Crashing Just 20 Seconds After Takeoff (The Invisible Killer)
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
- Pan Am Flight 759 is a regularly scheduled domestic passenger flight from Miami to San Diego, with en route stops in New Orleans. However, an invisible force causes the Boeing 727 flying this route to crash immediately after taking off from New Orleans. 12 Years later, under similar bad weather conditions, a Qantas Boeing 747 crashes after landing in Bangkok. Find out what really happened.
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Pilots learn early on, you don't mess with thunderstorms! On one of my training flights, we saw a thunderstorm settle over the airport while my instructor and I were still out at the practice area. We wait for the thunderstorm to pass before returning to landing. The edge of the thunderstorm was a good 5 miles away and everything looked clear, but as I came in to land, just before crossing the threshold, the aircraft was pushed sideways by a good 60 feet such that I was no longer over the runway. Of course, I immediately performed a go-around, came back and landed safely, but that was quite the learning experience.
Great job!
@@nenblom Thanks! It scared the shit out of me when it happened!
Sad part is that in New Orleans we always have thunderstorms, but many people never even heard of microburst because we're used to dealing with Hurricanes and Twisters in our area (which usually occurs during the night). If flights were cancelled due to bad weather there no aircraft would ever take off nor land there, unfortunately.
I met this Southwest captain who was flying that day and they were ahead of the Pan Am for take off, he lined up, looked at the weather and canceled his takeoff and decided to wait. He knew it did not look good. He said he saw the Pan Am lift off, bank a little and flew into the wall of rain and clouds and never saw him again
If I had known of the bad weather I wouldn't have gotten on the plane.
Thanks - that's interesting - 2 different perspectives of the same situation leading to different outcomes for the respective passengers - very sad
Microbursts are incredibly strong. Last one here snapped my large beech tree in half. I was hoping for some survivors of this accident.😢
Just completed a buffalo-atlanta flight and the return trip. Happy to say, my flights will NOT be featured on this channel 😅
Have to admit when I see TWA, Panam or Eastern I relax knowing this was a long time ago.
Those three were great airlines.
@@JL-db2yc yes do remember those airlines as well, such beautiful crafts, why ahead of there time/era, in design of the craft.
Just going to add pan am was such a beautiful craft w/the upper level and bulbous nose. Pan am was known as "clippers".
Since you did a plane crash in New Orleans.. do a stimulator on a plan crash involving a News Anchor.. her name is Nancy Parker.. she did a story on an old airplane at the LakeFront Airport in the East of New Orleans.. she did the story and minutes later she got into airplane with the Captain and flew but minutes later something went wrong the plane and it crashed.... Nancy Parker was a kind beautiful and caring news reporter who work in New Orleans for almost 3 decades before death
@missyTL did check on ms parker, news anchor for NO channel for many years. At that time she was doing an interview w/pilot unfortunately craft did crash unfortunately. What a beautiful individual, dearly missed, leaving a husband, three children. I'm not from NO, just saying many years my schooling was in the southern states, Alabama, Georgia. Love the southern hospitality, such a slower pace.
@@kay9549We need that southern hospitality up here in the North (Chicago)
Microbursts are terrifying. Delta 191 also crashed because of one, and 137 people died. Never underestimate Mother Nature!
Eastern 66 is another famous microburst crash (1975, JFK airport)..113 of 124 on board killed.
Zenphire this happen so long ago 40 + have they learnt how dangerous micobursts can be. The weather from the airport perhaps have not been updated, if it was not relayed to crew. The question is why would they consider flying in such bad weather. Hopefully after all this time have learnt "mother nature" does not play. Were they aware on takeoff that they were flying right into an existing microburst that they were not able to recover.
It's especially those too crashes, as well as Eastern 66 in New York 1975 that led to the introduction of Radar based windswept detection systems and no microbust crash has happened with Airliners since
Why didn’t the airport close down the airport?
@@henrymcmiller2527 that an excellent question, they should have suspended all incoming/outgoing flights until the weather improved. If they were expected any incoming flights have them use there alternative (s) airports.
That was a bad one. But it's also the clearest explanation I've seen of wind shear and microbursts. Well done!
Its unfortunate even though over the years implemented or installed equipment that was able to detect micobursts or wind shear (s). Also over the years systems in place on aircraft with more updated capability of meteorological forecasts.
The question is if certain parts of the United States, mainly southern states, are so prone to thunderstorms, hail. Why even at that time even consider implementing equipment at airports to prevent aircraft flying in/or out to prevent any incident (s).
@@kay9549 We all know it’s money. And that’s the sickening thing. I have heard some carriers require them but not all. An air journalist would have a better idea.
@@marcdraco2189 perhaps so, in some respects, passengers that travel using either bus, train or air they do expect to get from point a to point b w/o any worries. We are generally speaking of air travel, passengers expect or not more from the aircraft and flight crew to have them travel in safety.
I remember when this happened because I was home and lived in New Orleans East. The aircraft crashed one block from my friend's house (he was at home when it happened) and saw the carnage. NTSB tried to blame the crash on "pilot error", then changed their accusation when they discovered that a microburst had occurred at that moment. It went down as we were going thru a typical thunderstorm which happened all the time in the South. All souls on the aircraft and some on the ground were lost and it was a very long time before the neighborhood recovered from the tragedy.
A situation I haven't seen yet on The Flight Channel is one I remember long ago, a plane was either taking off or landing at Newark Airport in NJ and it ended up landing on the NJ Turnpike. The cause was identified as wind shear. I think this was when wind shear was first being recognized.
Fun fact, the Qantas 747 was repaired and put back into service. Qantas are still ranked #1 in safety for never having a 'hull loss' accident. Mentour pilot has a good reaction video to a turboprop encountering a microburst on take off. Scary to see!
My father always said, when you're not gaining altitude, the throttles go thru the instrument panel and you pray.
The industry simply didn’t know that much about microbursts at the time. It wasn’t until Delta 191 went down in Dallas in 1985 did a more aggressive stance toward the phenomenon Take place. With the technology and procedures in place the last 30 years neither the PanAm nor the Delta accident would have happened.
Great video's. I look forward to them weekly, yesterday I was missing them. And coincidentally, I had re-watched the Kenner one this morning. Before this appeared. Wind shear and microbursts, powerful weather phenomenon. And I had not seen the Quantas incident before.
Question on first scenario: Takeoff thrust is usually determined by a combination of the plane's takeoff weight, runway length, and environmental conditions, so that if you don't have to burn fuel at maximum thrust, you can save the airline some money. Can I assume that, given the bad weather, the 727 pilot would have selected maximum thrust for takeoff?
Thanks. I was wondering, too, as the full thrust of three engines and a light load should have done it, maybe. Too bad about the noise.
I had a retired airline captain tell me a long time ago that he and a group of pilots flew that New Orleans scenario in one of the airline's simulators multiple times and none of them could make that plane fly no matter what they did.
Aw, this was a very sad and tragic accident which I clearly recall. Pan Am (1980) had acquired National Airlines which gave PA immediate access to domestic routes in the US. Pan Am had previously been well known for her international destinations. This Miami, New Orleans, Las Vegas, San Diego trip was formerly National's - a solid airline back in the day.
Wiki says: The damage was such that the aircraft was initially a write-off, but to preserve its reputation Qantas had it repaired at a cost of approximately AU$100 million (the exact figure was never disclosed by Qantas).[4] Returning the aircraft to service enabled Qantas to retain its record of having no hull-loss accidents since the advent of the Jet Age, and also proved to be the more economical option for the time, as a new 747-400 was listed close to $200 million.
This was the reply I was hoping to find, since I was questioning Qantas’ zero hill loss record.
I'd be fibbing if I said that I didn't hold a carrier like Qantas to a higher standard of flight crew communication and risk management standards. The accident flight, Flight 1, was an absolute crap show of preventable errors.
Luckily the grass outside the runway was wet and boggy to help the plane slow down, glad no injuries or fatalities
In the second crash, there was poor communication between the Captain and First Officer, which would have also been a contributing factor in the overrunning of the runway.
Yes, poor CRM, followed by the mistake made by the Captain when retarding only three of the four throttle levers. He had the authority in that cockpit and should have set the example by communicating clearly the decision to cancel the go-around, communicating he would take control of the aircraft, for example.
I was a very frequent flyer years ago. I never liked the 727. Always felt underpowered to me. Taking off from Mexico City was a white knuckle ride on a 727 because the plane used every inch of the runway before lifting off.
I used to fly out of Chicago midway on ATA back in the day and their 727’s used all 6500 feet of 31C to get airborne!
@robsoto6340 And that was basically sea level. Mexico City city sits a 7350ft. That 727 was sucking wind to get off the ground. They would taxi the plane to the point where the dirt ended and the runway started. We'd be rolling down the runway, then passed the landing stripes at the other end of the runway, and still hadn't lifted off. This is why I always ordered doubles in first class before pulling away from the gate.
@@nvpoolshooterto
I've seen an incident where a 727 landed safely after it went through multiple G+/- forces that would break into pieces any new generation aircraft.
This kind of made me respect the old 727.
Fantastic graphics as always, and the new shorter format is great , thanks
The reason why, if you move near an airport, probably not the best idea to locate in-line with the runway.
Honestly that would be the least of my worries. How much would it suck to live that close to a runway in general...the constant noise/commotion...I'd be praying for a plane to come into my living room to put me out of my misery.... especially if you owned.
Or is there something I'm missing?
@@Craig-dm5tw Personally, I would *love* to live by my local airport, but it would be the light airplane airport, where I incidentally have an aircraft. However, shortsighted people have made that area a depressed hellhole, go figure.
This doesn't really change anything, since where I live we are under the flightpath of the major airport. I can usually count one every 20 minutes or so. They don't bother me. I just look up to see what kind of aircraft it is. My grandfather used to live under the flightpath of LAX, a very busy airport, and I just thought of it as the normal background noise. Since I was a child, an airplane flying overhead was to me a source of wonder, and eventually an urge to go up there myself. If you are the kind of person that gets annoyed by the fact people fly, ok. That ain't me.
Frankly, idiots drag racing on the boulevard a few blocks away are more annoying. They seem to want to make as much noise as possible.
@@scottfranco1962 I don't care if people want to fly...where did you get that idea?... I just don't like loud noises.
@@scottfranco1962 actually, to be honest, I have to live in the middle of nowhere...I kinda hate everybody....I mean I'm binging disaster videos...
@@Craig-dm5tw Bad news on that... loud noises and flying tend to go hand in hand.
Anyone else finding it hard to get on a plane.....after watching too many of these videos ?
Me! I can't fly any longer. I was supposed to go to Japan and my Doctor refused to prescribe an Rx for valium. I'd definitely need a minimum of 10 mgs just to get on the plane. As it turned out, our plans changed and now the trip is up in the air, so to speak.
Great vid, as always. Sterling work.
It's still fascinating to see the brand new N.O. International Airport terminal in the video.
I remember watching your videos 6 years ago. Great job on every video you made.
This is a great video shows the visual of the plane and how it reacted while explaining it.
Amigo thanks I always wanted a good explanation on this kind of fenomenonds that can ocurre at any time that's one of situations any pilot wants to avoid from Barranquilla Colombia 🇨🇴 😀
The weather in this part of the country s*cks. Rain storms, thunder, lightning, and the highest humidity you can imagine.
I am saddened by the fact that these pilots were not aware enough to wait until the weather had passed.
Good video. Thank you.
Well, in regards to the first incident, it's my hope that planes no longer simply take off in bad weather and are held until it passes away from the take-off or landing area.....I would think that unless it's an emergency, that is the only time worthy of trying to land a plane with this kind of severe weather present.........I guess "we" always have to learn the hard way....meaning, human lives, sadly............
Can we assume all souls onboard flight 1 survived ?
Yup. All survived.
Probably not the most significant Quantas incident as it says at 08:59. That would be the one in 2009 involving an Airbus. It lead to broken bones, broken spine, broken lives. The documentary on that incident was very sad to watch.
The Pan Am crash was just so sad. They really never had a chance. RIP 145 souls. Quantas was really caused by the Captain, just interfering with his First Officer without letting him know what he was doing and why. Luckly no deaths, but there were 38 injuries.
thank you for not starting the video with the end.👍
Weather wise July/Aug are probably more risky than winter.
I remember the PanAM Flight 759 crash. I lived in nearby Metairie, LA.
It would have been nice to do Delta 191 for a microburst video. If we ever can get to it, I would like to see FedEx 705, the US Airways-Metroliner incident at LAX, Turkish 981, and Alaska 261.
That’s how to plough a field!
I think the 747 was repaired despite deemed uneconomical so Qantas could claim no loss of hull.
That's True !
microbursts :double whammy hits you on the way in hits you on the way out
Not trying to be sarcastic but when reading the notes I dumbed it down to, "oh windshear is just air pushing the plane to the ground." Got it
It could also lift it or move it left/right. But yes, the downdraft is the most dangerous.
1:29 sería bueno que para ciertas zonas de sudamérica pudieran hacer el video en español y gracias
With a forecast like that, I'm staying home - especially nowadays when you might have a couple of DEI hires in the cockpit, incapable of flying their way out of a wet paper sack with a radar vector.
Greetings. How do you do sirs?
Who buys a house at the end of a runway
Will be a sad day when an A380 video is made
Hey could you do the recent fedex landing (when theirs more info)
Pan Am plus 3 engines what could go wrong?
Is this TheFlightChannel? Something has changed. The quality is lacking.
Back when MSY looked like a rural bus terminal.
Are there any modern radar systems to identify this?
Yes, there are.
Yes there are, and ATC regularly gives us advisories for low-level wind sheer. Additionally, modern commercial aircraft can detect the effects of wind sheer and will provide an warning to the pilots.
Yes. Aircraft also give windshear advisories and warnings to pilots in the cockpits. Advisory is advising of potential windshear and then the warning requires the pilots to execute the windshear escape manoeuvre (TOGA and other things must be done, mem items).
Yeap, every once in a while you hear a Delta airliner “going around due to WS warning”.
My goodness, the Qantas incident sure was a cluster fcuk of epic proportions. The Captain sure was a moron. If he had let the co pilot just land or once the thrust leavers were advanced continue with the go around he had ordered things would have turned out fine.
The story of a very lucky plane, and a very unlucky plane.
New video let's watch
Says the pilot in the 727 took off at 7200 feet down the runway. Did those old 727's take that long to get airborne??? Or did the pilot perform a reduced power takeoff?? You would think that with a thunderstorm you would want full power, those engines screaming to get you airborne and build up airspeed(more lift) and altitude as quick as possible.
That second one was just plain stupid, as opposed to the first crash which was unavoidable due to lack of winds shear technology.
That is why I would never have a house near the ends of runways either end. Side on is much safer if you have to live near an airport.
Not sure the pilots of the Pan Am flight could have done anything in the short time space and I'm not sure how you train for this situation either. Puzzled as to why the Qantas flight was part of this video: was microburst a factor here too?
Ban assault trees!
Was Longreach the name of this Qantas 747 or were they all called Longreach?
Dear tfc i hope you read this i have a question when will we get and actual new video?
We'll never find out what's really going on with TFC I fear. It's sad because I found this to be a wonderful channel in the past. When nobody catches the misspelled Septemberly, which was in the previous video, you know something is happening behind the scenes.
What’s the use? They shouldn’t even allow the plane to even leave the ground and bad weather like that. I used to live in Louisiana. I live there for seven years. I know the weather can play hell it’s very dangerous. I wish they would get their heads out of their butts and start thinking about the people and stop killing them in bad weather. This is sad and terrible.😢😢😞😡🤷♂️ I myself will not fly in bad weather.👎✈️🛩️
Is it a new video or Reupload?
Reupload
@@LuchinoBruttomesso thanks. Gonna skip it then.
another
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Should start reporting it...
Dear Lord this has to be one of the worst I’ve seen.
microburst whars about the frist one DAL191 L1011 captain
Don't say you take a break in your channel
Looking at the title and not watching the video I'm guessing, and I'll be right, that windsheer is the culprit.
I don't fly and this, along with a handful of other reasons, is why.
Greed for profit kills.
Watch the video then point to the greed. Keep in min the people in control of the aircraft are sitting up in the pointy end too so generally self preservation rules over greed.
@@glennrishton5679 The greed is the company forcing the plane off the ground. When weather conditions are risky, planes should stay on the ground.
Why didn’t they just wait until the storm was past?
Why would they travel in bad weather?
I don't worry about Windshear in my Nissan.
Old re-uploaded video
always was a poor excuse for an airline and to be avoided
You did remaster Qantas Flight 1, which is a good thing.
Before anyone says this channel got sold off to a new owner, it didn’t. If it did, either the original owner or the new owner would have told us.
or at least Santa Claus would have told us the truth, right? Come on, Santa and/or this channel owner wouldn't tell us lies.
Not sure how these two incidents are related, other than pilot error…
3K VIEWS IN 1 HOUR!?
With a million and a half subscribers, of course.
fianlly, not re-upload
actually, this is a re-upload.
@@aviationreid >:c
Just crashed into trees
Sneed
It’s a repost
Please sey it new video 😭😭😭😞😭
Unfortunately No.
Another reupload...
Another reupload?!?! Done with this channel, will stick with GreenDot Aviation...
That was a cheap flight. What the hell do they expect for thirty bucks?
100th comment :D
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That's interesting they found the cause of the accident 42yrs ago when technology didn't even exist back then for investigators to piece together. Microbursts musta been somewhat new to aviation, not knowing exactly how it worked.
bruh reupload
First here 😊
Damn... 😂
Aww all the little crybabies won’t be able to cry about a re-upload. Aww poor ittle babies.
it's re uploaded pretty sure some people are confirming don't know for sure though
It is reuploaded @@637wywrd
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