON PIRU, he just do lead with that. It's PLENTY of stories of bro running up on ppl, BEFORE rap. Also, yY'all keep calling dude a CONSCIOUS rapper, but so was 'Pac...
Bro 3ft tall he ain't running up on nobody.
Stop it bro, he never ran up on nobody and neither has he portrayed that
Why you on here lying bruh 😂
The internet is the reason for these type of bs comments.
ALL FACTS
he was just the overall better rapper. has nothing to do w/ style. bro used like 5 different styles? and beat his ass
Scarface was talking all that shit before Joe.
East coast always hates in west coast rappers
Why would you say that? In this very video you see East coast people giving much respect to Kendrick
@@powderedtoastfacekillah734 in general. East coast rappers by far have most negative opinions of ex rappers
@@malonetravis5785 yeah idk if that’s true anymore
Was definitely true back in the day. But I respect your opinion though
@@powderedtoastfacekillah734 all the major critics in my opinion have been east coast
@@malonetravis5785 no doubt. There’s definitely been bias over the years
Math is a Drake glazer
Kendrick won because he wanted it more. Point blank
At the beginning of his career Drake rode the Houston chopped and screwed sound to death pause.
He rarely ever talks about black consciousness his music for a while been soul less bubblegum records.
In his last album he said he don’t believe in god the song is called wick man.
Hiphop always had a balance of pop, consciousness, soul, street and lyrical skills but the last 10 yrs has been over saturation with bubble gum rap. It’s time for a re-leveling of quality hiphop music
Colonizer aint going to let
Drakes first mixtapes are way different than Octobers Very Own Mixtape. It had soulful raps and bars. He pivoted to get lit
Glad Mecc gave Joe his flowers on that Mood Muzik run. That emo rapping definitely inspired early Drake mixtapee
Low key I think Math was writing for Drake during this beef. He talking like he does whenever he loses a battle
Drake copies bars. He a fan fr.
Funny how people think drake won lol
Akademiks, Mal, and math need a show to glaze Drake lol cuz this is embarrassing
much love to Talib one of the realest rappers i’ve kicked it with 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
People think the nail in the coffin on Ether was "Eminem murdered you on your own shit", but the real nail was "You seem to be only concerned with dissing women, we're you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?" that's a line a conscious rapper would say.
Right
Ether was corny. It was a big success to many people, but that diss record wasn't too monumental that it derailed Jay. Jay went on to make more hit songs, more classic albums while Nas faded into obscurity.
1. Public Service Announcement (post-Ether)
2. Lost One (post-Ether)
3. Story of OJ (pe)
4. Whatever other song you like.
5. Watch the Throne
Nas is a dull rapper. You can't play Nas all day at a club, but you can play Jay songs for at least 10 songs straight and keep a party going.
It couldn't destroy Jayz because Nas only has insults for him, not actual facts that could hurt his credibility (dsl & camel face? Super Mega Pause for the first one and pause on the basis of judging a man by how he looks)
Essentially Nas vs Jay-Z was strictly a New York thing (don't argue with me) between two men of similar backgrounds, with similar spiritual traits, and character traits. Nothing exciting about that.
Kendrick vs Drake is God vs The Devil (6god) and everyone can benefit from watching God defeat Satan. People thought Satan would win and they always think that, that's why we have little faith in ourselves and God.
This wasn't a rap beef, it was a spiritual battle.
The New God MC: Kendrick Lamar
The Old God MC: Jay-Z
And isn't it funny that J Cole modeled himself after Nas? Number 2's for life lol.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 Nas faded into obscurity Post Ether. Ok , Define "Obscurity"
1. God Son Album (Made You Look, I can), Hip Hop Is Dead (A quote that has sparked converstions to this day), Collab Album with Damian Marley was a worldwide success, The Hit Boy 6 in his late forties won him a grammy, Illmatic is studied in Harvard university, Mass Appeal is the Source of Hip Hop History in the commercial space.
2 "You Owe Me" "If I Ruled the World" "Oochie Wally" "It Ain't hard To Tell" and "Got Yourself A Gun" Still get plays to this day.
3. The same old "Ether was full of lies" Truth: Jay stole biggie lines too much. Truth: Jay's girl songs were hyper-misogynistic at the time. Truth: Jay was hurt he never worked with Nas so he started beefing with Nas. Truth: Beanie was getting more love in the street than jay. Truth: Jay nearly did time for someone else stabbing UN. Truth: Jay took The Blueprint concept from KRS. Truth: Jay kept Nas' name in his music, he sample Nas for choruses TWICE!!. Truth: Nas retaliated to everyone in Roc A Fella BY HIMSELF!!
4. Jay got DESTROYED by Nas and Ether. after Ether, Roc-A-Fella Records ended and kanye West and Fiddy became the number one rappers in the game. Jay-Z meanwhile retired, sat behind a chair and played husband for two years before returning sloppily with Kingdom Come.
5. Well I don't know, are you a New Yorker? That would make sense if the character traits are familliar to you. Over here, in the UK, we studied the BARS!!! not the popularity and image contest.
and bro, Kendrick is nice, but NO Emcee is God, no Emcee needs their glizzy shined, just respect the talent and support what you want with your wallet.
@@theconsciousobserver6829tf you even talking about bro... you just called Nas music corny just because you can't pop your ass to it 😂? Kendrick doesn't make club music either, is he corny to you too 🤦🏾♂️? Nas has always made experimental, conscious, story driven music.. so of course his sales never compared to Jay. Jay has always aimed for mainstream $ and, he even admits in Moment of Clarity with his "lyrically Talib Kweli/ain't been rhyming like Common since" lines. Nas literally stayed in his own lane, never switched up for the booty shakers (except with Oochie Wally, bet you loved that one lol)... and still is getting nominated/winning Grammys with his current hit boy projects. Lmao @ faded into obscurity.
@@theconsciousobserver6829I’m a Jay fan but he lost stop it
Math glazing Drake made me lose more respect for him than all those Bag Fuel interviews flaming him for bad business put together.
Salute my brother 🙏🏾 💯
Styles talks conscious raps "gangsta" still....the duality of rap!
Math is compromised. 😂😂😂😂😂
...Mecca LOUD AND WRONG again. 808 WAS 08 So Far Gone was 09 THE INTRO TO SO FAR GONE IS KANYE S INTRO TO 808s. Get it together fellas.
Shootin at the meat industry was CRAZY lmfao
Danm, ain't this Drake's 2nd lost? (Pusha T/Kendrick)😂
Math brought back the best theme. “IT’S HOFFA!!!!”
Kdot is the MC Lyricist Drake is a rapper
Drake don’t even write his own raps!
Only truth Drake said was that Kendrick was short. If they both lying then Kendrick's lies were better.
Nebraska Tappin In
Trying to make Drake seem conscious at any point is wild
That Seven tape with SP🔥
Ol dude been eating good!!!!!...lol
For some reason ive been waiting on a Talib collab on here
THE BIAS ON THIS CHANNEL IS KILLING YOUR REACH. PEOPLE CAN SEE THRU IT. HOPE YALL FINALLY GET THAT INTERVIEW
Interesting.
The guy in the green is funny dude😂
I'm glad math fact checked the 808s sfg thing at the end.. the sound was already there
Drake’s “Consciousness Era” was also the era where he was cosplaying Little Brother’s Phonte.
Mood Muzik 2 is an all time great mixtape.
2:25 that’s RIGHT!
Ovhoee math 😂
Math tryna secure that interview
So nobody seen that 🤣🤣😩 nah that was crazy 😩😩
#FamilyMatters😎🚨‼️
You have to eventually grow up #artimitatinglife🎨
So far gone literally had 808s and heartbreaks instrumentals lol
If you gone play devils advocate at least make it make sense. 😂
@MathHoffa Drake's most conscious record on so far gone is a 808's n Heartbreaks record called Say What's Real
What was common excuse then?
He wasn't ready
Fall 2008 808s & heartbreaks came first then so far gone came at the top of the year in 2009. 2007-2008 Drake was still wheelchair Jimmy, his song that he actually had a video for call Replacement Girl was debuted on 106 & Park. The two mixtapes he had before that were cool but they were more like Cool Kids and Kidz in the Hall vibes.
I think most knew before it escalated, Drake was gonna get killed in this battle. How bad? That is what we didn't know and later found out.
Mecca had a fire take , you nailed it (emo rap)😅
Drake has the Worst fan base in Hip Hop/Rap
Math can’t go a clip without caping for Drake 😂
CONSCIOUS RAP OVER EVERYTHING ✊🏿
Right on
Drake literally had one of Kanye's beats on So Far Gone( Say you will)
Should’ve had Smart on here to really have an intellectual, in depth analysis on this topic fr
Could’ve sworn the said drake started conscious too lol. Dot just him man. No one expected this, but real fans knew pre Euphoria. I promise lol.
Drake freestyled over "Say You Will" (from 808's) on So Far Gone.
wE AGREE
Like 50 said when the world hate on you, you know winning in life , so know the world dnt like you no more 50 be on point he dnt care how no fans feel lol
So Far Gone was out years before 808s lol the re-released it on DSPs before Drakes debut album. You were wrong Math
No it wasn’t
Drake used the “Say You Will” beat as the intro on So Far Gone smh. What they talking about
The Love Below low key birthed this singy rapper era... Way before 808s and Heartbreaks
So far gone was after 808
Bro 808s clearly came first bc Ye’s “say you will” gave us drake’s “say what’s real”
So far gone came out before 808’s …. Say you will instrumental was on so far gone 9:12
Drakes first victim was Joe Budden completely took the space he had. Introspection is more relatable than a gangsta persona.
Hip Hop media has been by far the most disappointing of this whole battle. I look at all these platforms so differently now. To be so biased that you can’t even make an objective argument is wild af. Oh well.
Yup
I'm glad bruh put LL in the convo, but they didn't let him cook.
Talibs my favorite conscious rappers hype man but his brother Tellafib Kwelie is super dope
Na Mecca it’s 808 first then So Far Gone. Drake did a freestyle to one of the beats off 808s on that mixtape
“Pause” after “shooting at the meat industry” is WILD
So these dudes just totally left Phonte from Little Brother out as an influence to Kanye and Drake? Both went to NC to work with Little Brother when they were starting out
Facts because early drake was a combo of Phonte & Budden
Drake literally rapped over Say You Will from 808s & Heartbreak so it was 1st
Drake went into the battle the reigning champion. K was the underdog. Not everybody was on K like THAT. After Good Kid, MAAD City everybody (as in boppers and casual music listeners) low-key fell off Kendrick. Only the real ones was still tappin in. So going into this beef WE knew K could NOT just come normal. Drake was confident with the jokes and the roasts completely underestimating his opponent. Kendrick took notes, created his battle plan, observed the situation and attacked! He studied Drake and stayed steps ahead of him. After piecing his plan together, he struck on Like That: the bait to see who will bite. Knowing Drake's ego bobbleheading, he knew he would take it. Then he waited. Drake struck: Push-Ups. Kendrick observed. Drake struck again: TaylorMade (which was a HUGE mistake that bit him in the long-run and the fuel that fired Dot up). Everything with K was strategic and carefully crafted and when he struck, he struck hard!
Kendrick never fell off he just had one of the highest grossing tours of all time for Mr.Morale....don't be silly. He "fell off" in the eyes of deluded people noone has ever said Kendrick fell off. Cole and Drake were talking greasy and He decided now was the time to show the world why they are not "Like That".
@@jordandavis3867def didn’t fall off, especially after GKMC when his commercial peak was 5 years later with DAMN
Sorry this wasn’t a battle. It was a chastening. This was no contest. And to say Kendrick Fell off? Lord bless your soul
@@shaspearman8647 no I said casual listeners fell off, not Kendrick
@@jordandavis3867 is y'all reading right? I clearly didn't say Kendrick fell off 🤦🏽♂️
Vulnerable is a better word Mecca!!
OVO Kneepads got a recall on them
I could only listen to the audio of this clip. Gat Murdah’s jeans are just offensive. Couldn’t stand looking at it anymore.
Kendrick raps and speaks about unity, Drake says "No new friends...f@#k all y'll ninjas"
What!??? 808's was BEFORE so far gone
Drake was playing imitation games instead of being original. Once Kendrick got him out in those waters of the essence, it got different .
Talib Alwaaaaaays went out of his way in his music to denounce and express that he's not a conscious rapper. I can't make this up😂
You literally just made that up.
@talibkweligreene1752 do your research before u start typing. I'm a very grown saa man that's not about to be makin up stuff in a comment section.