How Did Honda Reliability go from FIRST to WORST?!
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- We're diving deep into the shocking decline of Honda's legendary reliability. Once the gold standard for dependable cars, Honda has faced a series of recalls and reliability issues that have left many wondering, "What happened?" From defective engines and fuel pumps to drivetrain failures, it's been a rough road for this once-reliable brand.
Here's a taste of what's in store:
250,000 Hondas recalled for defective engines! 🚗💥
2.6 MILLION vehicles recalled for faulty fuel pumps! ⛽🔧
Consumer Reports dropping Honda from top 3rd to 15th place in reliability rankings! 📉
We'll explore the root causes, from the shift to CVT transmissions to issues with their 1.5L turbo engines. Even their rock-solid 3.5L V6 isn't immune, with a massive recall due to manufacturing defects.
Join us as we dissect:
The history of Honda's reliability
The impact of CVT transmissions on their smaller cars and SUVs
Engine problems, including fuel dilution and carbon build-up
The flood of recalls affecting multiple models
Despite these challenges, we still believe Honda can bounce back and reclaim its throne. But until then, here's what you need to know to stay informed and keep your Honda running smoothly.
Have a Honda reliability or breakdown story? Share it in the comments below!
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What's Covered:
Honda’s Reliability Decline
CVT Transmission Issues
1.5L Turbo Engine Problems
3.5L V6 Engine Recall
Additional Recalls
Overall Quality Concerns
Final Thoughts & Recap
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Would you buy a Honda?!
I bought and sold within 4 months and switched to another brand. Hybrids from Honda are terrible
Honda Engineer Here. No I wouldn't. Hiring non high school educated people and paying them 95,000$ a year to put a "No Go" gauge sideways a few times an hour is a good indicator that their products are shit
@@lucysmith4242did You know that Mr Honda himself was self taught Non High school grad...I'm think the Engineers might be more the issue...
Absolutely, my tuned Accord 2.0t is still running strong.
I may buy an old one but new ones are so miserable overpriced junk
It used to be that turbos were only on performance models, driven by enthusiasts who cared to make sure their vehicle ran well. Now they're in regular cars where people don't care about the upkeep.
It’s all because of the government and EnviroTards who have made our lives hell. All the unrealistic fuel economy regulations being pushed on manufacturers is causing them to do whatever it takes to make fuel efficient engines at the cost of reliability.
I bought a new Integra and Manual Accord back in the day. I though Honda might slap a turbo on a car with its regular engine to make a cool performance version. I never thought they would replace the "big" 4 cyl they have been updating for 30 years with a little turbo motor.
@@mitchhedberg4415 true I owned a 2010 Accord EX with the K24 and 5 speed and my wife owned a 98 CL with the 2.3 F series engine and also a 5 speed manual. Those cars were pretty solid at 150K with just regular maintenance. Can't say the same about the tiny 1.5 Turbo vehicles they're selling today....
If you want to drive a Diesel and many of us Europeans (That is European, not necessarily EU) do. You need a turbo to have any real horsepower for a car sized engine. Hell, even all modern trucks use turbos on their engines.
Sorry, if you are getting gas (petrol) blow by on pistons, the turbo isn't the problem. The pressure comes from combustion, not a few pounds of boost.
*"Honda has a reputation for reliability"* It has made a goodly amount of clunkers too. Honda originally was a motorcycle company. Look up the 125S engine and the problems with the camshaft housing and oil feed.
The camshaft problems were revisited in a completely different manner with the VF V4 engines. Very possibly line boring in this case for those who are interested. The VF engine camshafts were a complete and utter dog. The sort of dog that destroys a company's reputation, if not quite destroying the company. Honda's response was the truly brilliant gear driven cam engine of the VFR. Generally the VFR750. Honda didn't spare the pennies on the new frame, both in design and engineering. The fact is, everything on that bike was as good as it could be. Very possibly losses were made to regain reputation.
A Japanese grey import RVF400 (All Japanese home market bikes are a quality level [or 2] higher) is about as close to perfection as you can get. Well, allowing for the fact that it isn't a 2-stroke, and 2-stroke bikes are always better!
i hate how manufacturers decided to put turbo in almost every vehicle now let’s be real, why does a jeep wrangler need a turbo why does a suv need a turbo? Why are average joes giving access to 300hp when they haven’t even pushed 200hp causing a huge increase of danger on the road
Small turbo engine and cvt, what can possibly go wrong?
Small turbo engines made from aluminium, even worst.
Type r engines suffer from the same problem, although not as agressive as the 1.5.
Don't forget Direct Injection as well...
I prefer cast iron cable throttled electronic port injected fuel rail mounted fuel pressure regulator turbo engines.
@@davidperry4013 Would probably be more reliable, haha
Anything else will seem unreliable if you’ve ever owned a civic from the 90’s
Exactly 😂😂 my honda could be redlined like hell and run like It never happened😂😂 older hondas built different 😂
Totally agree and some
2000’s Hondas, my manual 06 crv is so well built compared too anything new from Honda
Na, My 2010 Insight had 324 on it when i hit a deer. My current 2010 Prius has 290K.
I owned many of those old civic from the late 80s and 90s. They were good, but 200K was alot of miles back them. Its nothing now.
Ah yes the gentlemen agreement era. (the era were all JDM purposely over built engines to be tuned by the aftermarket to get the Japanese government off their back over street racing factory built cars while keeping their fans happy) That era is long gone now.
They'll certainly never be the company that made the Integra Type R or S2000 again.
I'm convinced that manufacturers have been trying to recoup losses during covid and have been cutting corners and jacking up prices to accomplish that ever since. Lotsa turbos, CVTs, infotainment screens and other bad ideas have also contributed. And its not only Honda; Toyota, Ford, ALL of Stellantis, Mercedes and others have all suffered QC issues lately. All I know is my 2000 Lexus GS400 with 210K, runs like new, and is built like a bank vault...will run forever. From a time when you got extra engineering when you paid extra $$.
Manufacturers in EVERY industry are using Covid as an excuse to recoup losses and then some. It seems like now they cant stop.
Agreed. Don't forget about the chip shortage that caused so much chaos. Auto companies are not the only ones, everybody is doing it, that's why people are feeling like nothing is affordable anymore.
You realize all the things you listed cost extra to build, source, engineer, and manufacture. A turbo engineer requires more engineering. If they wanted more profits they would sell the simpler cars like your Lexus and sell them at current prices. It's literally the government causing all this and the consumer.
Hell the lubrication is way more advanced (thanks to additional engineering and costs) to handle these extreme engines and conditions. All adding to costs.
They are going trough the same problem bmw faced late 2000s. Switching from n/a to forced induction is pretty hard when you’ve mastered the n/a engines for so long
As much as I hate Nissan. I have actually made their CVT easily last beyond 200k. The secret is to change the CVT Fluid, transmission filter, etc. every 25k miles.
I own an '04 Mazda 6 with almost 200k miles on it. I bought it used 5 years ago with 160k miles on it. First thing I did was change all the fluids (including transmission). I changed the transmission fluid again 5k miles later (my thinking was I didn't know how well it was maintained before, so changing it again would get rid of all the loose stuff stuck in there from the last one now that the fluid has been churned up a bit) and now the car runs like silk. Changing your transmission fluid at regular intervals does wonders for the operation of your vehicle, and it's a shame other people don't even think about it. I still change my oil every 3k miles on the dot, even though people say you can wait until 5k. I love my car too much to treat it like shit.
I work at a honda dealership. We get recalls on fuel pump, seatbelt, steering rack, rear camera, touchscreen radio, and some emissions recall to this day. We get tens of customers with recalls.
I work in rental cars it is everyone for everything just when they finish a campaign they announce another one sometimes for the same thing on the same car as the fix didn't fix anything.
To be fair, Honda CVTs are more reliable than most other CVTs. In Honda’s bigger vehicles, their 10ATs are reliable unlike the older 9ATs and 6ATs. As for engines, the L15 turbo is a bad apple in Honda’s engines, whereas Honda’s other new engines like 2.0s, 3.5s, and hybrids are reliable by design. The 3.5 recalls were caused by manufacturing, not design. The fuel pump recall involves DENSO fuel pumps, which DENSO was actually owned by Toyota.
This! And yes the L15 is being phased out so it will only improve things.
What can you tell me about the VCM issues on J series engines? That's not a manufacturing flaw, but more of a design fault.
@@theholt2ic219 that's simply not true. Honda is not developing any new gas engines right now and they need the L15 to meet CAFE standards.
@@engineer_alv VCM was an issue on older engines, but the newer engines have addressed that issue, so they do not have VCM issues like the older engines. The manufacturing flaw I was referring to was the rod bearing issue.
@@engineer_alv you will not find the L15 on the 2025 Civic unless you get the Si because it has been replaced by a hybrid powertrain, which is much more reliable and better meets the CAFE standards.
2022 civic si 18k miles... Oil dilution was so bad i had to sell it.
Post 2018 build quality across the board has been bad.
Post 2019 as my Si was great but I sold and switched to Miata
This is why Honda has dumped the turbo engines and went Hybrid power-train for 2025 and onward.
@@timothylee2772I enjoy the hybrid idea, I think it’s a mix of power with fuel economy while still being reliable. Sure, the batteries will go out, but that’ll take like 10-20 years (hopefully), and as more hybrids are produced, it won’t cost too much to replace them
@@go_dawgs_8290In the long run, do you think it's worth buying a hybrid car? Sure you save money on gas every year, but the battery last 10 years max depending how much you drive and how well you maintain your car. Some people have to replace them after just 5 years.
@@timothylee2772 Hybrids on Honda with those ecvt sucks. No proper response or acceleration and feels like an old Prius
Current honda Tech here we have all these recalls in our shop Currently, and this is talk among out techs that quality control has really slipped. I have had old honda products, 3rd Gen integra, and 1st Gen crv that have been reliable at 100,000 +miles, but yeah, they're not built like they used to,the found of the company would be very disappointed in his company now
I have a 2006 Honda Accord V6 Sedan. It has 200k miles. It was in a wreck (totaled out) and I replaced fender and bumper myself, so no damage anymore, no damage to the frame. I did the rear wheel hub bearing assembly. The brakes as well. The problems left are the AC motor mode motor and the valve covers are leaking. I got the mode motor out and tried to clean the grease out but cant get it back in with my hand. The valve cover gasket I was going to do but does it need valve adjustments really? The other thing is the transmission needs to be drained and refill since it was at 90k miles. I know the transmission had filters in it, what about those? Yes I did the timing belt not long ago at Honda.
Finally I have, bought new 2020 Honda Civic LX in 2020 but it only has 32k on it. What stuff millage and age wise do I need to do? Coolant flush and the CVT fluid change? What about AC issues I have been hearing about and I got that letter from Honda.
my honda dealer said my 95 Civic is the most reliable and should last a lifetime. currently she has 211K miles.
I recall a few sources claiming those are, or at least were, capable of up to 50mpg highway; is this the case?
@@alexwalker8422 maybe but today in order to keep up with modern cars speeds I have to rev it pretty high just to keep up.
Spend what ever you can to keep that car on the road, it will definitely last you a life time! You might have to rebuild the engine, but not for another million miles.
@@COSMACELF1802will last a lifetime if you’re ever in a big crash as you won’t survive a major crash in a car with that little old safety 💀💀
@@GTFour Yeah, those small Honda's can be converted to a casket.
I blame greed and technology. But I'll still buy a Honda over Nissan, Hyundai, KIA, Ford, Dodge, Chrysler, Chevrolet and Mazda. Honda and Toyota only.
Nissan is alright as long as you don’t get a cvt, Mazda and Ford is decent too. Chevy has some issues but cheap to fix but Hyundai, Kia dodge and Chrysler are dirt.
@@256jayy3 Hyundai and Kia are great. Unless they are built in the US. You will get an incredibly reliable car if you find a Hyundai or Kia that is not built in the USA but built in Korea
Do you know new Mazda are as good as Toyota?
I don't know everybody hates on nissan... Granted their c v t's are pretty lame. they were also the first car company pushing them ..And I see everyone else's followed suit. I've had a bunch of nissan over the years and I would put them up against honda or toyota anyday... granted they were all manuals
I'd never buy a Honda or a Toyota.
This is not the only problem in auto industry. The problem is causing from the world leaders, the global emissions, the political, the climate change, the EPA, the local government, the education and the EV development costs . All of these causes all of the cut costs, cut development, cut quality, cut value , cut reliability, cut customer support and cut labor. Finally, we got a dream of problems EV!
Forcing manufacturers to build cars that save a few drops of fuel at the huge expense of durability and reliability.
Thank god everything costs 25x what it used to as well...
Climate change is a real problem and if manufacturers can't make efficient and reliable vehicles without polluting like mad then they suck at manufacturing.
Right on point! Nice summary of the situation.🤔
@@leonardrice2830 No, literally comically dumb nonsense...
I love my 2017 honda civic si w/6 speed manual, I've had it for around 5 years now with no issues.
I disagree with some things and agree with others.
Consumer reports ratings have already been improving if you looked at recent years.
2021: 5th place.
2022: 5th place.
2023: 4th place.
Also, Honda hasn’t had issues with their CVTs, they’ve been using them since early 2010s.
People just like to lump all traditional CVTs as unreliable because of Nissan.
The 1.5 Turbo is terrible and probably Honda’s worst engine. Looks like they’re phasing it out for the hybrid system. You can’t get the 1.5 Turbo in the 2025 Civic anymore. New Civic is only 2.0 NA hybrid and 2.0 NA.
They’ll most likely make the CR-V hybrid only in the mid cycle refresh. Their new battery plant is going online next year and you’ll see them offer/produce more hybrids.
A hybrid HR-V is coming in too.
Their paint quality is terrible though.
Nissan, Subaru and Toyota all have had major problems with their CVTs. I think it's okay to group *MOST* CVTs together when saying they're unreliable. Additionally Honda's CVTs have absolutely had issues, just not at the rates their competitors have had and no recalls issued about them. Doesn't mean it's not happening. Honda's paint quality is absolutely dogshit though. Never understood how that wasn't a lawsuit/recall.
@@Caffeinated-DaVinci Can you provide some sources on how Toyota and Honda traditional CVTs had major issues/higher than average failure rates?
I’m interested in reading about it.
@Caffeinated-DaVinci the majority of the issues with Honda CVTs are experienced under 3 circumstances. Neglected maintenance, modded/abused cars, and 1st generation HR-Vs. They're actually decent otherwise
You must be a salesperson for Honda 😢
All CVT transmissions SUCK, SUCK, SUCK! People: don’t buy any car with a CVT & the manufacturers will stop making them. What’s the next problem we can solve? lol 😂
I wouldn't buy any vehicle made in 2024.
Too much fragile technology.
Fragile and rushed the worst combo 😂
And plastic
Bought a 2025 Camry. Solid 2.5 L naturally aspirated engine with the eCVT. I have this same setup on our Rav 4 Prime 2021. They both are tanks.
Saab proved a long time ago that 4 cylinder turbo engines can run forever, even at relatively high compression. I just passed 200K on my 2002 Saab 9-3 Viggen which runs great and doesn't burn oil at all. There are thousands of Saabs still running with that 2.3 L engine which makes up to 230 hp.
Saab and Volvos are so underrated imo
New engines are aluminium, vs old ones were made from steel, that's another diference.
I also own a Saab and I can't say the same about mine
@@azzahere191 Some were not made as well and some were abused or weren't maintained properly. There's definitely luck involved.
You can make a 2.3L engine making 200ish horsepower a lot more reliable than trying to squeeze the same power out of a 1.5L or smaller.
Honda reliability now is just a stereotype
Not just Honda, those new Tundra motors are blowing up left and right. Your best bet is to purchase an older Honda or Toyota. They built cars back when reliable was the most important factor of building cars. Now it’s about money, dam the reliability.
My 2015 Toyota Camry and my friends 2021 Camry are built like tanks.
My last Honda was a ‘17 Civic EX hatchback. Absolute garbage, no dealer support. Won’t be back.
That last good model was the 2013 without a CVT transmission.
How? I tell you how.... Being cheap 😂 Massive profits. I have a 2020 honda and not even the door panels align properly 🎉
Lmao just saw a 2015ish civic getting hauled on a flatbed today with a smoking engine bay and here's this video lol the irony
I own a 2019 civic Si. I love the car now, but I went through blowing up a motor at two 260 horsepower, going thirty miles an hour, not even boosting. Honda's just aren't the tuner car platforms that they used to be. There's still good economy cars, but if you want a good project car, you have go straight for the top.
I have a 23 Civic Sport, 14k miles. It hasn’t started 6 times throughout my ownership and now has a slipping CVT transmission. Honda can’t find any issues with it and claim it’s perfectly normal. That about sums up my Honda experience and many others’ experience recently
Their quality has been going down ever since.
We had an 18 Civic SI that developed a SEVERE dilution problem at 77k (I check my oil frequently). It was my DD, never abused, never modified, early oil and filter changes ever 5k, and Honda America said they wouldn't help us unless it was stalling or throwing engine codes. That sucked because I really like the SI otherwise....
The issue is that these cars are larger and heavier. The engines are smaller and have more power, higher revs, and more heat. And its a complicated power train.
Make these cars weigh 2200 lbs with 2.4L naturally aspirated engines and you'll have a solid car. Look at what makes a Camry great...
I knew someone with a honda accord 2017 and it started eating oil at 45k miles. Think they got a 2019 altima after that and it has 100 something thousand miles. They do change the fluid every 30k miles drain and fill.
I got a 2021 sentra and 2024 frontier. Both pretty nice, sentra has 50k miles rn no problems.
They improved, just recently got a 2023 pathfinder. Very smooth suv and love the VQ.
My 2020 accord needed another head gasket and fuel pump at 25,000 miles! 😡 A $7,500 cost! 😡
How does a head gasket repair cost anywhere close to that?!
@@HifeMan Honda steallership robbed me
Oh shit.
Wouldn’t those things be under warranty?? Why did they make you pay 7500
@@davewilson7602 yeah but everyone and they mama be saying honda the best brand. Like WTF? My 95 Ford still has its original head gasket and it got 410,000 miles. Yall got me F'd up 😡. Honda now make junk!
My 2009 Accord lx has given quite a few surprises from the 80k miles mark. Things are wearing out that even Fords would not do before 100k miles.
I have a 2006 Accord V6 Coupe that I drove and then gave to my son. Only car I ever owned that did not require a single repair outside of regular maintenance. That being said, I would not buy a 2018-2012 turbo Honda. Too many recalls. Too much risk that previous owners didn't properly care for their turbos.
Concur. I've driven since 1977, owned 10 or 12 cars and trucks, and seen the cycles where the automakers dote on turbo engines every 10 years or so. They advertise their "new" turbo engines, claim some performance improvements and offer the car at a premium. Doesn't take longer than two model years until the engines start blowing up en masse' from owners abusing it or failing to maintain it. Turbo engine quietly disappears in favor of old normally aspirated engines for several years until the last turbo engine debacle is forgotten, then the whole thing repeats again.
I've known 3 friends with accords. I remember they lose oil quick. 1 friend had to replace the engine before 80k miles. The other 2 i pulled out the dipstick and it was dry.
honda has become just another shitty ford
In 2004 I bought a new fully optioned Civic VI hatch MY04....even had built in full-on infotainment including Sat/Nav, (a real rarity in 2004) I sold it 14 years later with 310,000 kms on the clock. Replaced brake pads, tyres, timing belts and a battery but, the only thing that actually broke in that times was.....one headlight globe!! I sold it in 2018 and 17 months later the guy who bought it from me sent an email saying it had clocked up 400,000Kms and it was still running just like new! On selling it I replaced it with a 2014 Civic Hatch VTI-LN, once again fully optioned. That has now done 200,000 Kms, doesn't use any oil between regular services and nothing has broken down on it. I agree the transmission is not well suited to the 1.8 Lt motor but the paddle shifters make it a pleasure to drive. For me there is no other vehicle I would consider in my life than a Honda and it saddens me to watch this video.
For the people with issues on 1.5 l turbo engine, and cvt trans honda. Dont drive yours car like a race car, change oils 3 k miles, keep all the maintenance up today, and you will be fine.
3k mile oil change is utterly ridiculous
That's a lot of money wasted on purely oil changes lmao. Every 5k is fine like everyone says. I guess you could change it every 3k, but there's probably zero difference from changing it every 5k.
There is a Honda Accord 1.5t , cvt transmission with 300k miles on it, not sure how he got that high mileage, but Honda is really good at making car, but if you want yours car last longer, I would say u have to change yours engine oil 3 to 5 k miles, and cvt transmission 10k to 15 k miles.
@@xgen2.0t84 3k is still a waste of money. Every 5k works. Unless you got money to burn, I don't.
@@GTFour No, it makes engines last. Even some modern engines.
at the time honda was more focused on reliability and efficiency. but today’s demand is for convenience and fun.
heres the result for now.
1991 Civic owner here. Never gonna sell my car. Modern Honda has totally LOST its way. SMH
I'd love to buy an old 90's Honda, those were the best years, but they are impossible to find in Canada, all full of rust.
My first encounter with Honda quality was with an Acura TL. The wind shield wipers broke and the rear view mirror leaked an acid that burned a hole in the console. Both at about 40,000 miles, but out of warranty. The transmission had to be replaced at 60,000 miles. My second encounter with Honda was my Pilot Touring AWD. All the trouble lights activated at 50,000 miles. After researching, I coincidentally found out that that the rear differential fluid was supposed to be changed at 5,000 miles. Also, the transmission fluid must be changed every 30,000 miles. The parts alone for these fluid changes is over $400 and labor another $400. So, I do it myself. Honda does not specify what maintenance is required; they want to force you to rely on the dealer for all maintenance (X oil change).
The auto stop-start system would leave us stranded at an intersection. So, we have to disable it every time the car is started.
Back to the check engine, check LKAS, check ABS, etc. lights all coming on was because of fuel system failure, which had to be replaced. I also had to clean the ground bar in the main fuses, or the lights would all activate. The auto lock system failed and had to be replaced. We had a cracked windshield that could only be replaced with an OEM Honda windshield and it took over an hour of driving to recalibrate the LKAS system ($1,500).
Luckily my other cars are Toyotas (Japan) and a Mercedes (Germany). All these cars are totally reliable compared to the Honda and Acura. The Acura, I have to say, was a pleasure to drive and had less problems than the Pilot(made in Alabama).
Wasn’t aware. Pretty surprising. I’ve had 3, and sold all 3 after one to many problems with all of them but never thought of them as bad cars, but I didn’t like working on them - everything was too tightly cramped.
I bought a pre-owned Honda Civic 2016 LX last year. It was Honda certified and bought from Honda dealership. With 100k miles. Since last one year the AC has kept breaking down again and again. Dealership has replaced Compressor, two condensers and lots of AC pipes. Still regret my decision buying it.
It’s a known problem for the 10th gen civic. Mine went out the second summer I owned a brand new SI. The cool thing is that the car depreciated only $5,000 when I traded it in 5 years after purchase.
My 2007 Nissan Altima 2.5 with 160,000 miles and questionable transmission has less severe problems than my wife 2021 Honda CRV!
Honda quality is going down to toilet!
Have an '07 Accord SE. About 145,000 miles, no major problems whatsoever (knock on wood). Well maintained, nobody believes it's 17 years old. Hope I get to 300,00 but I may die before it does LOL. Wait, that's not funny.....
It’s not only worse and also twice more expensive
Honda still makes reliable engines. It’s just the CVTs that suck. I have a 08 Honda City. Engine still runs great. It has about 145K milage on it. But man the CVT leaves a lot to be desired. Been dealing with this shuddering issue for a long time despite keeping up with the maintenance schedule. God i wish manufacturers go back to using the good old automatic transmission
If you want good old automatic transmission then get a Mazda.
Sadly, you kind of need a transmission to make a car useful... unless you just like sitting in your driveway revving your engine (not a bad plan). I really wish they would stick to manual transmissions. I would never buy automatic Honda, but a manual Honda is definitely something worth while... if the price is right.
I wouldn’t buy any with a CVT transmission. I do need some advice on a 5th gen Prelude with automatic transmission though. What was up with those transmissions and would you recommend I get one?
My 2013 civic never gave me any major issues. It was all just really annoying stuff like weak rotors, weak AC, hard to keep straight at highway speeds, and tpms warnings that never went away. My Corolla Hatchback 6MT hasn't had any annoying issues. It drives as well as day one 4 years in. 😌
I have a 10th gen SI I know of the gas issue. I smell it too and that’s why I change it at 3k miles. Tuned and modded. It’s a fun car
I love the 8th gen Civic SI. High redline 2 liter NA engines are definitely more reliable than 1.5 turbos and are a lot of fun. They also sound better than many V6 engines.
I’ve had my 2018 Honda Civic since 12 miles and it’s coming up on about 127,000, the only thing in this sucker that has randomly broken is the windshield wiper fluid pump, which thankfully was reasonably replace, but then broke shortly after. From what I understand I do have a recall. I need to get checked out for the fuel pump, but I heard that the turbo Honda Civic had oil delusion issues that caused a lot of problems.
The best thing for the planed is to incetive keep older cars in optimal condition, with reliable 4 cyl engines and lower speed limits again, i dont get how some street cars reach 400hp , there is no need for that in the streets
More like 700-1025 hp.
I love Honda, even when they don't make the best looking cars. I believe in their reliability and fun driving experience, have they forgotten their heritage and reputation? I'm shocked to see that Honda would allow poor products to leave their assembly lines. Honda what are you doing?
trust me, the thumbnail is actually also better than New Hondas, and I was a big Honda hardcore following guy.
The question is: Where are the components being made?
I live in Canada, and they have been made in Alliston, Ontario for over 35 years. I always thought that the location of assembly has an impact on the quality control of any car. So even though Honda has slipped in their quality, I still believe the Canadians do a better job.
I'm not a fan of modern vehicles. I'll keep my 2017 370Z until the wheels fall off. It's made the way a car should be: naturally aspirated, manual, and port injected. It may not be fast by modern standards, but you will never have to worry about engine or transmission reliability.
I guess I'll keep driving my '06 TL a little longer.
V6, no turbo, no GDI ... six-speed manual ... fun to drive.
This is all internet/youtuber exaggeration and hyperbole. All manufacturers have had issues and recalls for a long time. There are always a few lemons, but these youtuber take some anecdotal evidence and rumors and overblow everything. My parents have had two Hondas with cvts for years and had zero issues. I had an 2014 Accord with the cvt for over 150k miles also no issues. My brother has a 2021 civic 1.5t touring with a ton of miles with no oil dilution or any other supposed typical engine problem. People watch these types of videos and parrot all this as if they themselves experienced these issues, even without having said Honda products with the supposed widespread issues.
I had a 2016 2.0 manual civic and it was also a piece of shit fwiw
Yet Honda and Toyota fanboys like to parrot the same bs that every other manufacturer is unreliable even though most of them have improved including BMW ffs lol
I get that you guys like to live in the past but it is no longer the 90s anymore lmao
That's your opinion as a FANBOY. What's not an opinion, are FACTS. Don't downplay facts when the people who suffered from these common failures were left to pay the repair because Honda / Acura corporate keep playing the "I've never heard of this issue" game.
You can't say this video is wrong just because your experiences don't match. The facts this video is based on don't affect every Honda. ie. your mileage may vary
I hear people who don't do their research snub their nose at Hyundais, saying they all blow up and that Honda is soooo good, bc of their ethos. I bought a new Hyundai Elantra N in 2023 for the price of a Civic SI after learning how good the car is and seeing how much better Hyundai has gotten over the last 5 years. Honda got fat and lazy and Hyundai hit a home run with the N brand and the Elantra models but people who don't think for themselves have not heard that enough from the people they get their opinions from yet. That means stealerships mark-up Hondas and Hyundais sell for MSRP and I am so glad, otherwise I might own a Civic SI and be getting gapped by Golf GTI and Dodge chargers instead of gapping them in my 320 whp tuned CN7. Why would Honda mess up the MT gearbox that they are famous for? They were great! Have fun with the CVT ATV-type transmission. The CN7 comes with an amazing DCT or the standard 6-speed manual that I bought! BTW, the turbo engine can last if maintained and cared for. The DI gets dirty, but water-methanol injection done right cools intakes and acts as a detergent for the engine and injectors. Turbos get starved for oil or bake when people just park and turn them off without letting them cool and cycle oil for a minute or two. I let my CN7 cool until the oil temp is under 200 degrees, then turn it off.
I find it hilarious that my first car which was a hyundai elantra outlasted my moms CRV equipped with the K24Z3 engine known for failing piston rings. My elantra which was a HYUNDAI burnt zero oil. Hers? Every second fill up you had to add oil and it started knocking bad.
Don’t scare me guys, I bought my FL5 Type R the same time you guys posted this😂😂
I bought my 2020 Accord 2.0T last year w/41K on the clock and have changed the oil every 3K. Found out a chick owned it previously so almost certain it wasn't broken in properly
While Toyota is the hybrid king, Honda has spread itself thin with way too many models and drive trains that nobody asked for. Still, if you’d like to see motor nirvana, just pop open a civic hood and admire! Thanks for sharing.
Don't they have mitsubishi turbo's?!
@@IdealCarsOfficial BRO spreading misinformation everywhere, Donut media way better!
They are trying to compete more with Toyota and Toyota's huge line up of products. Toyota's don't change much, they are winning slow and steady.
Bought my 2018 Civic Hatchback, LX, 6 speed, 1.5 turbo, brand new in Nov of 2017. Just turned over 100k miles last week, no major problems except A/C work under warranty a few years back. The engine runs great, I get 40 mpg on the highway, and some You Tube guy has 700,000 miles of his 2016 Civic 1.5 turbo, so it's not too bad. I did get a recall notice on my fuel pump but haven't had any problems yet so haven't replaced fuel pump. I think it's a great car ..... and tons of room too! And I also have a Honda dirt bike, a Honda lawnmower, and a Honda generator - all work great. Cheers!
the older ones did have some rust issues but reliability was their strong suit
To see Honda below Nissan boggled my mind. I thought Nissan was bottom of the barrel. I should know from owning one and it needs another transmission. I can't imagine the way Honda had to screw up to do worse than Nissan's Versa and B17 Sentra.
Down hill in many respects! Sad - for Honda. It would be a great effort to restore its former glory! In the meantime, I will stay with Toyota, either Camry hybrid or Corolla hybrid - even with the CVT.
"Oil is cheap; engines are not." That says it all. With a turbo, 5K miles for average driving, 3K for typical urban driving, maybe stretch to 7500 if mostly open road cruising. Skip the 10K recommendation.
I had a 90 civic with the garbage automatic transmission. It was my pizza delivery car. At one point I lost reverse so whenever I pulled into a driveway I made sure it was a hill so I could just coast back down in neutral. That 1.5 liter engine was gutless but was the least of my concerns.
They were made in Japan until 1991.
I love the 2.0L in my 2019 Civic because it gets great gas mileage, but I'm not real sure how long the CVT will last. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for now.
Bro called out my 2018 1.5t accord in every way, great👍🏼 !!!
I had a 22 civic si loved it but passenger window was going down slow and noticed it so I waited for my first oil change to bring it up also noticed the logo moving inward and all they did was spray silicone and then sent the car out with the trim damaged noticed it brought it in the next day and they had to order $500 worth of parts to replace it. Then at 13k I was parked up a hill and when I turned the car off the steering wheel turned with my hands on it with a good amount of force and my steering wheel was off ever since. A few months down the road and guess what the steering starts getting sticky 😂. The funny part is was watching a video on a 22 civic si and the steering getting stuck and it happened to me when I was turning I ended up trading it in unfortunately
I have a 2020 and heard the new model was coming out in 2022, so I bought the current model thinking they got all the bug out of it. Honda has gone down in quality. The Toyota is the best now overall. My next car is the base model Corolla. Its about $4k cheaper than the new Civic base model.
Last year I bought a 2016 Odyssey because the 2018 and up have the Earth Dreams/9 or 10 speed trans. I've heard too many bad experiences with them at low mileage. The generation I bought is bad enough. A few years ago, a friend of mine had a 2015 Crv that the electronic steering messed up. It was a nightmare just moving it to where it could be pulled onto a rollback. At the time, the car wasn't that old. Meanwhile, I still daily drive a 1999 CRV with 397,000 miles on it.
Bought a 2020 civic sport with the 2.0L non turbo engine but with cvt.
Bought at 34k, now at 88k with only a couple cv joint replacements and standard maintenance
What about the Non turbo engine in the 2017- 2018 Civics? Any common issues?
I’m gonna be real honest with my thoughts on Honda as I’ve now owned 2 civics back to back and both have them have been horrible. I’ll start with my 2017 civic si 1.5T 6MT. 106k miles and it started knocking. Car was basically stock as it was just a nice little turbo coupe. I had a new clutch installed, short throw shifter because the stock plastic one broke, and I had upgraded shifter cable bushings. I was doing oil changes ever 3k miles because of the oil dilution problems. It unfortunately wasn’t enough and the bottom end went. The newest civic I own is a 2024 civic sport sedan. 2.0L CVT. Currently at 2500 miles and the car is sitting at the dealership because the ECU decided to fry itself leaving me stranded. Since around the 900-1000 mile range it started having weird electrical gremlins. I’d lose power to radio, gauge cluster, key fobs failing to detect, along with car just randomly deciding that it didn’t want to start after shutting off to run in a store or fill up the tank. My CVT also decided it was going to let go and I essentially lost reverse. I’m also unfortunately in the list of people who’s civic has the steering rack recall. Mine was made at the tail end of the line that had the issues. The steering rack was told to me to be 6+ months out on back order and to just drive as carefully as I can. After all this I don’t think I’ll ever buy a Honda again. I’ll stick to my Toyotas and Lexus as so far I’ve not been let down by one. I won’t say my situation is a reason to stay away from Honda. I will always love the Hondas of old. But I can say to every please be careful and to those with newer ones. I wish you all the best and hopes they stay running good. Much love to everyone out there.
I like the Honda Element for having 'character'. The rest of them seem rather looking like other sedans or SUVs.
I own 3 honda's from this era - 2016 accord, 2019 Oddessy and 2023 CRV. None of which have had any issues at all. 2 of them are over 100k miles and aside from a few recalls (Which have been quick and easy) I have never had a check engine or a breakdown ever. In fact, I'd argue the 2016 accord's cvt has been nothing but bullet prof. Hell, it survived 2 teenagers. It shocks me too see everyone having all these issues
Count yourself LUCKY.
This is all internet/youtuber exaggeration and hyperbole. All manufacturers have had issues and recalls for a long time. There are always a few lemons, but these youtuber take some anecdotal evidence and rumors and overblow everything. My parents have had two Hondas with cvts for years and had zero issues. I had an 2014 Accord with the cvt for over 150k miles also no issues. My brother has a 2021 civic 1.5t touring with a ton of miles with no oil dilution or any other supposed typical engine problem. People watch these types of videos and parrot all this as if they themselves experienced these issues, even without having said Honda products with the supposed widespread issues.
People like to lump all traditional CVTs as unreliable just because of Nissan.
They’ve been using CVTs since the 9th generation Civic with no major issues.
I have a 2016 Civic with 110k miles on it but I did have the air conditioning failure which they replaced under the extended warranty. The other issue I have with mine is peeling paint, not the clear coat but the whole thing is peeling near the rear window.
They’re likely not maintaining their cars
I also have a 16 Accord but a Touring V6. The only issue I’ve experienced is with the CarPlay, which freezes from time to time. Not lost on me is that this generation was never developed with CarPlay in mind.
Aside from that, it’s been a great car and now used by my own teenager.
Honda (The Company) has had a problem since all the way back to the Acura Legend, where IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!!! And they've been slowly spiraling down hill since. And I've own 4 from the earlier years. I seriously doubt they will ever wake up and Toyota continues to eat there lunch ..... Even though I'm not happy with the way they are going putting damn 4cycl in every! 🙄
My honda crv from 1999 has over 200k miles and still giong strong; while my father's 2016 pilot with 60k miles left him stranded and he had to borrow a family member's 2007 chevy suburban to complete the trip. Honda used to be amazing and they really need to get it back on track
My 2011 Corolla axio is cvt. Haven't had to do anything to it except change the fluid. Got 190000+ km
Yea I have 2 acuras , 2021 rdx and 2020 MDX and both have recall.. I will have the rod /engine tested next week under recall. My ‘90 accord went 215k miles.. replace oil , and repeat. Changed belt at 100k miles. Perhaps I am just reminiscing now…
Just avoid turbo & CVT. Wait a minute! Is Honda discontinuing the port-injected 2.0NA engine & even its manual transmission option?
Am I the lucky one? Had my CRV for 5 years, not a single problem with either the Turbo engine or CVT. Runs like a top and has been a great car. I'm so glad I bought it.
@@NatureBoy12100 I'm still driving my 1990 manual Mazda Protege with naturally aspirated 1.8 DOHC today -- brimming with “steering feel” from the hydraulic power assist, while enjoying the excitement of its standard “wild oversteer” set up.
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2004 tsx 6 speed 315k miles. I beat the piss out of it. Never skips a beat
I stick to Toyota and Subaru roots. CVT still running strong in the Scion FR-S for 9 years.
Had an '89 Civic hatchback. Drove it like it was stolen. It lasted 18-1/2 years until rust ended it.
I still have a 2002 Acura RSX. Best car I've ever owned.
Our 2013 Honda Civic is the best small car we have ever owned. Very reliable. Love it.
I fit the "Honda Addict" model... Lots of Honda cars, motorcycles, mowers, Pioneer 500 ATV; Acura MDX's, TLX. Horrible 2011 MDX 3.7L oil consumption experience. Lived thru the very confusing major 2017 TLX 3.5L crankshaft journal campaign (emailed Honda CEO, no reply). Honda has made a critical strategic error in allowing quality to not only slump, but much worse, continuation over the last ten years. What they have forgotten: the lifetime value of a loyal Honda buyer including marketplace influence (like me), is six to seven figures. Therefor, a "Zero defects" policy is worth any level of cost. Honda used to believe this. No longer. Next vehicle: likely a Toyota (have also owned Toyota's, put 260k on a 1991 Previa w/zero issues).
I’ve got a ‘24 civic hatch with a 6speed and a K20. She’ll be fine.
We have a 2014 honda it have done around 190,000Km the only big maintainence we did is a gearoil change
There's a guy down the street who has a very Nice Civic Type R.. Very nice looking car for sure.. I think it's the 2.0L turbo which is better than what they have been putting in their other cars... But for me it had to be a Mustang GT.. I am loving my Gen 2 S550, what a great car... I never understood why people pick 4 cylinder turbo's over V8's.. Like why would anyone ever pay 45K for a Type R when they can get a 2024 GT with a 10 speed for the same price, SMH I'll never understand that one..
Clicked on this thinking it was donut media but enjoyed it eitherway
2018 Honda Accord LX with 35.000 miles owned it for 2 year and after 15 thousand miles it failed on me leaving me stranded 2 times, replaced injectors 2 times, spark plugs 2 times, all oil changes done before 5k, computer failed, fuel pump, and others, yeah, sticking with Toyota like I should had.
Honda was my first vehicle. Transmission sucked.. but I always knew if you get it with a manual it’s solid all around.. after I learned to drive manual I wouldn’t go back to Honda anyways since they don’t make an affordable ICE RWD sport car or truck. Cause I love the NSX but it being hybrid is not good for longevity
Overall reliability = Toyota >>> Honda. But Manual Honda >>> Toyota.
What's sad this seems to be across the board with all automakers since 2012
Would a 2024 Civic si be a bad car to buy then? It has the 1.5t with all the issues, have they been fixed?
i have a 2022 civic Si no issues ktuned tsp1 and intake..
I knew when they went into forced induction things were gunna be dicey until they really get there engineering right
6:05 I feel not only the turbo 1.5L & V6, but the NA 2.4L is burning oil as well. We have a 2017 Accord Sport, and I haven’t seen any oil leaks/stains, but have to add oil before 5,000 mile oil changes.
2017 Si coupe owner since 6 miles on the odometer. Only complaint I have after 110xxx miles is the AC needing replacement at 100k. But I was luckier than most. If it last til 200k and the AC is still going I’ll be happy.
All ive ever owned all my life are hondas 90 accord 92 accord 09 crv and now a 21 civic never had any major issues with any of them lol lots of people just dont take care of their cars