PT 6: "MR. GHOSTWRITING IS OK!!!" TALIB & MECC DEBATE KENDRICK & DRAKE RAP DRAMA..DO YOU AGREE???
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I'm losing respect for any hip-hop artist that claims ghostwriting is okay.
Do you rap or write?
Without ghostwriting we don't have a Dr Dre album
@@KingsCourtNetwork it's not ghost writing if credit is given.
A lot of classics were ghostwritten
Drake is not coming to My Expert Opinion, Math needs to accept that
Hoffa is the biggest Kendrick hater alive
You forgot Mal and Ish 😂😂
I think a lot of these quasi-media types are scared to speak on Drizzler negatively- hoping for access or something. Drake on MEO would be huge. Frankly, Hoffa sounds slow sometimes.
(Mal too)
On everything
Why is everyone allowed to shit on Drake but not critic Kendrick.
I noticed a lot of battle rappers was rooting for Drake
Math is going to die on that Drake Hill! Lol! Bruh, he lost.
He wants that interview
@@oldmanjesus9855 😂😂😂😂 Drake took down all of his diss songs on his insta.Kendrick giving speeches at Compton college
@handina and he still beats white women but yall dont care xuz to yall kendrick is a Saint and drake is the devil
@handin kendrick did the speech in public eye lol, doubt he does that without press but clowns like you in the comment think degrading hip hop rappers have class
He"s still waiting for that interview. Money, Power. Respect, the last one is better.
People come on platforms and say anything since when has rapper having ghost writers been cool and ok. Smh
Right? I'm so confused... no way we as fans thought any raps were written by someone else in the 90's, not even the "jams".
Since the beginning of hip hop it was always a thing
@@str8koptv901 it's always been a thing, but was it always acceptable? If so... then why still hide the ghost? To be clear, I'm not talking about reference tracks or credit for help with a chorus or hook or something. Or adlibs...
Bars. If you rap bars ... when was it okay to pretend you wrote em if you didn't?
Drake LOST! Stop glazing!
To you he lost.
@@70smebbin to you he won. And you're in the minority.
@@70smebbinkendrick won, go cry about it 😂😂😂😂
Math begging for that Drake exclusive interview with his cheerleading for that man.
These people in the industry will do anything to stay friends with Drake. This is crazy. Hip Hop is cool with ghost writing now???
Selling out on full display. Ghostwriting jams? That's literally admitting money tops artistry.
It's way more sellouts in hip hop than I thought. But as we hear what labels and rap giants demand of new talent, it's actually starting to make sense.
@@rakeldanell yeah, this battle is exposing a lot of them
Crazy how Mecca would talk about having to have integrity when it came to doing album reviews at the source in the 90s .
Fast forward to now , & seeing people Turing a blind eye or all of a sudden be okay with Ghost Writers just because of a person’s popularity.
That integrity is completely lost smh.
@@SuperbNProsper 🎯🎯🎯 they're all doing it for political reason. They want that drake interview lol
Hip Hop BEEN cool with ghostwriting, if the music was cool. But we would laugh if those guys tried to claim the crown. Before Drake, they always knew better.
Math the battle rapper: why yall think its a competitive sport?
The more I listen to him the less sense he makes.
🎯 facts
EVERYTIME THEY SAY SOMETHIN ABOUT DRAKE MATH GET SO DEFENSIVE LMAOOOOO LIKE BRUH
I agree drake got washed smoked like fresh pack of zod. Say what you want I live on the west coast in Vegas not like us gets radio play. It's the #1 song I'm America broke streaming records all of drakes records . There is a clear winner here and it wasn't drake at all or his ghostwriters. Kendrick proved it ain't no BIG 3 it's just BIG me.
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That was the most hitting bar for me
It’s not up for debate. Discussing this with Drake supporters = prepare for a Copium Sesh
Drake got cooked on every level of the game. Bars, impact, commercial hit, etc.
Keyword. You live on the West Coast.. Just to let you know. Kenny broke Spotify records 😂😂 Knock it off. Kenny still needs to catch Drake. Go help him. Them numbers still looking funny. Kenny 3rd in the 3. Stop lying to yourself
Math probably wrote push ups 🤣 now he mad Kendrick smoked him too 😂
😂😂
Dude in the green shirt needs to go outside and smoke a cigarette until the conversation is done.
😂😂😂😂😂
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He interrupts more than Nore.
Friendly reminder: Drake asked for this 😅
I give drake credit tho... he been dissin Kdot for like 10years. He never really ducked dissing anyone even if he lost I still respect the fact he tries in the sport. JCole tbh lost my respect as a goat. Beast rapper yeah but nah the goat dnt duck fades. Imagine Nas ducking or like Pac. Drake took the L but Def gained respect from me for going at Kdot all these year
Actually kdot jumped out there first and drake accepted the challenge. Wish I give him credit for. Everyone else been ducking dot
Its why I can’t say HipHop is Dead, like many claim. Perception / Optics makes you think garbage sell. But Kendrick, Schoolboy Q, Tyler the Creator, Pusha T, J Cole… all these guys make, “Real HipHop” and outsell MOST of the Pop Rappers and Lil Lils without pop or club singles. All these guys are capable of dropping a top album. Then there’s Lil Wayne, Common, Jay, Nas….. Kendrick routinely breaks Drakes records. Especially the album and tour records. J Cole can go platinum with NO features. Tyler and Pusha both dropped #1 albums in 2022. Schoolboy Q.. Oxymoron, Blank Face and Crash Talk dropped #1, 2 and 3 on Billboard and all dropped #1 on the Rap/R&B charts. Lyrical, boombap type rap has always been viable. I think Freddie Gibbs does pretty well, also. Benny the Butcher would be up there too if he stayed with Griselda. His albums were actually MORE popular Before he went to Def Jam. YES dope emcees are less in number but rare talent is just that…. rare.
Facts & say this to a casual listener & they’ll say “Nobody listens to them”, all because they don’t hear the music played in the clubs or on the radio heavy , like the garbage that’s in constant rotation.
I use Tyler as an example all the time. Dude be killin it , Albums , Merch , Concerts etc. extremely successful all around , with barely any radio play or play in the club.
All those rappers you said minus JayZ are broke in comparison to Drake. I get you like them but that doesn't mean they are just out of nowhere outselling drake. Combine drakes total sells to any of them and it's night and day. You actual case to hold is they are better rappers than drake yes 100% but dnt just start making up fake numbers... does schoolboy even have a plat album?
How can someone in battle rap question if hip hop is a sport .... Math is hoping for a drake interview...
People sleeping on Kendricks Monster Freestyle when he named everybody. He called himself Biggie and 2pac and told little wayne move over. Called out Kanye and Mr andre 3000. He been saying names.
lol one sleeping on it, it was just wack copy of lil waynes flow. and nobody knew who he was at that time. if there is an actual beef then i get it, but making a diss song about people who don't know you for no reason is lame. it was lame when 50 did it, and it's lame when dot did it. he's a better rapper now, but that was corny.
But it wasn't a diss in disrespect it's been like it's always been for Kendrick competition and he wants to get better at his kraft and calling out the best wether they reply or not he just wants to go against the best and that's why in the control verse the people he called out besides Aubrey they respected him for doing it
*I disagree with GHOSTWRITING because those GHOSTWRITERS make the non-talented nobodies into known stars.* _As a result, after a while, the non-talented star starts to get credit as the GOAT!_ This is why GHOSTWRITING is wrong! Also, this is how the industry uplifts and empowers the non-talented over the real talented rappers!
Facts
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Those ghostwriters get paid… a nice amount of money it’s called the music business
I’ve softened up my stance on having a ghost writer in rap overall but you can’t puff out your chest and say your best ever all that when you don’t write your ish
Exactly. You wanna let other people write your shit so you can make some cool songs go for it but you forfeit the right to call yourself the best.
Whats disappointing is how ppl still look at the beef between Kendrick and Drake as just a "battle". Especially Talib who is considered more intellectual. This wasnt friendly comradery going back and forth, Kendrick wanted to ppl to look at Drake a certain way and realize what hes beendoing the past 15 years and how he has severely profitted off of rap's decline. These ppl always tryna glaze over that and make it seem like it was just "who had the better records"
I mean my friend look around the room, beside tali,,,,
My 10 and 12 yr old just went to their middle school dance...guess what song the 4th and 5th graders were singing to? 😂 Kdot sent that Canadian Goose packing
Math stay on his knees😂
Not like us is way bigger and more disrespectful than back to back
Honestly back to back all drake really did was made fun of meek for being under nicki wing, her having the pants in the relationship, and nicki having a bigger status than meek
Meanwhile not like us Kendrick calling drake and ovo pdfiles, calling drake a liar, a colonizer, saying he not really black or part of the culture etc so yeah back to back was more so jokes and light jabs in hindsight but not like us is more disrespectful and bigger
Talib saying Ghostwriting is ok when Making a "Jam" is super disappointing
It’s ok because people made it ok. He’s not saying he condones it but he understands the industry
@@Alisol96Idk, as a poet who admired rap so much in the 90s, I am kinda disappointed by the number of rappers saying ghostwriting is cool. I can't imagine going to an open mic and performing a poem I didn't write... claiming it as my own.
I'm not mad at all of Dr Dres writers. Or Eazy Es, Kanye's, or any other "producer"
@@rakeldanell I feel on that. As someone who writes myself I couldn’t imagine someone pinning my sheet. I think Talib realizes with the most streamed music of today it’s more than probably that someone else wrote or helped write. I don’t think he’s saying he can respect him as a mc but more so as an entertainer
@@Alisol96 it's not entertaining watching somebody claim the throne of a cultural artistry off lies. At all... or not to me.
Stop bringing up Back 2 Back when Daylyt wrote that shit
Bro don’t be like the guy in the green in just believe everything you hear Daylyt didn’t write back to back and he apologized and said he was trolling it’s a reason why that dude career in the toilet he lies and think everything is a joke he to old to be so reckless n think everything is a funny
@@str8koptv901 I see Drakes PR Firm has entered the chat
@@Bogo___ 😂
As long time drake fan. Also I went to his last concert but honestly drake lost badly. Even if the pedophile accusations are lies just the fact that Kendrick was able to pen lyrics good enough to make the masses not care about the truth is an art form in itself. Kendrick put on a master class show. I don’t think it’s over for drake but I do think this is a permanently war wound for him. I do think family matters was a good song but Kendrick just out barred and out strategized drake in every way possible. Drake let his arrogance lose the battle. He took Kendrick as a joke. But he will survive just gotta watch who he talks greasy too
Math on his knees with a sore throat ngl. You better be getting paid for on them tricks you do on Drizzy Johnson frfr.
Grown man that’s supposed to be representing the culture out there with his mouth open for some Canadian bacon 💀
The spells are being broken. The stars are falling from the sky.....
Facts!!!
drake gotta be paying Matt
Ghostwriting shouldn’t be expected at all ……it only was excusable for Producers and that’s it!!!!
Math ya baby daddy Drake will probably do ya Podcast one day in a controlled environment
Matt a drake eater
All these dudes NEED Drake 😂 they want to remain in his good graces because of the benefits that come with it. They wont ever be honest because of it lol. The battle exposed all these former rappers with podcasts and people in media for who they are. The culture chose Kendrick and they all look fraudulent as hell now 😂
Or maybe they are just being objective and think Kendricks bars in the battle were ass.
Math need to stop hating 😂😂😂
🥷🏾still mad about about that control verse and he wasn’t even named. He doesn’t matter.
Dude in the green shirt is mad annoying.
Agreed
AF
Thank you i was thinking the same shit
Fax straight bozo
Math is compromised
Get the 👻👻 out of hip hop
Math = 🗑️ first & last time hearing him
2:51 ONLY reason the jam is king is money. Period. Other than that.... there's no legitimate defense for ghostwriting in hip hopm
MATH CUT IT OUT BRO
I miss the days when ghost writers were actually ghosts!
You're not an Emcee if you have a Ghostwriter, that's equivalent to wearing the next man's chain, driving his car etc. frontin' like it's yours FOH
Hope you get back to clipping things up like this It's been a while since I've seen anything drop as far as a episode clip definitely got me checking it out
Math really think back to back was bigger than not like us 🤦🏾♂️
a battle rapper asking why they think hiphop is a competitive sport is wildddd
Drake will only go on MEO if somebody ghostwrites the answers to the questions during the interview!
OVOHoffa
Man walks in on his phone. Oh they filming? Man walks out on his phone 😂
Math the only one keeping Drake name alive in the proper way. Go help Kenny catch that man.
I dont understand all this moving the goal post, ghost writing ain’t never been cool in hip hop.
The very first diss ever made in the history of Hip Hop was about “biting rhymes”/ Ghostwriters/Sucka MCs!
Y’all are lying
Math blowing spit bubbles 🫧 on it at this point 😂🤦🏿♂️
That’s my issue with folks … yall say it’s ok to have a ghost writer for a hook but when reference tracks for ONLY hooks come out on Drake , yall still discredit Drakes pen
All I know is look at the volume of music Drake has consistently released over the years, the Ghostwriting explains it
I hate the ghostwriter conversation about Drake. The writers are credited on the song so they aren’t ghosts. Because someone uses a ghostwriter/co-writer doesn’t mean they don’t write songs. Most rappers take ideas/lines from studio councils, producers, etc. He’s literally written for Kanye West, a man who said “I don’t have writers” on a wax. People misrepresent ghostwriting, think of it as an all or nothing practice, etc.
Drake did the same thing Kanye did, when you swear and lie to people saying “you write all your music” is the reason why people are mad, don’t lie about it own it
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Math acts like he either wants to pen something for Aubrey or he wants a feature. Perhaps he see how marketable Aubrey is & Math would like the exposure.. But would the fame and fortune be worth selling out & losing his fanbase.🤷🏾♂️✌🏾
At some point, they got to talk about Consequence
This is unrelated to this episode, but Math, you gotta have Wiki and Madlib on.
Mecca should have his own show
Who is the dude that jeeps interrupting???
Math is talkin about Bonnie and Bonnie only. Stop playin lol
Oh my gawd. Green Outfit is draining AF. He won't stop talking. Any question Talib Kweli is asked, he HAS to weigh in. Don't invite him back or the "journalist." Or, at the very least, don't invite him when you have a well-known rapper guest who we REALLY want to hear the opinions of.
You've got a unique voice, keep using it to make an impact!
Shout out to Tellafib Kwelie Talibs twin brother! He's 🔥 check him out 💯
Look you can be a rapper and have a ghost writer but you can't claim yourself as a lyricist
My man said the battle was about commercial rap vs. backpack rap. 🤔 But Kendrick is commercial rap as well. The man gets mad streams, sells tons of records. He’s one of the few artists in all of music still moving six figures in the first week. And Kendrick’s singles are, for the most part, catchy and radio friendly. He ain’t some underground backpacker. Not even in sound. So, I dunno about the whole “commercial vs. backpack” stance.
I think Talibs the most underrated hype man
I’m a lil confused wasn’t math a battle MC? So why is he sounding conflicted when someone says rap is a sport? Someone help me out, maybe I’m wrong
I use to rap with a group .... The only contribution my team had was the subject matter... But I'd be damn if I allow anyone to express what THEY'RE FEELING for ME! I have my own mind and my own words, and I'm talented enough to convey them. Ppl love Drake to the point they'll commit hip hop blasphemy and heresy behind him. Lost much respect for anyone that thinks letting someone else speak for u is cool in hip hop 🤦🏽♂️
Soooooo.... the very idea of exchanging words is at the core of rap, right? Who is this guy?
New guy needs to kick back an not talk as much
If you use a ghostwriter your shits is getting deleted and you don't exist.Drake who?
I agree with Mecca. I don't respect artist who use ghost writers.
T is speaking facts
Y’all gotta get R.A the rugged man on here
he only says its ok so he dont catch flak.....but behind the scenes i know %100 hes like hellllllll no its not ok
I'm from South Africa, I didn't know how much people hate Kendrick in New York.... New York killed hip-hop.... Draaaaaakkkeee(Soulja Boy voice)
NY rap is dead while West Coast is thriving. I think some of these guys still holding that anger from the Biggie and Pac era and are salty the West Coast has their Pac while the East Coast doesn't have their biggie in this generation. The closest they got is Drake and he's not even American lol.
Dot won, clearly.. I enjoyed all the music.
Math is looking crazy with his takes..just say you prefer Drake
Lets just call it for what it is the east still got a little bit of tension with West coast 😂😂😂😂
Math you might as well call yourself "Humpty Dumpty".
Drake ain’t doing no interview with you Math
Bro in the green is annoying af. Who is this guy starving for attention?
Even if people are making up events that correlate with drakes defeat ? It still shows that the People chose.(bar?🤔) but yea.. I don’t see any fans doing that to Kenny.. the ammo isn’t there for that… Kdot won that.. iiwii
Who walked in? Was that a dumb setup? Making it look like people are comin in
Damn I didnt think Math a Drake fan. Ironically, for 3 weeks when Drake dropped Push-ups we heard Drake troll bringing up Kendricks kids, bringing up Kendricks alleged DV with no court records or files. Bringing up Kendricks wife, and Math wasn't so dismissive towards those allegations. Now all of a sudden Drake is getting cooked with the same treatment and now its all too much. I respect you gang but this looking like you compromised like AK. Like you forcing yourself to be objective. Drake got this industry shook 😂😂😂 but i understand. Its business.
Ghost writing is cool
Don't try and dilute the truth
yall buggin....not like us is mediocre honestly. especially as a diss record.....
I respect you writing your verses but hooks and bridges that’s free game someone may have a different idea of how to heighten your record
Hoffa turn into drake main eater. Sad
Rap is a music genre like any other. Ghost writing been in it since day one...in every genre...and sometimes just flat out thiervery went get into the music it self across all genres
The public would be shocked at what songs werent written by their faves.
No... no they wouldn't. Or shouldn't. There's a general knowledge of songwriting being sourced out. I remember in the 90s getting my hands on CD jackets and reading who wrote what. Especially groups! You would see sometimes how a certain member was responsible for the songs you liked, or how another artist altogether wrote a whole song.
Bruno Mars wrote one of my favorite songs on a Adele album. Growing up in Detroit, our boy Stevie was not the only other artist writing for big performers. It's a part of the singing world.
Rap... hip hop, is a branch of poetry. Real MCs know this. Hell, even Chris Brown knows this. He talks about the line between singing and bars, and that he has never spit a bar he didn't write himself. Where would he, one of the greatest music stars out there, get the idea that this was necessary? That it mattered? Not from thin air....
@rakeldanell lmao u think chris brown wrote than entire diss to quavo by himself?
I wouldn't would agree that the realest MCs write stuff themselves but ll cool j didn't write I need love. Eminem gets lotta bar work from Royce da 5"9
I'm not saying it's right or wrong..just it is what it is
@MrJ1S my point is that he felt a need to make it clear he wrote it himself. And there's a reason.
If LL openly gave credit to whoever wrote that when it was released, I think it's tasteless, but his integrity as a rapper would be sustained.
I would have to see where Eminem or Royce point this out and which songs he wrote bars for... but let's not pretend Eminem's acclaim as a rapper is not based entirely on his skills as a lyricist.
I'm about to post a video with more of my thoughts. Not looking for likes or subs, just continuing the conversation.
...leave Seth at home bro
When you hear not like us just remember dre day only make eazy Payday
Say that twice !!! 😂
@@JODYE4RMTHESIX knew somebody would get it 🤣 Mike Jack owned the Beatles catalogue
@@TXLennyS I instantly knew where you were going with this line. Drake getting paid every time Kenny brings that man up. “Damn Drake, they tried to fade you Kenny Day, Kenny Day only make Drake payday.” 😂😂 Mannnnnn I’m weak as hell right now.
@@JODYE4RMTHESIX Aubrey Cohen 🤣 ...but that's a dud cause the last name is already Graham
Han soul?
He lost..but people definitely be over exaggerating talking about he dead now ..nah lol people still about to listen to both of them 💯
Most people talk so much about Drake's co-writing as if he started it but really they just simply hate him because Dr Dre did it and even Kanye does it so why when it's Drake everybody gets to yapping stupid shit just to project hate.
Because neither boastfully professes to be the biggest ‘rapper’ and acknowledge that those lyrics were written by someone else - that’s why.
@@solaodebunmi9492 so what Drake also write and he's written for Kanye also and Kanye has praised his pen. Of course he's the biggest rapper because his catalog makes more money and that's something all the rappers know and acknowledge plus Kanye also brags about being the best, bragging is part of the game as Nas said and as far as the writing goes all the writers he works with are credited
Dre and Kanye are producers. They don't claim to be the best rappers alive. Drake doesn't make beats, doesn't write his own raps, what does he do? Why does he get to claim he's the greatest when everyone else is doing the work?
@@Zack-vi7is Drake has written for Kanye and Beyonce plus even Kanye has praised his pen, of course he enlists help but 70% of the lyrics come from him, he's of course "a hit maker, songwriter and superstar". Kanye also brags about being the best rapper, he bragged about out rapping Kendrick on no more parties in LA, bragging is just a part of the game
Neither of those guys say they write all of there shit tho, what don’t you guys not understand ? Two completely different things
So it depends if yall want hip hop to grow ghost writing has to be a part of it, how does the best hip hop artist compete with a Adele or a Taylor Swift from a award perspective? Say what you want awards matter