Spiritual Narcissism: How To Help Hippies With A God Complex? - Inner Work Library [91/500]
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- Sorry, You Are Not God... Ego Inflation and Spiritual Grandiosity, also known as Archetypal Inflation, The God Complex or Psychological Inflation, are getting way out of hand - this video confronts these triggering topics with a few practical suggestions for spiritual practitioners.
This episode of Inner Work Q&A explores the subtle psychology of inflation, grandiosity and archetypal posession. We'll be looking at methods to help you heal the unconscious self-inflation and narcissistic wounds which keep you trapped in repetitive delusions - unable to discern when to ground yourself and be more human.
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00:00 Are You Powerful... or Narcissistic?
01:18 Why You Are Not God
05:44 Read This Book (Esoteric Psychology)
07:11 What Is Spiritual Inflation?
11:07 New Age Religion & Western Culture (Favourite Book)
11:56 Spiritual Capitalism & Fake Spirituality
13:40 Very Short History Of New Age Philosophy
18:50 Childhood Trauma & Inferiority Complex
21:30 Love Your Soul & Know Your Place
23:34 What About The Bible & The Quran?
26:06 Service & Humility
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You are not the Supreme Being but you are Divine in your Core. Yet, the identification with one's Divine Self cannot be properly attained until after decades of inner work. The shadow, complexes, and repressed contents must be healed before the Divine Self will emerge from the Center of your Being. You will know when this happens as you will fill with bliss and Light. There is no mistaking final liberation. Instead of having a subtle body filled with garbage shadow energy, your subtle vehicle will be full of bliss, love, and Light and your consciousness will be vastly expanded. With that said, you bring up a good and important point. That is, many people read self help books and then begin identifying as the Divine Self, when they haven't even done shadow work or come close to actualizing the Self. Even at the heights of Transpersonal Integration, one is a Divine Human Soul and is but one of trillions of cells in the body of G-d.
High level comment, as always / thank you my friend 🌲
Transparent Integration.... Very well put. Thank you.
I love that you’re diving into this because not many people can hold space to explore big concepts and ideas without falling into fanaticism, and it makes my nerdy heart happy.
You’re very much tapped into my current contemplations again: If inverted world systems are contingent upon us being traumatized beyond the womb, narcissistic family patterning is just a fractal of the collective abuse which ensures socially acceptable success/material wealth, is created via the wounding and exploitation of children, both literal and inner. On that basis, spiritual narcissism feels like a natural by-product of trying to heal what feels inherently discordant within a twisted system that is built on a foundation of two truths and a lie.
Matthew 18:3 - And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. To me, this hints at the innocence (love) we are intended to be born into, before the world imprints us with lack programming (fear). All of which starts first within the family system (epigenetically and environmentally), but also exists as a reflection of the inverted and abusive collective system. One reinforces the other in the ultimate feedback loop. Deconditioning = ultimate liberation, which is why I feel the next “great revolution” will be fought silently and within.
Sharing this to my story, excellent contribution. Thank you.
I hadn't thought about it like that before.
"There's a lot of great content here, particularly addressing the concept of spiritual ego and the New Age movement in our modern era. It highlights the connection to the divineness of life and self, but it also points out the absence of connection to the shadow and inner work - the process of confronting our own flaws and biases. It's a reminder that dealing with our personal shortcomings is essential.
However, I'm unsure about the extent to which this disconnect applies to America, particularly in the context of evangelism and Pentecostalism, which shaped my upbringing. I genuinely respect the historical aspects and understand the ties to African-Americans, especially evident in expressions like church music. One point I'd like to emphasize is the dynamic between America and Christianity, particularly evangelicalism, which can be extremely intense and captivating. While I honor the history and value the Bible, it's challenging to see it objectively due to its long history of being wielded against us. The core concepts and ideas that have emerged outside of traditional orthodox practices can indeed be concerning.
The intersection of religious trauma syndrome and the influence of politics is a potent force that profoundly impacts mental health and peoples lives. I acknowledge and comprehend your background with Christianity I love the concepts of conscious evolution and christ consciousness, but I'm curious about the specific denomination or sector in which you were raised. Naturally, my own experience with Christianity involve its use as a weapon, as it sadly did in American culture. In my upbringing, African spirituality was intertwined with Christianity over time, stemming from the colonization period when we gained access to reading the Bible.
In the context of my upbringing, the Bible wasn't solely considered great literature; it was interpreted by pastors and is was and is God. This approach can be just as damaging, if not more so, than some new movements. It's a reminder that interpretation and context matter immensely in shaping our understanding." Thanks for your video as I believe it is important for all these light healers and sexy ass Spiritual girls. Many times I do feel the gimmick penis or the overuse of esoteric spiritual ideas from the new age entwined into quantum physics. Speak sounds cool and that’s it.
Spiritual narcissism is a great topic. In the words of John Lilly, “Cosmic Love [e.g., the Spiritual Self] is absolutely Ruthless and Highly Indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not.” Anyone feeling a sense of power in doing inner work is very likely connecting with a complex rather than the Self because the Self has no intention of pandering to the fantasies of our complexes and it often demands that we do the exact opposite to what we “feel” or “believe” is right for us. This is especially true of any intent to want to cure or direct others in the context of spiritual narcissism that this video discusses. The true Self wants us to work on ourselves and demands huge sacrifices of us to do this successfully. Authentic inner work and realisation of Self is brutal and painful because it is the giving up of our “I” and involves being humbled by a far greater part of ourselves that knows what we must do to become what it intends for us, in the face of so much inner resistance. There’s little to no sense of power in true inner work. Just submission, sacrifice and humility, as well as frustration and resentment at what’s required.
I appreciate your perspective here, nuance in your view and nicely written. Thank you for sharing 🌲
Agree...the Self is utterly ruthless and will put us through tremendous suffering in order to teach us lessons, lessons that can bring us to our knees and will always humble us, but the Self is also overflowing with the infinite love and grace that empowers us to learn the lessons and keep going.
We are humbled and empowered simultaneously, not a power over others but the power and strength to grow. True inner work is incredibly empowering but not the kind of power that most people view as power. I believe it requires surrender more than anything else.
I find there is a huge impulse to empower others to heal, not to cure or direct them. I do not think this impulse can ever be put aside. If there is no real awareness of this impulse it can become grandiose. We all have this impulse otherwise why would Jordan make these videos, why would comment, why would I comment, why would any of us share anything we have learned? We do so because we want others to heal and so does the Self. We heal others by healing ourselves and sharing what we learn.
Maybe???? I think???? I don't know???🤔🤪😉
@@jordanthornton I really appreciate your videos. They’re so good and informative. I’m learning a lot.
@@Ben-Jembai Definitely agree. My comment was a bit vague. Wanting to help others is natural and noble and valued. In the context of spiritual narcissism, there are people I know wanting to do podcasts, guidance etc when their own development is nowhere near sufficient to be steering others but they don’t see it. They’ve done a small amount of work and believe they’re then “enlightened” and ready to lead others when all they’re actually doing is feeding a raging ego that has not yet connected with their actual Self and has no idea of its existence. That’s why true inner work is shattering because it takes a sledgehammer to our identity and grandiosity. Hope this makes more sense?!
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Makes perfect sense😃
This is such an important topic!!! I recognized with the new age love and light types around me that if didn't reinforce their false self or present myself in a way that made them comfortable that I was no longer welcome...alienated, there was no room for genuine dialogue, sharing from a raw real place, heartfelt topics, or exploring anything beyond rainbows and butterflies---chakras, victimhood, etc. The more I went into contemplation of my own role in this and healed, the more I realized the spiritual narcissism is a sea of self loathing wrapped in love and light, another addiction to fill the void by running away from the inner work, which is not a state of bliss, but a messy menagerie of emotions-patterns-coping mechanisms that have to be unraveled. It is not a fun process of waving a crystal wand and making it all go away.
When interacting with those who knew the unhealed parts of us, it takes discipline at first to not fall back into old habits, if even just for a moment or a day. I notice in time this gets easier and/or those relationships naturally dissolve. How do we connect with others unwilling to connect with themselves? How do we communicate through a lens of discernment by trying to be our most true self, knowing this won't likely be received, no matter how kind, thoughtful or honest the delivery attempts? If I always bite my lip or feel I can only touch on the superficial, that doesn't feel useful either. I try to open my heart and see the spark within others knowing we're each on our own journey, but I long for intimate connection with souls seeking to live more authentically, enlivened with curiosity, committment, courage, creativity, and compassion, so I try to be that...and I fail, but every day I get a little bit better, while practicing impatience (haha, I guess this is the way to patience). Can this path of healing and seeking deeper connection with God only be one of solitude or is that a limiting belief and/or trauma to be healed? Maybe the belief that some hold that they are God is an over-correction in an attempt to reclaim individual power given over to authority through a life of obedience to man's madness, or once the pendulum swings that far is there no return to the humble seeking of equilibrium on the teeter-totter of life?
When I sit in sigh-lens (silence) I breath out this lens through which I filter the world and I know I'm not really alone, the return to the eye within is to find God as ally in this reality (re-align), to go from the divide to be in communion with the Divine, to feel the essence that moves through each of us, while knowing this cannot be contained by our limited perception of being human.
I ordered both books you recommended. Thanks!
This is a great contribution here, thank you for sharing your thoughts 🌲
You can smell the superiority complex among the patchouli oil
Thanks, enjoyed reading your message. I'm coming to the conclusion that I simply cannot know a separate reality except from the many mascinations of this mind. And still beyond that separate experience I am. Some call it the screen where the characters of the mind play. Part of what Jordan is saying, the experience of spiritual narcissism, may be with the attempt of the minds effort to attach to that ' empty, aware presence ' but this is just more mind. Peace
@@johnluke37 Indeed, and "if" all is mind, then mastering the mind feels like a responsibility to create a higher minded experience by becoming better players in the game through love, right action, seeking knowledge and compassion despite the potential outward consequences. The more inner work I do, the more emotional regulation and peace I have amidst chaos. (but I also have days where I lose my shit on the telephone robots, haha, and these moments make me laugh and think how silly the whole idea that I'm here living in a 5D bubble of hopium is) It seems like human nature wants to make sense of things, so it attaches labels and meaning to the mystery of the "I AM" presence of being, which I don't think is bad, except when there is too much attachment to the identity or label, which overtakes the element of just "being" or creates resistance to change or revelation of a truer self emerging. We're meaning making machines, but often that meaning is not useful, an excuse, lacking logic or pure intent of understanding. The more the onion is peeled, the sweeter it gets. I can only draw from my own experiences and I try to hold myself to the fire of my own judgements while also being a flawed human playing in the field of the collective. It's all so complex......yet so simple.
@theangleamorris. Yes thanks for your reply. Although Jordan may find this position less inclusive from a spiritual perspective, any objective understanding , or better said any attempt to examine as an object this sensation, thoughts, and consequently form based material reality is still IMHO more a subtle attachment to separation. To mind's attachment to it's own creation. Spiritual narcissism is such a deep and important topic, and I'm grateful for Jordan's staying with it. I've been advised to leave the mind alone. Simply remove attention thus attachment with it. That doesn't deny its constant presence, just it's unconscious effect. Still working on that. Good luck with your expansion.
So grateful you are talking about this ❤️🔥 very thorough, very honest. I am very fascinated by the shadows of this New Age spirituality. I believe that true spirituality is very subtle and generates true humility and self-love. But we must be honest with ourselves, because we are still human beings, and that is okay. What a relief😅
Seeing this at 111 likes 😂😂 actually though
Woke up at 11:11 this morning so it all adds up 😉
!!!!!!!! I am so excited for this topic being talked about this way! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
It’s massively important!
Great topic💚✨
I just love how you speak to my intuition ❤
Jordan you are still the best👍🏼
I know you get a lot of compliments and love every single day , and you are at great risk for falling in the trap of any type of “narcissism” but you don’t ! You are such a strong, and humble soul , and I love you for that ❤
God bless you always
Time will tell, hopefully not! Will keep doing my best to stay grounded, thank you.
I appreciate this so much as the proprietor of a new age store and a follower since I was very young. I lost my father at age 2 in 1963 and was primed to walk this path. Although I never could quite buy in all the way! The groundedness of the Diamond Approach helped me wake up to the fallacies of the new age. Their teachers are so present and aware and role model for pscho-spiritual work.
I went back to healing the fragile child within and am restoring my life in a more grounded manner. Your videos, books and guidance are helping me understand and be more honest with compassion for the suffering in my and others life. It’s never too late to process and integrate the shdow instead of bypassing.
Thank you!
Once again, Jordan, you’ve hit it out of the park with this topic and your well crafted take. I think it’s important to note that if some spiritual bypassing has happened, all is not lost. Without doing a disciplined religious or spiritual practice, the eye opening and soul shaking insights of a mystical experience can sadly fade. It can be a great learning opportunity; a time for introspection and course correction. I’m currently devoting some time toward a rewarding creative venture, but when this project is completed I would like to check out the New Age book you introduced
Make sure to order the book now and get your copy ready! Thank you for this comment too, I likewise see hope in this confusing spiritual marketplace / identity games that are going on.
This is an interesting way of broaching the topic of inferiority complexes and the resulting build up of ego to defend oneself. It’s good to be strong, it’s good to be a powerful and formidable man, but you must humble yourself before something. Let that thing be the ocean, a mountain, or god.
I appreciate how you bring up specific literature exploring the New Age movements from an outside/holistic perspective, particularly in this videos, but throughout all of your videos. I need to read some of these books. In the past I have fallen into these New Age spiritual traps and don't want to in the future.
NARAWC is an excellent, excellent book you’ll find great value in. It’s what you’re after.
Thank you Jordan, always grateful for your videos and wisdom you share , such a blessing 🌸🌞🌲
Always appreciative of your comments, thank you.
Great information, sweet brother... 🌹Just bought Glamour, FINALLY...Keep up the great work, and long live good old genuine humility for spiritual integration...🤟
My pleasure - you’ll love the book, and keep going my man!
The issues you point out persist within all of society. This is the problem of letting trends and image lead our way instead of actually seeking what's meaningful to us.
Nicely put, wishing you the best with your week ahead 🌲
Thank you, Jordan. Life has frequently let me know that I'm not God, and I'm glad -- I'm not up for that level of responsibility
Too much for anyone to hold!
thanks for introducing Alice Bailey to the world! there is so much ancient wisdoms in her books, i am reading her Esoteric Psychology currently! though it maybe a bit hard to grasp for some newcomers, but definitely need to read it once in life.
I've learned so much from her work, sharing is the least I could do.
A.B. is a very Luciferic soul aka new age. It’s for you both to reflect how spiritually immature you are. I suggest you to study Rudolf Steiner and Henry T. Laurency. Gret video again Jordan, you are very grounded psychologically and ready to embrace esoteric spirituality.
Hippie with a God complex, here :) ✌🙏💯 i was almost bedridden from 2012 and in constant pain for 20 years, up till about 14 weeks ago, when i limped to the man of God and got HEALED IN THE NAME OF JESUS0, PRAISE GOD!! I was almost running when i left, and day by day im getting stronger and stronger and im so glad that ONE GUY BELIEVED AND OBEYED GOD so i can laugh and not cry as much 😊
....and I delved into psychology with all my might for all those years prior to the 15 seconds that ACTUALLY FIXED MY PROBLEM RIGHT THEN... WHEW!!!
K :) that's all :)
I’m glad you’re finding peace on your path, wishing you the best 🌲
😃Blessings😃
How refreshing. Listening attentively. Personally felt these movements and through observation is everywhere. And lightly been taking. Almost as deep as a rabit hole, unlike to trace it all these babbles of languages creating deep complexity. And exhausting. Greatly appreciated for being water like. 🌊
Hard to pin these concerns down, but it’s still worth the fluid exploration - absolutely 🌲
Wow, thank you Jordan. I used to be into new age spirituality and definitely fell into the spiritual narcissist trap. It led me to an entire mental breakdown, and long story short I'm a Christian now. I've had a hard time understanding why things played out the way they did, but your video gives a lot of insight. While we definitely hold different beliefs, I deeply appreciate your insight, knowledge, and thoughts. They are profoundly helpful and hopefully will keep others from getting into these dark traps I got myself into. I'm curious if you've considered making a video like this without the "narcissism" label in order to reach those stuck in it? Like you mentioned we can't really share this video because of its title and use of the narcissist label. It would be very helpful to have a video just like this without the labeling to be able to share to hurting and lost brothers and sisters.
Thank you for sharing some of your story here, I appreciate your perspective. This whole area is complex and absolutely deserving of far more videos in the future! Will see what I can do.
At my current level of comprehension, I do consider myself to be god, but so is everything else. I am also an animal. It's the "both, and" perspective that really helps me navigate this complex territory. In this state of consciousness I am god in the sense that I am part of god. Like a cell in the body of. The same as your hand is you in a sense, but it is not the absolute complete state of you. There is really nothing about this realization that makes me special or distinct from anyone or anything, even an ant. Edit follows: I didn't get to the part of this video where you mentioned collapsing into this perspective and can see what you mean there. It kind of leads away from the conversation about the narcissistic elements and personal responsibility surrounding this topic. It's an important thing to be able to point out. After all every virtue signaler will eventually end up in the spiritual realm because it's the ultimate "virtue" to signal.
Sophisticated comment here, thank you for taking the time to share your perspective. Isn't it always challenging to try to communicate such complex & subjective concepts with language? Wishing you well!
@@jordanthornton It is. Proper context is hard to generate with a topic so sensitive to people's core identities that their entire lives have been built around. One must avoid creating cognitive dissonance to really be able to get this message across. It doesn't only require a good comprehension of non-duality but also the humility and social ability to meet someone where they are.
It's not a philosophy that has to be forced. After all that would only display a lack of understanding of the absolute grace that non-duality implies. One that knows and trusts this philosophy would not act so impatient to change another's beliefs, but rather trusts that this lesson will be shown when needed. And it may not be needed in this lifetime.
Using the "I am god" as a shield and avoidance mechanism isn't quite proper and the right attitude towards this philosophy is to seek and disprove it at any point. If one uses the statement I am god as a deflective mechanism to avoid looking at their shadow or responsibility, it's a way of forcing the philosophy without embodying the actions that being god implies.
It's like holding up a religious symbol in order not to face the dark.
I appreciate your thought provoking videos as always, Jordan. As well as your responsiveness and dedication to your values, and ability to integrate and embody everything that you learn as you remain open. It is phenomenal to see someone so truly dedicated to their truthful full self-expression. You are an inspiration to me.
As much as I am capable of explaining this here, I am yet to fully embody this side of myself as I have not yet found a way to make money with this yet. I struggle on the day to day and in a way I see I do not embody enough of this truth myself as I seek to love every part of my life. Perhaps I am using this truth as a shield myself on some semi conscious level.
I love this philosophy too much and can use it as a distraction, in some sense that is what this is right now as I am supposed to be in the gym right now.
Please excuse me as I see myself out, - and I hope this was insightful enough to not have wasted any of your time!
Interesting. Clicked on this to better understand other people’s delusions and came out thinking about some aspects of my own arrogance that I could smooth off.
I have huge respect for your humility here, thank you
Thank you Jordan, gosh, packed. I was taken by the image of trauma pipe, 1st time hearing. Unsettling, as violence was so abundant that my body was bomb site/crater. I pictured "my" pipe as blown to pieces, a flood zone where nothing flows along channel, but just leaks & pools higgeldy piggeldy, with gunk all over. I was saddened at the child who, escaping from a dangerous father finds protection w/mother. What if they are both dangerous. There was also an older sibling who embodied the rage of both parents. In 12 step program, where spirituality is determinedly non- sectarian, many find a higher power that loves them unconditionally, to whose care they turn over their will & their lives. Not for the life of me. The powers are utterly oblivious to me. Love is my only guide. Thank you for including the toilet: the analog of the abyss
The toilet: the analog of the abyss 😂
Healthy divinity is a great turn of phrase
For sure!
16:57 twisted method when a planner meets the valley of patience😊
19:22 - 19:38 overcharge inferiority is super saiyan
20:42 "If you try to save your life, you will lose it, if you lose your life for me, you will have it back."-Jesus
22:36 do collapse into that theory. Man can say he is a mountain and then nobody will be able to go into that hiding space with them. Then everyone finds the hiding space, but they find it ridiculous. Someone comes along and says that they are larger then life.and the mountain man says I'm
It’s about time that this gets called out for what it is.
I saw myself fall for this deception and I am retrieving.
We got this. Keep finding the balancing point.
would love to hear what you think about big book of AA on the same topic ;)
Haven't read that one, unfortunately!
I find it counter intuitive that narcissism is rooted in low self esteem. Shouldn't the experience of low self esteem and humility work together?
Not necessarily - it's hard to narrow down, but the essence of narcissism is falling in love with an image / unreal self, not a genuine sense of self (which is where humility would come in). The true narcissistic delusion emerges from low self-esteem because the image isn't real. It's a complex topic for sure.
Just for the understanding: I am a spiritual being, a part of the wave, but not the complete wave. I am God, but only of my reality. I did not really create my reality, it was aleady created. I just choose my reality through my energy every second. And I should lay down any form of selfconcept? Right so far?
It is a trend that is going nowhere.
Perhaps, although all trends do eventually lead us somewhere. Progress is still being made 🌲
I rewatched the first Lego Movie with my autustic kiddo yesrerday and i feel it captures alk this vwey well in its symbolism 😎 (hint hint Unity Kitty) the devils in the details 😂😂😂
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I have come to realise I can know nothing, I can be sure of nothing, I am ignorant of all things. Only one thing can I know............I AM
If I am not God, if you are not God, if we are not God, then what are we?
Can anything exist that is not God, that is outside of God?
Don't get me wrong I don't believe myself to be God in Gods entirety but I am one with God.
Jesus never claimed to be the Father but did claim to be one with the Father.
I agree, thinking I am God is not helpful, but denying I am God is also not helpful.
Always a paradox.
Language can get tricky, that’s for sure - many questions left for us to answer. Timeless.
This is a comment I shared on Sam Vs CZcams 'the self professed Professor of NPD who has NPD' in response to the never ending storytelling that it's how our parents fail us that is the excuse to have pathological bad behaviour and be lifelong assholes...
'All of our earthly parents failed us in varying degrees, there is something about knowing (believing) there is A GOD; not that I am that God, but God outside of me, and that I am also part of this Gods being and creation.... That allows me to feel calm and love whenever and wherever I may be in life 🧬💖😇 nurtured & nourished'
Having a balanced relationship with the origin of creation allows to mend what we tell ourself is formative emotional wounds that have cut too deep to heal...
The transference of bad mommy or daddy in other humans to seek out our individuation when one can cultivate connections to the Universal Love' of the originating Creator or what has been referenced as God, that access is equally available to all (we are all part of this God, so there are no favored children to know this connection) anywho, how I know God and being part of God that I feel has nurtured me especially during times when nurturing was not available from other humans 😇💖
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O yes...language is just not up to really talking about these things.
Love on the other hand.
I know this makes no psychological sense and no logical or scientific sense but I have to say it, I just gotta, God is Love and we are formed out of the stuff of God. God is Love and we are Love.
Nothing can ever change that.
What does that mean? What do we do with it? Does it solve any problems?
I do not know.
But it is true.
Love your content and you passion.
Blessings
Psalm 82 tells us we are all God. There is a difference between the statement "I am God" and the Jewish concept that "God is me". One cannot truly accept that God is everything, if one rejects that includes their own self, too.
Even the gospel has Jesus saying, "...whatever you do to the least of my brothers you do to me."
Whatever your flavor of spirituality, never let someone wrestle this concept from you.
Me personally on my spiritual journey I did come to a conclusion that everything and everyone is one with God. Even though it’s never reached a point of feeling superior and self absorbed I think it’s best to let go of that idea. It gave me a very humbling and selfless perspective of nature and people but it doesn’t seem realistic and for some people it feeds deeply into their ego in a negative way and I don’t want to lose the humility small or large that I already have.
Very beautifully said reflections, thank you.
Finally a cult I’d love to join
Not a cult leader lol - in fact, I would be an awful one because I keep repeating for people to read books from other people & think for themselves 😂
@@jordanthornton My point exactly :D Thank you for your service
But @@jordanthornton, it's like you can be one right? lol kidding as well. How can we stop people from doing that anyway. It's ingrained from our ancient past that people find a leader to follow yet it's so hard to follow thmselves?
You probably don't have all the information. Ouch!
None of us do!
Great answer to that claim :) @@jordanthornton