Joel Embiid is a 300-pound wing!
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- How is Joel Embiid so dominant as a scorer right now? Against Utah, he scored 59 points and nearly registered a quadruple double. This detailed film breakdown looks at his evolutionary combination of skills and size, making him both a traditional post-scoring big man AND a giant, oversized wing player who can drive, shoot and change directions from the perimeter.
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Considering all these offensive highlights, you would feel that they're beating Utah by a mile but if you look at the scores, this game is a lot close than you think.
it was a 1 man wrecking crew.
cause utah is better overall team than sixers.
Because literally no one else on the sixers showed up to win. As a sixers fan I can admit that jo was forced to put the team on his back.
Only reason Utah lost was Embiid being the monster that he is. Considering he's far from 100%
@@ednis32 far from 100%?, are you dumb?, this was his best game ever, those times he was "100%"m he never a performance close to this, he definitely is at 100%, stop deceiving yourself
Still the best NBA videos on youtube. It's not even close.
Clayton Crowley is an excellent channel as well, if you like this kind of content 👌🏽
Half court hoops
Mason waters
And coach Daniel
Have great content too. Give them a view if you haven't already.
Great podcast as well
@@michaelsteese528 Clayton doesnt even provide 1/10th of Ben's insights and analysis. You could get all of the information in his videos from wikipedia or bball reference
Jxmy Highroller
i love how the midrange is making a comeback. basketball is just more fun to watch with more unique and different playstyles
Also, thank god for the post ups by Luka and Embiid.
By the way, no wonder that Philadelphia loves his center. Embiid is just great.
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Midrange never left. Especially if you watch the playoffs and some of the teams who are Championship bound have guys who great-elite in that regard.
The midrange has always been there especially come playoff time the main difference is that role players aren’t taking them anymore and just leave it to the top shot creators to take em
It’s crazy. He really is a legendary center. He’s an all time big man. I hope his body holds up.
and Embiid had already lost his best speed in his career but he's still building his much better overall skill set right now
This aged poorly....
Lol
@@theretrosavage how? 😭
Look who won mvp
I'm so happy to have him in Philly and get to see him every game. Really unique skill set and a wonderful off-court personality. Great analysis, as usual
Cant deny he is great but he had 24 free throw in this game i dont even know if jokic has 24 freethrows this entire season. Im speaking beyond embiid at this point im tired of athleticism dictating foul calls seems like if u can push the basket and jump jbto a defender you are throwing up 10 shots from the charity stripe a night
@@cameronbrown367 if emiid was coming at you would you try to guard him or foul him? Hes a more dominant offensive player while jokic is a more fundamentals, and strategic player. Emiid gets doubled and tripled a lot more and if the defender is a mismatch they generally just foul him instead of getting dunked on. If people didn’t foul embiid so much he’d possibly have more points. To be fair, he has definitely played into it and does what he can to get to the line.
Unique skills? Jokić has something to say about it:
czcams.com/video/JguEU0GGe0c/video.html
@@digineet8421 i agree there really is little to nothing you can do to stop the fouling in the nba right now and embiid is no question the more physically dominant force. Just wish 1/3 of star players points didnt come from free throws. It slows down the game and doesnt go in everyones favor. Jokic included
@@cameronbrown367 agree entirely. Basketball is (imo) probably the most visually spectacular sport because every player makes a difference and there are so many skills and types of athletes involved. it would be sick to see constant basketball without commercials and free throws. But to be honest without those breaks everyone would get gassed as hell and theyd be slippin on sweat left and right.
If they make it so there are less calls, then defense gets crazy and the game would slow down. It would be all about roided out big men beating each other up. Still, there is a reason not everyone gets the same amount of free throws. Harden gets em cause his stepback is ridiculous, giannis and embiid to slow them down, kd because he can shoot in your face at any second etc. it’s not because most players have more sportsmanship. Its cause fouls are the only way to stop them. And… they play into it and refs pick favorites. Not much you can do.
As a Sixers fan, great commentary. He is just unstoppable. His scoring unlocks his passing, something he has gotten a lot better at.
yeah, his passing is better
Embiid's mentality made him improve to his 2023 and 2022 (also 2021) MVP forms. You love to see it.
Man, I would love so much to place him in 1995. To see the chess match of Ewing, Robinson, young Shaq, Olajuwon going against Joel and each of them trying to figure each other out would be such a treat. If it happened, would Shaq actually develop a midrange shot, would Ewing get in the gym to develop his handles, would Olajuwon develop 3 point range, would Robinson extend his range and get a better back to the basket game?
that's a fun what if tho coach/team mindset in that era is different.
@@metalsadman I guess I'm imagining plopping this version of him, fully formed into 1995 so in practice and workouts they would be able to see everything he could do and would know they had to take advantage of it...plus they loved midrange jump shots in that time so setting him up in the high post would be obvious and he would just naturally extend it out a little bit.
David Robisonand Olajuwon could shoot 3’s not at such a high clip for Olajuwon but he could shoot them...
Same thing for David Robinson
I feel like Joel is like Ewing but more fluid. My big concern with him is the passing - I don't think it's natural to him, like it was for the Dream.
He is insanely talented at learning from seeing though, so I could see him being a good post passer if you give him set principles to work with.
I love that Embiid and Jokic have revitalised the post game (along with Luka this year), as it provides a counter style to endless pace and space.
@@zeek2613 just not in the same way. I bet most of us have seen nba players shoot around and when they are working against no defense, it looks like they can't miss if it's a decent skill for them. I bet if Joel shoots 100 threes in a workout, he mak
JoJo became a serious passer and the Jazz actually defended him pretty darn good last night.
That mid range was just unstoppable and so dominant.
Coach Doc is too lucky to have this monster playing for him
It's like having a pet dragon
Let's hope all goes well for the Playoffs.
All that to have a disappointing season with doc as head coach
Embiid has shown real Hakeem vibes these last two games.
Last 2 games? ROFLMAOOO.... NBA History Points per Minute Michael Jordan is #2 w/ a 0.79 PPM..... Embiid is #1 w/a 0.84 PPM..... Points per game Embiid is 8th in career Avg at 26.4 PPG..... He's like a 7'+ 300+ Lbs Kobe Bryant..... Hakeem was one of my Fav's as a kid - Embiid is a much more polished scorer than Dream
Agility at that size,strenght and skill set is what actually separetes him.
Wembanyama may be 4 inches taller but he’s not half as strong
this game was a high mark for sure but how many guys can dominate like this?
to me there aren’t 5 players in the league today who give you this impact cumulatively on both ends on their best nights.
There aren't 3
There's only Giannis and
Joel
It’s literally Joel and Giannis
Joel and Giannis only ones
@@IknowMoreThanYou ad too but he’s way less consistent than those 2
Tatum? Perimeter defenders are underrated and he is now just completely dominating both ends the same way a versatile big like them do
This was an amazing performance for sure
This game of his was just insanity
We missed you boii
he’s brilliant, so smooth yet so powerful
Joel's career is so riddled with injuires, I sometimes forget him.
Its crazy how much he's added to this game over the years; slimming down, improved shooting, better passing and still retaining his defensive value.
Nahh he doesnt suffer enough injuries for you to forget about him, you just dont recognize his talent 🤷♂️
@@futurehofer1564 exactly. He’s been way too good for way too long at this point to forget him. He’s been an all star for what’s going to be 6 straight season. He’s been a top 5 player for the last two and will stay there this year.
"Slimming down"
That man put on some bad weight this offseason
you forget about the back to back MVP runner up?
U don't watch basketball. Like an all. No NBA fan would ever "forget " about Joel . U sound like a math fan aka joking fan
Love the content as usual Ben!
Bro was givin olynyk nightmares😂
His passing has improved a lot. It's impressive
Not too hard to pass when your that dominant though
@@kennn30 He's seeing the floor better and is a more willing passer than before tho.
@@chrissullivan6572 True, but I think Harden was brought to facilitate more and let Embiid work
Embiid may be the most talented big man I've every seen. This man swished a fade away three pointer in the playoffs. What other big man can hit fads aways from the three, but still have a very dominant post game.
Jokic
literally jokic
@@bryceCondones Embiid’s scoring prowess well exceeds Jokic’s
@@bryceCondones jokic could quite literally never put up a stat line anywhere close to this, and im a nuggets fan from the 303
@@jkDAb "fads aways from the three,but still a very dominant post game." didn't say nothing about the statline
#MVPiid 0:47 he moves olynck a good 6 feet barely touching him
Such a beautiful game from one of my favorite players of all time
Embiid being Kobe in the post, Luka Turning into Tim Duncan with Jason Kidd's offense. Are we in 2006?
If possible (and as a Philly fan), I'd love to see an analysis on the emergence of Tyrese Maxey compared to the downfall/shortcomings of Ben Simmons.
I really think this is the final evolution of his game. You wouldn't think he's a triple-threat position player due to his size and his established skillset. But his speed, footwork, improved shooting as well ability to finish in space are all strengths that let him be elite in that aspect. He's really blended that post/face up scoring aspect with this athleticism as a solo scoring threat.
A lot of Joel playing style reminds me of Chris Bosh. Obviously they're two completely different players with two completely different body styles, but attacking out of the triple threat they remind me of each other. And they seem to have a lot of similar court positions they prefer to attack from.
I look forward to these videos every time
So proud of embidd
A couple years ago, I had the privilege of sitting just 2 rows from the court when the Sixers came to town. Embiid is HUGE. When you're up close, he's much bigger than what he looks like on TV. And he already looks big on TV
With that size and height, Embiid having the skills of a guard is just unfair. Not surprised he dropped 59 yesterday. Extremely impressed and in awe, but not surprised. If he has it going, no one can stop that man
yes its a lot easier when you are playing against a 6.8ft center.
@@onlyfacts3178 And if he was bullying a 6-8 guy every game, we'd have a conversation
But the fact he's put up MVP numbers over an entire season - and that's normal for him now - just shows he's different
I'm actually a Warriors fan and not even a Sixers fan at all. And while Embiid isn't a perfect player by any means, I gotta admit his offensive skillset is insane.
@@onlyfacts3178 NBA History points per Minute really shows who Dominates.... at 0.79 PPM career Michael Jordan is #2..... at 0.84 PPM for his career Embiid is #1 in NBA History...... Career PPG Embiid is currently #8 all time w/ a 26.4 ppg career Avg... Embiid is Unguardable, Outspoken African & bigots Hate him🤣🤣🤣
1st time I saw Embiid live I was 2016 in LA so I went to a Clippers game & Embiid had yet to play b/c of the broken foot.... DeAndre Jordan & Blake Griffin listed at 7' & 6'10'' were talking to Embiid in LOAFERS - Embiid Towered over them & his shoulders were so much wider... He's a generational freak talent who Dominates at BOTH ends
@@jackzeldon2883 I live in Philly and I've seen Embiid in person a few times and he's a giant and I was at a Sixers vs Bucks game and Giannis looks like someone carved him out of marble and Embiid still looked bigger and stronger lol it was unbelievable. After the game they asked Giannis who he would rather guard him and he said Ben Simmons, not Embiid, everything makes sense!
Great video man so much fun to watch real bball knowledge talk about your teams best player
Rooting for Joel! He’s a hooper. Go Sixers !
You guys remember when there were people calling to trade Embiid and keep simmons? 😂
I entertained that idea, but even that makes me feel ashamed . MVPiid is the real deal.
@@ironhurley6617 Jokic better
Injuries will do that.
@@therealcapartist1690 At?
@@therealcapartist1690 wrong.
Joel has come so ridiculously far from what he was when he entered the league. He has the insane ability to add new elements to his game, and be REALLY good at them. Also, one thing this video doesn't show is his elite agility and quickness to shut down guards on defense. You can't isolate him against a smaller guy on the perimeter, because he's able to stay with them.
He'll certainly go down as one of the best centers of all time.
it’s cliche but when you establish your big fella with early touches they run the floor harder, defend, and do the little things that contribute to winning. haven’t seen him challenge shots like that vertically in a while.
embiid’s dominance (low post play, shot making, FTs!) kept a dynamic open court team in the halfcourt a lot more. we often hear perimeter players get credited for controlling tempo but that’s what Embiid effectively did last night.
Great Post - amazing how many NBA fans have zero understanding of the intricacies of the game... Embiid has dominated the post every game he plays since he entered the NBA.... it's just very few teams ever challenge him by attacking the rim in the 1/2 court....
& w/ Embiid stationed behind him, Simmons was able to take risks ob perimeter Defense by getting up on his man w/ no fear of dribble penetration b/c the guard or wing was too intimidated by Embiid in the paint to blow past Simmons
Not saying Simmons sux on Def.... but w/o Embiid behind him he'll need to back off otherwise athletic guards & wings will set him on fire w/ dribble penetration in the 1/2 court & once he backs off they can shoot over Ben much easier
When a team has a Dominant Big that team can Dictate how they want they want to play the game - slow, fast, up tempo, low tempo & they can force a team to play to their weakness instead of their strength
It was closer to a quadriple double than a triple double that's just insane
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Another great video by the best basketball channel!!!
Would it be possible to get a video on the kings offense? Specifically the dynamic between fox and sabonis? I've hopped onto that bandwagon and I gotta say they are playing some great basketball
His skill and smoothness are insane for a guy who started playing ball only 13 years ago, especially at that size
That soundtrack and the description of embiid. Perfect!
Nice keep grinding 💪 you goat my boy philly stand up
Love this analysis on my favourite player by my favourite NBA analyst
This guys has the best analysis on all of youtube
Thanks for the vid
Let's goo new vid!
the absolute best content creator for the NBA on the planet!
Your the best basketball page on CZcams man
Love to see it. We ever getting that Ginobili video?
These kind of games are why Embiid is compared to Jokic for best center in the game. It’s just a matter of consistency and health for Embiid.
If Embiid were healthy it wouldn't be close; he'd be the best center in the league and the 2nd best player behind Giannis
@@IknowMoreThanYou too bad he’ll never be fully healthy
Jovic impact the game better
@Larry James He has a higher ceiling due to his defensive prowess but the consistency and career value is not even close. Jokic is an iron man, also scales better offensively as he is pretty much a perfect offensive player - incredible shooter, passer and creator.
@@IknowMoreThanYou I wouldn’t say it wouldn’t be close because Jokic has had one of the best offensive peaks recently we’ve seen in history (as is well documented on this channel) but Embiid is a special talent whose main setback is his health. He’s like Patrick Ewing with a 3 point shot who isn’t as durable.
The process has been trusted...beautiul content.
Amazing video ❤
Are you doing your top ten from 2022. Love your videos Ben
This highlight Joel Embiids greatness perfectly
Nice analysis bro
As a Sixers fan, I want him to get a ring so bad. But either way, it’s been nice to watch a guy overcome early injuries, learn from mistakes, and improve every aspect of his game along the way. He was immature when he first came into the league and now I’d say he is the definition of a professional.
his passing game opens up his scoring a lot because he punishes double teams alot better. We didn't see him make these great passes last year so he could definitely be MVP this season.
who cares, will he win a title, can he?
2 years ago he solidified himself in the midrange. Last year he started to learn how to pass. I’m hoping this year is the refinement year.
SO you are forgetting all the games so far...NBA really wants EMBIID to win..BUT SIXERS already proved that they can win without him.
THATS not a MVP.
@@lumptydumpty6992 he is not a good passer..most of his assists are FAKE assists rigged by NBA...
He had one triple double last season with 5 assists and NBA said it was 10...you go and check his assists and they are all FAKE...
@@onlyfacts3178 76ers were 6-8 without Embiid last year.
Absolute beast
Sixers MUST FIRE Doc Rivers, it's a shame his best years are wasted under this "coach"
The goat basketball content creator has uploaded 🤙🏻
this video is great. does a great job at highlighting what embiid does well. that being said though i would like to believe his play style is why philly never gets any deep play off runs wit this embiid iso heavy offense. that and of course doc rivers
Doc Rivers is a sh!t coach.
Doc is a terrific coach cursed with the worst clutch teams
This is great and honestly he's been this good for the past 2 seasons. The real test comes in the playoffs when defenses send a 2nd defender as soon as he touches the ball. So far the results have been disastrous for him, but he's shown more willingness as a passer this season, so maybe we see a change.
I remember there was a video that was trending on Twitter once where they were comparing Joel's moves to mj and Kobe and everyone crowned it but I mean they are really similar once u look past the height
Hi Ben, do you mind making a video of the warriors recent struggles? I have a feeling it might be because of their starters and not just the second unit. But curious to know what you think.
52 more points last night should get him the MVP he deserves! We're all rooting for him here in Philly.
Make your top 5 All Time starting 5 (Best Fit)
It’s incredible just how unguardable this man truly is. When he is locked in on both ends man oh man it’s over
So excited for a season’s worth of content!
Also Embiid being compared to Shaq to me is interesting because he is basically Shaq but if he were min/maxed for this era of basketball rather than Shaq’s. Shaq is clearly in another level for strength and athleticism but Embiid’s handle, shooting and movement is really special!
i said in some other embiid video that he was shaq X hakeem. i was wrong. he is shaq with kobe skills. unreal.
also unreal is how ben had this breakdown ready to go less than a day after embiid's career game.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the play at 2:52 feature both a carry (hesi dribble) and a travel (lifts pivot foot to finish with his other foot)? Monster game though
Yeah I watched that back a few times and came to the comments to see if anyone else mentioned it -- that was a pretty clear travel.
Ticky tack travels aren’t called in the NBA so players frequently do stuff like that
The NBA is a circus. It has literally all the basketball talent in the world, but is still an officiating farce by design. It's a quasi-sport.
The hesi dribble might be a carry but you can lift the pivot foot as long as you pass it or shoot it before it comes back down
This entire league is a traveling, pivot foot switching, extra gather step taking league of wannabes.
This is another one from his office! 😂 Nice one.
We hear this every year and then the playoffs happen
Body can't hold up
Very unfortunate injuries
I’ve been missing the videos
Ben please tell us is there any plans for top-10 of 2021-2022? Or Backpicks update?
Beautiful, the most gracious giant i've ever seen, his agility is a joy that i could watch for hours. But it must be sooooo tiresome for someone that height and weight to move like that, i'm shocked he can even do this but i wonder how much he can sustain. As tiredness sink in some weapons are going to weaken and disappear, some tendencies become more glaring.
Given the way he plays right now, do you think he could get any better if he trims down to around 265-270 pounds? I feel that he would have more stamina, move more quickly and have more bounce on both ends of the floor, be less injury prone, and still have a size+strength advantage over most big men in the league, and potentially be even better overall especially in the playoffs.
but he would be less powerful he's good like thist and i remain you that he's not fully healthy
The GOAT of Basketball analysis is here🙌🏼
He's definitely not
That title belongs to Kendrick Perkins !
Nice vid
I’ve been waiting 5 years for the Joel Embiid video…. It’s finally here😭
that Vanderbilt flop at 4:00 was so over the top hahaha
He's much closer to a Durant archetype than the Shaq/Hakeem comparisons suggest.
He's Durant until he's within about 8 feet, and then he's Hakeem/Shaq.
@@mattabrams3841 Kobe / Durant and then Shaq / Hakeem
Joel doesn’t have a handles package like Durant. The most he has is the triple threat in common.
@@allstar4065
He's got handles
Rarely has to use more than a few dribble moves tho
he can just catch and go or move people out the way with his body and finish through contact
Or he can
Durant skinny. So he has to use his handles to get by the defenders.
So you'll see him dancing with the ball a hundred times trying to get a bucket.
Just cause you don't do something a lot
Doesn't mean you can't do it if you have to
Do a video on the jazz this year!
Holy heck. He always said he was a fan of Wilt and thought that Wilt was the GOAT. And then a great youtuber 70sfan posted a vid about how Joel was getting closer to mimicking Wilt's fadeaway. And then... what I saw there was Wilt's fadeaway. Exactly. He has it down perfect. And sure, it took him a while, but he's had an injury riddled career... and nobody teaches this stuff nowadays. But he has mastered Wilt's go-to move. I already thought that he was one of the best NBA players now. But if he could stay healthy, he's on track to be a GOAT contender. This is absolutely unbelievable.
And I posted this before I saw all the other things that he did in this video. Yeah, he is a wing. Unbelievable!
So no top 10 list for the 2022 season?
Bring back 5 thoughts please!
When you look at the highest points per possession (per poss, per 75, per 100, whatever) season by a center ever it's absurd how many of them is every season of Embiid's career including his rookie year, and how the last 2 seasons of Joel top that list by a pretty big amount even over legends like Shaq, Wilt, Kareem
Exactly.... ESPN dumbs down content for the slow people... NBA History points per Minute really shows who Dominates.... at 0.79 PPM career Michael Jordan is #2..... at 0.84 PPM for his career Embiid is #1 in NBA History...... Embiid is Unguardable
Have said for some time he is the most talented center of all time there are those that are greater more dominant better playoff performers no doubt so don’t get it confused but talent ? Complete & diverse skill set none have ever been this way with a true bigs skill set + everything else , ability to hit 3s at a reliable rate , mid range game , low post back to the basket dominance force strength , handles , fluidity , agile , touch & footwork all at a high level .. & the defensive end as a rim protector an can guard on the perimeter.. just a generational talent in every sense, I Truly hope PHI maximizes his best years ..
dud how did kobe siwch that shot at 4:15 with a defense like that . Just WOW, homie was different !
5:45 it really is comical how all the defenders were just ball watching like that
Joel Embiid is doing what everyone thought AD would be, he’s an awesome player to watch
He is like a mix between Shaq and Dirk
Oh I’m here for this
hes that guy
When's the top 10 players of 2022 list coming out?
When's the top 10 players of 2022 coming out?
HE had a 6.8ft CENTER guarding him...had 24 FT in with 28 shoot attempts. Scored 59 points in 55 possessions.
NBA is now pushing his AGENDA to make him the MVP, one good game and they are already saying he can be the MVP.
You mad Jokic is out of the mvp race lol.
Thats cool and all but hows that top 10 coming along?
Just wow
Its also unfair to other youtube nba content creators. You are the goat
0:47 Olynnyk smh 😂😂😂
How do you get this game footage?
05:01 This just looks like good shooting to me, rather than the defender getting cooked. Poetl defended this decently: didn't overcommit on the fakes, didn't get dropped off by the spin and still contested the shot. I think Poetl's awareness of a potential final fake made his last step slightly slow, allowing Embiid a slighly better sightline to the hoop.