Photography and the Rise of A.I. (a perspective)
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In this video I offer a perspective on photography and how it might be affected by the rise of A.I.
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My biggest concern for photography is that we just get so fed up with images everywhere and all the time. We lose the appetite... But maybe it is all fine. The already endless stream of millions of images on social media, is so shallow. So hopefully photography will survive in print and books. Print your photos. Give them to someone who actually cares. That's it. And forget "fame" on IG, Facebook, CZcams ... It's pointless....
YES
Great reply 👍 take them for yourself , print and give to someone you love
you say social media is pointless, in a comment on social media, to a former priest who has his own channel giving sincere advice that you probably checked out multiple times.... come one men. be a bit more self-aware. don't contradict yourself with words and actions. social media is cool and shit depending on how it's used. Sean Tucker is making good use of it, he seems legit, thus youtube is cool in his hands. so... don't be bitter.
and yes, print your photo's, I second that heartily.
@@user-vk8xm4vv1v what are you talking about? I am talking photography on social media. You are talking about social media in general. And where do you see an attack from me against Sean?? You actually don't sell social media very well.....
Photos of locations near me that I used to love just make me sick to look at them as they are everywhere on social media......
Never fails. I don’t know anyone who can speak about pretty much anything with such intellect and simplicity. His talent goes way beyond his photography. Sean’s narration is masterful and inspiring.
As a software engineer and photographer, a number of friends have asked me about my predicted impacts of AI on photography. My take is that stock photography will likely finish it’s slow death because the types of things it’s used for will be more efficiently made by AI. But there will be weddings and events, people who want a photo of themselves of their loved ones, and many other genres that can’t be faked because they capture a specific moment in time.
I think AI might actually be an interesting tool for concepting and mood boarding, allowing photographers to explore creative possibilities faster than having to do them manually.
Well they can use Ai to generate background to places they wish to be seen in front of without the cost of getting wed there. That is the key to people the cost savings
@@jgaffney567 I don’t think I agree with that assertion. Maybe some small number of people would do that for fun, but do people really want to lie about where they got married? There’s nothing stopping people from doing that with Photoshop now and I don’t expect it’s that common. At the end of the day people will want photos of their actual wedding, not manufactured shots of a fake wedding.
@@christopherbgriffithRemember Ai apps that instantly change your appearance....quick and easy .yeah that. Photoshop is too complicated. Most people don't wish to pay photographers and they think they are too expensive for " simply pushing a button" .
@@jgaffney567 Yeah, I understand what you’re saying. But people already face the dilemma of “do I pay for someone professional or do I just have friends take photos at my wedding, etc”. I just don’t think someone who believes in the value of getting well-made wedding photos will suddenly have their mind changed by AI and decide to literally fake the photos they show their friends, family, children eventually… maybe it will be useful for people who couldn’t afford to proper wedding photography or don’t see the value in it, but I just don’t see it undercutting the work of real wedding photographers capturing memories for people. In other words, people who pay for it now will continue to, and those who wouldn’t have anyway might use AI to generate something imaginary. I just think in the end most people won’t be willing to lie about their wedding photos, and it’s not a point of pride for a computer to have made up imagery that doesn’t exist.
@@christopherbgriffith There was an app that came out and it replaced actually having photographers. But i was curious as to why would they use that instead of just hiring a pro. The universal answer was for 5 bucks I could get pro results why should I pay a hundred or so the result is good enough. Add to that the various filters that make people look well like improved likenesses of them selves but nothing like real life. I question why would you want look unrealistic but they do. Now with Ai you can pretend to be married anywhere you want without the cost.
You remain as my favorite photographer of this generation, not for any silly reason. This video is another clear example why. Such a down to earth and human way of seeing things. Thanks for another great uplifting content. 😊🙏🏻
Thanks my friend.
When commercial photography began to switch from film to digital in the 90’s we lost a lot of clients that went “in house” because they felt they could save money and do it themselves. It changed professional photography forever. More recently, phones and Instagram have changed professional photography forever, again. Each change that makes it easier for anyone to do it, changes professional photography and slowly chips away at the validity of the profession. But, I see it as a positive. I see it bringing about the resurgence of photography in some of its original formats and creating a separation between the photographers that can do it, and those that can’t. Having Ai as a barometer will only strengthen photography in its purest form, photography that can be considered art.
I love this so much! You’re always setting the record straight in a very logical and respectful way.
I love that you called the 3D graphics person a "computer artist," because it is still an art, and the images are still an art form.
It really is. I've watched a few at work and it's an incredible skill.
@@seantuck one of my best friends is actually a lighting artist at disney and her personal illustrations and paintings are out of this world. Just like photography you need to have that knowledge of color theory, composition, how light and texture influence your subject, etc
Indeed. I paint. People thought painting was dead when photography came along, but it's still here and going strong. Another, less related, example is that more candles are sold now than even before we had electric light.
Thanks Sean, as a consumer - I don't want CGI to represent products because I want to know what they actually look like instead of what they might look like. Similarly many genres of photography deal with capturing a moment thinking about portrait and wedding photography specifically, and generating the moment instead of capturing it won't hold long term value because it won't have any memories or meaning behind it.
I called myself a photographer for the first time in 1986. I feel as good about the art form today. The transition to digital was amazing. My move to Ai has been nothing short of breath taking. Digital and AI now work hand and hand, back ground, skin repair. The removal of double chins since as I passed 60 my clients are older and a little bigger and they also know what I'm capable of. Said all that to say don't run away from Ai. Figure out when and how you use the tool.
I like the way Sean is addressing this current subject. In my book, Right Brain Photography (Be an artist first), I talk about heavily post-processed images. I say it's a different form of art; we just don't have a new name/word for it. So, we continue calling that too "Photography." I talk about creative ways of creating "right brain" images using creative in-camera techniques, rather than relying on computer-generated manipulation.
Sean, I think you are spot on with this! I really can't add anything more. I so enjoy your videos, always near perfectly in line with my way of thinking but in a way I would never be able to put into words as well as you do. I look forward to each and every one. Thank you!.
As someone who started shooting w/film back in 1970, I have watched photography change. Autofocus, cameras with light meters, etc. and then digital. It was said that with the advent of digital photography especially cellphones that photography was dead. And some news/war photographers have been caught doing more than was allowed for documentary work and lost their jobs. As someone who spent a decade with a small weekly newspaper, the most I did was exposure and cropping.
Exceptionally well presented. I recall (from my feeble memory) when I thought Photoshop was evil, and then I realized Photoshop’s “Dodge and Burn tools” were no different than Ansel Adams’ darkroom techniques , but with “layers”, I could remember and repeat my steps. Take ANY Ansel Adams photograph: can you imagine what it would take to make even two prints!
I commend you, life will go on, and technology, simply, advances: from a stick of graphite to a ball point pen to an Apple “Pencil” on an iPad to…
Very well constructed piece Sean bravo for bringing this subject up and giving a very unique take on this. As you say its new technology and weve been here before but never will it replace the physical human element, we do have to evolve and learn to embrace new things and adapt if needed to secure the future of the art.
Spot on, Sean. Spot on. Indeed you had to present something about that matter. Once again you did it. Diplomatically and, as always, elegantly.
We'll have to adapt, be vigilant, and keep delivering the real stuff.
Thanks.
Un abrazo,
Eric
Thanks Sean, in the end, the craft of photography will prevail. A real image, captured skilfully is what matters.
Great video and commentary Sean. I'm not worried about AI. The vast majority of photography is done by people who simply enjoy the activity and expressing themselves. This will always be the case.
Very well said Sean, I loved your perspective on this. I agree, real images are very different from something generated with AI. I do believe that there might well be an oversaturation of AI images in the future, that would make real photography even more valuable in the sea of computer generated imagery. Also, as AI improves, so does AI that can detect whether an image is real or generated. There will most definitely be very good ways to distinguish real photographs from AI in future, so much so that AI images could immediately be classified and labeled as such upon upload to the web
The Best video I have seen & learnt a lot this year!
Thank you, once again, for sharing your very thoughtful perspectives! This is always greatly appreciated because it helps me develop and refine my own thoughts on these and other issues!
"How it's made, matters deeply". Well said.
what a refreshing and positively forward looking take. Much appreciated.
I think AI will mainly affect working photographers, because as you said there are some genres that can be replaced with this technology in the future.
But for hobbyists I don‘t think much will change. Most of us shoot not so much for the outcome but much more for the process of taking good pictures. And that won‘t be touched by AI.
However I‘m worried that the broader audience will get used to AI generated imagery and the spectacular and outerworldly places that can be made. And as a consequence will numb to the „simpler“ beauty of real photographs.
So well put!
Thanks for this great video!!!!
Thank you sean for this timely video.
You're spot on with this perspective about authenticity and the need for /real photography/, Sean. There's so much doom-and-gloom about AI imaging, and almost all of it is focused the wrong things. People are so worried about "the death of art/writing/photography" that they miss the important part about the value of authenticity and the source of creativity. Sure, there are LOADS of other problems that come along with the rise of AI, but most of them are more about corporate abuses, fair and realistic representation, and our lack of 21st solutions to copyright/intellectual property issues than they are about the death of the artist.
I think it's worth noting that we can also take this perspective and apply it other areas of concern about AI: controversy over ChatGPT in eduction, AI generated literature and poetry, AI generated music. This is not a crisis where everything that's working well is falling apart. Rather, it's an opportunity see how the way we've been doing things for the past century or more might not actually be the best or only way to do it.
Thanks for being a realist and a voice of reason.
Thanks Sean, everything you say on this topic makes sense.
Usually skip videos claiming art, photography or designers are dead due to AI, but your voice always brings something more real to the discussion and I had to listen to you. Glad I did. We think about the same lines.
And this is why I love your videos Sean. Thank you.
Thanks for the inspiration and for your perspective. The meaning and the message is on point. Photography will always be a medium I enjoy.
A brilliant reflection on a difficult topic! Thanks, Sean, for inviting us to think about what A.I. means for the world of photography.
Great one, Sean!
Great work as always. You are by far the best when it comes to your videos about photography. I wanted to start a CZcams channel, and it’s looking at work like this, that made me reconsider. I am thankful of your work.
You are totally right I think. We will adjust. It will also mean that photography will be valued more by those that are interested. Much like the growth in film based photography atm. So many great points. Thanks.
Very refreshing and balanced video Sean, thank u!
Thank you, Sean. I very much enjoyed the video and your balanced perspective. I like to create art by taking photographs at sporting events. I love capturing people doing something they love, and sharing this within the sporting community and more widely. I can sit down with midjourney and I can use words to 'create' an image which is already not far from looking real. I can even reference well known sports stars and the AI will work its magic to deliver something similar to my own work with sports stars I have never met. In your video you acknowledge how the different processes are not comparable. One is real (mainly - with some edits etc), one is imagined (less real). And, if I am correct you argue that the real 'seen' image will always be highly valued because of the greater level of authenticity. That does help me feel better. And, when sharing the work within my sporting photography community, that authenticity will be acknowledged. On the negative side, I do foresee that the value of 'real' photos outside a specific community, shared on social media, will be diluted by the increasing prevalence of AI imagery. People won't know and they won't be bothered to establish authenticity. That will undermine 'real' photography when it's outside its community. It's a serious change, and I think it makes the Photoshop change seem like small fry. I do know that good photography will also be valued, and survive. But our environment will be changing more than we can imagine in the next period. It's good for our community to debate this and understand each other's perspectives.
I love the perspective you bring into this topic, the photoshop was a brilliant example of what we as photographer cannot and can progress in the realm of technology advancing process. The need for real is not only a great point, but the essential need of what makes photography into what it is nowadays. AI surely is an interesting and useful technology, but we will have to go along the way more to figure how to utilize them in a neat and respectful way to benefit us as a whole. Love the video. Keep it up.
As usual, you've thought this through and present your material clearly and concisely. Thanks so much for the work you do!
That was great and very thoughtful. Thank you.
Great video, very down to earth realistic point of view, love it.
Thank you. I appreciate your level-headed approach to the topics you discuss; it's a refreshing change from all the sensationalist opinions that rise to the top.
very thought provoking and insightful. Thank you Sean.
Very well said!!! Thank you once again 😊❤
Thanks for your insight Sean .
Very well said, sir. Great video!
I completely agree with Sean here. I recently took a portrait of a girl and posted it online. Someone left a comment that it looked like it’s ai generated. This was the first time that somebody told my photo is from AI. Honestly, I thought that it’s either that person thinks my photo is pretty good to be real or that it is heavily edited. I doubt the latter because I hardly did any post process, just exposure correction and a bit of vibrance. Now the problem here is that I think some people will tag our work as from AI even when they have no knowledge of photography nor AI at all.
It won't be long before thats considered a compliment. We rely on camera sensors and learned techniques to capture todays images. Tomorrows AI won't have these limitations as it will have the culminated knowledge of how to make the photo without any physical objects to hold it back.
There’s a significant difference between PS and other digital tools and AI generators: interpretation. PS gives you an array of tools that you still need to know how to use in order to achieve specific results; AI generators are filtering your initial input through their interpretation of what makes an image. In essence, they are carrying the user on their shoulders so that the user appears to be skilled at crafting an image - understanding composition, framing, line, shape, color, light. Very soon, AI generators will allow users to adjust and fine-tune every element and parameter on the image generated; the only thing the user needs is “taste”. Ira Glass has a very famous observation about the beginner’s struggle between taste and skill - how stuff works in their head but their skill is still too poor to properly execute it. AI generators will change that paradigm forever. That’s the issue.
It is true, however, that situations that live off of registering and documenting reality will continue to rely on skill and craft with a camera. But everything else, particularly commercial, product and fashion photography, will become a thing of the past - even architectural photography, when NeRF technology gets polished up, will be history.
To piggyback on what you shared about IKEA catalog photos, AI generators are also going to turn filmmaking on its head. As soon as results are photorealistic and you can adjust everything within the shot, no client, production company or studio will continue to pay thousands (let alone millions) of dollars to hire crews, equipment, locations, build sets, move all that army around, feed them, run against time and setting sun, fight for extra hours because equipment malfunction delayed production, etc. That is all on its way out. The more crowded filmmaking will get is having department heads - Production Designer, DP, Virtual Cam Op eventually, Editor, Composer, Sound Mixer, Director, Producer to manage and hire actors’ avatars - around a computer. Not sure this will make the art form any better.
There is a huge caveat to that. What we currently know as “AI”, large language models, are not really suitable for exact, repeatable results and can’t create fundamentally new content. Its even bad at things which are uncommon in the training data. So if you want to generate image series of a really new product or design, it might not work.
And that not about early stages of a technology, these are fundamental limitations of this entire line of AI research.
@@JohnDoe-rl9ft Contrary to what you think, that is simply a current limitation of technology. Actually, it doesn’t even need to output a new product or design, it just needs to present you with a working basis, an approximation, which you then manipulate to materialize what you want. NVIDIA has stated that, very soon, computational imagery - i.e. computer graphics in games and, obviously, CGI in movies - will not be rendered, but generated. Imagine something like UE5 fused with an AI generator... there will be no limits to what’s possible to create, in an accessible, easy to operate way, with just a computer. That’s where we are headed. This technology gives everyone an extremely powerful exoskeleton that enables them to perform in ways only a few of them would be able to otherwise. We will have to wait and see what this will do for the industry itself, but it seems reasonable to assume it will become slightly crowded.
The philosophic photographer. Down to earth with keen insight, logically expressed. I agree with most of what you said, but I respect all of what you said. Thank you, Sean, for addressing this topic. I believe it is on the minds of many.
More wise words. Really appreciate your reasoned, level-headed perspective on this.
"Writing with light"...I like that a lot...well stated sir
Love your channel
Great video. I'm totally on your side on this.
Well said! Excellent perspective! Ty!
Up load a snapshot of a face and the A.I. will produce any type of portrait you want. A.I. landscapes are limitless and sublime. We simply cannot compete
You've missed the point Sean was making.
As a trained archivist - Never do anything to an artifact that can’t be undone, or it is lost.
Don’t change an image so much that the subject and its surroundings are unrecognizable.
I learned photography on film. So the image was recorded on that medium. Make a print, put it through the process of dodging & burning. Use single grade or multigrade papers and filters to boost contrast or reduce.. pick warm or cold tone papers and retouch the image with a paint brush and dyes if needed. Multiple exposures on the same frame. or expose two frames or one print to create an image in the paper. The original is on a film strip.
Digital photography is the Raw image
So there is ways of artistic creativity. The same with photography computer programs for editing.
What we as photographers shouldn’t do is change a tree line or landscape, hill , or road. Change a person’s face, delete people, or something that sets off a red flag. “ i know that area”
It doesn’t look like that. Or something that should be there that isn’t. That photo of you looks strange.What happened.
These people will be found out.
Well said Sean ! Thank you .
Thanks for your balanced view
Thank you. Your words inspired me, especially "There will always be a need for the Real" !
Wise words sir. Thank you as always.
Yes, I totally agree! When Digital cameras came out the same things were being said, the end of photography. Embrace and adjust. There will always be a need for image creators, of all types.
More like image directors. The AI will do the creating
That's one amazing thumbnail. 😄
The voice of reason; so good to hear. AI is not all doom and gloom. As someone once said, escalators have not replaced stairs. There will always be photography. As you say, the recording of the real.
I absolutely agree there will always be need for real stuff.. the same like with food. Thank you for sharing, Sean
I think we're living right in the middle of a transition. No one knows how this will be going through but I'm with you Sean. I don't think AI imagery will be a major threat to most of the photographers. How to overcome our own huddles always has been one of the biggest problems for all photographers but it seems people care too much about AI thingy rather than that. But it is obviously an issue at the moment. Thank you so much Sean for telling us your honest and thoughtful idea!
Thank you. I enjoyed this vide and certainly makes one think.
This is why producing your own photographic artworks with meaning is so important
Excellent piece, Sean. Thank you for voicing the importance of accepting what is without projecting speculation or fears. Humans crave what is real and AI generates images that are not photography. It’s a cool technology to have and creating images this way is probably interesting and fun, but it neither replaces a photograph or the experience of photographing. If we’re honest, it’s the act and experience of photographing that we love. I won’t get that experience sitting behind a computer. Alas, mediocre will still be mediocre and common, and expertise will still be expertise and rare. That value won’t change.
So beautifully said.
Absolutely. I would have thought artists felt the same way about photography.
keep going bud always
Always loved your videos Sean..... at last a decent and logical video about AI and it's effects on photography from someone who thinks much like I do.
Well said Sean!
Another great video ;) regards
Yes. This is how I feel about this. This is how I’m building my brand as a photographer. I’m courting clients who want to document the reality of their families, businesses, stories.
Thank you for this video, this positivity was needed. I do wish AI can be regulated so they can be used in a more controlled manner. The co-existence of AI and working professionals would make a huge difference. I've already seen like minded photographers using AI as a tool to generate inspiration for their next shoot or personal project, Stylists using AI to generate new ideas and then handcrafting them. Co-existence has a better future than either rejecting AI or misusing AI to replace real work.
Thanks Sean. Reminding us about Photoshop was brilliant. 😄
I think that human generated art will be even more special. People choosing to capture the world instead of asking AI to show their mind will be more precious than ever before. 🤓
Thankyou!
Thanks for your thoughts on this, Sean. It will be interesting to see where this goes and how photographers negotiate these technological changes. One of the areas I work in is technology and ethics and I'm currently doing some work on AI. The generation of images is a very tangible way people can see AI's development and use and hence engenders many passionate opinions, not the least shaped by our claim that creativity is something uniquely human. Keep thinking and talking about this. It will be helpful for many, I think.
Love the positivity you add to this debate, Sean. Ultimately, the majority of artists have integrity and would find it difficult to be deceitful by using AI... and people like art that has a human connection and therefore will, I believe, seek out authenticity. Thanks you for your clearly considered view on this topic.
Well said!
Another Youtubber asked a question on his Instagram about our opinion of AI. My primary thought was that some areas of photography may suffer, however, hobbyists will continue to take pictures. The Joy of photography comes in the process of capturing to shot, if we get any compliments or likes then great, if not, we have found joy in our work. And I agree, people will demand something authentic or "hand made" It's why Etsy became so popular, people were rebelling against the highly manufactured.
Always interesting, always thought provoking…many thanks Sean. As an amateur photographer I take pictures for myself and have used editing software to manipulate aspects of those pictures for years now…. Once they used to say a photograph never lies, but almost from the beginning this was never true! Perhaps we really are living in the Matrix……
"No place is boring if you’ve had a good night’s sleep and have a pocket full of unexposed film.” -- Robert Adams
I dont know about the film, but Godbless the good night sleep makes any place amazing
A very reassuring message.
The most balanced opinion I have heard from a photographer about the AI topic. Thanks for sharing it with us.
A thoughtful video from the philosopher of photography.
Thanks for saying this - a very important message especially when the proliferation of AI generated images is making people seriously think about the future of photography and photographers
Thanks Sean, I've been mulling this too and after I got through the bugger it I'm going completely analogue stage, I reminded myself that while I do share my images on socials I’m not a photographer for anyone but me. I like creating and it's good for my mental health so it doesn't matter if other people are using AI, as long as they aren't claiming not to, my photography is for me first so I shouldn't get wound up about what other people do and how they do it. As someone very wise once said, “the meaning is in the making” 😂
Absolutely!
I think you bring up some great points and it actually makes me think if there will actually be more of a resurgence in photojournalism. Because you will no longer be able to trust consumers phone photos or videos (since any consumer can just fabricate a "photo" at will) then maybe more photojournalists will be required to spread our resources so they have people that they can trust witnessing these events. Just some food for thought
Couldn't agree more Sean. In landscape photography I think there'll be a demand to see beautiful photos of real places under real light that a human can actually visit and have a chance of seeing that place under similar conditions. As for the 'fake' work, I think as long as it's disclosed and credit is given for scraped work, there should be no limits. Same with composites put together in Photoshop.
Well said. AI will mostly impact the fields where manipulation is already rampant, fields that already have a tenuous link with photography.
Important to remember too that Photoshop simply digitised darkroom concepts that had been in use for decades prior. Airbrushing, dodging/burning, overlaying - and especially in Stalin-era USSR - wholesale removal of undesirable people (!) had existed since the early 1920s. My grandfather was a press photographer in the 1950s-1980s and it is ironic to consider the rules regarding manipulation in press images these days, as back then he did some pretty wild things in order to fit otherwise impossible images into the limited space afforded by newspaper layouts of the day.
beautiful
Progress will always create an element of anxiety.
Thanks for speaking up on this Sean. My world is one of marketing content - people at work, virtual tours etc and telling the truth through images is what works best. A.I. has its place, but not in my world. Not for my clients. We want people to see images that properly represent what to expect when they show up or when they meet people in person.
What's probably lacking at this time is a better way of authenticating images... disclosure. I"d hope that this will become part of the next development of this fascinating, useful technology.
Agreed:)
Thank you for this great video! I think as well the upcoming from A.I. is going to cost a lot of photographers their jobs, especially in the commercial industry. And maybe they have to find a new market or genre of photography. Which don't have to be bad, if they going to find a new style or genre of photography. I think it's very important to tell a story, of what our photography is about, and show our human characters. This is something A.I. can't do and will not be able to replicate! I wonder if analog photography is now coming more, because of the characteristic that it can't be manipulated this much....
My copy of the Magazine in on the way :) the costing of shipping is quite step. Paid 8 pounds of shipping to Portugal. :/ still good value for money I’m sure. Great video btw. I’m part of a project named “A Barca das Imagens” here in Portugal and last month event was precisely about this theme. Personally as a photographer I love everything that has to do with the process. So for me, AI is something I try out of curiosity. As someone that works on the IT area for over 30 years, it’s natural to have the curiosity to test and try. While not my cup of tea as a process for myself, I do like the see some of the work and I recognize that there is a great deal of creativity in building proper queries and selecting the best results. And AI can be a starting point that can then be complemented by post processing and give the author even more artistic influence on the end result. Pretty nice work already been produced. As a consumer its amazing the evolution of the engines. As a producer, it’s all about the process for me, so I prefer the “traditional” way of writing with light :). Cheers
I want to add another point: the easier it gets to produce photo realistic images with ai, there more people will use it, just because it's easier and there is less work behind it. So there may be less photographers in total in the future, but those who stay and keep their integrity could stand out more than before.
i agree,but i cant see it,why travel to get that shot,where you can sit at home?
Wow , amazing point of view
@@shedendman well one thing is capturing the real world and the other thing is an animation which doesn't exist in reality, no matter how good it looks. Why do we still eat real strawberries if we can imitate the taste perfectly with chemistry? because we like things that are real, crafted by nature and not by machines. We want the original and not an imitation of something.
@@paullichte if you shut your eyes,can you still say its a strawberry?