HEAVIER TIRES = MORE PULLING POWER! (Raw Unfiltered Thoughts)
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
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Zikz 612H BUFFED TIRE WEIGHT EFFECTS : • The Nemesis Emerges Ag... - Hry
I apologize this video wasn’t highly edited and scripted for a clear delivery of info i.e. Truck Reviews. On Stream I got going on this rant and after decided to share it. Please keep in mind that this is not to compare and/or bash a truck shown in this video, but is to highlight that increasing a vehicles torque isn’t always the answer when it comes to Pulling Potential. For new trucks like the PLAD 450 stepping into the arena with no record-breaking features; its ability to pull has been impressive and I believe its due to its wheel mass. Lastly this is a test map which is used to pinpoint and highlight strengths and weaknesses. I hope this gives some clarity & not confusion, but if it does; please stop by the stream and I can do my best to give you and answer or we will find it.
If you’d like to see the Zikz 612H comparison between its release and upgraded tires here is that link:
czcams.com/video/4Siw2EmKYmA/video.htmlsi=mPjs01vLY2Xzd6in
Also if you’d like to know how to increase pulling potential with Lower Power To Weight Trucks:
czcams.com/video/qgGUehnFuKM/video.htmlsi=vqN4Ue8kW1xdGRrL
(ALL Trucks used are made from the SnowRunner Developers)
Using Low- in my experience has only worked a small % of the time. On this slope it very rarely breaks lockups. However In game, I have seen it and used it on more shallow grades with success.
your fine bud, we can appreciate this kind of thing
And what can fix Kenworth 963's lack of power when going up hill with cargo?
Not even the best MSH mud tires work.
I’d downgrade to its custom tires. This has shown to help. Its the same principle shown in the video linked on the above Pinned comment :)
@@NProvinceHi Nathan and thanks for your valuable video!
Do you like the new Year 4 Pass Livery for the Paystar 5070? I personally like it a lot 😊 Have a nice day!
I haven’t looked too much at the paint job for the Paystar much tbh. I’ll have to take a look
Ive been telling people for years that this games phisics need some work, for a "simulator" it doesnt act like one
To my understanding the wheel weights have been fixes to not cripple the really heavy trucks. You’re right though it is very much a video game and not a sim
I wish they would list the tire stats in game so we don’t have to hunt on a third party spreadsheet that took folks a lot of work to figure out
Mud runner physics were way better
It's only marketed as a sim, the game itself is 100% sim-cade
It's not really a sim.
It's so much fun proving a use for the less grippy tires in the game.
It is :)
Much more to pulling a load then simply the torqure rating of the truck.. I've noticed this as well from my many hours spend tweaking the stock truck settings. Great video Nate, god bless!
I’m with you on that sir! God Bless Brodie!
Hi nate, your testing is on point and you 100% proved your point in my opinion, but did try to do the same pull with derry in high gear ? i don’t know if it’s just me but high gear in derry never stalled at me. it will be interesting to see high gear in that test
So with the 25% bonus to torque, I believe this could be possible. Thats a good point. I might have tested that in the past, but I will run that test again. H gear is my go to with the Derry tbh which is something I shoulda considered adding into this pertaining to a work around for the Derry
A very interesting experiment! Thanks for the thorough testing, Nate!
Hey you’re welcome. I hope this doesn’t confuse folks into thinking the Paystar is somehow going to out pull those super heavies in game. It was just used to show heavier tires do some wonderful things :)
I'm a fan of the 5070 because it punches about it's weight, but it also has a weird floaty front end thing going on that makes steering difficult at times, even when not hauling anything. It's like the tires aren't touching the ground like 25% off the time.
It definitely punches above its weight
This is very interesting. Maybe the wheels work as a flywheel and give more momentum to the vehicle. More weight=more torque.
Im not sure. From what I've gathered I dont think it works that way in game. Adding more weight has been explained to me that its sort of fix to aid larger vehicles pulling power
Great video, I agree with all you said here. OHD are my go to tires, I put them on anything i can.
They really are amazing, but very few American trucks get them. However the tires that are even heavier than those bring much more pulling potential. The Paystar is that gem that folks forgot about amongst the NA fleet :)
The Fank's Red Hot of Snowrunner tires.
@@NProvince I love the Paystar
Thanks for this Nate, great analysis as always. It's detail like this (even though it's unrelaistic irl) that makes SR so immerse and engaging for me. Can we conclude from this that heavy tires are now the prefered option for any trucks that can fit them? Or are there still situations when lighter tires would be a better choice? Also, great tip on toggling off AWD to put drive onto rear wheels! That would never have occured to me.
Thank you! So the thing is, you’ll never really have to worry whether or not a truck has a heavier tire option. The only vehicle that has access to them is the BOAR which we looked at. Tires range from 100, 200, and 600kg. Heavier the tire weight the more pulling potential. The OHDs that are on the Paystar allow it to pull because unlike most smaller NA trucks it has 200kg tires and not 100. I think in any scenario heavier tires show better results everywhere tbh. Weight equals traction and weight equals more pulling power in the world of wheels. :)
I basically completed Michigan with the 5070, so I have a bit of a soft spot for it. Used it for all kinds of stuff even heavy hauling when i could have used the P16. Seeing it pull that trailer up the hill when the "better" trucks wouldn't, that blew me away. Never would have guessed that 😂
It’s pretty strong, but i definitely would say it’s not gonna out pull those super heavies in game. On this test strip however just shows in a small setting with right conditions that this truck punches far above its weight ;)
@@NProvince yeah it's certainly not the best, that's why that clip was so surprising. It will do just about anything you ask it to
Nice man. Keep on Trucking 🚚🚛🚙🛻
I wrote off the Paystar 5070 in the early stages of my play through because I found myself tipping over a lot. Also, even though the fuel consumption isn’t terrible, the tank itself isn’t all that big, making it seem like an undesirable option.
After watching this video I decided to give it another shot in Ontario. It pulled the rails on the wide flatbed semi trailer like it was nothing. The fact that you also equip the yellow crane with a high saddle is insane. I would’ve never thought about using this truck for a mission like this, and it made it look easy.
Thanks for the video Nathan and keep up the good work!
It’s a great truck. Not many folks know that it has heavier tires than normal North American trucks. I really hope they help the Derry special in the future to put it where it should belong with that much torque. Glad this video helped. I use the Paystar as a low saddle hauler soo much. I love it
@@NProvince funny thing, I’m in Ontario to unlock the derry special, but I guess I rediscovered another great truck lol. The paystar seems perfect for the step deck trailer and crane combo, lots of room in between. Definitely going to start to use it a lot more
My thoughts are simple about that one. If you need to pull some heavy weights through some deep mud you will use heavy transports with good mud tires like KOLOB, ZIKS or FEMM. But if your goal is to pull that weight up a hill you need some less grip tires and not so heavy transport.
That’s fair gameplan. The thing is, some trucks with low power to weight have really great pulling potential with the heaviest tires. The 605R for example never locked up on that hill, just a slow chug up it. On other instances like my Femm review, it showed it can really climb. I think both scenarios have some factors to consider especially through mud. Now this is where their collision models come into play.
I’ve had huge success in both the world of pulling hills and mud with a plethora of vehicles . I hope this video helped folks. It’s really all about how comfortable you are with your choice and it sounds like you got a pretty good understanding of that
Thanks for the info, Nate. How would I know tire weights? Also, what test map are you using that has the hill climb next to the garage?
Weights should be on Maprunnner website> resources> SnowRunner data spreadsheet. Also this map is a private map that a friend made
Finally being on PC and now getting to learning xml changing trucks, I've definitely found lowering torque and tweaking just the wheel weight gives alot more capabilities than upping torque and tire grip stats. Even adding truck weight and raising COG makes them feel so much better and handle better.
I def had a feeling you’d know this :). Glad you got your PC going
@@NProvince Appreciate that man. Just got er done Thursday night. It's B-E-Autiful 😎
Wait, so even tho the derry special has 200 kg tires, it gets outclassed by the paystar 5700(which also has 200kg tires but almost half the torque). How does that work? And the paystar climbed better that the 605r, which has 600 kg super heavys. Does switchable awd make such a big difference cuz I haven't played this game since season 2 dropped
So i wouldnt say its getting outclassed. We all know the Derry Special is pretty great, but in this scenario and others the point being made is that they allowed trucks with lesser torque like the 605R to outpull it even though its torque is greater. Switchable AWD is advantageous in certain situations with lower power to weight trucks like the Paystar in this instance allowing to continue that climb
Heavier tires and able to turn off AWD. That makes a huge diff in the game for sure. Great vid Nate ! TY. Also it would be awesome to have the tire weights listed in the game. . Or even just say heavy or normal whatever lol.
Ya having tires weights in game would be great. However the only truck that has the option to toggle between mediums and heavy (100kg and 200kg) is the Boar. Usually a truck is set to one specific tire weight. So what you could do is recognize the acronym and associate it with a tire weight. Sometimes saber can special code weights to be higher like the PLAD 450 being super heavy tires when usually the tires it can equip are actually just heavy. Sounds confusing, but using a cheat sheet is great especially the one on maprunner website > resources > SnowRunner data spreadsheet
Early on after release I modded the game files for most american trucks to have the P16 special tire. i remember that these OHD I massively changed the overall potential of these smaller trucks. I thought at the time, that was simply by the stat change, but this thory of yours would in part explain, why these tires worked that well.
That would make sense. So I don’t know if the P16s special OHD is slotted at 200kg or 600kg. I remember back in the day before I knew things like this; I believed the same thing about give NA trucks OHDs and the performance gaps between NA and RU trucks would close. I didn’t know at the time the affects of tire weights. I just knew trucks with them did better than UODs. I think that if they did, you’d see some wild changes to the way vehicles act.
Awesome video, Nate.
Thanks Rob! Hope the message was still clear on heavier tires despite it being a stream podcast rant
I was really impressed with the Paystar.
Have you done tests with tire size and pulling power? Because technically a larger tire diameter would give higher top speed, but also increase torque needed to turn that tire around.
While I would say this is a good test to do, I dont think it would yield that much of a different result. I dont really think the game reflects RL very much as these test show as well
This is impressive. Wondering if there is a point where too much weight makes it worse and if there is really any other reason to use anything else beyond OHD1 unless you do not have them available.
Well OHDs are slotted at 200kg. 600kg is the maximum so a tire heavier than the OHDs will perform better. I’m not sure if too heavy is a bad thing when it comes to tires, but I don’t see them making a tire heavier than 600kg. Usually trucks are slotted to have 100kg,200kg, or 600kg. The boar is the only truck I know that has two different “templates”. This is just to show that some trucks could use heavier tires to give them a bump potentially
It's almost like gear ratio is involved in some way. I'd be curious which trucks have a higher top speed and or more gears in the trans. The other issue may be that the torque number is split among the number of driven wheels.
There’s speculation that torque is not split between driven axles. I on the other hand think it does and that’s been due to my experience with toggling off AWD shows that force is being applied in full to the rear axles under diff lock.
@@NProvince Based on this test, it’s surely not a weight transfer issue as the weight would be completely on the rear axles because of the trailer weight and driving uphill. It seems as if the truck is getting a boost in power when the AWD is switched off, and the only way that happens is if you have more power on fewer wheels (as long as they have traction). The only other thing I can think of is trucks with more gears have a higher 1st gear ratio and thus more pulling power with everything being equal, or taller tires reduce gear ratio and available torque.
So to my understanding of this angular velocity in game is directly tied to torque throughput and larger tires try to acquire a higher angular velocity on every gear setting. With that a larger tire is able to achieve the max torque value from
Each gear. It’s really odd.
I never thought the Paystar is so capable. Impressive!
It’s all in those tires. Imagine if something like a 114SD got them?
@@NProvince I wish it did. Same with the Royal. Those so-called "offroad class" trucks have to have some drastic improvements over their "lesser" heavy-duty counterparts. Having access to heavy tires would be enough to justify that assessment.
AWD always on trucks make for weaker heavy haulers simply as that trick of disabling AWD has got me out of some jams especially with the Derry 4520
I would love to see Kenny do this
And the paystar has mini crane plus 2 slot plus trailer for great add on combos
Correct, but keep in mind this is not a paystar highlight, its just showing that Tire weights do increase pulling potential
@@NProvince yea for sure was just a bonus thought thanks for making the videos!
@@NProvince it should be, best truck imo. Perfectly balanced
After seeing this, I'm inclined to ask for a "Tire ranking Video" if it isn't too much to ask.
A tire ranking video.. I actually have 3 videos on tires right now currently. I would watch these in order if you haven’t yet. I believe these will really give you the answer of my thoughts on tire options. Also if you stop by the stream I can further answer or explain things if needed
1st: czcams.com/video/dIILT6cWQsE/video.htmlsi=9rYmQWFMScBJFUOm
2nd: czcams.com/video/V8lEcwFleFo/video.htmlsi=vyxYEbadZcnFy83E
3rd: czcams.com/video/M_267xI6Nr0/video.htmlsi=ZXZUr-gPLCYJ9Bvf
@@NProvince Thanks, will watch them.
I just wish the American trucks would get some updates like maybe give more of the American trucks Heavy Duty tires like I love the White that thing needs love
What the actual fck… i know then some trucks outperform others without a logical explanation for me so far. Boar is my #1 8 slot truck. It’s unstoppable, but i never had an explanation for the reason🤔 now i know more👌
The BOAR is pretty wild right?! It’s just a great vehicle. I hope this video kinda showed that the heaviest tires will aid in pulling power which is needed to be implemented on trucks like the Derry Special
Dunno how they programmed the physics or even how much of a factor it is but like I've said before: smaller wheels gives a better gearing for pulling. You need to compare the wheel diametres Nate and read up on how that affects torque
Wheel diameter is a factor in RL but I’m not sure it works the same way in SR. I can look at this and see, but even if it did produce a better effect, larger tires are usually the pick because they are the requirement to get higher clearances through raised suspensions
@@NProvince yeah ofc I go for bigger wheels. But would be interesting to compare pulling power with the smallest vs the biggest wheels on the same truck/same engine on dry surface. Then we could really explore if the devs take the diameter into account. Might make a good video :)
@@jafsterlordbib So bigger wheels and smaller wheels I dont think have been fleshed out to that capacity pertaining to real life. If you think about it, a heavier wheel would impede pulling power in RL due to causing more engine stress to move that tire weight right. I think SR does a good job with being somewhat a sim, but in truth its just a video game, but I can do testing with smaller tires to confirm
@@NProvince honestly I am not expecting much difference but it would be fun to put to the test. Curious to see your results!
But do heavier tyres in real world also perform better that way?
I would think not, Heavier tire means more force would be needed to be applied to propell the vehicle forward
Paystar Beast Mode confirmed
Stronger than most would thing for sure :)
I was finishing up Yukon and finally purchased the Paystar to do two high saddle missions. What a machine! And the engine is great. (I also tried for the first time CAT 770G for the final mission. Yukon was never the most fun, but that truck crushed my spirit and made the world a darker place. Always on diff.lock. Always off steering.)
That's pretty wild. Non-intuitive things like this can complicate the mission planning process. You should get college credits or CLPs for your studies. 🤣
lol ya know I held this video back for months because I was wondering if I would just further complicate and confuse folks. I hope it wasn’t too bad 😬😅
@@NProvince No, you're helping us establish a rule of thumb. Thanks, and God bless.
Mastedon and 605r would destroy that hill with that load 😂😂
605R did pull that hill well