Which is the most efficient EV? Convoy elimination contest electric cars v a diesel! Cost per mile?
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- čas přidán 11. 10. 2022
- Testing a number of the more efficient EVs
Hyundai Ioniq 28kwh
Hyundai Kona 64kwh
MG4 Trophy 64kwh
Cupra Born 58kwh level 2
Tesla Model 3 standard range LFP
Seat Mii - same a VW e-up or Skoda citigo
The challenge is to see which costs the least per mile to run. Which can travel the most miles on each precious kWh of electricity.
All good electric cars, but which will cost the least for the daily commute or school run? How cheap are they really, compared to modern combustion cars - petrol or diesel…?
I also throw in a modern efficient diesel for good measure. Albeit a bigger car (all I had available) it is usually a very efficient Mercedes estate and gives a good point of comparison. Especially when I break down the journey cost and pence per mile fuel running costs.
Which did/do you think will win? - Auta a dopravní prostředky
“It’s not how much you accelerate, it is how much you don’t brake.” - Very true. Most people are not aware of this, so good for RSymons to help educate the driving public.
This is where getting the right regen setting is important, too much isn't always best!
My driving instructor gave 2 key analogies. Imagine you have your nervous maiden aunt in the car, and a stack of half crowns on the dashboard. The coinage attests to the era.
@@spikebmth Max regen setting is fine as long as you modulate with your foot imo.
That is true for ICE cars, but not so for EV's. Why do you think ECO mode dampens acceleration?
@@peterbell7553 It's a very very limited effect. The ECO button exists so that people *feel* like they are driving efficiently.
Great video and appreciate your editors choice in music 🎵! I'm surprised at some of the results, it would have been worth having all the cars complete the trip so as to give a better average!
Cheers to those bringing their cars, TY!
This was such a fun test! More please!
He's back again, with the team, to show us all the real world EV food, we all need to know, as always matey, top job !
E-Up! / Mii/ Citigo. Obvious win. It's the most economical EV out there, air cooled battery, light, great regeneration.. same with the ioniq 28. It goes to show that modern tech isn't always the best.. we love our E-Up!
That's just due to weight (car and battery). The Ioniq because it has a quite small battery compared to the rest. It does show you really want to think carefully about size of battery vs more recharges for your longer trips.
@@wfdTamar not only weight, you would be surprised how much energy it takes to pre heat or cool a liquid cooled battery.
Small frontal area is great for aero and relatively skinny tyres helps too.
Excellent. Very informative and real world test. Thanks to everyone who brought their own cars and took part. Felt sorry for the MG driver - he looked crestfallen to go out on the first round. Can imagine him taking that car home and giving it a sound thrashing with the charging cable
Excellent video. Thank you to all those who brought their own cars along. If I could afford an EV I'd buy one. Never spent more than 10K on a vehicle in my life (been driving 40 years)
40 years of expensive fuel, oil, maintenance, spare parts, taxes and so on... are the real reason we have little money leftover.
As always, Richard and Team, a fabulously informative, 'real-world' driving comparison - you guys do it SO well...!!
Only slight niggle was that the stats table (my inner-anorak's favourite bit...! 🤓) at the end was partially covered by the MG4 'next video' pop-up and your RSymons roundal icon...
Contact us via website and I’ll email the pdf 😉
The stats table should now be visible!!!
brilliant test and totally great video. you are one of my top 3 favorite ev channels! this was a truly fantastic idea! the winner surprised me, my bet was on the Ioniq. And impressive that the Kona beat the Tesla. but also good result for Tesl considering the power it has .
Nice and informative as ever - very useful to have the table at the end of the video. Well done!
Wow wonderful test. Thanks for this, really appreciated
Travelling on motorways at 68mph, the most overlooked EV, classic Ioniq does 6.2 miles/kWh in the Summer. Kona will do 5.4. BUT having 300+ mile range is a game changer.
I've never got anywhere near 5.4m/kWh going 68 mph on a motorway in the Kona. I tend to stick to 65 but 4 is more realistic maybe 4.5 in summer.
@@Lewis_Standing Run it in Eco mode and no hvac, ever. Lol Only need sport for, hmm despatching fossil cars. Lol
In a Kia e-Niro I get 5 m/kWh at 20c on the motorway at 60mph
@@Piccyman1 yeah at 60 , not 68. At 20c . Just saying not going to get 5.4 at those speeds unless in exceptional circumstances
I have Kona ultimate and am amazed at the range, I do drive like miss Daisy
Thanks for the great video and to all the folks who contributed to it. I just got my new Ioniq 5 last weekend and have just finished my first full week of commuting with it - a bit of a change from a 15 year-old Astra!. My commute is like your Lap 4 - a 23 mile round-trip mix of some town, some dual carriagway but mostly country A-roads.
I am getting around the 3.9-4.1 mi/kWh mark for the commute so less efficient than the cars in your test, but then it is a big car, and I think the MG4 and Ioniq 5 may well be very close if they both did the Lap 4 run together. My commute includes a fair bit of height gain from one end to the other, and I can clearly see the difference in efficiency between the 'uphill' mornings and the 'downhill' afternoons (also warmer weather in the afternoons?)
This leads me to two questions: firstly, how much difference does the quality of the driver make? You say yourself that you are very experienced in efficient driving techniques, how much difference do you think it would make to the results if you were to swap drivers between vehicles?
Secondly - The Mii, the Ioniq, the Kona and the Tesla have all been around for a few years - the Born is based on the newer ID.3 platform, the MG4 is very newly released. Are newer car designs actually less efficient than older designs? Is this a real trend?
Vw and cupra weigts more than 1800 kg and that isn't good...
Superb review Richard. Surprised with the mpg of the Merc, but as you say better on longer runs. Definitely home charging is the way to go at night on the cheaper tariff if your lucky enough to have a charger / driveway of course.
The colour of that MG is awesome, great to see so many people taking part in the review.
Or, live very near a 'free' supermarket charger. Way cheaper than at home, just got to charge in a couple of sessions though!
On a longish 88 mile run using mostly motorway, A30, M5, and then the A38 to and from Bristol Airport I averaged over 47mpg (best one way 48.7) in my 2017 Audi A4 4wd with a 3 litre TD engine. Probably the best ULEZ compliant TD engine in the business. Outperforms 2 litre engines in similar mid size cars, and matches some in compact cars. Such a shame they’re going out of fashion.
A really fascinating video Richard. It’s a pity that public charging is now hitting what, 85p / kWh?, but for those of us who are fortunate to be able to charge at home on overnight tariffs, EVs are ridiculously cheap to run with me averaging about 1.3 ppm in my Model 3 LR. GREAT VID!
In Germany we pay 50cents per kWh. Brilliant!! At that rate the efficiency over the Diesel is basically non existent. So basically 100km at 20kwh cost 10€, 100km at 5 liters Diesel cost 8-9€
Putting some great videos out at the moment. Really interesting 👍
Brilliant video, thank you.
It's kinda funny and at the same time sad that the best two EVs here are cancelled and not produced anymore.
Agree…
It's almost like manufacturers want you to buy their new, more expensive and less efficient models.....
Because in general the market wanted longer range.. which is more weight.
Interesting and fun, as always. Congratulations to the team.
Excellent. Exactly video I was looking for 👌
We have the Seat Mii sister car the VW e-up so not surprised by the result! Great car and far more practical than we ever expected. Gets used more than our etron and not because it’s cheaper to run - just better at nipping in and out of the city and beyond, easy to park and decent range all year around.
I wish Kia made an electric version of their little Picanto. That would be the ultimate efficient shopping trolley!
@@MrBenHaynes 👍I agree! On my wish list is KIA Rio EV, but most likely this will never happen, sadly!
I bought the MG4 two weeks ago and had MG5 for over a year and sadly they're not the most efficient cars on the market. However when you think about the price it definitely compensates this 😃
Let me give you some figures. On MG5 average from 4k miles was 4.0kwh so far on MG4 is around 3.5kwh
Great review guy's if you want the MG4 for another review I'm happy to help
I wonder why the smaller MG4 would be less efficient than the MG5?
@@mikebreen2890 time of year more than likely....MG4 has only been run since the weather has been shite (if in the UK or most of Europe)
@@bracken752 Ah, good point. My MG5 was eating range like it was hungry today, 2 degrees.
@@mikebreen2890 my next car will be the new MG5 as our current MG ZS EV (2020 - first model) is getting sub 3miles per kwh at the moment....did a 100 mile trip it the other week and wasn't even able to get to the destination without charging because 130+ GOM range in cold weather is really only 90miles :(.
@@bracken752 A realistic 150 miles on the motorway even in cold weather, that's the minimum for me.
My 53kw MG5 does that comfortably. I'm pretty sure I could have got 180 miles in 6 degree weather last week, but you know score with getting down to zero!
I stopped in Wetherby and had a nice walk and a coffee while on a 7kw post, that was all I needed to be well within range. :-)
There's a BP Pulse there as well, so could have been on my way again in under ten minutes.
Chargers trump range! (to a point!).
My guess for the winner was the Ioniq, honestly, I haven't heard about this Seat until now 🙂
Great review, I wish there were more tests like this.
Keep up the good work, greetings from Hungary 🙂
Great comparison. Real world test.... Important to spread the "facts".... 👍
Really interesting. Here in Australia people seem to think any EV automatically is good and therefore they have moral or ethical licence to buy the biggest, least efficient one they can get their hands on.
Compared to an ICE vehicle, yes ANY EV is still better. There's not much choice in 2021/2022, and if you don't want a Tesla (for those who are cashed up and think it's too "common") your only other choice really is a big inefficient SUV EV The good ones like Ioniq5 and EV6 were snapped up within minutes of becoming available because there's so few of them available. 2023 is looking much better though.
I have always wondered how Hyundai gets such good efficiency numbers despite their EVs not being dedicated EV-only platforms. Whereas Chinese EVs, although much cheaper, usually have much lower efficiency numbers despite their designs looking very aerodynamic.
Excellent video - thank you. Any idea how the Nissan Leaf would have fared in that line up?
Excellent comparison! Congrats!
I've just started watching the video, I've got a runner in the field as a Kona electric owner but I know just how efficient those Ioniqs are! Will be interesting to see how those 2 stack up.
Well done to all involved.would be interesting to do a test to see what car-was closer % wise to advertised range versus real life in these types of EV and
Thanks David, Ross & Stacey!
Unless you need 100 mile plus range in the winter it is almost impossible to look past the Ioniq as the all round best package.
Hi there, very interesting and I’ve been looking for an electric car since give up my i3 Rex a couple of years ago BUT… I’ve a 2019 BMW 320d, I travel weekly across the Derbyshire Dales across north wales and weekend down the M1 and M42 to Stratford Upon Avon (base in chesterfield). I can’t insert a photo (if I can happy to here how to) and I’m averaging 73.5 mpg on a 90mile run taking 1hr 49min average 52.3 mph on a mixture of road over the Dales and motorways). My electric as at today and (as informed I’m on the best tariff) is 52p per kWh, the price for diesel was this week £1.78, the car cost (6 months ago) £23,995 from BMW with 16,000 miles on it. OK the maths, on an average of 60mpg (although I’m getting more) it works out to be £17.99 per 100 miles, electric it works out to be £13.48 per 100 miles based on national average of 34.6 kWh per 100 miles. Which is in keeping with may reviews (I’ve watched many…) so on pure price per mile in this scenario is far cheaper, on a convince level filling up in a few minutes is more convenient, from the purchase of a vehicle and maintenance costs it’s quite a while until I see the return on investment. As I’ve said I’d like to buy electric for many reasons, I loved my i3 but for now, for me the costs (excluding the convenience) just doesn’t stack-up :-(
For all those that say this is not a fair comparison I’ll give you a 15,000 mile town, country, motorway comparison. My car only does 4 mile kwh because I drive it hard I pay 28p kwh at PodPoint and Shell so 60 miles costs me £4.20 you can drive a hybrid Prius at 60 mpg costs you £7.28 @ £1.60 litre.
We have just switched to Octopus Go and get 7.5p per kwh (night time rate). At that rate the seat would cost 1p per mile.
Yep! I thought I’d best do worst case scenario.
@@RSEV you really should do a best case scenario too. Love your videos. Pure class. But so many people do charge at home on a cheap overnight rate!
@@mchammer1982 We have solar/Zappi & Octopus Go Faster at 4.5p/kWh off peak... so very cheap to run our EVs!
@@spikebmth I pay 7cent here in Ireland overnight so less than €4 for a full charge overnight which on average will do about 350km
@@spikebmth evs on overnight tarrifs and solar are basically free to run when compared to ICE. The cost is so low in comparison it's practically free in my eyes
Great stuff team, good watching. Music volume is still ludicrously high mind you.... but the content is ace.
Some good efficient driving going on there - I'm impressed you got a consistent>5mi/kWh out of the Born (must be pressing the Go pedal too much in my ID3!)
The Born comes with updated software for the battery heat management.. your ID will be much better once you get SW 3.0 OTA
It was gentle efficient rural driving!
I get 3.7 so far from my born since I get it (2000mls today) but is everyday 2 short drives of 10miles and sometimes I get the heavy pedal out of a roundabout etc 😇, I guess the car doesn’t have time even to get warm
Great review, changing the subject slightly but is the lane keep assist as bad on every car or is it just the mg 4 that’s terrible ? Also do they all default to set lka as on even if you’ve turned it off previously ?
Many thanks
Great vid and data, thanks to all the team especially those loan cars, some nice plates as well.
End Table of data should be more visible now. Thanks for watching!
That Kona in orange looks nice.
Far too many cars come in boring colours... well done to both Hyundai & MG for having some bright colours in their range!
brilliant to see such a wide range test, thanks to the kona and seat owners for the contributions
great video Richard. very interesting . ive got a Tesla 85D with 227,000 on the clock would like to see a video on High mileage cars to see how they perform currently
Hi Richard hopefully you can do similar journey with new Kia ev6 and Niro ev etc to see consumption? As always great information video!!
Amazing that the ioniq is still so efficient considering all the recent technology & battery improvements
It was designed around efficiency and had a standard heat pump, a bit of a shame hyundai moved away from this philosophy in the newer ioniq5
It's battery is like half the size of the others. Batteries are heavy ;)
Great to see the top 3 being older cars / technology. Anyone waiting for second hand cars, don't be concerned
Do you think it’s like ICE cars where they need running in to loosen everything up? Perhaps new pads and discs slightly dragging
@@fanfeck2844 quite possibly, or do newer cars concentrate on faster charging, rather than driveline efficency
@@chargingabout to be honest I’ve no idea what makes one motor more efficient over another, barring the weight and aero of the car, but the mg is low and slick, while the Kona looks like a wind block
@@chargingabout let's all not forget the nissan leaf 24, 30 and 40 kWh, the 60 isn't too bad but your still stuck with chademo and of course the early Zoe before the ZE40 and even then some didn't have rapid 50kw charging ! I would also stay clear of that ioniq yes it's efficient but if you don't drive it efficiently you won't go very far as the battery is small ! Then there's the smart car the Mazda and the Honda all ones to avoid in my opinion.
I’d like to see the vehicle weight/mass on the table too, I’m thinking low speed stop-go it’s mostly about how heavy the vehicle is. As you said, Model 3 good on a motorway because it’s very aerodynamic (and electrically efficient too).
I've never understood why people have a number plate trying to say the make of the car, what's that about. Look at the badge. 4 ONA and 8 ORN, 🤣 oh dear. Anyway, back to the results - I feel you should be including the cost of the car as well. If a cheaper car is less efficient then the savings on buying it will outweigh the higher charging costs. It is important it really is. This was a good test for me being a 'fossil' user. I'm still a Tesla fan. I love the tech and would need their awesome Supercharger network. Nicely done folks! 🙂👍🏻 Thx.
We all like different things in life, be boring if we all liked the same things!
@@spikebmth yeh can’t argue with that 👍🏻 says the man (me) with a plate with his initials on it 😂
A super video and many thanks for taking the time out to produce it. Disappointed that the MG EV 4 was first to be eliminated. I'd have expected better for a modern car. Perhaps access to all that cheap and abundant power in their home market (China) doesn't encourage efficient design.
obviously you didn't see MG4's lap 2 result. It is at least as efficient as Cupra
@@dt8101 Hi - I might have missed that.
nice to see a video on 5 year HP with these cars Ev vs Hybrid vs petrol. my toyota Yaris 21 plate cost me £17k and does 85mpg av. would like to see how close it is running costs.
Interesting video as always! Was expecting the born to go out first tbh!
That merc got a shabby mpg, I’ve got a 2L turbo diesel seat Leon and I get about 45 round town and countryside and I have a fairly heavy foot
My 2005 Picasso 2.0 HDi does 50 mpg normally. That's what I call efficient.
@@unairamos74 highest I got out of it was 80.1mpg which I was really happy with
Thanks for organising this comparison. Now organise the presentation of the results - its table time, surely!?
The end of the video….💁♂️
Great video mate👌
Brilliant comparison. Shame about the mg tho. That mii did amazing. My money was on the ioniq. Love these comparisons. Fantastic.
I love the vs videos and would love to see another line up in this style or perhaps a carwow style range challenge with a bunch of EVS. I'd also be intrigued to see a long journey (300+ miles) with a similar EV and ICE (for example a Corsa e and a Yaris hybrid) and charge/fill them up to full before setting off and compare journey time and costs.
"Carwow style" would be "run 'til they stop" which is not the way.
When all you hear from youtubers about how fossil based EV's are no good. It is interesting to note that most pure EV's are much heavier than the likes of Ioniq and Kona which easily get over 5 miles/kWh pure EV's excluding Tesla only seem capable of 3.5 miles/kWh.
interesting stuff and slightly surprising re the M3 - liking the look of the Polestar 3 btw
Another great video Richard. If you need an electric Mini for a comparison video, give me a shout.
Good video thanks. My 3 year old Nissan Qashqai 1.5L diesel automatic averages 55 mpg (uk) with mixed driving.
I always like to call it Nissan's Qashcow 🤣
I’ve not seen 4.7 in my MG4 in 1200 miles, 4 on country roads and 3.5 at 66mph on the motorway. About 35% worse than my Ioniq 38, have done side by sides.
Small or big battery MG4?
@@alfrredd big. 64 (61.7 net). 👍
@@ianjames3078 Oh, good. I'm still waiting for some charging and efficiency tests of the small LFP battery.
How's the difference in drive quality and owner experience. Still thinking of ionic over mg4
@@jamesfromwales mg4 rides and drives better than Ioniq imo. BUT…….our MG4 has an oil leak, a non fitting undertray and has been in the garage longer in 3 weeks than our Ioniq has in nearly 3 years.
Now run the same test in the winter. I'm keen to see those efficiency figures. I have the Mercedes A250e plugin hybtid. I've had just shy of 4 m/KwH in the Summer, but I get worse than 2m/KwH on a cold winter day. it is actually cheaper to run it off petrol in winter!
Biggest difference between MG4 and Kona. One struggles to do 4 miles/kWh and the other struggles to do less than 5 miles/kWh. 🤔
Comparison is meaningless without knowing which battery the Kona has. Weight is critical to power needed to overcome inertia, which is the overriding parameter in this type of test circuit.
@@flowntn1989 it's the bigger battery 64kWh Kona. The specs are in the description.
Seeing your comment is really just seeing a comment!
Agree but it's nearly £10k price difference
We were thinking of putting our Kona in for an MG4. Decided against it on efficiency and range.
Very good comparison. But I think the weight of the car and the power of the motor may be the factors to consider as well.
I'm a bit late commenting here but what struck me was the cost of the electricity even at home in the UK. I lived in the UK up until about 1990 before coming to Canada and I don't really remember the electricity cost as standing out to be very different. Anyway, fast forward until today and my off peak electricity overnight from 7pm - 7am is 7.4 cents Canadian per KWhr. So to "fill up" my Kona EV costs about $4.74 not including charging losses for 64KW. That is about 2.80 GBP. About half my bill is "delivery" charges so let's double that for the actual cost. It still only costs about 5.60GBP. And the crazy thing is that we are getting a new ultra low overnight tariff made available in November where the electricity cost that time will go down to 2.5 cents per KWhr.
Thanks for another great video the Ioniq and kona is a bigger car than mi . Thanks for everyone that helped with there cars and time
I’m amazed how good these car are, my Honda e has averaged 3.9 over 9000 miles
This one trip on one day. Your average isn't too bad overall if it includes a period of winter trips as well as an easy day like on this example. I'm sure you will have done summer trips with much better numbers than your overall average.
This is informative, thanks.
That Mii benifits greatly from its weight i guess.
I get 14,1kWh/100km on motorway at 100kmh with my Born.
great, entertaining and informative video... even if we cant get many of those EVs here in the US. Aren't the Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf available in the UK?
Bolt no, only the Chevy volt was years ago. Nissan Leaf yes
@@RSEV that's odd. GM dropping the ball there. I own a 2017 Bolt (first year) and it's a fine little EV. Well, I really am enjoying your informative CZcams channel mate!
I always enjoy your videos, especially the comparison ones, so thank you for another good one. That being said, what a shame you didn’t take advantage of the fact that the weather was neither too hot or too cold. It would’ve afforded you the opportunity to entirely switch off climate control in every car. As it is you tested the traction efficiency plus the climate control efficiency. Personally, I would be much more interested in knowing about the traction efficiency alone. Perhaps you could try this in the future?
Liked the real world tests. You can eliminate that matchbox seat because not even in spain you see it on the roads. I got a kona ev and recently on a long roadtrip to get to a charger had to hypermile the heck out of it and got 8.1 kw/ 100km which is 7.6 miles per kw. For that i killed the ac and limited speed to 60 km/h and used regen braking on downhills.
That was a fun test. Makes me wonder how different my Smart ForTwo is compared to my Model Y in the city, on rural roads and on the motorway? My gut feeling is the Y would win all of them but after watching this video am not so sure. Would be happy to pop by with the Smart if you wanted to test it.
I have a vw e-up which is the same as the seat mii. Previously had a Smart Fortwo eq. Efficiency wise I’d say the smart is similar to the e-up but the vw e-up has around twice the range and rear seats making it that bit more practical. Miss the smarts ridiculous turning circle though - always put a smile on my face!
Model Y weights more than 2 tonnes, obviously will be less efficient. But it has a better shape for aerodynamic, when a mixture of higher speed road involved where aerodynamic play a bigger part, then it will be very similar
Very good numbers, does the efficiency match up with the gross weight of the cars?
I was wondering how the tyre sizes compare. At lower speeds I think higher rolling resistance due to larger tyres would have a greater effect on efficiency than drag.
It’ll be the Seat, my e-Up consistently returns 6+ m/Kw.
Mr RSymons great vídeo !
And in Brasil the cost of the KW is ,16 cents of dolar!
In Italy is 0,6 euro per KW !!!!!!
As always a brilliant video
It does make sense in that the efficiency of an electric motor is pretty close to 100%. Because of that the difference in fuel efficiency comes down to the difference in weight and aerodynamics. As such it makes sense that the smallest and lightest vehicle would top the list.
Have I missed the link to your high speed test? Our Visia only got charged once a week when we lived in NE Hants and I could do 76% of my 65 mile commute on battery drive in our Gx3h PHEV until we moved to North Shropshire.
I’d really like a link to something representative of my 127 mile motorway commute in looking for what will replace the 8 year old Outlander before long.
Here’s a running cost comparison for mostly motorway journey: Electric cars v Petrol and Diesel runnings cost difference demonstrated (Oct 2022 energy prices!)
czcams.com/video/L7GvqlH-KK0/video.html
Interesting, enjoyable video. Kindly let me point out a slight inaccuracy, namely the *104 mpg* figure, based on *110 p/lt* which is not a realistic average uk petrol price.
You stated that you have to average 104 mi/g in a SEAT petrol version, in order to equal the *same running cost* as the winner SEAT ev, namely (34 p/KWh)/(7.1 mi/KWh) = *4.79 p/mi*
Therefore, 104 mi/g (uk) --> (1/104) g/mi x 4.546 lt/g x *110 p/lt* = 4.79 p/mi
However, the *157 mpg* figure is preferable, because it is based on *165 p/lt* which is a more realistic average uk petrol price of the test period.
What do you think?
Thank you, a nice piece of work.
I do have one question. Is there any way to independently verify that what is being reported by the on-board computer in each vehicle is consistent with all the vehicles and reasonably accurate? For example, did all the vehicles tested report that they traveled the same distance for each loop within reason? If one vehicle reported covering a longer distance this would tend to indicate higher efficiency which may not be the case. When automotive journalists perform fuel efficiency tests on ICE vehicles, they typically don’t trust the on-board computer to report either the fuel consumption or the distance travelled. Additionally, tire pressures matter. With all the vehicles cold, the pressures should be set to the manufacturer’s recommendations.
The test really needs to be done with an external precision power analyser / energy meter and record the amount of energy used to recharge the battery. As this includes the charging looses there could be some difference in the results! ie start with 100% batteries, drive a fixed route so all cars travel same distance, then recharge monitoring how much energy th ebattery takes to get back to 100%. In reality, and in my experience, as with an ICE car, the biggest difference is driving style and average speed. yes in very cold conditions BEVs with cleverer HVAC systems (ie heat pump rather than resistive heater) can return significantly lower overall consumption but we are talking about a difference in single pence per mile....
A good video thanks
I have had nearly 50 mpg from when i had my diesel mercedes, doing a long ish trip in my model Y tomorrow and will see how efficient it is
37 in the diesel is pretty awful 😊, but the key point of the vid still stands when you see what mpg it would have needed to do. thanks!
Big up for the drivers, thanks for very entertaining video 👍
That is like a Jeremy Clarckson moment :D Oooh Rich won! Good video again!
Wow that’s amazing the best I get in my yorkshire eUP! is 5.1 miles/kWh & that’s staying below 60 mph & not using the HVAC & using B mode & eco+
I do own a Seat Mii in Spain. Really eficient !
Another great video Richard. When depreciation is by far the largest cost to a lot of owners I'm guessing the Seat wins again in real £ terms by being the smallest and cheapest?
We brought the Mii for £19995 this time last year, ex demo with 1000miles on it.
I'm interested to hear any comments on the effect on range of a load on the roof bars.. A Kayak in particular.
Good entertaining test, but I feel the heavier vehicles stand no chance against the vehicles with small batteries
Good review and interesting results, i wish you gave the weight of the cars before the start of the tests as it looks like the lighter cars won the efficiency test.
It costs to move mass!
Great video as always but surprised how poorly the MG4 did . .Not surprised how bad the Merc Diesel was. Mercs figures are 53-63mpg !!!!
Top 3 all originated as a conventional petrol car 😱😀
Hardly a real world test with everyone driving the EVs like my granny.
Can you do same video in the winter when the efficiency falls off a cliff ?
At the start you said the Cupra would be out first but it was the MG ? The SEAT is smaller and lighter so yes more efficient but the comparisons are like comparing an apple to a banana as the cars are different sizes, weights, ranges and interior space so the SEAT was always going to win as its the smallest and lightest. Were all the cars set for the best long range and efficiency as you never state this on your tests ? Like any car, EV or ICE you should pick the car that is right for your requirement and that's not just efficiency.
At long last I have a better idea of what is meant by mi/kwh. I know you had lots of cars to choose from (you couldn't run them all) I was wondering how the ever popular Peugeot e208 would perform?
Great to see you in a little Mii like ours Richard. Did you enjoy driving it?
One of the interesting things about these tests is that UK conditions are very, very different from the ones I have in NE Spain, and one of my wishes is to be able to test something like an economical diesel against one of these EVs.
I know from personal experience that steep inclines absolutely destroy the fuel consumption figures of even a modern diesel. Even so, using some serious efficiency techniques, I could still get about 50mpg from my Citroen Jumpy II (That's called a Dispatch in the UK) 120d. That used to take some serious effort, but what other ways are there to alleviate the boredom of driving? That included virtually zero city driving and the significant majority was on open, fairly twisty hills/mountains (my daughter's school was a 550m altitude difference).
But an EV has regenerative braking, so that would probably have quite an influence on consumption in these conditions. Unfortunately, until I can actually get my hands on an EV, I'm not going to know. I do know that a Leaf owner in the village is getting very good efficiency, but we'll see.
UK driving conditions are very congested. Even country roads are very busy and there are roundabouts everywhere. You know you have a problem when even the roundabouts have traffic lights!
@@wfdTamar Yeah, I know.
Actually, Spain also has traffic lights on roundabouts, but that is because road law here is absolutely idiotic, and there are also a lot of idiotic drivers as well.
As someone about to change from an Ioniq Electric classic 28kWh to an MG4 SE... 😩Looks like I'll be going from 5 to 6 miles/kWh down to 3 to 4 on the MG4. Still, she who must be obeyed likes the bright blue, even if it only does 10mpg! 😮
Just watched your other video, on costs, I'd like to see what petrol car with the same performance as the Tesla Model 3 performance would get anywhere near 30mpg let alone 40mpg. You could still use public chargers and be better off with the Tesla.
petrol cars with that power also costs double the price of the tesla
In the $70k range almost nothing accelerates like any Tesla performance model.
But the $15k down and S1150 per month payments over 5 years make this impossible for most.
Efficiency is the new performance yardstick.
No legitimate need or use for Tesla like acceleration in everyday driving.
Not everyone wants to buy souless poorly built performance car though.
And you wont be getting 30mpg when the cold weather kicks in.
And yes I've owned a M3P before you ask.
What's the hidden advantage of the Seat? Is it just a noticeably smaller battery and car, and therefore beating all with less mass, vs. superior aero or best of class tech? Or is the tiny form factor also contributing to less drag with smaller frontal area?
It’s jsut smaller and lighter. However doesn’t have the smaller battery. It has 38kwh! Ioniq 28kwh.
But Ioniq is a proper size family car. The Mii much smaller (but brilliant fun!)