Kirtland History and Nauvoo Archaeological Findings
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Rod Meldrum was involved in archaeological digs in Nauvoo, where Hopewell bones and artifacts were recovered. He has visited Kirtland and Nauvoo several times and brings some great insights to this interview.
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I can’t stop weeping for joy. I know it’s silly as a dude to do this but it cuts to the heart.
Hurrah for Israel!!
Hurrah for Israel! Exactly
Did u serve mission in south africa?
Amen, Hurrah for Israel!!!!
Exciting wonderful information! Thank you so much!
My daughter went on her mission to Ohio. She loves Mr. Kirtland! She wanted to introduce him to us when we went back to her mission/Kirtland but he wasn’t home that day. I have his book, and look forward to meeting someday. Love ya Rod. Love all you do for truth. Thanks Greg for having him on.
I had the privilege of playing the piano in the Kirtland Temple during a group tour. We did sing "The Spirit of God like a fire is burning". What a memorable, beautiful exerience. The Kirtland Temple is indeed a treasure.
Rod is da bomb! Thanks for having him on, Greg. Good to see him out 'n about again kicking up some dust. He and the other Heart Landers are cleaning house!
Joseph wrote “I was also informed concerning the aboriginal inhabitants of THIS COUNTRY, and shown who they were, and from whence they came; a brief sketch of their origin, progress, civilization, laws, governments,…“. He went on to write “The remnant are the Indians that now inhabit THIS COUNTRY. This book also tells us that our Saviour [Savior] made his appearance upon THIS CONTINENT…”.
This was a satisfying interview in that Rod was able to speak without incessant interruptions and demonstration of the interviewer’s knowledge. Nice job
I was thinking the opposite. He would hardly stop talking to take a breath.
Gotta love Bro Meldrum’s love and enthusiasm for the church and the prophet Joseph. 😊
My 4th great grandfather Artemis Millett was the exterior Superintendent on the temple. He was responsible for all of the masonry and the “special” plaster recipe. Brigham Young told Joseph Smith that he knew someone in Canada ((Artemis Millett). Who could do the work, so Joseph told Brigham to go to Canada and baptize Artemis and tell him to bring $1000 back to Kirtland and help to build the temple. Artemis was baptized and did bring much skill from his masonry company and work in Canada and also much cash. He helped to buy shoes and food for many of the temple workers.
Ohhhh, this is really thrilling to have you both together. Listen to the excitement!! I'm so grateful for this new excitement between the members of the church, watching God prevail and seeing miracles! This is a great day in our church history!!
But, I wonder what the discussions at COC meeting houses will be this coming Sunday. #GoWokeGoBroke
Angels appeared on the roof of the Kirkland Temple during the dedication
My Grandpa Ariah C Brower helped with the death masks of Hyrum and Joseph! Blew my mind when I saw them in the SLC church museum. Keep sharing your knowledge Rod. It resonates so deeply within me and helped reactive me after years of inactivity. True story...when I heard you served your mission in Italy, I freaked a bit more as I discovered my biological Fathers Italian family at the same time I was learning about the Heartland model. For me, GOD used Brother Meldrum to work all things together for my families good🙌🏼
The feeling in the Kirtland temple is like none other I have felt--dedicated or not!
I so agree! The Spirit is so strong there - I can't imagine what it will feel like now!❤
John Murdock’s wife’s name was Julia. I’m named after her.
Are you a descendent? After Julia died, my g-g-g-grandparents took in the older Murdock boy until John could get back on his feet.
Between the kirtland temple , nauvoo smith homestead, mansion house, and red brick store ; the church will probably need 50 to a 100 more missionaries there.
I stopped watching this episode to find and watch the John Tanner Story on You tube. What a very beautiful story. Then back to continue watching you again. Thank you for this. Faith promoting and inspiring. .
My husband is his John tanner descendent. He was an amazing man
Also ..when we were there in Oct (2023) the missionaries in Historic Kirtland told us that some of "our" missionaries had begun leading tours in the Temple as an "experiment" between the two churches! But it never crossed my mind that it was a precursor to the Temple being sold.
We love Rod!!! (Glad he’s on CZcams, now.) Do we believe in signs from the heavens? I don’t think that Salem and Nineveh are inconsequential coincidences. Such exciting stuff!!! Two powerhouse people in this podcast! Thank you! ❤
Greg is an amazing host! I enjoy the guest being able to speak without interpretation. Great job as always Greg, and Rod is always someone I want to listen to. Get Wayne May on if possible!
Wow. Just... Wow! I love this! I love how the Smith family is buried in the sacred burial place of the Nephites!!! It so reminded me of when the Israelites carried the bones of Joseph of old up out of Egypt to be buried in the sacred burial place of his fathers Abraham, Isaac Jacob along with Sarah, Rebecca, and Leah. So special that Joseph Smith as a remnant seed of Joseph and his family are buried along with others who were a remnant of Joseph of old. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I'm curios , would you put your name on the line that your comments above to everyone are true? That you would say those things in Christ's name?
Am also great full that we got our temple back I also thank our brethren the community of Christ for taking care of it . our the lord is the God of miracles his ways are higher than our understanding the lord remembers the sacrifices of pioneer who built it
Of course the eclipse is significant and the woman giving birth. We’ve been told to watch for these signs then we will know the time is near. There’s nothing wrong with seeing the signs and being aware of what their significance may be. I find it exciting.
I love Rod’s energy, he needs to have his own channel and do livestreams of his tours! He’s awesome!
For those wanting more information on how big this miracle to be able to work with the Community of Christ is, you need to read the missionary journal of Don Brewer who was the Mission President over the Kirtland area years ago. Hearts had to be changed. ❤
Heyyyyyy!!! It's Hot Rod, my bestie! Lol! Sorry Rod, but I'm just jealous you get to talk to Greg! I have withdrawals if I can't get my daily fix of Greg's videos! 😊 Thanks to you both for all you do!!
I was in that audience when Rod announced that check.
He was right about a significant purchase just too exuberant about identifying it. 😊
Thank you for having Rod on again!
❤❤❤ all this new information! We were in Nauvoo in 1999, got home and heard the announcement of the rebuilding of the Temple! Now to see it in person.
Greg is an excellent interviewer! His guests always get to share their message. He know how to guide the interview without taking over. His questions to his guest show his incredible listening skills that are able to key in on the crux of the matter.
This has little to do with THIS interview, as Rod is manically eloquent, not leaving any room for ‘interruptions’😂❤
Thank you
Great show ! Love you guys !
Nicely done. John Tanner was my 3rd great grandfather. A few things that Rod mentioned in his narrative about John Tanner a bit off and not true to fact, but his heart was in the right place.
Awesome stuff! The artifacts sound very intriguing!
Great information. Thank you, Brother Matsen and guest.
Excellent! Perhaps your best yet, Greg!
Excellent topic and guest!
Thanks for another awesome Video. I love brother Meldrum for his genuine deep love in the History of the Restored Church of Jesus Christ. Blessings 💙
Love you both great episode!!!
I could listen to Ron all day long! He is so knowledgeable but humble.
Fascinating interview as per usual. It’s always great to hear from Rod.
Absolutely incredible information!
What a great interview with Rod! And I absolutely believe what Rod is saying about Nauvoo being a Hopewell Indian settlement and sacred burial ground. When you read the Book of Mormon, the City of Gideon is on the east side of the River Sideon and Zarahemla is on the west side of the River. Therefore the city of Gideon was a very sacred place, because it was named after the great warrior Gideon who stood up to Nehor. And he was slain upon a mount in the city of Gideon. It is a possibility that the Mount that Gideon was slayed upon is possibly where the Nauvoo Temple was situated many hundreds of years later, of course.
When I was in Nauvoo many years ago back in 1985, there was something so sacred about the ground and the whole city, that the Spirit of the Lord resides in that whole City. And the air is so thick with the power of the Holy Spirit, that I know that place is sacred to God. It just feels like sacred burial ground is there!
I hope that Rod Meldrum gets the opportunity to go down into the basement of the Little Red Brick Store and see all those artifacts. These things need to come up out of the dark and out of the basements and into the light so that we may get to see the truth!
What a fabulous interview. So much information. I loved the archeological information. I thoroughly enjoyed this.
Thank you for this exciting and interesting episode!
What a Great line up, so good to see Bro Meldrum!
Love Rod Meldrum. Thanks for the post. It's sad that so many Saint's don't know the rich history of this Temple.
LOVE THIS SO MUCH!
In one of my institute classes in the 90s , we talked about how often Joseph smith was receiving revelation from the Savior during the saints time in kirtland. It was as a free flow communication between the Lord and Joseph Smith concerning the needs of the saints there both individually and collectively. Remarkable.
Great show! Great guest!
This is absolutely fascinating! I truly enjoyed this discussion ! I love the history and the discoveries that have been made about the Book of Mormon and it's people! I am so thankful the church purchased these amazing, historical and very important properties.
Love Rod he’s a genuine Spirit!
He Loves The Book of Mormon, I love his testimony.
I love it Rod!!!
i dont understand the extend of the meaning of this reapropriation of the temple but i can only say the angels are rejoicing to this event.
This is so exciting. I was just recently wondering if there is any archeological evidence in the Zarahemla area across from Nauvoo. Fascinating to learn of ancient bones and arrow heads and Hopewell mounds. It makes sense with all the wars in the Book of Mormon. Also amazing to learn that the Nauvoo area is the first place where crossing the river on foot used to be possible. They definitely crossed the river Sidon in the Book of Mormon. I would love to learn more of what has been found across the river from Nauvoo in what may be ancient Zarahemla.
The church has no statement on the geography of the Book of Mormon events, only that it happened in the Americas.
It's a happiest of memories that my now deceased husband and I had on a glorious Fall day. After watching the referenced film when the drapes opened we both gasped at the beauty of the Temple on that crisp, Fall day. What a sacred memory, Thanks for prompting that memory..we have the annotated Book of Mormon compiled by Bro. MELDEUM...Jennifer Brown hosted an evening when we got that wonderful treasure of a book.
I can't stop crying for this day. I used to bw a member of the Church but lost my membership in 2009. I have tried to come back but the Church will not allow me to return. But that does not stop my faith and the love that I have in the Church, in my Savior and especially my Father in Heaven. Maybe one day!!!!
Why won't they let you come back? I was excomunicated 2 times and the 2nd time took me a while to come back, yes it was hard but it but it was worth it! You have my support..if you want to talk let me know...
I am a hugh fan of Wayne May. I love the man for the work he has done pertaining to heartland archiology. Im grateful Rod picked up where Wayne left off.
Excellent thank you.
You're welcome!
My wife's family is descended from John Tanner, and that promise from Joseph Smith to him has been true for all of the family they know of, including ours, no matter how we have struggled in other things.
John Tanner and his descendants were literally received into an *unconditional* Abrahamic covenant with God, because of John Tanner's faith in Jesus Christ. Property, Posterity, Prosperity, Priesthood, etc. Absolutely remarkable.
Interesting to me is that a few large ancient North American earthworks were constructed in the shape of the square and the circle, and sometimes the octagon. Some had just the square and circle but at least one was built in all three distinct shapes. Archeologists saw no practical reason for the shapes and assumed they might have been for religious purposes…
The center of the X formed by the eclipses is at New Madrid. I guess we will see if there is some significance to that. Great podcast!!
I found your discussion, very thorough and enlightening. It would be interesting to find out the details behind the church on Temple Lot, and where they stand, not only financially, but why they are adamant about never selling it to the LDS church.
I’m a direct descendant of John Tanner. The lasting legacy of his story, aside from the Kirtland temple, is the promise he received from the Prophet Joseph when he forgave the Temple debt.
To this day, as far as we know, no one in our family ever has wanted to food, despite financial challenges in some branches of the family tree, we’ve always had food. That promise has been “fulfilled” per se, it’s constantly being fulfilled.
Rod, I so want to go! The first week of April is Spring Break here in Davis County Utah. Can you give me info how to be apart of this?!
That's the question curiosity I had. Would the Church do renovations on the buildings as to their age prior to their opening to the public?
How can I join the tour to the eclipse X?
The Sak and Faux tribe were around Illinois at the time. Was there any work with the church at that time between them.
As I Think about this purchase by The Church, I'm wondering what significant properties, or artifacts, the Community of Christ (CoC) might have left that the "Salt Lake Church" would be interested in purchasing? Obviously the CoC has significant land in Independence, Missouri, but what else is there?
When I come to the US I want to come to Kirkland Temple first
Not interested in Utah now
Will it be re dedicated?
Hey Greg, Last Dispensation just interviewed Jonathan Neville regarding the BOM translation article in the March edition of the Liahona. JONATHAN walks through the article and shows how the histrorians intentional mislead members in this article and dismissed what JS
, himself, had to say about it. Would you have Jonathan back and discuss this article on your show?
Will we eventually be able to do ordinances there
No. The deal includes a promise to leave it open just as it is for everyone to see.
The mission of The Kirtland Temple was not to do ordinances, but to recieve the Priesthood Keys for them. It has served it's purpose.
Faith precedes miracles!
I also played The Spirit of God for our tour group to sing. In The Kirkland Temple.
If Zarahemla is across the river from Nauvoo, that would mean that the location of the Nauvoo Temple is the location of the battle that Alma and the Nephites had against the Amlicites and Lamanites. That would of course be the case IF the City of Zarahemla was in fact located across the Mississippi from Nauvoo and yet the temple is not that high in elevation to actually be considered a "hill" nevertheless, the Book of Mormon refers to the hill on the east side of the River Sidon from the City of Zarahemla.
I love Rod and all his knowledge. I really enjoy your show because you bring on people who have some different views but who might also be correct. Someone else you need to invite is Michelle Stone because her message is very important and relevant for our day! Thanks Greg, love your show!
And Gwendolyn Wyne.
What message from Michelle Stone do you feel is important and relevant for our day?
The Home Educator advocate?
@@dcarts5616Her channel is called 132 problems.... Go read D&C 132 and you will know.
@@MommaCrissaI have and I was just checking to e see what you were referencing. MS fancies herself a prophetess and I’m not sure she’s the best example to have on this channel for faithful people. Now, to have an opposing view, sure bring her on. The spirit I get watching her, while she is most likely 100% good intentioned in her mind, is darkness.
The letter is in the Joseph smith papers.
"... some sort of sign?..." with this and so many other things, no. Signs aren't the things we get excited about. Signs are the things which are foretold, and then get fulfilled. A sign is not just something that happens and we are excited about it. Yes, I do believe a sort of superstition can exist in the mind of a believer in Christ when looking for things which they hope are there
how did the "Community of Christ" manage to "hold-on" to any property in Nauvoo since the Saints were driven out and forced to turn-over their property to the mobs. Didn't the Saints that stayed in Nauvoo also have to give-up their Property? I ask because my Great-Grandfather (Aroet Hale) left his property and forced out to Utah. I've often wondered what my family would look like if Aroet would have opted to stay in Nauvoo and keep his property there.
Since reparations are such a huge focus right now, I must say I’m for it too. The US government “owes” my family, yours, a ton of money. I can’t imagine what my lot in life would look like had the land my family owned there not been violently taken by the Christian and Government mobs back in the JS/BY pioneer era. 😮
@@dcarts5616 On the subject of reparations... honestly I would rather not go down that path. Its a never ending cycle of you owe me and grudges when you boil things down and a general entitlement for descendants that are far removed from the event in question.
To quote a pioneer who came west during the time paraphrased..... The price to become acquainted with God was worth it.... far more than what they lost in the end.
God will make all things right in the end better than man could ever. It hurts, but in the end that's part of coming down to earth and living life. You lose some, you win some. That's just part of the mortal experience. If all things were ALWAYS fair... it would not be Gods plan but would resemble closer to satan's plan..... YUCKY.
I did not come here for all things to be fair all the time, I came knowing life would someone be downright unfair at times that makes my soul weep.This state in life though would be far more rewarding and far more opportunities to learn and grow in the end.
I would rather move on despite myself having ancestors who lost land from this event. I live a pretty happy and fulfilling life for myself after all, not perfect, but happy enough. What good would reparations do for me????? Nothing really other than taking from someone else who had nothing to do with things as much as I have nothing to do with this past event. That would make me sad honestly because they need that for their family during these hard times and make resentment.... I don't want that.
@@ShiningSakura I 110% agree with what you wrote. I was just being facetious. ;)
Reparations will descend into a neverending you owe me, I owe you conversation. It’s a bummer our ancestors had an extermination order signed against them. It’s a bummer they had to leave everything. We aren’t asked to walk away from our land, we are asked to walk away from temptations and lifestyles that don’t exist in their day. Which is harder?
@@amynazza Exactly!
Look up Nineveh.... i didn't plot them out, but there are 7 cities with that name and they should all be in the path of the eclipse happening in a few weeks. Pretty crazy stuff... that can't be accidental or coincidental. Not with 7 Salems with the eclipse in 2017. Something to think on at least.
Thank you Greg and Rod Meldrum. I really enjoyed your podcast. I had a chance to meet Karl Anderson several years ago in Kirtland. His book Joseph Smith's Kirtland is one of the most spiritual books I have ever read. Most people are not aware that there were many appearances of the Father and the Son there, even before the temple dedication. Here is a video of Brother Anderson in Kirtland: czcams.com/video/PzI4r_Tk9wo/video.html
What if it's an Ephraim burial site? Joseph was prophecied in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon is the records of the Line of Joseph who was sold into Egypt. Just a thought.
The Kirtland Temple tour was $10 each when we were there in Oct (2023). I've been there twice before and don't remember ever being charged. So grateful that our tours will be free, as with all our sites. My only concern is that non-members (and members alike) will not be able to feel the difference in the Spirit from the Temple and Historic KIRTLAND. I've always been able to feel it.
Don't be concerned. Those that are in tune and willing/able to feel the spirit will. It's not something to be forced upon people. I believe that with our missionaries in charge now, things will just somehow be...different. I haven't been to Kirtland but I have been to Nauvoo. The buildings owned by the Church had a TOTAL different feel than the ones owned by the CofC. God works in mysterious ways. His ways will prevail when necessary.
What does LDS Apologist mean please?
Its someone who knows, studies and defends the LDS church. The term apologetics means one to defends something more with words--- reason, rhetoric, logic rather than a physical defense.😉❤
I know a tanner in our ward several years ago and they are very financially blessed. Joseph smith prophet promise fulfilled.
This is Bitter Sweet we are glad to get the Kirtland Temple but for Community of Christ is saddened.
I am curious how much Meldrum makes selling his theory.
If you want to accuse someone of priestcraft , Mr Meldrum is not one of them.
Rod Meldrom is awesome! In it for truth, not for money.
@@cherylb5953 Did you know he claims Emma and David Whitmer lied when they said Joseph Smith used a seer stone in the translation and he says Joseph never used it for translation? The prophets say he did. Also, the Brethren counsel against speculation on Book of Mormon geography.
I hope the Community of Christ can and will take comfort from the fact that the "Salt Lake Church" loves and cherishes the historic buildings and artifacts that were purchased by it.
Man. You spent too much time on the Kirtland temple. Lol. Just kidding We need more time talking about Nauvoo and the JST papers. Maybe next time
Is the kirtland temple the true model of what our temple should actually be like..
No The Kirtland Temple had a mission to receive keys.
I was in Kirtland last Fall and after touring the temple, I was in the bookstore buying Karl Anderson's book and he and his sweet wife came to deliver a box of his books. He signed mine, and my wife and I got a picture with both of them. Bro. Anderson is a stake patriarch. He also has a CZcams video well worth watching that is the same name as his book, The Savior in Kirtland. He tells about the many appearances of Christ and Heavenly Father to Joseph Smith and the Saints during what Joseph calls the Pentecostal period of the Restoration. czcams.com/video/PzI4r_Tk9wo/video.html
The eclipse will pass over Kirtland, yes, but not over Nauvoo. Not according to the NASA map.
Technically, the things we do at church aren't free. We arent cheap. We just spend 10% of our income on the church plus fast offering, so many of us dont have a lot left over. I wouldnt be as "cheap" if i had an extra 10%+ to spend on travel, dining and so forth. Not complaining, just taking exception to "Mormons are cheap".
That said, i was a valet attendant at a 5 star restaurant. We would joke/lament that if the key board was full of keychain oil viles we werent going to have great tips that night.
I'm sorry but, dahellz so funny? Is Meldrum on laughing gas?
This is community of Christs Salt Lake Temple. Priceless and sacred edifice.
So just under 200 million seems like it’s not really that sacred and it’s definitely not priceless.
@@napaljarrinappaljarri5175 your statement makes no sense. Please tell me how I have a Judas heart and how I am playing with words. Could you be so good as to educate me. As far as I’m concerned if you will sell something it can’t really be that sacred to you. It seams that money shines brighter than the kingdom of heaven for the community of Christ. They come across as more of an Esau selling the birthright for a mess of porridge. Be offended or mad at me it’s your choice I couldn’t care less. Have a good one.
Ohio is not really prone to big quakes.
Why can't the Church hire full-time some of the specialists from the Community of Christ, to continue on the job they've been doing already?
These purchases, in practicality, doesn't move the needle. Has nothing to do with the path to salvation and exaltation, and nothing to do with the second coming of Jesus Christ nor its timing.
@@napaljarrinappaljarri5175 OK so you are telling people that the savior of the world can't do his work...He can't set his feet on the Mount of Olives, He can't come again until some documents and properties are purchased by multiple attorneys in deeds and trusts et al? Oh, wait especially if maybe one of the legal transaction documents shows up with an error in it. They'll have to gather the appropriate legal entities to re-draft it. So I guess Jesus will have to wait for that, etc. etc..
Those that have ears that will hear and eyes that see will know of the winding-up scene, regardless of the purchases of these items .
Yeah, Jesus had to wait until the church invested in liberal hedge funds Until they have the money that they do now, and in this case, the money to purchase these properties and documents.
Yeah, the Kirtland temple has to be bought because it's sort of rundown and it needs to be renovated so Jesus can come.
Yeah Jesus sure can't come until the characters document changes ownership and the Navu House changes ownership et al.
Why do so many get themselves worked up in a frenzy over cultural things? People bearing testimonies about different photos of Joseph Smith, people bearing testimonies of Paul Dunn stories that turned out to be false and so on.
When can people in our culture stop living in a willfully ignorant bubble. No response needed. That's rhetorical.
@@napaljarrinappaljarri5175
I think that one who has ears to hear and eyes to see is aware of the times we are in. I don't think that Jesus Christ is beholden to certain purchases of documents, and some properties before he can come again.
I don't think that Jesus Christ has to wait for the church to make a lot of money in liberal hedge funds and in this case to use many attorneys to secure these documents and the Nauvoo house etc before he comes . I don't think he has to wait for the kirtland tempke to be cleaned up and updated and make it a super duper visitors center before he comes. No, I don't think he's behooven to all that stuff. It's No wonder that others see the church as a cult.
I suggest that people keep their eyes focused on future events in Jerusalem and especially the temple mount.
And alas, I will say it : I think the money could've better been spent building a couple of nursing care centers and staffing it… Doing something concrete that really blesses the lives of people here and now. Because God certainly doesn't need church history documents to change ownership, or properties to change ownership, to do his work nor to hasten his coming.
So disappointing what a frenzy this has become for some people.
Doesn't move the needle, despite how much some want it to.
Yeah Greg totally didn’t believe his story about nephite 🦴 bones
It's anyone's guess.