So... About Destiny 3... Where might we go? Who might our enemy be?
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- čas přidán 4. 05. 2024
- Destiny 3 is potentially on the horizon. But what will happen in Bungie's next mainline Destiny game? Who will the major enemy be? What are we likely to be doing? Where will we go? What will the story be? In this video, I'm working to answer what's going on with Destiny 3 and whether we'll be facing the Ahamkara, Nezarec or the Hive God Xivu Arath as our leading villain.
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Last time I was this early, we'd stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars.
Whether we wanted it or not ?
So we got to taking out their commanders, one by one.
We probably should take out their command, one by one if able.
hate it when that happens 🙄
Valus Ta’aurc. From what we’d gathered he had commanded the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon.
Having the Nine be the primary antagonistic force in the D3 universe would be phenomenal imo. Them using the guardians, the Vanguard, and all the enemy factions as game pieces in a massive campaign for their own amusement would be fitting. A game within a game if you will.
With some sort of PVP aspect maybe?
All of the Nine are not evil. Nor are they actually on terms "Evil". Damn how do you all that follow a lore page not know the lore.
@quavoking Was just an idea lmao. Such a childish, smoothbrain response imo.
@@joshuajohnson4431it’s like you can’t have a suggestion or an opinion nowadays lmao
@joshuajohnson4431 The idea itself lacks logic. Has nothing to do with it being an idea. It does not correlate properly to the LORE. We all continue to push for Bungie to present CONSISTENCY, but those as yourself show you lack LOGIC due to a lack of UNDERSTANDING of the lore. A person can respect another's idea yet still call it out as dumb.
Other potential plot lines not mentioned in this video:
- Ancient, powerful Taken; the Perfect Raven, Primus A’arn, Chelchis, Kell of Stone, “Primevals,” and the entire worlds Taken and Blighted by Oryx.
- The ice planet and the Light-suppressing creatures Drifter found on it.
- the Location of the Derelict Leviathan
- The Worm Gods
- Oryx’s mindless but living body now in Vanguard containment.
- Whether Nokris still lives
- Clovis Bray
- Jana-14, the Weapons of Sorrow, Shadows of Yor, and Shin Malphur.
- Praedyth and the simulated Ishtar scientists “escaping” from the Vex network.
- Skira, the Watcher
Shins story is wrapped up already
@@ziegfeld4131 Yes, but, if they’re pushing a weapons of sorrow story then it’s not impossible he could be involved somehow.
Considering how little we’ve actually seen of them and how large they loom over the future, I think the Vex are the most logical main enemy faction for Destiny 3. I can see us helping Caitel rise to her throne, finding a new home for the Eliksni, finishing off, or at least creating a non-aggression pact with Savathun and Xivu-Arath, but none of those really seems to fit a full scale, “call all Guardians” or type of conflict in the same way a final confrontation with the Vex would be.
Regardless of who we end up facing and when, I really hope we get to travel outside of Sol!
I feel like the problem with the vex is that they don't have personalities, so it's way harder to make an interesting story around them. In recent years destiny has leaned very heavily into a character-driven model of storytelling over a concept-driven model, and I believe that intrinsically forces them to sideline the vex to an extent. Just my 2 cents
@@vikrantpulipati1451agreed 100%, hiveminds just aren’t as interesting from a character perspective unless we’re shown they have some degree of individuality despite the hivemind, or if the vex combined with something else that does have personality like a vex infected enemy species
@@Sleeper_6875 I agree in principle, but there's a huge exception, and her name is Maya Sundaresh. We've even seen what that would be like from Clovis Bray's lore.
@@Sleeper_6875The Subfactions seem to have some sort of autonomy if they can think of different solutions to pursue.
Hell, Mass Effect once again did the same thing better than Destiny. In this case by making Legion be the face of a faceless hivemind
@@life-destiny1196 true
I honestly think Bungie making The Nine the new big villains would be interesting
maybe part of them after all some of the nine are in favor of being our allies
Eh
Honestly that would be great if destiny did a better job of in game lore. I’ve never completed a full expansion only got about 500 hour in destiny 2 and 400 of that was in one season. But destiny 2 has major issues. There so much lore entire expansions are missing, you feel like your always missing something, and for people who haven’t played several expansions that’s a lot of info. The game also does really bad with guns, I always get to max lvl and then I’m like okay now what? What guns should I be going for, how much better it a x10 wep compared to normal and so on and so on. Then you get to end game content, doing nightmares and raids and trials how the hell do you even get into it. Doing everything through discords seems so convoluted. Even the grouping system while doing that seems unnecessarily hard. Destiny 2 just isn’t a game you can just pick up, you need a million different outside things to be able to play content.
500 hours and I’ve never done trials, I’ve done one raid that people then just made into a farm of the first part and kept repeating, no idea on what guns are good, how to get them, what traits are what, it’s all just convoluted and wierd.
Destiny 2 is a great game, but doesn’t attract new players and the ones it does it loses because of all the things above and all the others I haven’t written.
@@joshmanion8172 Yes. Getting into a 10 year old game is hard... The systems are fairly complex. But honestly, it takes 3-4 months of a decent amount of playtime to get up to speed. Yes, you need to go beyond the game itself to find a lot of information on builds, weapons, etc. But the process is there to be followed if you have the time and patience for it.
Do you understand the lore?
I’ve always thought the idea of fighting either Shin Malphur or the Shadows of Yor to be an interesting story for a expansion
I’ve always thought it would be crazy to have a guardian as a final boss
Same
@@gektoast4968That was in fact the final bosses in Rise of Iron’s campaign, they were just Siva infected. But fighting pure Guardians would be pretty cool
kinda odd as didnt shin disband the shadows of yor?
@@pugwash1 shin was hunting them
I think Clovis Bray, with control over the vex would be an interesting threat, that gives the vex a face and voice
I LOVE this
Also Aesop could still be real.
With that we could finally see the warrior models. Let the Vex finally get vicious.
@@GirkonI think Wyverns are vicious enough 😅
and then he can create a giant exo body to go with his big head and become a raid boss
I believe that Clovis Bray will be a great villain for the future, mainly due to issues related to the VEX, his hatred for the guardians, the traveler and his aspirations to become a God. Being an AI in fact, Clovis, could at one time or another escape into the VEX network and become a big problem, in addition to the factor having created the EXOs from a mixture of VEX and "darkness", his studies could even cause the VEX create a new division where they can actually manipulate Light and Dark as basic elements of the universe to ensure the survival of the species.
Clovis and the factions (including the concordat) would certainly be an interesting enemy grouping alongside the Vex/Maya and a 3rd group perhaps related somehow to the fallen
Maya Sundaresh is also alive as a AI Vec copy. Given her research on the Veil, she could become a powerful rival to Clovis. Maybe wielding the Darkness to fight him? We and Neomuna could end up having to ally with him despite bad blood, to defeat a greater evil. Or, Maya could end up killing Clovis/assimilating him.
Nezarec haunted Neomuna via the Vex network before we faced off against him in the raid. I could see a plot where Clovis Bray actually teams up with Nezarec for revenge against the Guardians. Nezarec tortures people and Clovis gets valuable information to continue his megalomaniacal quest to make humanity immortal through himself alone. It would be terrifying
One of the things I want to see, is the Places the Drifter spoke about duirng season of the deep, where he mentioned he had to kill his own group to survive. With it being too dangerous out there, meaning theres greater evils than what we are already facing, the great beyond
you know, i wonder if the darkness creatures that drifter came across were actually dread geists
You left out the most important villain of them all - Our lord and savior Kelgorath!
Budget Taniks.
Kelgorath has gotten enough appearances to show up in a raid with a glow up by now, right?
@@ninjathis3009 He would be perfect for a Xivu Arath raid.
If Nezarec is ressurected we could see a struggle of control of the taken which could be interesting.
I swear if Kelgorath unironically becomes a powerhouse it will be the best left field villain.
@@ninjathis3009 at this point, yeah, Taniks is budget Kelgorath.
Having Xivu be the next villain would be so amazing. Maybe after the Witness is destroyed, we go with Caiatl to the Ascendant Plane to retrieve Torobatl only to find that Xivu Arath has taken up residency on the planet and is maybe trying to turn it into her new Throne World. Hell, maybe we encounter a group of rebel Cabal who were on Torobatl when it was pulled into the Ascendant plane, real traditionalist types that clash with the more progressive Caiatl.
Point is, lots of fun narrative beats you could hit with an expansion like that.
I think the most likely villain of Destiny 3 is a new enemy race entirely. I imagine we'll leave Sol and they'll have new powers and abilities to do a complete refresh and reset
This is what I’d like to see, explore the universe beyond this system. Have more variety instead of recycling the same enemy factions over and over again. (But still have them there since there are lots of plots that could be explored.)
"Your Destiny lies beyond this solar system." - Savathun, The Witch Queen, 2022.
If we ever see Destiny 3. I think D3 would be such a horrible idea if that's the future of the franchise. Imagine dumping hundreds of dollars into D2 just to do the same with D3 and leave everything behind.
Right now there's no confirmed plans for Destiny after TFS. If it flops then Sony takes over, which would probably be for the best.
Update the engine and do some overhauls, no need for a third game.
@@Sehnsucht1622agreed, but I think there are major changes that might need to be made that might require a whole new title. Like, I imagine Bungie doesn’t want to have to keep “vaulting” content. Hopefully they can find some way to optimize the game’s size. (Or rely on the better storage tech/cheaper storage costs in recent years.)
@@D3athChick3n It's not Bungie's fault that console storage is awful. MMO's are large in scale, vaulting old content to hinder progress is just a poor business model.
Also, with a D3 launch then people will just have Destiny 2 and Destiny 3 installed, what would be the difference in size then?
All this hard work and for what? To randomly cast it aside for a new title as an "MMO"?
Just seems silly.
Byf, I’m sorry to say but you forgot a major villain who could be in the lineup as Destiny 3’s big bad. That being high Bungie executives.
No no that the nine they need us to exist and also have be openly hostile towards us as well
Honestly 3 locations that we know of could be fundament, Torobatal and rii’s other than that they would have to make entirely new planets and probably enemies too cause I don’t think 3 planets will be enough for a new Destiny game.
Imo 3 planets can be enough if they are large enough and have enough depth to them. Atleast on launch
Fundament, Torobatl, wherever the vex originated, the precursors planet, the planet the drifter found the light-supressing beings...
You described the Destiny 3 I want. Annual major expansions where we restore the Cabal to their homeworld, the Fallen to their frozen Riis, and even taking Savathun and the Lucent Brood to Fundament.
@@Aenwyrm 2082 Volantis is supposedly where the Vex originate
@@Tron-yj2nv yeah couldn't remember the name when I first commented
If there are any Fallen enemies in D3, there could only really be one. Let us never forget the true terror of the Eliksni that should turn up at some point.
Randal the Vandal will be in D3, possibly Taniks too.
one thing i’ve always hoped to see at some point in destiny’s lifespan is us expanding our reach into the stars. it’s always been hinted that during the golden age we were on track for just that before the collapse. it would truly be full circle and forward-facing to explore distant worlds and alien civilizations. we could go to torabatl, the eliksni homeworld, honestly any of the enemy home planets would be interesting. the origin of the vex leaves a lot of possibilities, similarly to the origin of the witness. there’s so much more beyond our system and i would love to see us get there one day. maybe D3 takes place after a timeskip of some sort allowing colonization
Oryx is a possible plot point, if not a possible antagonist. Its very unlikely, but considering the lore around his body states that it is undergoing a very slow mending process, it's not technically impossible for Oryx to come back as some kind of foe down the line
He probably wouldn't be the same though, maybe a very powerful pawn of another antagonist
I'd love to see him become a light bearer without his memories even with them he'd be a changed character as we essentially proved the sword logic wrong by defeating him with bomb logic.
Id love to see a struggle with him and Nezarec over the control of the taken as I imagine a resurrected Nezerac would grasp at any power he could and the taken right now are without a proper leader.
IIRC the lore implies that, whatever's happening to his body, he's not conscious for it. It'd be perfect irony for an empty shell of Oryx to get puppeted around by someone else (maybe Nezarec).
@@life-destiny1196yeah that would be kinda cool, but oryx was far powerful than Nezarec so he would be a weaker version of somebody we already killed. Unless the metamorphosis he undergoes somehow gives his body more power than what he had when came to our solar system
@@life-destiny1196 We're fighting who we think is Oryx resurrected and as soon as his health hits zero, we think the fight over but you hear a mad cackle and Nezarec busts out from Oryx's body in an explosion of dark matter and phase 2 *begins*
The Nine and the Aphelion are the two that interest me the most since they’ve never been seen in-game before, with Lysander a close third. What about the remaining worm gods though?
Would Lysander even be alive at this point?, I don't recall him being mentioned as a Guardian and at best his failed coup happened at least a century or more before the start of Destiny 1.
Lysander presents a perfect civil war scenario where we might be made to face other guardians and bring about a few final deaths.
I wonder if the Aphelion are what Drifter encountered on that ice planet he was at where he lost his crew.
The Nine are the easiest storyline to follow up on. Sentient dark matter wants to exist in the universe and might cause massive destruction even if it's intention is just survival. And we already have some allies within them who might throw in with us and help keep the status quo.
Man I remember pre-ordering this series when I was 15, can’t believe it’s still going
Obviously the right track to go here is making Taniks the main antagonist of Destiny 3 to really contine his rise up the ranks. From recurring Strike Boss, to Raid Boss, and then even to a main game-launch campain antagonist.
Taniks-2 and Taniks, The Defiled - his exo mind and his scorned body, working in tandem against a returned Cayde-6.
if i remember correctly, back in season of the splicer wasn't there a thing of dialogue from mithrax talking about some nightmare/ boogeyman type of character that haunted the eliksni on riis, like wayyy before the whirlwind. that could be a possibility for an eliksni antagonist in d3, the prevention of the final shape could awaken that creature like how ghauls attempt on stealing the light had got the witness to start making its move
That was Nezarech
@@britefiveyeah it was probably either Nez or other Dread
Skira, the Watcher
that was most likely nezarec; he was the harbinger of our first collapse so there's a high chance he was for the whirlwind too
@Anklebiting nez has probably been in Sol for millions of years. So I'm hoping that Skira is something different.
But yea you're more than likely right that it's just Nez
Remember when Savathun was breaking the 4th wall basically saying she knows she is in the Destiny Universe, n is trying to leave.
Would love to see peak dimension/universe hopping Sava
The ahamkara have attempted this as well. The lore of the skull of dire ahamkara is one speaking directly to the player, tempting them to wish it into existence
This was before the witness
WHAT IF WE GOT THE DESTINY MULTIVERSE 😱
@@pyiemadofarmule i agree with destiny two multiverse my friend group and i played a game and it was fully randomized names and his name was Oryx Space
@@RedCrystalStudios1 my comment was sarcastic, i’d actually uninstall the game if they pulled the multiverse card
If there are seven Ahamkara still alive it would be a great way to bring Lady Efrideet more heavily into the story, allowing the Iron Banner to continue with Lord Saladin gone to the Cabal home world if we dont go to help or at least dont go to help immediately
What you said about the potential New Great Hunt with the 7 ahamkara reminded me about how the new subclasses could have something to do with that old strand hunter concept art where the hunter pictured summons a spirit-dragon of some kind. Maybe ahamkara magic?
Thank you for so much entertainment over the years Byf, with hopefully many many more to come! 😁
From everything I've learned since Destiny 2 launched. The enemy seems to be Sony, execs selling out and a bad engine.
The devs, the story tellers seem fantastic
But Destiny seems like it could be amazing, but so far from the potential
I’ve been thinking over the past couple days, what about The Architects as the villains? They could potentially be the beings that created all life in the universe and have shaped events for their benefit
youre joking right??
The Architects are basically Bungie saying that the environment, that they have created, killed you. And since they created the environment, they are the Architects.
I hope you're not serious.
Maybe that’s who the Gardener and Winnower are
@aempyTV then say the environment. Why would bungie it the architects?
Unless there's a reason beyond that. Remember, this is bungie.
I understand that it does sound silly, but it's one of the weirdest things in destiny and the half assed explanation doesn't sit right at all. Again, it could be that simple, but again, it could mean more.
@@silverprimus321boi9 maybe you’re right, we‘ll see
Every time you say “clarity” I imagine a vine boom and Clovis bray appearing on screen
The idea of the "dragons" is a pretty solid idea for many seasons of story and play. But I would like to see the possibility of Guardians turning on the Traveler and the Light.
Eliksni... I'm interested in their past, their land, and Ermis and her future journey
I’ve always thought that simply the vex could make a great next antagonist, there’s supposedly entire star systems out there that have completely artificial planets and stars in the heart of their territory that mass produce vex on a unfathomably large scale, the vex that we fight aren’t even the main forces and are more like scouts, workers and religious zealots, if something like the vault of glass is on the edge of their territory then imagine what we could find the further we go into it’s centre. There is much more for the vex to offer to us as an enemy and I think it would be really cool to see, and they’re just my favourite faction so I always love anything that they’re apart of.
This guy gets it
I took a two year hiatus from D2, recently been talking with my brother-in-law and one of my longtime friends about returning to our old FT days. I gotta say after the time away it's been nice knowing you're still making content.
That ambiant music from D1 was magical soothing after a long day at work.
I’m a big fan of the idea of the war over the cabal home world. Big open world where we can conquer and take over places sounds awesome in premise. With Xivu finally being a big final raid boss.
I really badly want that concept art of the moth faction to become a reality, not only because moths are awesome, but it could have mechanics tied to light and dark
whos gonna tell him
@@maniacalcoast2742 theres nothing to say, the lucent brood has a moth aesthetic but it doesn’t actually play a factor into them and what Im referring to is the actual alien race that was originally planned
@kalebheidbreder8894 my brother in light the moth race are the krill / hive
@@Ethanshmeethan00 mate you have zero clue what your talking about actually go back and look at concept art
Like doesn’t matter how many connections there are, that moth faction was scrapped, it doesn’t exist, its not the hive
18:08 A great way for Nezarec to return in massive spectacle of power and dread would be for him to reclaim his buried pyramid ship, have it tear through the caverns and resurface above the moon. An ancient looming threat hanging above Earth’s sky, a scar on the moon clear as day. A painful reminder that he hasn’t forgotten us.
I think the nine, especially with their aesthetic, would be pretty cool villains. Prophecy was one of the most visually impressive dungeons imo that could make for really interesting raid encounters.
How could you forget Kelgorath?! 😜
I think Destiny 3 should have Xivu Arath as the main villain. Have a plot where she takes up the witness mantle. Some weird darkness light fusion and she becomes super powerful. It can be on the Cabal home world and introduce all the species the cabal has assimilated into their ranks.
What got me into destiny lore was in reading the quote attached to Young Alhamkara's spine, finding out was an Alhamkara is and then reading quote attached to Sealed Alhamkara grasps. Reading that Lil "O' guardian mine" at the end gave me chills dude.
I really like the idea of 7 vengeful Ahamkara being aligned against the 7 of Riven's brood. Even better if you blur the lines- have some of Riven's clutch break away from Mara, have their own feelings about being raised by their broodmother's jailer. And have some of the escapees be more sympathetic- one could be like Taranis, or they could simply wish to be left alone and not come back to fight us.
There's a lot of potential there, but it would necessitate fleshing out entirley new Ahamkara characters, which is a lot for one plotline even were it to expand beyond an initial campaign with some of them being important later on.
Story pitch: Spy thriller story arc with political intrigue, secret agents infiltrating the last city, rogue guardian spies, a looming coup/uprising from within the last city, not knowing who to trust, betrayal and twist reveals, and a big reveal that there has been a hidden evil right under our noses for far longer than we’d like to admit; Lysander and the Concordat running things without us realising. It would be amazing. The most threatening non-paracausal enemy we may yet face.
Lame. Played out. Unoriginal. Yawn.
@@GeronimoPlaz 😐😐
One minute ago is crazy
A tantalizing lore hint I would like to see elaborated on is the unknown entities known as the Dreaming, who are connected in some way with the will of the Awoken people and after whom the Dreaming City was named. It could tie in well with a plotline involving the Distributary...
I wouldn’t want a destiny game without Michael Salvatori’s music. Absolutely legendary pieces.
Perhaps an enemy bent on revenge? The powers at be have left an enormous path of destruction in their quest to catch the traveler.
or the actual Darkness or even Light, something primordial.
Imagine if, Destiny 3 opens up with a race selection screen that includes Cabal, Hive, and Fallen options due to the Traveller granting the light to more races, and each race gets it's own "intro mission" of awakening as a guardian
I thought it’d be kind of cool if we got a prequel character shooter about Zavala, Ikora, and Cayde. A single player campaign about before our guardian got revived, where you play as each of them and they have skill trees that you upgrade. We play missions that we’ve heard about in lore pages
I think my main point of contention is that continuously, Bungie surprise us with something or someone we've never seen or heard of until the expansion/game reveal. Think about it. We didn't know about the Red Legion. About the Scorn. Hive Lightbearers. Stasis. Neomuna. If/when Destiny 3 is revealed, it's gonna be with an entirely new thing that we weren't expecting.
Project payback really needs to be a prequel. A look back into the time of Warlords, but also allow us to be other races during their crucial moments as well to really expand on lore that has not received proper spotlight.
Well, imagine a super saiyan 3 witness throwing error codes at the guardian while saying the f word
The moment Riven had us running collecting her clutch of eggs i knew we had potentiol for d3 as ahamkara wishes come with curses 🤞
I just cannot get enough of these videos, man. It’s something about how he words his explanations and his voice that just captivates me. That and the fact he isn’t just loud and annoying for no reason or throwing out completely absurd theories lol.
What if Dark Timeline versions of good characters invade our universe? If Elsie Bray could figure it out, why couldn’t Clovis figure it out and make a connection to it? Honestly, wish dragons could probably do this as well. Even the Vex could be the primary conduit for this new enemy!
I think it would be more interesting if they made a spinoff game.
Maybe something like "the forest" where you are a regular human trying to survive in an island infested with hive and other races
Lol
Great video, Byf
I've got a personal theory storyline that I have that's not likely to be the case. It would take a while, but I'll summarize. Sorry for length.
-it gets confirmed the Ascendant Plane was the Garden and it's just an empty husk of what it was.
-Traveler/Veil was a type of dimension-style creation engine (like a dimensional terraformer) connected to the Ascendant Plane.
-Their separations split caused an implosion/explosion that devastated and separated matter/consciousness within the Ascendant plane, while causing the Big Bang on the other side flooded with remnants of the Garden and formed dimensional pockets. (Read The Anomaly lore)
-The Deep is a pocket that was created and filled with countless consciousnesses of the Ascendant Plane that swirled and became one/a few powerful beings without material form. They told the Witness how to become what they are.
-The Distributary is a pocket of matter and potential, but had no minds or consciousnesses to form and create. Just a void until human consciousnesses entered. Mara being the first to awaken, form, set rules, etc.
-The Witness is stopped from using the Pale Heart to amplify and send out the Deathsong in place of the Song of Life/Creation. But not before his actual purpose is done. The Deep mind(s) manipulated the Witness, the true Final Shape the Deep wants is crossing and having their own final shape, a body/bodies, a true form of Material existence.
-The loop curse in the Dreaming City will be ended and Taken will enter the Distributary. We'll enter and learn that when Mara left it allowed the Deep to whisper in. After Mara left everything went downhill fast.
Civil wars broke out, famine, factions, and after a too long a period, the pocket universe itself showed signs of slowly breaking down. Mara was the first in, the first mind, billions of years waited until she made form and rule, structure was her existence. When she left, she took the power of HER creation universe with her. While there she was like a battery pack with a million outlets that kept her strength low, but started to fill once she left.. She'll need to return and we help her try to save and stabilize the Distributary before collapse.
A lot more but I've said too much already.
Too weird? Not weird enough? Thoughts?
Much love and have a good one.
Also, another an alternative path idea for the hiding Ahamkara (crazy just for fun.)
During The Hunt, an Awoken talking to himself or to another about his home half-hearted wished to see their family or introduce their team member(s) to the fam and beauty of their home back in the Distributary.
An Ahamkara nearby created an alternative means to enter, the Guardians went in wondering what it was and the Ahamkara informed the rest. They entered into the Distributary behind them and closed the portal to hide in the pocket dimension where no other could sense them.
When we enter, we discover their influence and wishes caused problems, deaths, accusations, factions formed, civil war, power hungry divisions with Ahamkara acting as figureheads. They're repopulating their numbers and feasting.
While I would seriously love to see destiny follow a narrative of fighting other guardians, I really hope a destiny 3 doesn’t exist
What i want from Destiny 3
-Cabal Warbeast raid/strike boss. like Dukino's Mom or Skagzilla in Borderlands, not pleasure gardens
-exploring beyond the solar system
-Evil Guardian race (a sect of guardians who abandoned Eris and Elsie's guidance with stasis during Beyond light and embraced the dark future in the unveiling(?) lore book)
-the ahamkara eggs we saved for riven and the one from Season of the witch grow up and lend us a small bit of power (like getting Seasonal Artifact Version 2 or somethin crazy, or granting season of wish cards/season of deep ahsa gifts over a wider area of the game)
-someone who is equal in power to lore accurate guardians, who also wields light and dark, who is also NOT AN ALLY (for a standoff equal to Goku and Vegeta)
-vex enemy/boss with a voice. The vex need an oryx or a calus.
-bungie to give Fastball the Traction treatment and just fold that fucking mod into our gameplay by default. i played on console for half a decade, Traction was NECESSARY to feel good with movement, having grenades be thrown like cornhole sacks is a slap in the face to what it means to be a guardian
I'm still interested in dredgen yor and if he has any other evil guardian just imagine good vs evil guardian fighting each other like a true faction type battle
I think the perfect segue into Destiny 3 would be to pull back the curtain on what the Light and Darkness actually are, and what the Traveler and the Veil actually are, only to find they're tools and forces used by things even bigger and stranger than we ever thought possible.
My hopes are that Destiny 3 will be a complete refresh; new guardian, and new timeline to explore. In example, took place during the times of the Iron Lords, get to play through the rise of Siva, introduce Felwinter, It would be so good.
You mentioning Toland I had that “Omg Toland! He’s still there! Stupid floating orb I totally forgot all about him”
Im excited to see where the story goes next and what new loot they give.
So many great ideas, my imagination is brewing. Thanks for the inspiration
I love the idea of fight the seven ahamkara. Like what if the vex are granted a wish from one of them that lets them simulate or use paracausal forces. Or what if we get to raise of rivens kids and instead of a sparrow we get a dragon mount. That would be sick
to swipe a bit of inspiration from another space series, I think it's time to boldly go where no human has gone before. torobatl and riis might just be steps on that larger journey, perhaps expansion-sized steps. may also be a way to bring mystery back into the series.
I think a civil war-esc story would be interesting, give people the option to either side between the city or the factions/Lysander, make crucible into a battleground where folks pledged to the city are on one side and factions on the other
0:58 opening statement reads like every essay I ever wrote in high school
I would love for Destiny 3 to feature us on the offensive. We take back the Cabal home world. We find and conquer a real home for the Eleksni. We establish a home outside of the Reef for the Awoken. We push the Vex out of Sol, and make them play existential defense for the first time.
Keep up the great work :D
A war against the Vex would be interesting. The place on the other side of the vext portal on Europa would be a cool location. Didnt Bungie basicly say the Vex are just waiting out the Light and Dark saga to see who wins?
Lysander coming back and starting a guardian civil war would be so cool man theres so much they could do with that
Not only could the Ahamkaras could involve the Awoken, but also the Nine, the Aphelion, and possibly the Hive. The Hive could mean Nezarec, the Psions, the Cabal. All three story plots could very much be interwoven into one big giant Destiny 3 story.
I think there's also a possibility we get a Ghaul situation for D3. As in they just invent a new big bad and story. Thing about fiction is you can just create whatever you want as long as it doesn't conflict with existing lore. So it's entirely possible we face a new enemy and story we've not even heard of yet
Before even watching past the first minute of the video, I just wanted to say that I kind of hope Destiny 3, or the events after the final shape, would involve us going out of our home system. It would be kind of how I imagined Destiny all those years ago when I first heard about it. A guardian, a defender of the last city, but also an explorer, heading out on new and old fronts. In the past humanity was beginning to expand through the stars in the golden age, and after this major threat, we might be able to do the same thing again. I don't know if I should say I hope for a No Man's Sky experience, but the idea of going out of our system on to new planets is very appealing
Id personally love to have the Nine as the antagonists for a while. They are so mysterious and just, unknown, that I'd love to see them be the center of something for a change
I love the Destiny franchise, but I also love the Halo universe. Most people would hate this idea, just imagine Master Cheif coming out of portal saying I need a weapon Guardian after we kill the Witness. Then we see wormholes opening and the covenant coming out of those. Or we see our own version of the Cheif in the destiny universe. It'll be a cool idea, I'd prefer for franchise's to stay separate. Personally I'm 50/50 on it
Lets see how things evolve
10:30 what if another way for the Nine to persist,
is to fight us?
this story could be similiar to the hives sword-logic, meaning that the Nine would have to fight us to stay alive.
Something that might be done with Lysander would be setting up shop in a different settlement and inviting the Spider to come live with him, in the process fomenting a schism in House Light.
These stories and lore are really interesting also helps me sleep at night by rewatching some.
The thought of having a campaign where you hunt down the last 7 dragons who are crusading against Sol sounds awesome. Same with assisting in Caiatl in retaking the Cabal home world. The latter sounds more like something we'd get in an expansion. My realistic prediction is that the vex will somehow take center stage at the start of D3, and will start to take the mantel of the "main bad guy force" that I feel like the Hive currently have.
Clovis being the voice of the Vex would be great. Leading an army of Exos and Frames against the Vex would be cool. Ashar Mir would become a major player, maybe making a projection of himself to interact with.
I think there are a few other people should also be of note. In my mind Clovis Bray could become a major antagonist if he is assimilated into the Vex net, and Nokris if he can come back he would probably be the second most powerful hive left in the system now that Xivu Arath is no longer Ascendant
I think that these could both be stories in episodes with Echos focusing on a battle between Clovis and Asher in the Vex net and Nokris gaining control of some hive and taken in Heresy
Heres a potentially crazy “plot twist”… what if the witness going about trying to bring on the Final Shape was just it trying to prepare sol and whatnot for something far worse? The “something far worse” being whats coming in Destiny 3
I'm telling you though... Toland the Taken King.
But yea, the Liberation of Torobatl feels like the best opening shot for a Destiny 3. If anything, the backdrop could be Torobatl and Xivu, with Nezzie showing up to make things worse.
A evil guardian faction would be dope, like the first handful of risen are hunting those that use light or dark, or have the traveler be the good guy and his creator is the real villain
Would love to go through the portal at the end of the Glassway and see the forge star.
I'd definitely love to see more about the Distributary, as well as the Aphelion. I don't remember what Driftor said about the Aphelion exactly, but I remember that when I heard/read about it, I was instantly hooked at whatever these extremely dangerous predators could be
really hoping we will be getting an entire story up to final shape video before it drops 🙏
I still remember a conversation with Savathun during the Season of the Lost. She said something like: Light on the one side, darkness on the other. But if you want to see the truth, you have to look up
Exactly! With the origins of the veil and traveller being so odd, it wouldn't surprise me if something created them or is a whole other party within the game of the larger universe
Love the story and the lore
As you said that about Nezarec and his memories, my mind instantly switched to Final Fantasy 7 Advent Children, the scene where Cloud defeated Sephiroth and Sephiroth said me won't be just a mere memory 🙈
We've fought hive guardians before, I want a boss fight at the end of a good dlc where we fight an ACTUAL guardian, same abilities that we have and stuff.
I still think that a whole dlc should have been dedicated to the slaughtering of Ahamkara. It's a pretty major plot point. That we just skimmed over
A Worthy antagonist could be an Evil Guardian.
Lysander’s sue for peace could be entirely genuine. The government he rebelled against is effectively no more. The 7 headed structure is down to 2 military leaders who are allied with the Awoken and sects of the Cabal and Eliksni
Honestly I would like to see the main plot be centered around the Ahamkara but not in the normal: "Go kill the big bad" kind of story. Like you said, they're shapeshifters, so I like the idea of a single Ahamkara infiltrating the tower akin to Savathun but different enough to fool the tower. After that, it becomes more of a chess match than a fight. Maybe in order to get a leg up on the dragons, we sacrifice The Moon before striking at one of their clutches in retaliation. Either that or we potentially end up tricking one of the Ahamkara into giving up "classified" information about the location of a different Ahamkara, to which we then go and slay it from the deception. I think a more clandestine and wetwork-like approach to that story would work wonders.
The 7 deadly sins of Ahamkara - I'd not be surprised by such a trope. Could be an interesting plot too.
I like the concept of us potentially going against ourselves from a dark timeline via time travel with the crafting thing as i have an idea for retaking and rebuilding torobatl by getting memories of it from other timelines. Now this shouldn't be a main enemy but it would be fun as a one time threat
I would love to see at the end of the final shape there is a big burst of light power sending ghosts all over the universe and in D3 we get more race options for our gaurdian like Cabal, and Eliksni or maybe Hive too