These people don't know even half of what they think they do! Found a Cow eight miles away and a bull 3 miles away. Both could've been from totally different herds and different time periods! The bull and cow would've stayed right there and defended the calves, to the death!
It's easy to dismiss his story but we've only heard a short clip... its quite possible the animals were genetically linked... which would almost entirely remove reasonable doubt.
Exactly my thought. To me it sounds more like mom took off first. Dad maybe tried to fight n saw the kids were down so he took off but by the time he took off mom was already 4 miles away. (Assuming they run about the same speed) Dad was found dead 4 miles away and mom was found 8 miles away.
Seems to me like it was the mom fought first and died at the initial contact point, the dad died 8 miles later, then they finally caught up with the adolescent mammoths via humanity's long standing penchant for persistence hunting and surrounded them before killing them all. Dad went down easier than mom because he had run 8 miles and then was run down by the terrifying apes that can "run" for literal days even if they don't run all that fast. But caveat here, I have no idea what I am talking about and am in no way qualified on the matter.
Mother survived more than was physically possible. You can still observe mothers in nature, it isn't a mystery. All the young were killed in front of the parents. Two parents could not possibly protect them from so many men. Explain the hunt itself, before jumping to later conclusions. Why did they murder the herd? They didn't need that much meat nor could they preserve it long enough.
I have a question. If they were found miles apart how do you know they came from the same heard? I see dear all the time around here miles apart that have never met each other. There are people living 8 miles away that I may never know. For that matter how do they know it was the same group of hunters that killed them?
@@JesseSargentSoG DNA might prove that they are part of the same heard, it does not prove that they were killed at the same time. They could have been killed months apart. It also doesn’t prove that they were even killed by the same people. I don’t know if you’ve ever done any hunting, but there is no way they tracked the hunt after this long. I don’t care how good you dog is the trail is cold now.
@@JesseSargentSoG they find a foot print here or there, sometimes a short trail, but not eight miles. The two real mysteries to me is why did the hunters kill them and then leave them laying, and could you actually kill something that size with one or two spears. Someone was sure braver than me.
@@stevedarnell8444 i appreciate your humility. Admirable. So, we're talking about millenia of generational experience, and a lot of missing evidence, leather for instance. The tool/weapon implements were likely fashioned with great skill and muscle memory. Their understanding of where to strike a *_YOUNG_* mammoth with one strike, and experience using their weapons. The adult male took two strikes that had him bleed out 4 miles later, which ia a long way to track prey, but without a reference point of what was normal for a hunt its hard to say. You can easily see the male charging and getting hit with easier throws to aim. You could also picture the young hunters drawing the adult male towards them while the older men ambush them from the sides. The female is interesting to me. It just all sounds very odd, and like the people wanted the mammoths to suffer. We cannot assume those of the past to have been too much less intelligent, we have less evidence of that than this hunt. My first question from the description was why didn't they butcher them and why did they murder the herd. It looks like a revenge hunt to me. He said some thunfs in the video that were small but giant clues. Elephant behavior follows patterns. He describes this as an explanation for how the particular archaeologists who only study mammoth hunt sites knew what happened. Its only three words in the video but of the entire 30 seconds those 3 say more than all the rest.
These archeologists should work on recent murders! If they can tell exactly what happened (they can't) thousands of years ago, surely they'd be able to solve ALL of today's murders! These guys know Everything!
Before anyone goes on this show, Joe Rogan demands that they back up their claims with references from articles published in peer reviewed scientific journals.
@@trueblaze84you’re fucking tripping. The age of death is brought drastically down by infant mortality. If you made it past 6-8 yrs old, you’d probably live to 60. How on earth would a male of 25-30 ( in his absolute prime ) not survive? Like if you have to pick an age that’d be the best to survive at, it would be 20-30 years old.
@@juliusmorgan2292 I cant tell if you are serious or not but that is 100% completely false that they utilized every organ and facet....considering the basic fact they found bones of the kills. Also read actual history not made up fantasy. Tons of accounts of more recent natives simply cutting out tongues and at buffalo jumps animals that were never butchered.
Agreed. He has no idea what happened all those thousands of years ago. No one does. He's speculating based off of spear markings in bones. Maybe the mammoths were already dead and the humans simply butchered the carcasses.
@@user-xz1lm6vw8s yes. You are a first to have common sense. My people the diné have lived in this region of new Mexico since time immemorial. Those are our ancestors you dig up and study The more you study the less you really know what actually happened. You just kinda know the situation I guess..
@bastiat And there you go making an assumption that me or any other commenter has no knowledge on the subject. While I'm no expert, I do read and can speak with confidence that this archeologist has ZERO idea of what happened ten thousand years ago. It doesn't require a degree to make that obvious conclusion. I also never called him a name other than to say he's speculating; which he is. And then you end your screed with your own name calling and pejorative. I may be a lot of things, but being a hypocrite isn't one of them. Your own words proves you can't make that claim.
Anyone know the name of the sites he is referring to? Kinda suspect they actually doing all these sites. Miles away from each other and are supposedly able to connect them all??
There's many sites. I live by 6 in Michigan. Look up "glacial moraine map of USA" and imagine it as grasslands before the trees were naturalized into the areas
@@_..____ they weren't having kids at 35 years old on average. Idk what the average lifespan has to do with the age between generations unless you think people only reproduce upon death. They could've been grandparents at 35 years old.
It seems massively unlikely that all of the calves were found with spearheads still inside them. Considering that the tribe is probably going to butcher and use every part of the animal. Stands to reason that the spearheads would get scattered and lost or reused even. If they were even there to begin with. I think some of the people on the show should be vetted a little bit more, and some proof should be required.
It’s really weird when people talk about Clovis hunters cause it’s always “they killed a herd and left them there didn’t butcher or use any of the parts of the animal, but it makes way more sense when you just assume they’re lying lol
Everyone over hunted Bison and Mammoths in the Americas. The indigenous people are as equally responsible for what happened as the settlers and they had been over hunting for thousands of years at point.
@Sovereign Snorlax Your reply doesn't make any sense. They killed them for food clothing and shelter. But they're finding entire mammoths. That's not the same these weren't harvested
@@johnburnett5377 But then why didnt the people at least harvest ANY of the animals? The archaeologosts allegedly were able to tell the animals bled out?
@erinnelson434 I think you are misunderstanding what "bled out" means. Hitting a large animal even with multiple spears does not immediately kill it. The animal will run until they die from loss of blood, thus the term "bled out."
@@johnburnett5377 I know what it means to bleed out. So how did the archeologists know the animals bled out? Were there bodies still there in some decomposed form? If so, why didn't the people who killed it harvest it for meat, hide, etc like they would have done as the next step in hunting? Or, did some cataclysmic event take place only after the animals were all speared, yet prior to the harvest of the animals? Or can they tell they bled out by just their old skeletons? Or ?? what?
Yep. Hunter gatherers would have stripped those animals to the bone. The hide would have been used for shelter and clothing. The sinew for string. The horns for weapons or decoration. The guts would have been used for animal traps or fish bait. The bones themselves would have been used for structures, or boiled for the marrow. With the absence of a Wal-Mart, very little would have been left. The spear points would have been recovered if possible. Even broken hafts of spears would have been recovered and reused, if, for nothing else, firewood. Modern People think ancient men were stupid. They were not. There is either something this guy is not telling us or he's just pushing the standard false narrative.
I couldn't imagine killing an African elephant with a modern metal spear. Let alone a mammoth with a stone spear. Bull shit. People didn't hunt mammoths.
Archeology is barely even a science. NOBODY would or could challenge this nonsense... no money in doing so. So he gets to just make all this up given very loose parameters.
Could have been a killing field with mammoth killed other generations. Also more likely 30 /60 spear heads used to take one down so only one or more left after retrieving the better lest damaged ones after butchery.
You saw damage on ALL of the spear points that were left and based your theory on your observation. You also understand ancient man's weapon stockpiles and whether or not the best spears needed to be used to take down such a massive and deadly animal or if broken spears would work..... No, you don't understand science at all do you.
@@JesseSargentSoG I only gave it 5min thought it it sounds more plausible than the scientist. I based the number of spears on a hunting party of 30 with each carrying 2 spears. But in your opinion he's right that a heard of 15 mammoth attacked and killed most by one spear!? 😂🤣😂🤣Don't tell me, it was also done by a lone warrior of African descent who could not stand mammoth on this land
Gotta love how they left 1 spear tip in each calf , that's some impressive aim and also a costly waste of spears..... found 2 adults in different locations the mum was 8 miles away but this apparently indicates she had thought to defend the calf's . This blokes a mug
Is it a costly waste? What was their supply like? How long did it take a well seasoned veteran tip maker with generations ot experience to fashion one? How many tricks did they have. Seems to me we should base our understanding on the evidence rather than act like old evolutionists. It appears that they stockpiled spears, which would make sense for a throwing implement, and over millenia had plenty enough, especially considering any throwing weapon is guaranteed to get lost, especially in the heat of a hunt or battle. So, i get it, you think you're smarter than everybody. I haven't even scratched the surface of thunking through this hunt but already have figured out enough to know you aren't very smart at all.
A creature that was bigger than todays elephants was taken down with primitive rock pointed spears. That's a tough one to believe and there were way smaller animals to kill than a mass of anger. Just look at today elephants they would jack you up if you got close enough to throw a rock at them.
Not if you get them in the right spot, the younger ones took a single spear, the father took two, and the mother took 8 which says the me she was hauling ass and they couldn't get a good shot. A single puncture in the heart will down any animal regardless of how big they are.
How do they know that the 13 calves and adolescents they found were protected by the bull that was found 4 miles away and the cow that was found 8 miles away?
the fact that humans have been around for 200,000 years and we have small pieces of history of what humans have done for only the last 10-40 thousand is nuts, think of how many people were born and lived more or less the exact same life until around 1500 years ago, and we have people in the streets throwing fits when we are the luckiest humans to have ever live
Tom Condon's logic is what I call critical thinking. Just because someone online talks about a subject as if what he says is true doesn't mean it's true. Mr. Condon's logic makes a lot more sense. 40,000 generations? Okay let's say those hunters didn't live beyond their twenties and bred in their teens. We need a mathematician to figure this out. Anyone?
What amazes me is how many people watched this, heard what he said, and then came to the comment section *_to reveal that they didn't hear hardly any of what he said._* One of the biggest things he said *was only three words.* Right before saying them he clarified that the people studying this site: _these type of sites are ALL THEY STUDY. Not general archaeology, no. They specifically study mammoth hunt remains..._ *_So, all you 'geniuses' here.... you aren't._*
so then i just want to give you a better perspective on how the clovis in their nomadic season where they are hunting for food to last the winter the Cow was killed first then the defending bull then then calves i'm a Former US Army Military Police Officer of 6 years and trained investigator thru UCMJ take care
40,000 generations of big game hunters? How did he come up with that statement? I mean it's gotta be a big number of generations for sure, but to put an actual number like that. I'm not saying he's right or wrong, just curious how he came up with that.
Makes zero sense. No way a single cow and bull have 13 calves. Can't happen. Elephants have one calf at a time and only reproduce every 3 to 8 years and reach sexual maturity at 13 to 17 years old. Meaning, that cow would only have 2 or 3 calves by the time the first calf becomes an adult. Also, there are a million reasons for one elephant to have more "clovis points" in it than another. It isn't as if an animal can just magically survive more damage by force of will alone. It is much more likely that the cow just wasn't hit in a vital spot by the first 6 or 7 spears. I have never heard of this Dan Flores guy, but he seems to be a little full of his own shit.
Yet all the actual experts on the Clovis culture disagree. Brittle stone points penetrating a foot of Fur, Skin & Fat and missing all the ribs….unlikely. They even tested the points on modern elephant carcasses using an automated spear thrower and could barely manage it. Why would a group of Hunter gatherers go after the biggest, most dangerous and hardest animal to kill when there were so many easier and safer options?
Curious…. How you know when each group died? “Measuring carbon-14 in bones or a piece of wood provides an accurate date, but only within a limited range. Says Shea: “Beyond 40,000 years old, the sample is so small, and the contamination risk so great, that the margin of error is thousands of years.
How many human skeletons did they find at the site? Because if you’re telling me that two adult, Mammoths didn’t kill five out of every 10 hunters that attacked them, then you don’t know elephants
This under counts the number of hits per creature. Only a fraction of the spears would lose their points. This isn’t like a bullet: you can reuse the projectile. Each has a number of hours of effort in their creation and were probably valued. They weren’t just leaving them after one use. Imagine butchering that much meat?!? That would be tons and tons of meat.
Did the clovis people hunt all these animals for sport , for ceremonial/ religous reasons , it wasn't just for food .. they're huge dangerous animals.. and their remains were left in situ .. ( especially if archaeologists recovered the clovis spear points)
I believe that this man has smoked too much weed with rogan. I also believe that he was reaching his butt off telling how far the bull ran, and what the cow was doing before she died. Clovis points were used for a very short period, perhaps only for 300 - 400 years 12,000 years ago.
While he tells the story in the order of least to most clovis points, in all likelihood, the cow was killed first, then the bull, then all the young ones. This is an amazing story, And it kind of supports the theory that early humans in the Americas hunted out all the megafauna. Kill the mammoths, bears, and sloths, and the smilodon will starve.
This is all speculation because it would be really hard know exactly when each animal died. It could’ve been months or years apart. Doesn’t seem reasonable about these hunters what killed the whole damn heard was no way to preserve the meat! Even if they’ve done DNA on the animals and knew they were related that still doesn’t mean doesn’t mean they were in the same herd or in a herd at all when they were killed, and there’s no way to know for sure that those arrowheads caused the death of those animals. Those arrowheads could’ve just been laying in that area where these carcasses were found, but have nothing at all to do with the death of the animals! These people are really reaching because this is all only speculation & a bunch of BS!
So he basically say they hunted them for fun til the last dropped dead. Hunters would in reality take the first kill and maybe the second but leave the rest for another time.
This doesn’t make sense? They killed all these mammoths and didn’t eat them, skin them, remove their spears which they use to live? I doubt the story is the cow fought to the death then ran away. Killed 13 calfs with 1 spear?
I don't think that it happened all at once. A female was found 8 miles away. maybe 25 years apart! Just because they found a point doesn't mean that it was only hit once. There could have been 25 guys that recovered their points. A lesson about hunting. I've seen animals shot through the chest run for miles. A point in the ribs would just p-ss it off.
Why would the Clovis hunters kill so many, much more than they could eat at one time before the meat rotted. Each calf should probably have had their own mother protecting. Maybe calves were killed one at a time over time and then carried to the spot where they ate them and all bones were found.
@@slappy8941 yeah like those super tribes in amazon and africa lmao. more likely that they used sleds at winter to haul the animals back to camp... maybe they had pet mammoths to do the heavy lifting... no way they would WASTE spears and arrows.
They may have found some bones, and some spear heads. The rest is a made up story. The dont know what happened, or how many injuries the flesh had.
That’s like saying detectives have no real idea of what happened at a crime scene based on the evidence and everything they say is made up
If you close your eyes, Billy Bob Thornton is giving you a history lesson
😮Keep them open,… he is telling a fairytale
you ain't gunna shit right for a week
-Willie T Soke.
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Not even close.
Hahaha your absolutely 💯 correct, Billy Bob here.
This guy had an acid trip one night at the natural history museum...
Oh my god thats hilarious
Yeah he’s talking complete shit
@@timothyhosek3551not really…
😂😂😂
The cow was found over twice as far AWAY from the calves than the bull. How does that equate to fighting harder FOR the calves??!
As my Pop used to say, some guys just make up shit 😂
These people don't know even half of what they think they do! Found a Cow eight miles away and a bull 3 miles away. Both could've been from totally different herds and different time periods! The bull and cow would've stayed right there and defended the calves, to the death!
Talking about commenting on the unknown.
It's easy to dismiss his story but we've only heard a short clip... its quite possible the animals were genetically linked... which would almost entirely remove reasonable doubt.
Makes more sense to me that if the mom was fighting for her calves, she would be found dead with her calves
Exactly my thought. To me it sounds more like mom took off first. Dad maybe tried to fight n saw the kids were down so he took off but by the time he took off mom was already 4 miles away. (Assuming they run about the same speed) Dad was found dead 4 miles away and mom was found 8 miles away.
Seems to me like it was the mom fought first and died at the initial contact point, the dad died 8 miles later, then they finally caught up with the adolescent mammoths via humanity's long standing penchant for persistence hunting and surrounded them before killing them all.
Dad went down easier than mom because he had run 8 miles and then was run down by the terrifying apes that can "run" for literal days even if they don't run all that fast.
But caveat here, I have no idea what I am talking about and am in no way qualified on the matter.
Mother survived more than was physically possible. You can still observe mothers in nature, it isn't a mystery.
All the young were killed in front of the parents. Two parents could not possibly protect them from so many men.
Explain the hunt itself, before jumping to later conclusions. Why did they murder the herd? They didn't need that much meat nor could they preserve it long enough.
I have a question. If they were found miles apart how do you know they came from the same heard? I see dear all the time around here miles apart that have never met each other. There are people living 8 miles away that I may never know. For that matter how do they know it was the same group of hunters that killed them?
1 - DNA
2 - they tracked the hunt.
@@JesseSargentSoG DNA might prove that they are part of the same heard, it does not prove that they were killed at the same time. They could have been killed months apart. It also doesn’t prove that they were even killed by the same people. I don’t know if you’ve ever done any hunting, but there is no way they tracked the hunt after this long. I don’t care how good you dog is the trail is cold now.
@@stevedarnell8444 that depends pn the auze of the creature. Some have left foot[rints that remain to this day. Good try though, being smart and all.
@@JesseSargentSoG they find a foot print here or there, sometimes a short trail, but not eight miles. The two real mysteries to me is why did the hunters kill them and then leave them laying, and could you actually kill something that size with one or two spears. Someone was sure braver than me.
@@stevedarnell8444 i appreciate your humility. Admirable.
So, we're talking about millenia of generational experience, and a lot of missing evidence, leather for instance. The tool/weapon implements were likely fashioned with great skill and muscle memory. Their understanding of where to strike a *_YOUNG_* mammoth with one strike, and experience using their weapons. The adult male took two strikes that had him bleed out 4 miles later, which ia a long way to track prey, but without a reference point of what was normal for a hunt its hard to say. You can easily see the male charging and getting hit with easier throws to aim. You could also picture the young hunters drawing the adult male towards them while the older men ambush them from the sides. The female is interesting to me. It just all sounds very odd, and like the people wanted the mammoths to suffer.
We cannot assume those of the past to have been too much less intelligent, we have less evidence of that than this hunt.
My first question from the description was why didn't they butcher them and why did they murder the herd. It looks like a revenge hunt to me.
He said some thunfs in the video that were small but giant clues. Elephant behavior follows patterns. He describes this as an explanation for how the particular archaeologists who only study mammoth hunt sites knew what happened. Its only three words in the video but of the entire 30 seconds those 3 say more than all the rest.
These archeologists should work on recent murders! If they can tell exactly what happened (they can't) thousands of years ago, surely they'd be able to solve ALL of today's murders! These guys know Everything!
If these archeologists were working on recent murders, there would be a lot of innocent people in jail.
I'm gonna make up a story and go on this podcast.
Exactly!! There's no way to come up w evidence that supports alot of stuff in this story.
Before anyone goes on this show, Joe Rogan demands that they back up their claims with references from articles published in peer reviewed scientific journals.
40,000x50yrs is 2,000,000
Why would it be hard to suggest these people were doing that for that amount of time?
@@blahblah8037 50 years? clovis people were lucky to make it to 30. cut that to around 25 per generation.
@@trueblaze84you’re fucking tripping. The age of death is brought drastically down by infant mortality. If you made it past 6-8 yrs old, you’d probably live to 60. How on earth would a male of 25-30 ( in his absolute prime ) not survive? Like if you have to pick an age that’d be the best to survive at, it would be 20-30 years old.
I don't believe for a second that they would leave those spearheads in the damn thing unless the younger dryas happened at that exact moment
You think they would dig around in all the guts and organs for a few points? These were common items back them and not difficult for them to make.
@@wcb5890 yeah right. They utilized every organ and facet of these animals.
@@juliusmorgan2292 I cant tell if you are serious or not but that is 100% completely false that they utilized every organ and facet....considering the basic fact they found bones of the kills. Also read actual history not made up fantasy. Tons of accounts of more recent natives simply cutting out tongues and at buffalo jumps animals that were never butchered.
We've started so far from the truth and reality we rely to much on the government
Here,Here,I got one!
and you rely too much on right wing bs, all over the internet
Lots of REALLY dumb people in these comments just taking this guy's word for it without even wondering if he's right or crazy. 😂😂😂
True. Yes
Agreed. He has no idea what happened all those thousands of years ago. No one does. He's speculating based off of spear markings in bones. Maybe the mammoths were already dead and the humans simply butchered the carcasses.
@@user-xz1lm6vw8s yes. You are a first to have common sense. My people the diné have lived in this region of new Mexico since time immemorial. Those are our ancestors you dig up and study
The more you study the less you really know what actually happened. You just kinda know the situation I guess..
@bastiat And there you go making an assumption that me or any other commenter has no knowledge on the subject. While I'm no expert, I do read and can speak with confidence that this archeologist has ZERO idea of what happened ten thousand years ago. It doesn't require a degree to make that obvious conclusion. I also never called him a name other than to say he's speculating; which he is. And then you end your screed with your own name calling and pejorative. I may be a lot of things, but being a hypocrite isn't one of them. Your own words proves you can't make that claim.
@@user-xz1lm6vw8s yes clearly they all died from randomly tripping and falling onto clovis spears.
Anyone know the name of the sites he is referring to? Kinda suspect they actually doing all these sites. Miles away from each other and are supposedly able to connect them all??
DNA
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There's many sites. I live by 6 in Michigan. Look up "glacial moraine map of USA" and imagine it as grasslands before the trees were naturalized into the areas
Land of Oz....total nonsense.
@@bromethiustrilbotbromeldeh6625there are no clovis sites in Michigan
And then the were filled and sat down and wrote all about it 😂😂😂😂😂
Yup.
40,000 generations of Clovis hunting big animals? That's Pure BS...
Why is it BS?
yeah, but it sounds big, huh? 😐
So 40'000 generations averaging 35 year life span would be about 1'400'000 years. Seems like quite a while, but I don't know enough for this period.
@@_..____ they weren't having kids at 35 years old on average. Idk what the average lifespan has to do with the age between generations unless you think people only reproduce upon death. They could've been grandparents at 35 years old.
Say they had kid and died at 20 thats 800k years, modern humans been around 200k years and didnt start hunting with spears for 190k or somethjng
Yep, he was there. Honest guv
It seems massively unlikely that all of the calves were found with spearheads still inside them.
Considering that the tribe is probably going to butcher and use every part of the animal. Stands to reason that the spearheads would get scattered and lost or reused even. If they were even there to begin with. I think some of the people on the show should be vetted a little bit more, and some proof should be required.
HE is a professor or archaeology, a author and historian. He's been digging these sites for over 30 years. And has like 3 PHD.
A single arrowhead brings down a mastodon??? That's good shootin' son! ;-)
Poison.
Sounds like Bull shootin’ to me!
It’s really weird when people talk about Clovis hunters cause it’s always “they killed a herd and left them there didn’t butcher or use any of the parts of the animal, but it makes way more sense when you just assume they’re lying lol
If this is true. Why did they leave the carcasses?
Exactly, so they killed them and just left them there? Makes no sense.
Yeah it is not like we have any other examples of men just killing for the fun of it.
Everyone over hunted Bison and Mammoths in the Americas. The indigenous people are as equally responsible for what happened as the settlers and they had been over hunting for thousands of years at point.
@Sovereign Snorlax Your reply doesn't make any sense. They killed them for food clothing and shelter. But they're finding entire mammoths. That's not the same these weren't harvested
I see Bobby and snorlax but who's the 3rd person? it says 4 replies. I think whoever it is said their peice and then blocked me. Lol
According to the crime scene evidence, an automatic closing thrower was used.
I fucking knew it! Cheaters!
So wait a minute..the humans don't get the spear heads back? I assume they do for re-use
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
They would almost certainly be damaged from hitting bones.
@@johnburnett5377 But then why didnt the people at least harvest ANY of the animals? The archaeologosts allegedly were able to tell the animals bled out?
@erinnelson434 I think you are misunderstanding what "bled out" means. Hitting a large animal even with multiple spears does not immediately kill it. The animal will run until they die from loss of blood, thus the term "bled out."
@@johnburnett5377 I know what it means to bleed out. So how did the archeologists know the animals bled out? Were there bodies still there in some decomposed form? If so, why didn't the people who killed it harvest it for meat, hide, etc like they would have done as the next step in hunting? Or, did some cataclysmic event take place only after the animals were all speared, yet prior to the harvest of the animals? Or can they tell they bled out by just their old skeletons? Or ?? what?
“13 adolescents Archaeologists found dead”. Is like saying “here’s a photo of past”.
They didn't recover the spear tips?
This story indicates why Clovis Man was never into Mammoth husbandry…in other words, meat-farming Mammoths.
This is nonsense 😂
Yep. Hunter gatherers would have stripped those animals to the bone. The hide would have been used for shelter and clothing. The sinew for string. The horns for weapons or decoration. The guts would have been used for animal traps or fish bait. The bones themselves would have been used for structures, or boiled for the marrow. With the absence of a Wal-Mart, very little would have been left. The spear points would have been recovered if possible. Even broken hafts of spears would have been recovered and reused, if, for nothing else, firewood. Modern People think ancient men were stupid. They were not. There is either something this guy is not telling us or he's just pushing the standard false narrative.
@@jrr3787 since when did mammoths have horns
I couldn't imagine killing an African elephant with a modern metal spear. Let alone a mammoth with a stone spear. Bull shit. People didn't hunt mammoths.
Poison.
I hope they’re not gonna say close. This was the first modern human. That’s been pretty much been confirmed not to be accurate.
If true, something really big happened that day that killed both man animals at that moment in time for them to be found that way.😮
They didn't find any dead humans at the site unless there's more to this clip.
I like the way they talk like they were there.
Archeology is barely even a science. NOBODY would or could challenge this nonsense... no money in doing so. So he gets to just make all this up given very loose parameters.
Could have been a killing field with mammoth killed other generations. Also more likely 30 /60 spear heads used to take one down so only one or more left after retrieving the better lest damaged ones after butchery.
You saw damage on ALL of the spear points that were left and based your theory on your observation. You also understand ancient man's weapon stockpiles and whether or not the best spears needed to be used to take down such a massive and deadly animal or if broken spears would work.....
No, you don't understand science at all do you.
@@JesseSargentSoG I only gave it 5min thought it it sounds more plausible than the scientist. I based the number of spears on a hunting party of 30 with each carrying 2 spears. But in your opinion he's right that a heard of 15 mammoth attacked and killed most by one spear!? 😂🤣😂🤣Don't tell me, it was also done by a lone warrior of African descent who could not stand mammoth on this land
Amusing how you know how far it ran before dying
He said 40 thousand generations of hunting big animals. 40 thousand generations is equal to 1 million years.
Gotta love how they left 1 spear tip in each calf , that's some impressive aim and also a costly waste of spears..... found 2 adults in different locations the mum was 8 miles away but this apparently indicates she had thought to defend the calf's . This blokes a mug
Is it a costly waste? What was their supply like? How long did it take a well seasoned veteran tip maker with generations ot experience to fashion one? How many tricks did they have. Seems to me we should base our understanding on the evidence rather than act like old evolutionists.
It appears that they stockpiled spears, which would make sense for a throwing implement, and over millenia had plenty enough, especially considering any throwing weapon is guaranteed to get lost, especially in the heat of a hunt or battle.
So, i get it, you think you're smarter than everybody. I haven't even scratched the surface of thunking through this hunt but already have figured out enough to know you aren't very smart at all.
You gotta think, how many ppl were they trying to feed?
And how long...
was thinking the same... damn, why kill all that when you cant store it
A creature that was bigger than todays elephants was taken down with primitive rock pointed spears. That's a tough one to believe and there were way smaller animals to kill than a mass of anger. Just look at today elephants they would jack you up if you got close enough to throw a rock at them.
Not if you get them in the right spot, the younger ones took a single spear, the father took two, and the mother took 8 which says the me she was hauling ass and they couldn't get a good shot. A single puncture in the heart will down any animal regardless of how big they are.
The wooly mammoth is actually said to be about the same size as modern african elephants.
LOL Nice logical fallacy you've got going there. 😂😂😂
dude. they dont need to die INSTANTLY. one spear is enough to kill ENY animal . even a blue whale. it just takes time to bleed out.
@Vihree Linja a harpoon is basically a spear, so yeah you are correct.
A mother will always defend her young
Maybe something else was happening in the environment like an earthquake or a volcanic eruption while the hunt was going on ?
How do they know that the 13 calves and adolescents they found were protected by the bull that was found 4 miles away and the cow that was found 8 miles away?
He forgot to mention the Vegan Cave Soyboys a few feet away from the hunters with their "Meat is Murder" signs protesting the hunt.
I love these kinds of videos. So interesting. Thank you.💙😇😇💙
We can learn a ton off each other, instead of people fighting,we poor n mid class have to come together and work together
40,000 generations in the last 6,000 years...
Make it make sense.
I hope that you are not going sky faries.....
He must have meant 400 and its still too many ...
800,000 years a reasonable number
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"If it bleeds we can kill it"
the fact that humans have been around for 200,000 years and we have small pieces of history of what humans have done for only the last 10-40 thousand is nuts, think of how many people were born and lived more or less the exact same life until around 1500 years ago, and we have people in the streets throwing fits when we are the luckiest humans to have ever live
Tom Condon's logic is what I call critical thinking. Just because someone online talks about a subject as if what he says is true doesn't mean it's true. Mr. Condon's logic makes a lot more sense. 40,000 generations? Okay let's say those hunters didn't live beyond their twenties and bred in their teens. We need a mathematician to figure this out. Anyone?
With all due respect, they can’t possibly know that all three of those sites are definitively related to the same incident.
Thank u for including both names
I half expected something about bleeding every month without dying. 😂
The Alamo of fights. Makes you wish they won.
What amazes me is how many people watched this, heard what he said, and then came to the comment section *_to reveal that they didn't hear hardly any of what he said._*
One of the biggest things he said *was only three words.* Right before saying them he clarified that the people studying this site: _these type of sites are ALL THEY STUDY. Not general archaeology, no. They specifically study mammoth hunt remains..._
*_So, all you 'geniuses' here.... you aren't._*
Why would they waste a herd that size
amazing can’t wait for the better version of them.
dont hold your breath
so then i just want to give you a better perspective on how the clovis in their nomadic season where they are hunting for food to last the winter the Cow was killed first then the defending bull then then calves i'm a Former US Army Military Police Officer of 6 years and trained investigator thru UCMJ take care
40,000 generations of big game hunters? How did he come up with that statement? I mean it's gotta be a big number of generations for sure, but to put an actual number like that. I'm not saying he's right or wrong, just curious how he came up with that.
So, they left 13 calves, a bull and a cow and 20ish spear tips that would take hours to make just laying out there?
Ok...WTF🤯...how the fu©k did the archeologists find those other mammoths underground at 4 and 8 miles away?
I don't believe they where footprints for 8 miles.
How did they know where to look, I can't imagine they dug up all the soil within an 8 mile radius? Or were they just lucky, that would have been damn lucky.
Probably unrelated kills.
Cool story. No way you can prove it.
So they never removed their spear points? Just ate around their tools...
Apparently they didn't even eat them, just left them there. Otherwise, why would they find an intact skeleton?? None of this story makes sense.
They probably took prime cuts of meet. How tf would you ever expect them to pick that up? Those things are massive!
@@JesusSaves71185 why leave your hand crafted tools though?
War Mammoths!
Ah no, but SCIENCE!!!! lol
How do they know it was one incident?
Wow amazing story huh.
That momma cow was trying to lead the hunters as far away as she could from her babies
Source: Trust me bro.
Jamie pull up the video of the polar bear and the mammoth fighting to the death
Makes zero sense. No way a single cow and bull have 13 calves. Can't happen. Elephants have one calf at a time and only reproduce every 3 to 8 years and reach sexual maturity at 13 to 17 years old. Meaning, that cow would only have 2 or 3 calves by the time the first calf becomes an adult.
Also, there are a million reasons for one elephant to have more "clovis points" in it than another. It isn't as if an animal can just magically survive more damage by force of will alone. It is much more likely that the cow just wasn't hit in a vital spot by the first 6 or 7 spears.
I have never heard of this Dan Flores guy, but he seems to be a little full of his own shit.
Nice imagination
This is for gullible 3rd graders.
To boost book sales, I'm sure all these seemingly random events are totally connected...
Yet all the actual experts on the Clovis culture disagree.
Brittle stone points penetrating a foot of Fur, Skin & Fat and missing all the ribs….unlikely.
They even tested the points on modern elephant carcasses using an automated spear thrower and could barely manage it.
Why would a group of Hunter gatherers go after the biggest, most dangerous and hardest animal to kill when there were so many easier and safer options?
Curious…. How you know when each group died?
“Measuring carbon-14 in bones or a piece of wood provides an accurate date, but only within a limited range. Says Shea: “Beyond 40,000 years old, the sample is so small, and the contamination risk so great, that the margin of error is thousands of years.
How many human skeletons did they find at the site? Because if you’re telling me that two adult, Mammoths didn’t kill five out of every 10 hunters that attacked them, then you don’t know elephants
This is really curious. Why were there only one cow. Elephant herds are not usually made up of a bull, a cow, a bunch of yearlings and calves.
Kind of crazy to think that only 2 points is enough to bleed out a bull mammoth. Those points are deadly as hell.
hit the right spot and anything will bleed out in a mater of minutes or less.
This under counts the number of hits per creature. Only a fraction of the spears would lose their points. This isn’t like a bullet: you can reuse the projectile. Each has a number of hours of effort in their creation and were probably valued. They weren’t just leaving them after one use.
Imagine butchering that much meat?!? That would be tons and tons of meat.
Source: trust me bro.
So they just let them sit there and rot ?
Doubtful !
It does seem rather strange that
That's not what he said.
@@johnburnett5377
he might as well have ?...lol
Did the clovis people hunt all these animals for sport , for ceremonial/ religous reasons ,
it wasn't just for food .. they're huge dangerous animals.. and their remains were left in situ .. ( especially if archaeologists recovered the clovis spear points)
Hmmmmmm ! Act like you know ! Protect, your own kind , period ! Amen !!?!!
This makes as much sense as the story of the guy who hung himself as well as shooting himself in the chest with a shotgun
He has video of the entire event.😉
Looks at dirt, rocks, fossils from 10s of thousands of years ago and makes up a detailed story. 😂
I found 11 C. Points in Georgia in Hall county 4 were made of beautiful jasper.
I believe that this man has smoked too much weed with rogan. I also believe that he was reaching his butt off telling how far the bull ran, and what the cow was doing before she died. Clovis points were used for a very short period, perhaps only for 300 - 400 years 12,000 years ago.
I think it was more like 38,074 generations hunting big animals.
Give or take!
Not if it ran 8 miles away! Now if it was dead with the claves then ok but nope that says the exact opposite!
While he tells the story in the order of least to most clovis points, in all likelihood, the cow was killed first, then the bull, then all the young ones. This is an amazing story, And it kind of supports the theory that early humans in the Americas hunted out all the megafauna. Kill the mammoths, bears, and sloths, and the smilodon will starve.
This is all speculation because it would be really hard know exactly when each animal died. It could’ve been months or years apart. Doesn’t seem reasonable about these hunters what killed the whole damn heard was no way to preserve the meat! Even if they’ve done DNA on the animals and knew they were related that still doesn’t mean doesn’t mean they were in the same herd or in a herd at all when they were killed, and there’s no way to know for sure that those arrowheads caused the death of those animals. Those arrowheads could’ve just been laying in that area where these carcasses were found, but have nothing at all to do with the death of the animals! These people are really reaching because this is all only speculation & a bunch of BS!
So he basically say they hunted them for fun til the last dropped dead. Hunters would in reality take the first kill and maybe the second but leave the rest for another time.
This doesn’t make sense? They killed all these mammoths and didn’t eat them, skin them, remove their spears which they use to live? I doubt the story is the cow fought to the death then ran away. Killed 13 calfs with 1 spear?
For the cow got eight miles away before 8 Spears took it down. Some of the conclusions scientists come up with...
40000 generations is roughly 1.2 million years if you consider a generation to be 30 years.
I don't think that it happened all at once. A female was found 8 miles away. maybe 25 years apart! Just because they found a point doesn't mean that it was only hit once. There could have been 25 guys that recovered their points. A lesson about hunting. I've seen animals shot through the chest run for miles. A point in the ribs would just p-ss it off.
Why would the Clovis hunters kill so many, much more than they could eat at one time before the meat rotted. Each calf should probably have had their own mother protecting. Maybe calves were killed one at a time over time and then carried to the spot where they ate them and all bones were found.
You don't know how many hunters there were, or how many mouths they had to feed. Several hundred people can eat a lot of meat.
@@slappy8941 yeah like those super tribes in amazon and africa lmao. more likely that they used sleds at winter to haul the animals back to camp... maybe they had pet mammoths to do the heavy lifting... no way they would WASTE spears and arrows.
He had run 3, 4 miles.
Omg
How does he know after 40,000 generations
Sustainable hunting,
Exactly
You would be naive to think a Clovis point or two would take down a mammoth. When a modern bow and arrow could not.
Imagine what we are capable of when we get together
So who stole the land from the Clovis hunters? And when do they get their reparations?
She fought to defend the Cavs they were found eight miles away😂 yeah, that sounds like she was defending them✌️
They're lucky peta wasn't there