DC-10 Collapses During Takeoff at JFK Airport - ONA Flight 032

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  • čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
  • Reconstruction of Overseas National Airways 032, a non-scheduled positioning flight operated with a McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30CF on November 12, 1975. Registration: N1032F
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Komentáře • 130

  • @jaytowne8016
    @jaytowne8016 Před měsícem +56

    I knew a pilot who was riding as a passenger on this flight. During the evacuation he helped a young Flight Attendant off of an escape slide. She was young and attractive. Said pilot and FA were both furloughed and didn't see each other due to being hired at other airlines. The pilot worked for a string of supplemental/ charter airlines and was hired at a major airline at age 60.( Then second officer only eligible) On his first trip at said major airline runs into a vaguely familiar Flight Attendant, it was she from the ONA accident 21 years earlier. They got married a year later both no longer young, but hey.

    • @jocelynharris-fx8ho
      @jocelynharris-fx8ho Před měsícem +9

      You don't have to be young to fall in love !!🤗❤ I've seen a lot of news stories about men and women who have fallen in love and remarried decades after a divorce, or after a spouse has died. In some instances, it was a first marriage. A well known radio personality, mentioned that his 89 year old mother in law re-married last year in 2023. Society wants to dictate that you can only fall In love before your senior years but that is not true. In fact, marrying late in life means that you are more mature and emotionally settled, you realize that life is short, ; that it's a blessing to have that person in your life and you don't take them for granted. you are more focused on the inner beauty of a person, rather than just on physical attractiveness. God bless them !!! May they have many years to enjoy their love.❤❤❤

    • @stonerrocky
      @stonerrocky Před měsícem +1

      i see this conversation is going nowhere. please do not respond.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Před měsícem +4

      @@jocelynharris-fx8ho Great Story !

    • @sarge6870
      @sarge6870 Před měsícem +7

      @@stonerrocky You must be a BLAST at parties!!

    • @glamdolly30
      @glamdolly30 Před měsícem

      @@jocelynharris-fx8ho Agreed, romantic love is not just for the young. Great story!

  • @davidwilliams4865
    @davidwilliams4865 Před měsícem +15

    Thank goodness all passengers were flight attendants and got the heck off the plane without trying to grab their carry on luggage, as seen in other evacuations!

    • @LauraSchendel-ko1qk
      @LauraSchendel-ko1qk Před měsícem +1

      LOL! I get that! I was a flight attendant for 25 years. Passengers will make you crazy! LOL!

    • @LauraSchendel-ko1qk
      @LauraSchendel-ko1qk Před měsícem +4

      Let this be a lesson to passengers who do not pay attention during the safety demo and who want to argue with safety regulations. They don’t know as much as they think. I had a woman passenger who refused to take her baby out of the seatbelt that she had around herself AND HER BABY! I got tired of listening to her refusals and arguments so I just told her like it is! “In an impact situation, your body will move forward and cut your baby in half!” Do you know what she said? OMG! She said, “You talk like it is going to happen!” To that I responded, “And you talk like it never has.” So there!

  • @tango6nf477
    @tango6nf477 Před měsícem +23

    The DC10 was a great aircraft to fly in but it sure did have its problems and bad luck

  • @alanhartmann3355
    @alanhartmann3355 Před měsícem +9

    I was 7 miles over the Atlantic heading to JFK when this happened. Pilot announced JFK closed due to an accident (just what you want to hear, right??). Circled for a while, diverted to Boston. Got in to JFK eventually, but a very long day.

  • @wotan10950
    @wotan10950 Před měsícem +8

    I flew on ONA a few times in the 1970s, but on their DC-8-63s.

  • @TJ-USMC
    @TJ-USMC Před měsícem +10

    "Excellent Airmanship !!!"

  • @80sCrazyCatDadNGunAddiction
    @80sCrazyCatDadNGunAddiction Před měsícem +9

    Large warning labels need to be placed near all engines that say "birds not allowed" which woulda prevented this tragedy.

  • @JackGlick
    @JackGlick Před měsícem +4

    Super graphics! Well-done!

  • @jochampley
    @jochampley Před 26 dny +1

    I was a controller at JFK when this happened. I was coming onto an evening shift and walked into the tower about 10 minutes after the accident.

  • @kiwitintinscott
    @kiwitintinscott Před 24 dny +1

    I was stood immediately infront of this aircraft at Manchester, England just a week or so before this tragedy. I seem to recall that N1031F crashed not long after, whilst on lease to an Arab airline, whilst flying over a desert. I could be wrong though. Loved the colour scheme, particularly on the DC-8-63's.

  • @thomashunter5707
    @thomashunter5707 Před měsícem +2

    It’s a miracle that all the passengers were able to get of the plane 🎉🎉🎉

  • @adammcdonald798
    @adammcdonald798 Před 13 dny

    I remember seeing the nose on photo of the fire as a kid (I would have been 4 at the time of the incident) but I never knew the story behind it.
    Thanks for another great video

  • @finnmacs
    @finnmacs Před měsícem +5

    Yayyy new vid!❤

  • @JackGlick
    @JackGlick Před měsícem +5

    I flew both on the DC-10-30 Sabena Airlines and Deltas L10-11 back in the day. Love the L 10-11 better!

    • @maxwellcrazycat9204
      @maxwellcrazycat9204 Před měsícem +1

      The Lockheed Tristar was a great airplane in my opinion. Enjoyed seeing them when I worked at Atlanta Hartsfield.

    • @jochampley
      @jochampley Před 26 dny

      Ah but the DC-10 had the better jump seat window.

  • @strafrag1
    @strafrag1 Před měsícem +3

    I worked at JFK then and remember this event well. I believe after it, the bird "cannons" were installed to scare them off the runways.

  • @paulmace3019
    @paulmace3019 Před měsícem +6

    My brother was on that plane. ONA became part of Trans International which in 1979 became Transamerica airlines

  • @jocelynharris-fx8ho
    @jocelynharris-fx8ho Před měsícem +3

    As much as I loved these videos, I wish that there would be audible narration instead of just captions. Some people like me have poor vision and have trouble reading the print. Also, trying to read what it says and watch the action at same time, is tough. 😮

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 Před měsícem +2

      Yup, my close-up reading glasses from twenty years ago are now my "Moon looks in focus" glasses : )

  • @akramabdlhaq7112
    @akramabdlhaq7112 Před 25 dny

    Thank God everybody is safe

  • @guinnog2
    @guinnog2 Před měsícem +4

    I miss the DC-10 and trimotors in general. Flew long haul in one and it was way more comfortable than modern jets.

  • @gabrielhalston6726
    @gabrielhalston6726 Před měsícem +2

    LOL.....all those belt loaders and baggage carts zipping back and forth directly behind the DC-10 as it departs is hilarious. Those vehicles (or any others) would not be permitted to pass in real-life airport operations until given clearance by ground personnel. Those who drive those vehicles know better than to do so knowing they can be seriously injured and/or killed by the a/c's engine exhaust/thrust.

    • @ednovy4925
      @ednovy4925 Před měsícem

      On top of that, none of them had drivers!! They were futuristic self-driven vehicles!

  • @stuartlee6622
    @stuartlee6622 Před měsícem +2

    What about Northwest Flight 710????

  • @jourwalis-8875
    @jourwalis-8875 Před 29 dny

    How long was the runway in meters?

  • @user-ip7rt8mg7w
    @user-ip7rt8mg7w Před 27 dny

    Incredible pictures and, amazing job to avoid collision with anything at the end of the runway. Even better, everyone got off and survived 😊😊😊

  • @jkryanspark
    @jkryanspark Před 26 dny

    No matter how long a runway is, it can always be longer. The runways at LaGuardia, Queens, NYC's 'other' airport, are only 7,000 feet long and have been overrun on several occasions.

  • @jmWhyMe
    @jmWhyMe Před měsícem +2

    Were they past V1 at the bird strike? Were procedures different then? Continuing with the takeoff, shutting down #3 then doing an emergency landing might have been indicated?

    • @philiphumphrey1548
      @philiphumphrey1548 Před měsícem +10

      Don't think they were, so they correctly aborted the takeoff.. They was plenty of room for an undamaged plane to stop but the engine failure had damaged the hydraulic system and increased the distance they needed to greater than what they had left. By the time they realized, it was already too late.

    • @rsambrook
      @rsambrook Před měsícem +3

      Sounds like they used real CVR. Over 100kts and before V1. “Stop” is correct action. Although there was a delay from engine issue and RTO. The performance calculation would have accounted for no reverse thrust and thus should have been able to stop. The lost of an engine and its hydraulic pump would not have affected the wheel brakes ( at least two hydraulic systems and braking accumulator). Did the aircraft leave the runway to right side and hence collapse. The weight on the gear would cause it to sink into softer ground and cause the failure.

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 Před měsícem +4

      Building on what's already been said above...
      RTO procedures were essentially the same in 1975, but there was much less safety margin built into runway length requirements. That same scenario now might well have ended without a hull loss.
      A contributing factor to this accident may have been a delay in reaction beyond the 1.5 sec assumed in RTO performance calculations.
      Braking accumulators are quickly depleted by a few cycles of full press/release, so for an accumulator-only stop steady pedal pressure is important. Presumably with two good hydraulic systems however, brake fluid volume/pressure wasn't an issue even if there had been much pumping of the brakes.
      In the 1970s as well as today, RTO performance calculations for FAA certification (vs CAA) did not allow credit for reversers. They did however use stopping data collected with new brakes, and a two-year old airliner with steel brakes good for about 1000 landings probably had brakes partly worn towards the maintenance limit. So pluses and minuses there.
      It's a certification requirement that a landing gear strut strip backward if the drag load becomes sufficiently high, such as in soft dirt. Specifically, the trunnion pin (pivot point) is designed to fail rather than have the fuel tank ripped open by a failure of the trunnion (strut attachment area). But it doesn't always work out that way, because not all loads for a particular accident can be anticipated and designed for.

    • @jocelynharris-fx8ho
      @jocelynharris-fx8ho Před měsícem +1

      They were using the longest runway in the United States, so they had room to safely abort the take-off. Most runways are about 10,000 feet in length, so once you hit a certain speed, you must commit to the take-off and then make an emergency landing.

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 Před měsícem +2

      DC-10s, as well as any other FAR Part 25 aircraft of the day, used nomographs (multi-parameter charts) in the flight manual to determine V speeds such as V1. Those speeds of course varied depending on things like pressure altitude, aircraft weight, and flap setting. DC-10s have flown from runways ranging in length from 5700 ft (SNA) to 15,000 ft (EAFB), with V speeds varying accordingly. Even on a very long runway, things like rated tire speed can figure in.
      The problem with assuming "room to safely abort takeoff" is that it's an assumption. You can't know until after the fact that it would have worked out -- the pilots almost never have enough information in the moment to know whether that will be the case. And if they could somehow be presented with all of the relevant information, in the seconds it would take to properly evaluate same the option to reject takeoff has almost certainly passed. So as practical matter, a rule was made working from many decades of experience to continue flight unless the aircraft is believed not to be airworthy.

  • @fgrau7376
    @fgrau7376 Před měsícem +3

    Hopefully the cockpit crew weren't implicated somehow !!! they love to do that and they continued flying on for ONA at least until the ceased operation in 1978, which I believe they became ultimately National airlines

    • @bullwinklejmoos
      @bullwinklejmoos Před měsícem

      The cockpit crew were not implicated. This was not the ONA that was renamed National.

  • @andrewwilson1313
    @andrewwilson1313 Před měsícem +1

    All considered, great decision making in the cockpit.

  • @ManuelGuzman067
    @ManuelGuzman067 Před měsícem +1

    Never heard of Airline or Crash .

  • @jettnit1
    @jettnit1 Před měsícem +19

    The L-1011 was by far a better built Trijet.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Před měsícem

      True, but it cost too much.

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 Před měsícem +1

      @@deepthinker999 and according to one pilot who first flew the L-1011 before later switching to the DC-10, "needlessly complicated".

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Před měsícem

      @@marcmcreynolds2827 Good To Know !

    • @itjustlookslikethis
      @itjustlookslikethis Před měsícem

      LOL! DC-10/MD-11 outsold the L1011 by more than 2 to 1. Tell me more about the better built Trijet.

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 Před měsícem

      ​@@itjustlookslikethis Ok. The 1011 was arguably better engineered, though the DC-10 wasn't as far behind as "the internet" would have you believe. To the extent that L-1011 hull losses tended to be from "acts of god", hats off to the Lockheed designers.
      Where Lockheed messed up in terms of losing the sales race was no provision for a center main landing gear, so when the competitions moved from medium-haul to long-haul, Lockheed didn't really have an answer to the DC-10-30. I'm surprised they sold as many -500's as they did. Presumably for the most part to existing Tristar operators, though I haven't researched it.

  • @ronwilsontringue6574
    @ronwilsontringue6574 Před 23 dny

    Were the seagulls fined or arrested ?

  • @kitbaker8521
    @kitbaker8521 Před měsícem +2

    If an abort above V1…that’s what happens. It looked like the crew had no choice, though. Engine and hydraulic failure…

  • @jayeetachakraborty9299
    @jayeetachakraborty9299 Před měsícem

    game?

  • @getsmarter5412
    @getsmarter5412 Před měsícem +4

    Brought down by a cluster flock! What a fuster cluck!

  • @mustafaiper
    @mustafaiper Před měsícem +1

    Çok üzüntülü bir durum. Kahroldum. Kaç kişi vefat etti bu kazada.

  • @stelladoore9137
    @stelladoore9137 Před měsícem

    I thought the ground traffic was scary! How awful

  • @rsambrook
    @rsambrook Před měsícem +2

    The internal cockpit is showing EFIS display. The DC10 had analogue instruments.

    • @tomsurrey2252
      @tomsurrey2252 Před měsícem +3

      OK, you do one of these videos!

    • @Lauriedriver
      @Lauriedriver Před měsícem +2

      The average person wouldn’t be aware,or wouldn’t care what it was.

  • @normgilbert6624
    @normgilbert6624 Před měsícem

    Title says JFK Airport, narration said Frankfurt

  • @2009jeffpatriot
    @2009jeffpatriot Před měsícem

    I spy a 1975 Vegan food truck w my little eye lol

  • @gregoryconnor9333
    @gregoryconnor9333 Před měsícem

    The shape of the plane around the rear engine does not look correct. Obviously a cheap version of some simulator grahics package.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Před měsícem +1

      The DC10 & MD11 have different tail designs.

  • @djpalindrome
    @djpalindrome Před měsícem +21

    The usual catastrophe resulting from the DC-10’s total lack of redundant fail-safe design

    • @calvinnickel9995
      @calvinnickel9995 Před měsícem +4

      Explain

    • @instorypl
      @instorypl Před měsícem +1

      This continues wherever former McDonnell executives are in power (as at Boeing these days)

    • @instorypl
      @instorypl Před měsícem

      @@calvinnickel9995 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10#Accidents_and_incidents

    • @fomfom9779
      @fomfom9779 Před měsícem +1

      @@instorypl Former McDonnell Douglas executives must be almost 85/90 years old by now.

    • @paleghost
      @paleghost Před měsícem

      I wonder if a Tristar would have fared better.

  • @southpakrules
    @southpakrules Před měsícem

    340

  • @nxs3374
    @nxs3374 Před měsícem +2

    Bring back the L-1011

  • @RayhanAhmed-qr3vz
    @RayhanAhmed-qr3vz Před měsícem +6

    Trump was the flight engineer on it .

    • @jasper2207
      @jasper2207 Před měsícem +1

      Sounds about right since he phucks up everything and anyone he comes in contact with.

    • @itjustlookslikethis
      @itjustlookslikethis Před měsícem

      Oh, look everyone! A lefty being transparent.

  • @Niki16698
    @Niki16698 Před měsícem

    Fake - PC

  • @swanvictor887
    @swanvictor887 Před měsícem +1

    built to sell, not to fly.....

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 Před měsícem +1

      ... and yet it's the DC-10s which kept flying for many years after almost all of the L-1011s had been turned into beverage cans.

  • @mikegleeson349
    @mikegleeson349 Před měsícem

    The BIG warning labels need to be on these BS CGI videos!

  • @Pilotc180
    @Pilotc180 Před měsícem +30

    It’s in New York so Trump will be blamed for it

    • @dstarr8222
      @dstarr8222 Před měsícem +25

      Rightfully blamed for lots of stuff (deliberately hiding classified documents, running a fraudulent university, stiffing contractors instead of paying them what they were rightfully owed, and more) but probably not this

    • @cameraman655
      @cameraman655 Před měsícem +6

      @@dstarr8222So, I take it you are not a supporter…

    • @randysteele6741
      @randysteele6741 Před měsícem +1

      Naw, you don't have to make up anything about scumbag Trump, the criminal.

    • @kurthamblet4277
      @kurthamblet4277 Před měsícem +1

      It was back in 1975, so Trump was still in his rape and pillage phase. Destruction of others assets did not begin until 1986. Trump is hereby cleared of wrongdoing for this 1975 incident at JFK.

    • @wotan10950
      @wotan10950 Před měsícem +1

      @@dstarr8222In 1975, Trump will still a small-time thief. He perfected the art of deception and evil as he got older. And yes, he is rightfully detested in New York because we’ve had so many more years to deal with his unending s__t.

  • @MarcusTomatos
    @MarcusTomatos Před měsícem +2

    The DC10 was a pile of shite, and should not have been allowed to fly after so many issues...

    • @guinnog2
      @guinnog2 Před měsícem +1

      737 Max anybody? Plus ça change...

    • @johnschmidt8440
      @johnschmidt8440 Před měsícem

      Stupid.

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 Před měsícem +5

      Issues like blowing up in mid-air? Oh wait, that was a 747. Cargo door flying off? That was a DC-10 (and a 747). Engine falling off? 727, 707 etc. Pilots can't keep it under control because the flight control system is doing its own thing? A320 and A330. Roof tears off? 737. Pilot moves the rudder back and forth shortly after takeoff and the stab snaps off, killing everyone? A300. All airplanes built in quantity have many issues.

    • @itjustlookslikethis
      @itjustlookslikethis Před měsícem +2

      LOL! DC-10/MD-11 outsold the L1011 by more than 2 to 1. Tell me more about the "pile of shite DC-10"

    • @mtm4a
      @mtm4a Před 4 dny

      @MarcusTomatos - I flew on a Freddie Laker Skytrain DC10 to JFK in 1981.
      Unfortunately I don't remember anything about the flight.
      Can anyone tell me how safe/unsafe I might have been at that time?

  • @jackrainbow560
    @jackrainbow560 Před měsícem +1

    You need to learn how to write grammatically correct English.