House of the Dragon Episode 5 Explained
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The tragic irony of Viserys’ lament about never facing a crucible is that he failed to realize not all crucibles are faced on a battlefield with swords.
what we are witnessing in this first season appears to be his crucible. He has had no joy without some sort of pain alongside it. He is besought on all sides to name Aegon the heir, but he must do what he thinks is correct, and he has so far held to his convictions that Rhenera will be the heir.
Exactly. His first crucible was marrying a 14 year old and waiting however long until she was older to save his house. While also making his heir stronger and acceptable. Not immediately seeking comfort after his wife died.
Well said. Being a good king isn't all battles and tourneys. Keeping the dynasty going, the people happy, and your nobles pacified are battles in and of themselves
Sorry, Can you explain what the crucible is? I must’ve missed when they explained it in earlier episodes.
@@Peecamarke A crucible is a strong, fireproof container for molten metals, used in forging, metalworking, and chemistry. It's being used as a metaphor here for hard won challenges like war, that strengthen a king through difficult times, the way that alloying metals in a crucible would result in something stronger.
1) A poor wedding by both Westerosi and Dothraki standards with only one death.
2) The look of almost joy on Harwin's face when Lyonel nodded at him to punch his way through the crowd. Priceless.
What was that even for? If the whole thing was Cole just attacking joffrey why did that cause everybody else to start fighting as opposed to everybody else standing back in shock like "yo wtf is going on?" And what did Harwin have to do with it, what was that nod about? Were they expecting it to happen?
@@MC-zr7hl It was all rather unclear, wasn't it? Very unlikely too. Put yourself in King Viserys' shoes. Your daughter, a princess and heir to the throne, is lost in a throng of aggressive people arguing and pushing. How do you react? I react by sending in the white cloaks and guards en force with clear orders to not hold punches or even to start hacking away.
@@MC-zr7hl I thought two things:
1. The fighting was just a natural consequence of swirling a room full of piss drunk thin-skinned aristocrats who don't take kindly to being huddled in a mosh like filthy commoners, cue impromptu honor restoring session.
2. I think his smile was gleeful indignation, fetching a princess amongst a huddle of porky nobles seems absurd, but he happily greets any royally sanctioned occasion to slap them around.
@@lemiureelemiur3997 🤣 yeah I certainly wouldn't blame him for jumping at the chance to beat on some nobles lol fair points
Yeah, you missed something, who tf were the guys in red who flooded into the throne room and started the fight? How did this result in the enraged murder with fists? I am so confused. Also, the wedding happened a week early, no explanation. Blood everywhere, so civilized, and in the throne room instead of the sept, a chapel, or the Godswood...this show makes no sense sometimes.
I'd say daemon used the scent of his dragon to spook the horse, it probably senses a predator nearby and spooked
100% agree
Yes. This was also my thought.
I was straight up waiting for our spicy noodle to pop his head over the hills.
Perhaps, and it is quite plausible that Caraxes’ scent was on Daemon. Although I propose a different idea; a form of warging. The Targaryens control their dragons through some kind of telepathy, and Daemon may have tapped into that to scare his wife’s horse.
Clearly the horse smelled dragon
When Cole says he wants to elope with Rhaenyra she responds with something along the lines of "Do you think I'd trade my throne for a bushel of oranges and a trip to Asshai." really hammering in what Cole actually means to her. Nothing.
It’s kind of a ridiculous request as well. He’s going to regain his honor by both of them abandoning their responsibilities. I can see asking as offering an alternative life, but for him to be that volatile after she wouldn’t dishonor herself to help him reclaim his seems like a child or madman.
That Blood and Cheese reference at the end with the rat licking the blood was mad!
I loved it. That moment is going is be epic, if they’re teasing it this far out.
Please explain I'm thick.
I don’t understand either. Please explain cheese in blood
@@marleneverhage1048 I've looked it up. Think it's just that rats are getting closer as in bad people.
@@lilme7052 thank you
The scene with Maester Mellos and an apprentice caring for Viserys after he collapsed nudged the narrative more in the direction of the citadel or at least Mellos maybe not trying the best to actually heal Viserys. This is the second or third scene that heavily implies that there are other options of treatment, again a young (unknowing, not privy to the conspiracy?) Maester suggest another option, probably the one he sees fit best, the way he learned it in the books and by the citadel - however again Mellos disagrees and refuses that treatment. Considering Viserys gets worse by the episode and is maybe even dead after this episode... I think it is just odd that this got so far. Could be bad luck, infections and sepsis are potent killers, it just feels like Mellos is not even that concerned with it all.
Agreed!
I said this to my girlfriend as we were watching, how much is the maester actually trying to help the King. Constantly shutting down the ideas of the younger maester who actually appears to want to help
Another important note with that scene: the younger Maester's name is finally revealed to be Orwyle - a name that book readers will be familiar with. For everyone else, suffice it to say that Maester Orwyle will have a significant role later on.
In the books the younger Master, Orwyle succeeds Mellos. I think that Mellos dying allows Orwyle to do the medicines for Viserys a different way that keeps Viserys alive longer
And where is the Citadel? Who are their greatest patrons? Very interesting stuff
I love the little nuances that abound in this show, such as when Otto is climbing his horse and seems to unintentionally nudge the horse with his boot and the horse makes a sound of discomfort, or when Viserys is negotiating the marriage proposal and states his compromise and there’s a brief view of his new Hand, as if suggesting whose idea the compromise was in the first place, and that they came prepared for the negotiation. Or when Criston comes to see the queen and there are erotic tapestries on the wall that are mentioned in the previous episode (as far as I recall). Or when Viserys seems slightly hesitant before drinking the sleep drought, and when we get a shot of him reflecting on his reign with his town sculpture neatly occupying almost the entirety of the background, possibly symbolising the whole of his realm. Splendid storytelling details all.
What's the symbolism of the boot and horse?
God, I was oblivious to all of it. Was only watching for the incest scene 🤣😂🤣
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy At first I thought it was just a minor thing, most likely accidental, but if you think about it... There’s a sea horse in the Velaryon coat of arms, so Otto putting a boot in the horse’s side might signify the Hightower-Velaryon opposition that’s been unfolding. It’s easily the smallest detail out of the ones I’ve mentioned, but a fun one nonetheless.
@@afreename intriguing!
I think the tapestries have always been there
The wedding was supposed to take place AFTER the seven days of feasting. I suspect Viserys thought Daemon posed a danger now that he has no wife and might make a move on Rhaenyra, which is why the wedding is held quickly straight after the initial feast. Rhaenyra and Laenor know her lover killed his, so there is a melancholy that their plans for "doing what they want" with their respective lovers is now over. Best laid plans of mice and men? Was that why the rat appeared at the end? lol Great episode, I was on the edge of my seat at the end.
His health getting worse, his brother showing up, and the fight during the dinner which is a bad omen probably made him decide to just have the wedding now.
lol the wedding was moved forward because there was already a riot and a murder on the first evening. You think they could go ahead with another seven days like this? Daemon had nothing to do with it.
As someone else said, I guess him he collapsing to death during the ceremony was proof that the marriage needed to happen fast lol
@@Peecamarke he didnt collapse to his death we literally see him in the next episode preview
Could just be castles are full of rats, who can smell food wherever it is.....
Robert can we talk how good this episode was, like it can carry the whole season 1. The entrance of Alicent and the Valariyon, the music.
The final crescendo, marvellous
Daemon definitely embodies the saying "actions speak louder than words". He barely speaks and somehow draws the attention of the room while getting his point across.
I wonder if the horse was skittish because Daemon smelled like dragon...Rhanerya's mother mentioned that there is a smell to those who have just ridden a dragon in ep. 1 and it would mean that Daemon had plausible deniablitiy with Rhea's horse throwing her.
Makes me wonder if he intend to kill her from the outset, if he was still mulling it over, or even if her taunting him after the horse rolled over her was what made him choose.
TBH Daemon is hardly a man with a plan, we've seen him act on a whim time and time again, it was also mentioned by the writers in the show recap that he wasn't there with the intention of murdering his wife, but when circumstances arose he wasn't the type to let down an opportunity.
@@benlzicar7628 The scene when he just stepped on her arm, and then was walking away, he had no plans on killing her in that moment, he was just going to leave her there, to be a cripple? but her being of sharp tongue, sealed her fate.
Yes, he intended to kill her. Rhae realized it and reached for her weapon. If it wasn't the horse it would have been something else. Making it look like an accident worked for him, but if no one could prove he was there murder would have worked, too.
@@ajae... the showrunners disagree, and they obviously outrank you lmfao. It was stated clearly that Daemon didnt plan to kill her, and just took advantage of the situation. And yeah, obviously. Why startle a horse as your murder weapon? There are countless other ways, and with his political invulnerability and giant dragon if he just poisoned her or paid a sellsword nobody could even think of accusing him, so while Daemon is definitively evil enough and capable of murdering his wife, he basically just took advantage of a developing situation in this case lmao. He even steps on her arm to check if there's any sensation left and puts her out of her misery
@@ExtraVictoryThe first rule of good writing, Extra: show, don't tell.
I'm not in the habit of believing what the showrunners or any artist about says about their work. Corporate showrunners in particular will be met with disbelief. I'd be a fool to do that after "Dany Kind Of Forgot." So far none of the episodes have been so sophisticated as to require alternate interpretations to what is spelled out pretty literally on the screen. A murderous, power mad man showing up and killing his powerful wife to add her power to his own shouldn't be a stretch on a show about men who use the women in their lives to further their own goals. In the first episode a wife is killed by her husband to reap the power of her womb. So the showrunners can tell us what they want in their little videos, I'm paying more attention to what they spent many months and many millions to show us.
One thing you didnt cover was Cole anticipated being executed when he was spurred to confession. He perhaps felt like this was his final avenue of absolution and when he was instead spared, saw himself as a liability as long as he was alive, and Joffrey offers a similar liability. So in his own deranged way he thinks he's helping secure the future of the empire by eliminating 2 potentially dangerous distractions (Joffrey and himself). Because we don't get a ton of time with him or learn the nature of his order it does kind of come out of left field and feels like sudden onset madness, which has echoes of the worst seasons of GOT and worries me a bit. But on the whole I think it works
Interesting, but that doesn’t ring true for me. I don’t see him as being in an emotional place of wanting to help the crown carry on a loveless marriage. I can see perhaps a quasi-suicidal note in his attitude even before the killing, but that is because he’s so sick at heart for having his elopement plan rejected by Rhaenyra and he is at the breaking point over his personal sense of honor and identity.
Dude had been terrified of being tortured to death since he slept with Rhaenrya. He probably hasn't slept at all.
In that state he can't think straight.
If that was the case, I would assume he might choose a beter time and place for the murder-suicide. Like not in the middle of a royal wedding feast.
This part worried me too. They mashed two different book events into one event and it made no sense. That's why it was so weird. It's a mash up
I don't know how it's presented in the book but Sir Criston's "snap" at the end of the episode made about as much sense to me as the snap of Daenerys in season 8 of GoT.
The salty cherry on top of my wound of disappointment is that, apparently, Sir Criston was simply allowed to leave as if he didn't just interrupt a royal wedding with a rage induced murder to randomly meet up with an unguarded queen. Seriously, what the fuck?
This enormously irritated me too man. The books did it very logically: Joff gets killed in a melee, whoops accident, sorry! Legal murder. Snart. He also destroys break bones in the same day, solidifying Cole as a badass. You don't gotta like him but you will respect him. Now he simply looks idiotic and rash. It makes no sense at all how he left that hall on his own two feet
And how the heck are they going to explain that he got away with murder scot-free when they are doing a big time jump between this and the next episode? What's the point of referring back to something that happened 10+ years ago?
So many people are saying this was their favorite episdoe so far, but to me this was probably my least favorite. The ending of the episode felt rushed and was quite illogical.
i think it makes total sense for noone to really intervene in him killing someone - in the end, he is a kingsguard. only one that can command him to stop is either the king, or maybe if he gets stopped by the other kingsguards. in such a chaotic event where noone really knows whats going on, the other guards probably thought he was protecting the royalties from some sort of danger.
that is not hard to explain.
joffery pulled a dagger during fight and just before that deamon was kissing princess in public( which the king saw) after she challenged him to "abduct" her. and he disappeared at end. maybe he did try, probably why wedding was held immediately . so it is quite possible to explain cole's actions as defending the princess, and joffery interrupting him , especially so if lenor's family don't want his relationship with murdered man out in the public.
@Brendan Fraser vs The Truth no it didn't "come out from nowhere". watch and listen to acting and dialogue carefully next time.
cole thought his relationship with rhenaya was dishonorable to begin with , so he confessed just as he proposed marriage. those are the only ways remaining for him that has some shred of honor.
and when that joffrey proposed the 4 person open intrigue arrangement/threat and the feeling he would be on same level with that guy, made him lose it.
btw if rhenaya wanted "arrangements", she should have ensured that lenor and his boyfriend don't propose an open arrangement to cole, after he had already indicated what has passed was dishonorable in his own eyes. if she wanted another kind of knight from a noble house, who is happy with political/personal arrangements, for whom "honor" is a meaningless word, she had a lot of choice, other than knight with combat experience for whom honor was no mere word.
as for why he was not arrested i pointed out some reasons why in my last comment
I love how Rhaenyra called out Daemon for wanting her but not being willing to fight for her. Also she definitely saw him flirting with Laena just before he came to talk to her. He even just left Rhaenyra to fend for herself when the brawl started and I guess disappeared with Laena? At least I don't remember seeing her after that.
Daemon is such a tease. lol
spoiler but its even funnier when he burns her to death in the books.
this aint no romance lol
yeh! where the heck did daemon disappear to? i would have thought he would have taken the chance to carry her off himself, mount caraxes and elope in dragonstone.
@@lataliana yes as confirmed by his old wife. He is all talk and doesnt finish anything
Nah he didn't run off with Laena, they show her several times struggling through the crowd during the fight. I just think Daemon had already walked away from Rhaenyra at that point.
A decent episode altogether, but the bit with Criston Cole attacking Joffrey Lonmouth felt odd to me. Like they exchanged two words with each other, and he, as a sworn sword and a white cloak, goes on at the wedding and kills him with his bare fists? Weird. But overall a good episode, so much laying down story for the huge conflict to come. Loved Larys Strong and costume designs.
A heart broken man who was told he was basically nothing but a whore by the one he loved. The oath that meant so much to him but he threw away for a good fuck with a little arrogant princess that does what she wants and has no apathy for him when he lays bare his heart. Knowing he spilled the beans to the queen who can have him executed at any time. Than the Knight of Kisses the polar opposite to him a fake knight with no honor, and not knowing what has transpired just being all blaze about it coming up to him and acting like they can have a little deal. Might just be the right incentive to bash in his face in an absolute rage. I thought the setup was done masterfully and it felt like jow this is what a guy at his wits with nothing much to lose but his life would do.
Criston was unraveling the whole episode. First a truly delusional plead to Rhaenyra to run away with him. Then, he immediately confesses to Alicent, knowing that this should result to him being killed, maybe even tortured. Doesn't seem so strange that he would then snap when a stranger comes to him telling that even he knows his secret that's driving him mad.
@@CrossmoorMafia i agree he had to live with the terror of being tortured to death for days now jofrey's words seemed like a threat to him so he snaped not caring about the consequences
People are weird and o weird things. The truly odd part of the episode was how nobody except Alicent payed any attention to him or where he went after committing murder in the middle of a royal feast. Really? he was just allowed to walk away, no questions asked?
Oh man, this episode was everything. I'm still reeling from it.
i think this show episode by episode is turning into a soup opera.
Rhaenyra turning down Criston’s proposal shows her maturity. It’s clear the knowledge of Aegon’s prophecy already weighs on her even more than the throne itself.
as dothrakis said,,"if a wedding dont got at least 2 death ,its a boring one"
I have to assume this only applies to the weddings of high ranking Dothrakis. If two Dothraki’s died every time two other ones tied the knot, this would not bode well for the longevity of their society.
@@fordhouse8b Well they got too many children.
What I think happened is that horses are afraid of dragons and his hands smelled like his dragon Caraxes, so when he put his hand up close to the horse’s nose, it got spooked and reared up and threw Rhea off. I base this off of horses being afraid of Robb’s direwolf and them getting frightened by him.
My only problem with the episode was the sudden outbreak of Cole, it didn't feel like him to me.
Exactly, I wasn't shocked just confused!!!
He was clearly on edge during the part of the conversation that we got to see, and I think that there must have been more to that conversation that we didn't. Something must have been said to push him over the edge.
It felt like they really tried to make him look like a love struck romantic that can't live without her.
And why did the soldiers all of a sudden come in and cause mayhem? This just didn't make any sense. They took away the tournament where Cole actually does kill him and can explain it as 'just one of those tourney accidents'. Instead, they have him outright killing him for no apparent reason. Then they all of a sudden have the wedding. This just killed for me what was a beautiful turning point episode.
@@glacialbae It happened just as Daemon was talking to Rhaenyra, clearly not just as an uncle - maybe Joffrey said something to Criston about it and that's how Criston found out about them? It didn't seem like he knew about Rhaenyra and Daemon when he was talking to Alicent
Daemon reached out to the horse and it smelled and pulled away. The horse smell the dragon on him, making the horse enter flight or fight. When rhea reached for her bow, the quick and frantic action spooked the horse, in that same instance daemon lunged at the horse, causing the overreaction, thinking it was bout to be eaten.
We know from the 1st episode that the smell of dragon is strong enough for human to smell, so a prey animal would be in hyper panic mode.
Hi Robert,
Yet another masterful video.
If I may add, there are two details that you've left untouched.
First, GM Melos' reluctance to try his acolyte's alleged more potent treatment.
Second, there's a rat licking Joffrey's blood off the floor at the very end of the episode.
I don't know what you'd make of it, but I find myself more and more on the side of Lady Dustin here.
Where did Deamon go when the chaos started at the betrothal party?
He seems to becoming less protective of Rhaenyra.
Yep, a bit confusing not to see him after the flirt
Pay close attention a breeze kicks up behind lady Rhea and she looks back in surprise ,this has to be Caraxes stirring up wind some where , giving off a down wind scent ,obviously Daemon smells like Dragon as well ,a fact that is established in the first episode which is spooking the horse, Daemon knows whats going on and he is trying to calm the animal because he wants to disappear her so there is no body (in my opinion) ,now lets talk about something important, did you see the" high tide castle" causeway ?, it looks it disappears at high tide ,what incredible attention to detail
I always held to the possibility in the books that he sent a faceless man to do it. They always tend to make things look like accidents and it would explain how he was somewhere else. No evidence for that theory and plenty against though.
I still suspect the Mellos is more loyal to Otto than to the king and that the tea in the last episode was sent without the King's knowledge. Also, I noted that more modern, herbal treatments were suggested by a young Maester but turned down by Mellos. If Mellos is, as I believe, more Hightower than Targ, then he may be invested in the King either not getting better or at least appearing weak.
Also, I don't think anybody really knows that the crown prince was in the Vale so it really doesn't necessarily clash with the book lore.
But we never see Rhaenyra drink it and it’s very possible she didn’t.
Well if Mellos was indeed in favour of the Hightowers, wouldn't he want Viserys to live longer only so that an older Aegon could make a better candidate heir to the throne?
For me what was missing from the video, the queen's interruption of the King's speech is a turning point for Alicent. She has enough of what was done to her father, family and children not in succession line soon. She is standing up and starting to assert her postion. Her interruption is about power and control.
Also she wore green, her house's color not the King's color. As walks, she turns eyes to her house as an acknowledgment.
Larys Stong says and asks "The king will not be happy. Right in the midst of his speech. The beacon on the Hightower, do you know what color glows when Oldtown calls its banners to war? Response was "Green".
War is coming, but it won't be a HOTD without it!
Enjoyed this episode more then the last one. Looking forward to the next one.
Did sir christen break guest right? King have guests "guest right" sir christen is part of the kings household. SO someone in
the kings household killed a guest under there protection? Right?
Also seems like House Velaryon would expect Criston to be punished since Joffrey was under their protection as well
Actually Daemon does deny the Royce’s accusation, he calls it slander.
I had complete sympathy for Criston until this episode. Sexual temptation from an attractive woman who holds power over you conflicting with your honor and station is a sympathetic struggle. But he completely let his ego get involved by proposing to her, but I can respect he felt he needed to try. However all of his justification of preserving honor was incinerated when he snapped. Mans fumbled the bag so hard.
I find it hard to even see why he did what he did. Why kill someone who isnt causing it. I just find it hard to see why he did what he did to be honest. Someone snapping is a poor excuse, even people who break have method to their actions
@@TransportSupremo I initially took what Joffrey said as a threat. I now know why others think this is ridiculous, but at my first viewing of the episode, my knee jerk reaction was that he was threatening Criston. [>
@@kaineshigaraki5253 i mean it isnt much of a threat if hes exposing himself aswell. I didnt see that at all. Im just confused about what criston thought
@@TransportSupremo Crispin likely thought he was being blackmailed by Joffrey. I feel Crispin has been living in abject terror of being tortured to death, starting any time now, since sleeping with Rhaenrya. He probably hasn't slept since. He's a Knight so can't face the fact he's scared sh1tless. When he asks Rhaenrya to run away with him, this is his cry for help. He can't admit to Rhaenrya that he is scared of death by torture and needs her to reassure him that she won't let that happen to him. Her speech about duty to the realm coming first could easily be interpreted as saying she would allow him to die screaming if it helps her achieve power. That's her betrayal of him, putting him in a place of extreme danger she doesn't see.
It doesn't help that he can't admit the truth of his conflict, his abject terror
He asks Alicent for the mercy of a quick death. Man is terrified, has been for days, probably hasn't slept at all. Rhaenrya is so wrapped up in her dramas she fails to notice that he is so different after they have sex.
I don't know how it's presented in the book but after watching this episode I can say with disappointment and confusion that his "snap" makes about as much sense as the one of a certain character in a certain 8th season of another show.
Heard several comments wondering about Daemon’s outfit in the opening scene. Seems pretty clear to me he dressed like The Stranger, which I think his wife recognizes.
liked the episode a lot but really didn't like the knight of kisses getting killed st the end, seemed like having it happen in the tourney would have been much better. seemed like they just wanted a bit of drama at the end of the episode cos it's episode 5 but I felt it spolit the slow building of tension through the feast
They obviously werent going to do 2 tourneys in 5 episodes
Yeah, it just looked like them horribly killing off one of the first gay character they introduced
@@Peecamarke they just killed off a character not a "gay character". They killed straight characters in one episode did you comment on that?
@@Peecamarke We didn't get much more time with Renly....
@@user-op6kt8pg9y yer I guess it does that mean we won't get the broken bones fight? And while they do have the greens faction at the feast the tourney is where in the books we get the blacks emerge so seems likely they will put it in. I still feel they could have held off on Joffrey's death
Great breakdown, Crispin spilled the beans without knowing what he’s being asked by Alicent🤣💀!!!
loved the episode and your review. i just could not understand how the fight started in the first place. it seems that the skirmish was started by a third party, and that fact could be significant.
The soldiers bolted their way in thus causing the mayhem. Why did they come in to begin with?? This whole last scene was just jarring as hell and such a deviation from the events that followed in the book. Disappointing.
@@guibox3 I thought it was a mess. And the whole time I was trying to figure out how they are going to end it so that the next time jump makes sense. And I don't think it will make sense, considering the way this episode ended. But we will see next week.
Can we talk about what a power move Daemon pulled? Dude swaggers into his niece’s wedding (you know, the one whose father thinks Daemon slept with her) knowing full well he’s not welcome there
But he knows if the king throws his brother out in front of everyone he’s gonna have to answer some difficult questions
Daemon has him by the short hairs and they both know it, so the king just gives him a chair
Lov your analysis.
This is a brilliant synopsis of the episode, kudos! (subscribed).
it's great to know I'm not the only one that didn't understand how Deamon made his wife's horse rear up
The scene of the rotting food just before the wedding was telling and striking
Oh wow so many little details I didn’t notice the rotting food
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I had the impression that Damon had made sure to cover himself in Dragon odor. The horse stepped back several paces after smelling his hand, which Damon kept offering. And his wife, realizing her danger, and having been hunting, had only her bow, an unwieldy weapon at close range. Maybe she had a hunting knife but Damon was out of reach.
She should have just turned the horse around and leave. But that probably would have been against her personality.
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Why is Alicent so hurt that Rhaenyra doesn't trust her or openly confide in her anymore? Edit: especially or particularly with matters of her "love life"? It's one of the more slightly confusing choices for the show that the character is written in a way that makes it SEEM like she doesn't understand why Rhaenyra would 1) no longer fully trust her loyalty, 2) won't give up the throne (edit: in the future), and 3) won't continue to act as an expected/ normal (non heir to the throne) princess would, especially when she never truly has. She (Alicent) also acts like she's been betrayed, outright by Rhaenyra directly and personally.
Most people have stated that coupled with this feeling of betrayal, is the fear of her children being put in danger from Rhaenyra's potential to hurt them, but so far, for now at least, there is no definitive evidence of that. The fear is easily understandable, even if at this point in time, lacking fully grounded legitimacy.
But one could suppose that the show runners were so worried about her being too easily and closely compared to (the show version) Cersei, based upon what people may have read and surmised for themselves in the book, that they're trying to make her as little as possible an outright type of character that falls fully into one category or another (villain or nieve victim of circumstances) and give her some (however weird or misinterpreted either by herself or the audience) reasonings for what choices/ acts she commits. If handled well, it's actually a good ploy for the story.
I am worried though that what they're trying to do will have the character come across as some odd mixture of Cersei and Sansa (or anyone else) as they were portrayed in the previous series. Hopefully that won't be the case for this character (or any others i.e. Criston Cole currently being compared to Jon Snow/ Shae.) Hopefully the story only keeps getting better in the episodes and seasons to come.
Up until the moment Otto screamed in her face to wake up and understand, Alicent was on the same page as Viserys. Rhaenyra was, is, the heir. So she was never confused about why Rhaenyra wouldn't give up the throne. She understood, and agreed. I really don't understand your qualms about her character.
Here’s my hunch. Rhaenyra breached Alicent’s trust, and this is big, because her children are claimants to the throne. Earlier in the episode, Otto mentions that she can prepare Aegon to rule or beg Rhaenyra to spare her children. Had Rhaenyra not lied to her about her innocence, she would have been more relaxed, but now that she knows that Rhaenyra would do anything to maintain her position, she can’t trust her enough to show mercy to her children.
As a non-book reader and casual watcher I find Alicent more sympathetic than Rhaenyra. This episode really won me over to her, especially her entrance with the green dress. I don't get the Cersei comparison at all, but maybe I will once more episodes are out...
As i understand it, it's because she thinks that by defending her to Vyseris she cost the hand position to her father. Increased by the fact that the princess swore on her dead mother and Alicent who lost her mother too believed her
@@condensedman At the same time, you could argue that what Rhaenyra did , protected Sir Criston. If she had brought up his name, he could be in trouble due to this oath.
I think on the show the opening scene has ambiguity at least in terms of Daemon’s intentions. He almost seems to be toying with ill intent, and then he almost seems ready to walk away when she’s injured, until she insults him in a way that resonates on a couple of levels for him.
Daemon does deny killing Rhea, he says that there are consequences for slander, falsely accusing him of killing her
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Glad to watch these videos after the episode. Helps solidify everything.
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i can't be confinced that the motivation the show gave for cole murdering that guy in the fashion that he did was in any way justified.
i get that he feels all those emotions but i don't understand why he would focus that energy on him, he was nothing but supportive and in no way said anything that would make him some sort of enemy of him.
it is a super unhunorable act by a person driven by honor and deeply seeking to restore it after losing it, there must have been a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes.
and as a sidenote, why was he able to walk outside and try to kill himself, how wasn't he arrested or something for murdering someone in front of every royal family at the biggest royal wedding for no reason.
Ser Christian caught feelings faster than a case of Greyscale
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A couple of small things. Alongside a possible sighting of Mushroom, we had the first appearance of (Grand) Maester Orwyle. We also saw a new Dragon for the first time; Meleys, the Red Queen.
I enjoy HOTD very much but we need more varied videos... like one all about Ser Pounce and how he's Azor Ahai in the books. Or one explaining why the TARDIS looks like a dragon now and where are the Doctor's companions. And about 99% less of Rings of Power content.
If they added just 10 more minutes to fully let the feast unravel it wouldn't have felt so rushed.
It was a great episode but it could have been excellent...
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Marriage ceremonies NEVER end well in the GRRM world 😂
Tommen's wedding ceremony with Margaery? If you're just talking about the ceremony... 😉
I have two problems with this episode, Daemon suddenly disappearing even though he was planning to claim Rhaenyra (even killed his wife) & Ser Criston sudden outburst
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Yep plus apparently a White Cloak can commit murder at a wedding feast (the groom's BF no less) with no repercussions. He just leaves, gets to wander around the grounds.
Imo it was also weird AF how no one cleaned up poor Joffrey's blood. I'm all for "symbology", but a royal wedding with a guest's blood pooled on the floor? Apparently the servants had the night off. Heavy handed writing.
@@lobomedina6312 Yes, and the queen was left completely unprotected and allowed to wander after him alone. Because prominent government people who find themselves in close proximity to a murder are never grabbed and hustled away by security.until it is established what the hell is happening.
@Mykal Kombat great points! Honestly I was very disappointed in this episode. I saw a lot of cracks. They will never learn I swear: FOLLOW THE BOOK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. This episode had so many "he should be in prison" moments
The end of the episode starting from the dance was a jumbled mess. Illogical character actions and rushed ending.
@@fordhouse8b I didn't get it either. Why weren't people rushing to protect the important people? Makes zero sense.
I'm going to propose that as a prey animal, Rhea's horse could pick up on the scent of Caraxes on Daemon, and as was established in ep. 1, the smell of a dragon can linger on it's rider. That being said, the horse got spooked and reared and that was why it threw Rhea
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Could you do a quick video elaborating on GRRM's comments regarding cannon or tell me the source? I looked through your videos and nothing stood out. Was this covered in a live stream? Thanks again.
The Oldtown tower burning green to call their banners was an interesting little tidbit. Maybe we already knew that and I'd just forgotten.
We don’t really KNOW what started the fight in the banquet. I hope it is revealed in the next episode 😒
I was pretty ambiguous but the only reasonable explanation is that Ser Criston started whacking Joffrey Lonmouth and the aggression kind of spread out as people started pushing each other around. Why else would Laenor try to get to Ser Criston and attack him?
Cole reaction should have been right after Geoffrey's comment and not x time later. I even rewind to se if i missed something. Other than that, great episode
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Daemon was grinning and smiling when he came in and it felt the runestone thing was more of a threat to shit him up
As a horse owner, and someone who has worked with horses for years the way he approached the horse already had it uneasy. The horse was unfamiliar with him and was already cautious, Daemon approaching it as he did contributed and it reared. The weight of a rider can throw a horse off balance as they are used to rearing without a rider and can pull the center of gravity backwards. I believe it was fully intentional that he caused the horse to do this. That and another commentor mentioned dragon-scent; which could be a factor but I obviously know little of the interactions between horses and dragons! There's my two cents.
Loved this episode but the choreography for the dancing was so funny to me.
Robert: Best guess on what would make the horse rear up like that: I assume Daemon flew to the Vale on Dragon back & could very well "stink of dragon". In the beginning of Episode 1 when Rhaenyra first visited her mother & then to the small council meeting where her father also commented they could smell her dragon on her still. I am not sure if even a trained horse would totally be able to overcome "dragon-fear" and it might be even more terrifying if a horse could smell dragon, but be unable to see one.
9:27 that was the part toke me off. I think it was a stretch somebody guess Criston Cole liked Rhaenyra Targaryen just because he was looking at her. He was her personal guard, he should be taking care of her, I know very well there are different aspects of "looking someone" and it can mean something, but I think you need to know that person a little bit more than just rumors... Overall episode was good, but he missing the door guard would be more realistic
what's your thoughts on the camera looking at the boots through out this episode
Another edge of the seat great stuff episode
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I absolutely loved the episode, the wedding scenes was amazing all the hidden messages and themes coming together. Alicent showing up in the dress, Joffrey's death, ugh absolutely loved it. I very much fell in love with Laenor and Rhaenyra's friendship this episode. And as we have learned, if your name is Joffrey, don't attend a wedding in Westeros.
It's funny how ser Criston wants to mend breaking the chastity vow (if it's even a thing, it's probably "take no wife and father no children", so he technically didn't even break it) by desertion (that should be death sentence) and marrying Rhaenyra (that would definitely break his vow).
What I've gathered from Daemon startling a horse: as he was approaching, the horse started acting nervous and go backwards. So he distracted Rhea looking up, she followed and he took this moment to provoke the horse without her catching it. As I saw, he didn't need to do anything special, the horse disliked him immediately
he might have smelled of Dragon
I wish we didn’t have to do so much mental gymnastics to figure it out tho
Man, Viserys really should have used Rheanyra's wedding as a coronation celebration and become king regent, or whatever the appropriate title is. Especially considering his health.
But how? She is an adult, is it legal ?
@@monzastark6198 what do you mean? Children ascend the throne when their reigning parent dies, so I don't see why Viserys stepping down so his adult daughter can ascend would be an unthinkable thing to do. If he can decree that gender no longer matters to the monarchy, why would stepping down before his death be any different?
Ser Criston Cole never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
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they are rushing through the story line so fast the viewers can't even play the "who are they going to knock off" in this episode game, because characters are knocked off before they even have any face time . 🙃🤔😪
I took Jeffrey's statement to Ser Criston as a more of a threat, and I think that is how Ser Criston took it too.
The last 10 minutes of this episode felt like finding a band-aid at the bottom of your plate when you ate a gourmet meal. Things deviated hugely from the source material here after doing such a beautiful set up for events such as the tourney (Where an angry Ser Cole kills Joffery in the tournament), the marriage and the king's death. Why did the soldiers come in there to begin with? How exactly could Ser Criston get away with slapping around Laenor like that? Where is the explanation for this sudden mayhem with no follow up??
They changed the events drastically and slammed it all together in an incoherent and rushed way that made little sense. I wish they had taken the time to play this out according to the book. This is the only time I was disappointed in this series.
i agree, it's a stretch on reality, and wouldn't you think someone would clean up the blood ?("i ain't cleaning that up - Berta). Very poor writing.
They already showed a tourney and death in the first episode. Probably too same-y is why they avoided similar scenes so soon. Plus changes when adapting a book will always happen, for better or worse. I enjoy being surprised from time to time, though I can understand your concern and criticism. No doubt Alicent pleads with Viserys to spare Criston's life, or spins it in a way to make him look like a hero somehow. Guess we'll have to wait until episode 6 for the answers.
I thought is was great. Ser Cole probably thought he wasn't getting away with it hence the suicide attempt being stopped by the queen. The build up was good. He basically felt he had nothing left to lose but his life. And than this fake tourney knight coming up to him and crushing him some more by showing tourney knights have no honor and rubbing in that he gave up his honor to be a f*cktoy for a spoiled princess.
The soldiers came running in cos there was a ruckus and the ruckus was Ser Cole bashing the Knight of Kisses i like how they did it cos this is basically what happens in such a situation only the people right in the front know what's going on while the people in the back are frantically looking and seeing nothing through the mass of people. The hysterical people running away from the danger not knowing why they are running away. That helps with the rumors of what actually transpired.
He probably gets away with it with help of the queen and how it happened nobody in the back knowing exactly who hit who. And i don't think Corlys and Rhaenys are that mad about it, the boy has a duty he needs to fulfill, and losing the gay lover of their son is really a bonus, plus Laenor wasn't seriously hurt. A tourney would have been great but this is more in line with the state of mind Ser Cole had and probably helps the ambiguity around Rhaenyra and her lovers and her offspring. plus it puts a domper on the plans Jaehearys had made you see it's all slipping away from him he has lost the direction of the situation. Starting with Daemon showing up, his wife interrupting him, Daemon acting all incesty on the dancefloor with his daughter, again, and it ends with a common brawl.
King isn’t dead
The guards were entering to break things up after after Criston had already started to pick a fight with Joffrey. We don't actually see how the fight starts but we see Laenor rushing to Joffrey's defence, which lets us know that the fight had been going on for a while. I think the scene was supposed to have been confusing as seen by the King, giving an out to not have Criston summarily executed afterwards.
Hopefully we see more of breakbones his character is very intriguing
Daemon didn’t just say he was going to come back to Runestone, he said he would FLY there.
That party scene was intense
Why wasn't Criston arrested for killing a knight in cold blood in front of royal witnesses?
"Atop the Hightower, the great beacon fire turned a baleful green as Lord Martyn Hightower called his banners." Sons of the Dragon chapter from Fire and Blood
Daemon casually saying "I will fly to the Eyrie" to a man who has probably never spoken so many words to someone capable of flight is such a power move
Wasn't the feast supposed to be followed by 7 days of tourney, after which a wedding? Maybe I got that backwards but the wedding ceremony felt rushed, like they'll get married instead that night.
Yep, and considering how soon the King just kissed the floor, I feel like that ceremony might not've been rushed enough.
Yes. And it was at this tourney that Cole lost his shit and killed Joffery. Frankly, they set this up perfectly in the movie by having Joffery basically blackmail Cole. Now he kills him in what can be considered just at tourney accident. Instead they mush this, the wedding and most likely Visery's death all into one confusing scene. The only blot on an excellent series so far.
@@cy-one Right? 😂
yes it was, but it didn't happened ; they needed a shot gun wedding because 1) of killing and 2) king knows he's dying. So they got right to it.
@@guibox3 Viserys didn't die. They showed him in the preview for next week.
I'd have to rewatch the first scene to say for sure, but the horse was very clearly extremely skittish (probably just a reaction Daemon's terrible vibes and the nervousness of Rhea), so when she suddenly went for her bow, if Daemon made any sort of sudden movement (especially with being in a flowing cape) could have caused the horse to react really strongly. Long story short, I don't think it's super realistic, especially for a horse that is taken out hunting, something that would require it to stay calm and cool
Daemon scared the horse on purpose. I don't know why tjere js a question. Both, the horse, and the wife read his behavior.
maybe dragon smell on Daemon spooked the horse
@@lkrnpk that's a really good idea! That would make sense for a strong predator scent to freak it out. I hadn't considered it
So far it was the most slow episode as fairly few things actually happened. However, I did love the literal dance of dragons. As well as Daemon being hidden when doing bad things. For example we can speculate that he tried to bring thr horse down. Or that he checked that his wife didn't have any feeling bellow neck before killing her. Also we don't see if Daemon kisses Rhenyra in front of everyone.
he checked his wife didn't feel anything below neck , so he bashed her face?
Well ... that moved right along ...
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Corlys and Rhaenys discussion was quite fun to watch.
First, Corlys asks it he overplayed his hand. He's not really sure he can push that far. He insulted the King. He tried to overtake the throne for his family.
Second, they discuss Laenor being gay. And Corlys seems to think it can be fixed, because, apparently, he kinda tried both in his youth and figured he's straight only with Rhaenys?
Third, Rhaenys says he's putting their kid in danger. And goes with her overall bitter "I got screwed, so now I know how things are" attitude.
But what started the fight at the party? I saw the guards come in and it all got crazy.
Jesus Daemon, I would’ve consummated that marriage 😅
I’m late to this thread. During Rhae and Laenor’s wedding I noticed when Daemon pulled Rhae away from the dance floor, he held her close as though to kiss her. I believe Criston saw them and charged towards them but perhaps was held back by Joffrey. The screaming began, I saw Daemon walk away. That might have been the reason he killed Joffrey.
This episode made me think what all the episodes have, only more strongly. It made me think, "Why am I watching this terrible barbaric thing?"
I took the horse's reaction to Daemon being a result of him smelling like his dragon.
Whoever cast them is 🔥🔥Weymar and Rhea's actors look like siblings😮
2:27 Otto Hightower take my horse to the old Town roads😂😂😂😂😂
I was wondering what happened with the King, why he was bleeding, then seemed ok, then collapsed. Could he be poisoned? It seemed like he got WAY worse during this trip
I see a lot of people thinking that what Criston did was out of left field and I think you’re explanation made a lot of sense. But I think the lynchpin where he actually attacked him was that Lonmouth was not taking the situation seriously and it looks like he was cuddling snuggling with and kissing Laenor right in the middle of a feast while Daemon was flirting with Rhyyra. I think that’s what did it for him in the end that’s when he broke
I think it's a little weird that a knight of the kingsguard just beat a man to death at a wedding and everyones just like damn what a shame 🤣 Like he should have said something like "laenors lover tried to kill the queen out of jealousy! I saved her!" Or at least have Alicent throw that out there while ser crispy creme gathers himself lol
I’m even more confused now than I was after the last episode. Multiple aspects of this episode make no sense at all which makes me wonder did HBO change events significantly from the books? Usually show events based on GRRM’s books make sense, even if they are brutal, violent or depraved. But what does it accomplish for Ser Christen to kill Laenor’s boyfriend? If he killed Laenor out of jealousy that would at least make a certain kind of twisted sense but killing the other guy achieves nothing. And in response the king scraps an entire week’s worth of planned pomp and circumstance and marries the heir to the throne off with no one in attendance? That makes less than no sense. This show is rapidly becoming very disappointing.
There is no evidence Ser Criston has "repeatedly broken" his vow of chastity.
The Memes this shows produces have been fun.
What happened to Daemon during the brawl? Where did he go?