Liquid Cooling CPU Front vs Top Mounting ( AIO Cooler Mounting Front vs Top )
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- CPU : i7-10700K @4.5 Ghz
CPU Cooler : Aurora Arctic 240 White
MB : ASUS ROG Strix Z590-I Gaming WIFI
RAM : 16GB(8x2) DDR4@3200 Mhz
SSD : WD Black SN750
PSU : Seasonic 850W
Thermal Compound Arctic MX-4
Software : Geeks 3D Furmark , Cinebench R20
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00:00 - idle
00:31 - Test
02:07 - Peak Temp
02:40 - Overview
02:52 - Result
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By far best video and explanation I have seen! 🔥💙 Thank you
Perfect test bench. Controlled, measured side straight forward.
So this is more of an intake vs. exhaust comparison. However, if you introduce a bottom intake, top exhaust or front intake to the two setup, they might help makeup for the shortcomings.
Bottom case intake will suck in more dust into the system I will guess. However, I think the GPU will be very thankful for the extra air hitting it.
@@DontFuckWitDreDay I have elevated my case with a couple of yoga blocks on my desk, leaving a large gap for the bottom intake fans to draw air into the case and blowing on the GPU. I like it.
@@DontFuckWitDreDayyou can compensate for this by buying a magnetic dust filter, similar to what you would have on the front/ top of a case
with the exhaust on the top you will get the benefit of less dust build up right ?
You should also have other normal fans for a better real-world reference, nobody in the world would have AIO as the only fans(pun intended).
top mounting AIO should have front intake fans and front mounting should have top exhaust fans
Exactly what I tough if he had at least a back exhaust fan the GPU won't be affected as much!
@@HighIgnition so according to you guys the most logical solution would be the AIO in the front (pull), one rear exhaust and at least one top exhaust? Like a more or less classical setup with the radiator added?
I plan on building a new PC but I have experience with air coolers only.
@@Lortz2610 Usually mounting the radiator in the front of the case have no adverse effect on the other components when you have some fans to exhaust the warm air to the exterior of the case (back, front or side) AND the CPU benefits a few degrees in temp!
@@HighIgnition Thanks man!
Most people would have some additional fans with such setup, and also to make test more comparable in both setups fans on the rad should be in the same position either both pull or push, not like in the video. Push is slightly better as leaked air would go around radiator but in pull it might pull air from the side instead through the rad, as it will take air from path of least resistance. In regular pc setup this might be probably 1° of difference but at least it would be the same for both test runs. And placement of the rad should depend on what is hottest in your setup cpu or gpu? And cool it so it will benefit most. As rad in front dumps all warm air inside th case gpu suffers, and vice versa cpu suffers when rad is on top as air that is going through radiator is much warmer than than air coming from outside the case.
If i place two fans bottom can that improve gpu temps while front mounting?
Really want to know additional comparison with air cooler..by the way very complete temp data for this test👍
considering temps of vrm and rams, top aio is the best for entire system.
please don't spread illogical statements
@@nazmussakib1551 Why is that illogical ? vrm and rams are not cooled by CPU cooler but by case airflow. So if you have lower air temperature in the case, you cool them more efficiently.
Am I wrong ?
@@Pigaroulettes You can simply put some exhaust fan on top and radiator on side mount (if that option available) . puting radiator at top heats up the radiator by gpu's hot air. so cpu temp will be higher if you put radiator at top.
If the overall case temp is lower along with the GPU, that saves you in the long run. Also good idea to add the push/pull method with your radiator, if you have room, to fix the imbalance shown when having the radiator on the top. Done both myslef, overall I side with the top for it now CPU are on par with the side mounting shown in the video while applying push/pull
Why when the aio is on top the CPU have more voltage ?
@ItsmeBBB just open your eyes, when watching the video
What case is that? Wonder if having front mounted radiator but also top exhaust fans would help.
If you start thinking over it all the heat from gpu and other parts going UP wards so there is a reason to put it on FRONT where no heat moves toward radiator. warm air going upwards (baloon)
I have my aio on top since it doesnt fit front. Gpu temps are usually really high yet my cpu temps never go over 50
Вообще-то, нагретый воздух от радиатора не нужно вкачивать в корпус в любом случае, как и выкачивать из корпуса нагретый воздух и продувать его сквозь нагретый же радиатор ))) Эффективность невелика в обоих случаях.
Надо прогонять внешний холодный воздух сквозь нагретый радиатор МИМО корпуса, а не в корпус и не из корпуса.
И еще, обдув радиатора считается эффективней "высасывания" из него тепла ))
Полезно вообще изолировать вентилятор от корпуса.
I love this channel.❤
very nice video, can u make one with additional 2 normal fans for in/output?
What we need are cases that have a compartment for the AIO that is isolated from the rest of the case to reduce warm air on the gpu.
So you select whether you want the cpu cooler or the gpu cooler but not both?
In the front orientation, should we have output fans on the top or backside then?
I think the reason why the top mount has more max temp is that the fans are on the exhaust. But has a lower case temp because there is no obstruction on the airflow on the front. For the front mount, lower max temp because the fans are intake, thus pulling cold air from the outside. Having higher case temp because of radiator being on the front.
That can be right. But the more scientific reason can be as air is lighter and some air is also inside the aio. And it conducts heat less than water so when we put in top, the air in the aio goes in the radiator and good temps can be achieved. Although expensive aios don't have this issue
@@pranjalghanghoriya4391 Thank you for more info!
@@KiKeebs doesn’t air go to the top of the radiator either way? not sure what the other guy is talking about
@@danielr2060 I believe that's what he's talking about. He's saying that there's more good temp because the air is moving up much faster than normal.
@@KiKeebs oh I thought he was talking about air inside the aio radiator itself since people seem to have different opinions about aio’s correct orientation. I don’t remember if the guy said it in this video but maybe his aio top mounted was pushing air out (exhaust) and the front was pulling air in (intake) or vice versa? Idk I’ve seen so many different results with different setups so I suppose it doesn’t matter all that much either way as long as you have decent airflow
very helping video\ thanks
what's the fans speed in the hole case ?
I want ask.. How if fan pull out case and rad in case? Better or bad?
please let me know when the radiator fan is placed in front like that, is the wind direction to draw hot air into the tank or push hot air out? Thanks
if its in the front, you want it blowing in. If its at the top, you want it blowing out. You can notice the back plates of the fan in the video.
To make the front setup better, should we add 2 fans on top for exhaust?
cooling with cold air vs cooling with hot air (another title for the comparison) if you compare the fan position should be the same ... on the front mount cold air is hitting the radiator from outside, on the top mount hot air is pushed through the radiator ..
keep the case opened and gg xD
Is the fan on the radiator an intake or exhaust
You forgot to mention the case in the description, I honestly don't know what I'm looking at. Is the air flow limited the same way in both positions?.
deepcool macube 110 he said in another comment
@@gaycnz Well that invalidates the test completely then. That case has an open top with a filter and a solid panel on the front.
Might be a dumb question, but is the front positioning shown in the video - an intake or exhaust? I mean if it's an intake shouldn't the fans be on the other side of the radiator? Or are they turned 180 i.e. they're sucking air from the radiator instead of blowing onto it?
there is more or less a 1C difference between a push and a pull configuration ,they probably couldnt do it because of case specification ! the ranking is as follow push >pull>push/pull (cooler by half a degree but double the cost )l
Either way, there is going to be a tendency for warm air to flow towards the top of the case, natural convection. The top installation here allows for effective, targeted exhausting of the warm air, hence you get the cooler case temperatures. The drawback is that the radiator of the AIO loop now also resides in the warmest part of the case, decreasing the temperature difference over the radiator and thus also decreasing thermal output of the radiator and so you get warmer liquid and higher CPU temps.
With the front installation it’s vice versa, you’re drawing in cooler air from outside the case, you get a significantly higher temperature difference over the radiator leading to more effective cooling of the liquid and CPU, but you don’t have the nice targeted exhaust of warm air from the top of the case, leading to a warmer air temp inside the case.
I’d say the take home here is that the AIO fans should act as intake (as in the front install) and the setup should include separate fans for exhaust.
How about two intake fans and aio as exhaust?
top mount is for mid-range i5 r5
Is not better put air to out in front ?
Can you try a setup with Front Intake normal fans,
Top intake via AIO and exhaust as only rear.
Please.....
Without trying I can tell you thats not a good idea 😂
@@captnkaptn it's the best idea.
On a hot summer day,
Take in physical room. Having two cooler intakes and one Exhaust window will keep the room coolest.
We don't open multiple windows etc.
Just little enough not to create humidity.
@@abhisheksrivastava3787 So you have 2-3 fans taking in fresh air from the front, 2-3 taking it from the top (heating it up on the radiator) and 1 single fan trying to get all that hot air out?
@@captnkaptn In PC apart from fans, there are multiple open holes and vents in rear.
I keep this configuration in my PC, and it is coolest.
Mi configuración actual es:
Intel 12400F.
Nvidia 4070S.
Caja Corsair 4000D.
Radiador 240 en el frente.
6 ventiladores:
- 2 ventiladores de salida en la parte superior.
- 1 ventilador de salida en la parte trasera.
- 2 ventiladores de entrada en el radiador
- 1 ventilador de entrada en el frontal (parte inferior)
CPU: temperatura max 52ºC
GPU: temperatura max 68ºC
front mounted AIO's give better CPU temps, top mounted AIO's give better GPU temps. for example if you have a 11th gen i5 11600K with a RTX 4070, a top mounted AIO will be better because the CPU doesn't get extremely hot. but if you have 13 gen i9 13900K with a 4070 i would go front mounted AIO due to the powerful CPU that gets toasty
great 👏👏👏
Is this an open shroud gpu or blower style that vents out the back of the case?
Can clearly see in the video it's an aftermarket MSI model.
Thanks
What case name it is?
depends . if gamers / task need heavy GPU task . top mounting is a go .
hmm, my best is Radiator Front and Tube up.
GPU just higher 1 - 2 temp than Radiator Top but CPU cooler 7 - 12
Case: ROG Helios
Were the fans used for intake or exhaust?
Observe the orientation of the fans.
Front mounted AIO - Grill of fans can be seen, that's an Intake.
Top mounted AIO - Grill against radiator, that's exhaust.
@Shootter Thanks, mate 💯💯💯.
I've got my fans in a similar orientation, but I've got 1 additional fan mounted at the rear of the case which is an exhaust fan. My PC does get warm at times tho, so I'm not sure if my fan orientations are ideal or not, I do tend to leave the fans on the low speeds for.noise purposes tho, and the AIO fans do autmatically speed up when CPU gets hot tho.. But the other exhaust fans don't.
What case is that ? It looks so pretty
deepcool macube 110
So when you have the radiator on ‘front’ is it exhaust or intake?
intake :-)
u can mount ur aio like idk why so many people think u can’t the rad is above the cpu
How the cooling performance is installed on the side
Better than front or top most of the time
Your front mount radiator is upside down.
Pretty simple tbh. Hot air during a CPU-intensive workload results in higher GPU max temp. Hot air from GPU during GPU-intensive workload with AIO as exhaust results in higher CPU temps.
Some things to consider: GPUs are very boost algorithm dependent these days, GPUs are generally more temperature-sensitive (I think), and during conventional CPU stress-testing or benchmarks, your GPU is generally doing fuckall.
During the thing that most of us use our PCs for (gaming), the CPU won’t be doing that much work most of the time and thus the extra heat from the GPU won’t be spiking it to 90+ degrees Celsius. I guess the same can be said for having the AIO as a front intake, but the GPU kinda needs the cooling potential more doesn’t it?
You can always set a fixed-core OC with a CPU I guess. By that point it doesn’t really matter as long as it isn’t running insanely warm.
Even more simple, that case, macube 110, has a solid frontal panel that limits frontal air intake, not so on the top.
Are the fans pulling air in or pushing air out?
Front=intake
Top=exhaust
@@pdr4m559 With the Front=intake, that is transferring heat from the heat exchange to the inside of the box versus, Top=exhaust, that is transferring heat from the heat exchange to the outside of the box. The test is dis-similar in the direction of air flow, probably also the pressure inside the box which will effect the heat transfer on the heat exchange.
@@texdevildog9174 its better to install on top. installing front is good too, it just make gpu a bit hotter.
perfect and clear video .
With case Termaltake Core P5, and same parameters.
CPU Min/Max 31°C/66°C
GPU Min/Max 35°C/67°C
I7 7700K
RTX 3070
32Gb DDR4 3600Mhz
Asus Maximus IX Hero
This is such a tough choice. For Front, you get cooler CPU but warmer GPU but for Top you get cooler GPU but warmer CPU.
What would Jesus do? :O
I would with a cooler gpu, it more expensive to replace if it ever dies
First of all when you put the rad on top you also didn't put any intake fans at the front.
Second of all, even if you did put intake fans at the front, it wouldn't make that much of a difference anyway because your case just sucks. Get a decent airflow case with mesh front panel, and slap some decent fans on it, and please do not make these kind of misleading videos unless you actually know what your doing for christ sake.
Yes proper intake of cool air from the front and rad should be on top is best combination
what if you have BOTH aio for fornt and top doyou run themboth as exhaust or front as intake?
Top exhaust, front intake, back exhaust
@@manolakis06 problem being is that i am bringing in cool air from outside and bringing it over the GPU radiator into the case, which then goes over the CPU frame and through the CPU radiator and out the top? Wouldn't that increase CPU thermals with diminished GPU thermals?
MY gpu is never more then 35c while my cpu can hit 75-80 under load? Is there more optimal route to bring CPU temps down?
My current setup is as you described
Confusing 🤕🤕🤕🤕
Heat always floats upward.
拆掉侧盖，温度还能降3度
It's just about physics and thermodynamics, hot air always goes up, so with top AIO you'll be "cooling" the radiator with the hot air from the GPU/VRM, it'll lower the case temp because the hot air will be exhausted from the case through the top, but the radiator will heat up with the hot air. That's why on top mount = less case temp / more CPU temp.
On front mount you'll be cooling the radiator with fresh air from outside the case and blowing it inside the case, so the only thing heating up the radiator will be the cooling liquid returning from the pump, so the average temp of the liquid will be lower on front mount because the entire radiator will be cooler compared to top mount, that's why the CPU temp is lower on front mount, but you won't be exhausting the hot air that builds up from the GPU and VRM to the top anymore, so the case temp, VRM and RAM temp raises, but it's easily fixed with some exhausting FANs on top and back of the case.
So the optimal mounting option for AIO's is front mount (or side mount on dual chamber cases) blowing fresh air in and some exhausting FANs on top/back of the case to create airflow, because with intake AIO you won't be heating up the radiator with hot air.
а ничего что на разных вариантах воздух по разному организован
Garbage video, because in TOP orientation there's no air intake in the case... No fans in the front panel to pull air inside...
yet gpu heat will suck in if aio is on top, and not a garbage video
@@alfr3l lol, truly clueless arent you... a case with no air intake (only exhaust at the top) will automatically increase temps by 10C
front are in the wrong orientation, radiator tube should always be at the top of your cpu.
LOL ))) Dislike 0:15 lfet side HAVE COOLERS INSIDE and coolers different way! turn it upside down and turn coolers on outgoing air! than test it ))))))))))