DC-10 Collapses During Takeoff at JFK Airport - ONA Flight 032
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- Reconstruction of Overseas National Airways 032, a non-scheduled positioning flight operated with a McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30CF on November 12, 1975. Registration: N1032F
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I knew a pilot who was riding as a passenger on this flight. During the evacuation he helped a young Flight Attendant off of an escape slide. She was young and attractive. Said pilot and FA were both furloughed and didn't see each other due to being hired at other airlines. The pilot worked for a string of supplemental/ charter airlines and was hired at a major airline at age 60.( Then second officer only eligible) On his first trip at said major airline runs into a vaguely familiar Flight Attendant, it was she from the ONA accident 21 years earlier. They got married a year later both no longer young, but hey.
You don't have to be young to fall in love !!🤗❤ I've seen a lot of news stories about men and women who have fallen in love and remarried decades after a divorce, or after a spouse has died. In some instances, it was a first marriage. A well known radio personality, mentioned that his 89 year old mother in law re-married last year in 2023. Society wants to dictate that you can only fall In love before your senior years but that is not true. In fact, marrying late in life means that you are more mature and emotionally settled, you realize that life is short, ; that it's a blessing to have that person in your life and you don't take them for granted. you are more focused on the inner beauty of a person, rather than just on physical attractiveness. God bless them !!! May they have many years to enjoy their love.❤❤❤
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@@jocelynharris-fx8ho Great Story !
@@stonerrocky You must be a BLAST at parties!!
@@jocelynharris-fx8ho Agreed, romantic love is not just for the young. Great story!
Thank goodness all passengers were flight attendants and got the heck off the plane without trying to grab their carry on luggage, as seen in other evacuations!
LOL! I get that! I was a flight attendant for 25 years. Passengers will make you crazy! LOL!
Let this be a lesson to passengers who do not pay attention during the safety demo and who want to argue with safety regulations. They don’t know as much as they think. I had a woman passenger who refused to take her baby out of the seatbelt that she had around herself AND HER BABY! I got tired of listening to her refusals and arguments so I just told her like it is! “In an impact situation, your body will move forward and cut your baby in half!” Do you know what she said? OMG! She said, “You talk like it is going to happen!” To that I responded, “And you talk like it never has.” So there!
The DC10 was a great aircraft to fly in but it sure did have its problems and bad luck
I was 7 miles over the Atlantic heading to JFK when this happened. Pilot announced JFK closed due to an accident (just what you want to hear, right??). Circled for a while, diverted to Boston. Got in to JFK eventually, but a very long day.
I flew on ONA a few times in the 1970s, but on their DC-8-63s.
"Excellent Airmanship !!!"
Or in this case, groundmanship
Large warning labels need to be placed near all engines that say "birds not allowed" which woulda prevented this tragedy.
Super graphics! Well-done!
Thanks!
I was a controller at JFK when this happened. I was coming onto an evening shift and walked into the tower about 10 minutes after the accident.
I was stood immediately infront of this aircraft at Manchester, England just a week or so before this tragedy. I seem to recall that N1031F crashed not long after, whilst on lease to an Arab airline, whilst flying over a desert. I could be wrong though. Loved the colour scheme, particularly on the DC-8-63's.
It’s a miracle that all the passengers were able to get of the plane 🎉🎉🎉
I remember seeing the nose on photo of the fire as a kid (I would have been 4 at the time of the incident) but I never knew the story behind it.
Thanks for another great video
Yayyy new vid!❤
I flew both on the DC-10-30 Sabena Airlines and Deltas L10-11 back in the day. Love the L 10-11 better!
The Lockheed Tristar was a great airplane in my opinion. Enjoyed seeing them when I worked at Atlanta Hartsfield.
Ah but the DC-10 had the better jump seat window.
I worked at JFK then and remember this event well. I believe after it, the bird "cannons" were installed to scare them off the runways.
My brother was on that plane. ONA became part of Trans International which in 1979 became Transamerica airlines
As much as I loved these videos, I wish that there would be audible narration instead of just captions. Some people like me have poor vision and have trouble reading the print. Also, trying to read what it says and watch the action at same time, is tough. 😮
Yup, my close-up reading glasses from twenty years ago are now my "Moon looks in focus" glasses : )
Thank God everybody is safe
I miss the DC-10 and trimotors in general. Flew long haul in one and it was way more comfortable than modern jets.
LOL.....all those belt loaders and baggage carts zipping back and forth directly behind the DC-10 as it departs is hilarious. Those vehicles (or any others) would not be permitted to pass in real-life airport operations until given clearance by ground personnel. Those who drive those vehicles know better than to do so knowing they can be seriously injured and/or killed by the a/c's engine exhaust/thrust.
On top of that, none of them had drivers!! They were futuristic self-driven vehicles!
What about Northwest Flight 710????
How long was the runway in meters?
Incredible pictures and, amazing job to avoid collision with anything at the end of the runway. Even better, everyone got off and survived 😊😊😊
No matter how long a runway is, it can always be longer. The runways at LaGuardia, Queens, NYC's 'other' airport, are only 7,000 feet long and have been overrun on several occasions.
Were they past V1 at the bird strike? Were procedures different then? Continuing with the takeoff, shutting down #3 then doing an emergency landing might have been indicated?
Don't think they were, so they correctly aborted the takeoff.. They was plenty of room for an undamaged plane to stop but the engine failure had damaged the hydraulic system and increased the distance they needed to greater than what they had left. By the time they realized, it was already too late.
Sounds like they used real CVR. Over 100kts and before V1. “Stop” is correct action. Although there was a delay from engine issue and RTO. The performance calculation would have accounted for no reverse thrust and thus should have been able to stop. The lost of an engine and its hydraulic pump would not have affected the wheel brakes ( at least two hydraulic systems and braking accumulator). Did the aircraft leave the runway to right side and hence collapse. The weight on the gear would cause it to sink into softer ground and cause the failure.
Building on what's already been said above...
RTO procedures were essentially the same in 1975, but there was much less safety margin built into runway length requirements. That same scenario now might well have ended without a hull loss.
A contributing factor to this accident may have been a delay in reaction beyond the 1.5 sec assumed in RTO performance calculations.
Braking accumulators are quickly depleted by a few cycles of full press/release, so for an accumulator-only stop steady pedal pressure is important. Presumably with two good hydraulic systems however, brake fluid volume/pressure wasn't an issue even if there had been much pumping of the brakes.
In the 1970s as well as today, RTO performance calculations for FAA certification (vs CAA) did not allow credit for reversers. They did however use stopping data collected with new brakes, and a two-year old airliner with steel brakes good for about 1000 landings probably had brakes partly worn towards the maintenance limit. So pluses and minuses there.
It's a certification requirement that a landing gear strut strip backward if the drag load becomes sufficiently high, such as in soft dirt. Specifically, the trunnion pin (pivot point) is designed to fail rather than have the fuel tank ripped open by a failure of the trunnion (strut attachment area). But it doesn't always work out that way, because not all loads for a particular accident can be anticipated and designed for.
They were using the longest runway in the United States, so they had room to safely abort the take-off. Most runways are about 10,000 feet in length, so once you hit a certain speed, you must commit to the take-off and then make an emergency landing.
DC-10s, as well as any other FAR Part 25 aircraft of the day, used nomographs (multi-parameter charts) in the flight manual to determine V speeds such as V1. Those speeds of course varied depending on things like pressure altitude, aircraft weight, and flap setting. DC-10s have flown from runways ranging in length from 5700 ft (SNA) to 15,000 ft (EAFB), with V speeds varying accordingly. Even on a very long runway, things like rated tire speed can figure in.
The problem with assuming "room to safely abort takeoff" is that it's an assumption. You can't know until after the fact that it would have worked out -- the pilots almost never have enough information in the moment to know whether that will be the case. And if they could somehow be presented with all of the relevant information, in the seconds it would take to properly evaluate same the option to reject takeoff has almost certainly passed. So as practical matter, a rule was made working from many decades of experience to continue flight unless the aircraft is believed not to be airworthy.
Hopefully the cockpit crew weren't implicated somehow !!! they love to do that and they continued flying on for ONA at least until the ceased operation in 1978, which I believe they became ultimately National airlines
The cockpit crew were not implicated. This was not the ONA that was renamed National.
All considered, great decision making in the cockpit.
Never heard of Airline or Crash .
The L-1011 was by far a better built Trijet.
True, but it cost too much.
@@deepthinker999 and according to one pilot who first flew the L-1011 before later switching to the DC-10, "needlessly complicated".
@@marcmcreynolds2827 Good To Know !
LOL! DC-10/MD-11 outsold the L1011 by more than 2 to 1. Tell me more about the better built Trijet.
@@itjustlookslikethis Ok. The 1011 was arguably better engineered, though the DC-10 wasn't as far behind as "the internet" would have you believe. To the extent that L-1011 hull losses tended to be from "acts of god", hats off to the Lockheed designers.
Where Lockheed messed up in terms of losing the sales race was no provision for a center main landing gear, so when the competitions moved from medium-haul to long-haul, Lockheed didn't really have an answer to the DC-10-30. I'm surprised they sold as many -500's as they did. Presumably for the most part to existing Tristar operators, though I haven't researched it.
Were the seagulls fined or arrested ?
If an abort above V1…that’s what happens. It looked like the crew had no choice, though. Engine and hydraulic failure…
game?
Brought down by a cluster flock! What a fuster cluck!
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Çok üzüntülü bir durum. Kahroldum. Kaç kişi vefat etti bu kazada.
I thought the ground traffic was scary! How awful
The internal cockpit is showing EFIS display. The DC10 had analogue instruments.
OK, you do one of these videos!
The average person wouldn’t be aware,or wouldn’t care what it was.
Title says JFK Airport, narration said Frankfurt
Said preparing for departure to Frankfurt.
I spy a 1975 Vegan food truck w my little eye lol
The shape of the plane around the rear engine does not look correct. Obviously a cheap version of some simulator grahics package.
The DC10 & MD11 have different tail designs.
The usual catastrophe resulting from the DC-10’s total lack of redundant fail-safe design
Explain
This continues wherever former McDonnell executives are in power (as at Boeing these days)
@@calvinnickel9995 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10#Accidents_and_incidents
@@instorypl Former McDonnell Douglas executives must be almost 85/90 years old by now.
I wonder if a Tristar would have fared better.
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Bring back the L-1011
Show me the money !
Trump was the flight engineer on it .
Sounds about right since he phucks up everything and anyone he comes in contact with.
Oh, look everyone! A lefty being transparent.
Fake - PC
built to sell, not to fly.....
... and yet it's the DC-10s which kept flying for many years after almost all of the L-1011s had been turned into beverage cans.
The BIG warning labels need to be on these BS CGI videos!
It’s in New York so Trump will be blamed for it
Rightfully blamed for lots of stuff (deliberately hiding classified documents, running a fraudulent university, stiffing contractors instead of paying them what they were rightfully owed, and more) but probably not this
@@dstarr8222So, I take it you are not a supporter…
Naw, you don't have to make up anything about scumbag Trump, the criminal.
It was back in 1975, so Trump was still in his rape and pillage phase. Destruction of others assets did not begin until 1986. Trump is hereby cleared of wrongdoing for this 1975 incident at JFK.
@@dstarr8222In 1975, Trump will still a small-time thief. He perfected the art of deception and evil as he got older. And yes, he is rightfully detested in New York because we’ve had so many more years to deal with his unending s__t.
The DC10 was a pile of shite, and should not have been allowed to fly after so many issues...
737 Max anybody? Plus ça change...
Stupid.
Issues like blowing up in mid-air? Oh wait, that was a 747. Cargo door flying off? That was a DC-10 (and a 747). Engine falling off? 727, 707 etc. Pilots can't keep it under control because the flight control system is doing its own thing? A320 and A330. Roof tears off? 737. Pilot moves the rudder back and forth shortly after takeoff and the stab snaps off, killing everyone? A300. All airplanes built in quantity have many issues.
LOL! DC-10/MD-11 outsold the L1011 by more than 2 to 1. Tell me more about the "pile of shite DC-10"
@MarcusTomatos - I flew on a Freddie Laker Skytrain DC10 to JFK in 1981.
Unfortunately I don't remember anything about the flight.
Can anyone tell me how safe/unsafe I might have been at that time?
You need to learn how to write grammatically correct English.