Repotting My Trident Maple, The Bonsai Zone, Feb 2024
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
- In this video I discuss the styling of Trident Maple (Acer buergerianum) bonsai as I root prune and repot my tree. This Maple is from a seed and this is the second root pruning of many more to come!
To see previous videos of this Trident maple tree, click on the playlist here....
• Trident Maple Seedling
#TheBonsaiZone
I appreciate your videos, Nigel…….. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Don’t let anyone try and tell you how you should style your own tree one way or another. You do you! If others don’t like your opinion, they need to remember it’s just an opinion…… thank you for sharing!! Keep up the awesome work, Nigel!!
Your expertise on the development of the root system is very educational. I like the way you get into the root system and are not afraid to tackle the roots no matter how much they are matted. It never ceases to amaze me every time you work on the roots. Every root system is unique and your skills are the best in the bonsai world.
I do agree. 👍
I hope this becomes a fantastic tree some day!!!!
@@TheBonsaiZone Under your care, it will be. 22F/-6C right now by me at 9pm, Saturday night. Definitely tea weather. Stay warm.
Your vision of the way a tree should look like in nature is very wise. Natural features of a tree the way should grow in nature is the best. Bravo on your view and speaking out for this trees!!!!!!!!
I'm going to get a lot of hate for this one!! Thanks Tom!!
Nigel, I respect your opinions. You have more than earned the privilege to express them as you choose. One way I understand bonsai is a set of practices and techniques (the primary one being reduced scale) which allow us humans a more active experience of engaging with a tree’s natural processes. We are never giants who live hundreds of years and they are. There is the awe and a bit of envy.
I love the naturally styled maples. I have many of them. I really enjoy your videos.
The most important lesson I’ve learned regarding repotting is listen to and watch the tree. Put the calendar away. Thanks, keep growing
Thanks Matt!!
Nigel, the drainage scree getting caught in the roots is I think one of the reasons a lot of bonsai practitioners wire the screen into the pot. I do agree with you on the state of most trident bonsais. While some taper is great, the exaggerated taper is unappealing to me.
I have repot my trident every year without fail... they're so vigorous
So true Dave, I hope this one does well!!
@@TheBonsaiZone yes I'm sure it will in your care! The trunk will thicken quickly too.
Oh Nigel, you speaking right out of my soul. My trees are only a few years old. And if someone asks me what are my hobbies, I am ashamed to answer I have bonsay. Because they could have these "cartoonish" style in mind. I am happy that you speak about this topic
I actually get a strange look when people ask what my channel is about. They picture me bending and wiring little Junipers into twisted shapes. I can hear them think, why would someone do that to a tree!!!
I think it's better to say I grow and collect trees!!
You have managed to articulate exactly what has always bothered me about those fat maples. And there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion! Thanks for the inspiration as always!
Nothing but love from me on this video and topic....❤❤❤
Go Trident Maples!!! Be free!!
@Nigel: Art is in the eye of the beholder, and bonsai for sure is an art form, so one can expect to find many examples of such art that one may not acquiesce. Same as you, I do not enjoy those exaggerated trees, but I do honor their makers for really outstanding, albeit "not for everyone" results.
I like tapered maples with ebihara type nebari. Love the way maples look like wax as they melt into the ground.
Great video Nigel! My goal is to make little big trees too. Although sometimes I like to try some "off the wall" stuff. Like my Ent I created with all the Pomegranates I still have. I needed to condense them. My maples will be tribute trees to my father. I definitely want them to look like the trees I got the seeds from. My dad loves trees and forests. Mind you he was a logger, cut and skid for many years, plus hauling and mechanic. Some trees I will never get because I don't like the bonsai version of them. But everyone has different styles and tastes. Bonsai form really has changed and grown in the last even 10 years. Ever evolving....
That is one cool pot for the planting of this tree. I like that back stone. Could be a nice Suiseki Stone. Almost looks like a small mountain setting on an island with the bottom contour coming in to look like a small Alcove in the mountain with water. Cool stone. Just thought it was neat.
The examples for the naturally styled maples where beautiful can't wait to see where your little guy is going
That natural style really inspires me too!!!
I agree with you.. Nigel
Thanks, I like seeing other styles of Trident Maples, not just the same style over and over!!
Awesome root pruning as always 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Love your channel! Thank you for being a good teacher 😊
Thanks Rachel, we can learn from everyone around us!!!
Just to be sure, I am not the same "Bonsai Bob" you guys were talking about... In fact your videos made me grow several jades. Just love them, easy to grow and when you need another one, just stick a cutting or a leaf in a bit of soil, it will go...
At first I thought it was a channel that Jason made up to write negative comments on videos! I'm glad you are a good guy!!!
Not saying I am, but I try...🤪
I've been attempting kalanthroes. (Widows thrills, I can't even say the proper name let alone spell it) They grow a lot like jades. Yet oddly they're sold as tiny little groundling things, then people are shocked when they grow big. But they are much more comparable to jade's in growth
Finally a video where i can say here for the comments...
Great video i can't wait to dig into my trident maples. I planted a few and J. maples last year so I'm excited to see what has survived winter.
Awesome, go Maples!!
Haha yes sir...hope all is well on your side of the lake. Metro Detroit is cold and we can't wait for spring time.
Great video Nigel 👊
Thanks Andy!!!
I agree that many of those fat trunk Trident Maples look quite unnatural. I haven't seen a really ancient specimen in nature yet though.
Nonetheless, they are impressive for what they are, but I think I also prefer them to be a bit more natural. I hope yours will do well!
I've also repotted mine recently and I'm looking forward to seeing what it'll turn in to 🌳
Great episode, Mr. Nigel.
Have you tried propagating from root cuttings?
One aspect I like about your channel is the variety of your bonsai related topics and your little experiments. I'm curious if you can do an experiment this year on propagation via root cuttings from various specimens in your collection.
I accidentally grew more elms after a root pruning. I discard several elm root cuttings on a wet compost pile. Not thinking much of it, I noticed some buds sprouting one day from the pile and realized they were the discarded root cuttings.
Thanks for today's episode.
I'll give it a try!!
I agree 100% with your preference for a natural looking tree.
"Too much agreement kills a chat."- Elridge Cleaver
Awesome
I think exaggerated tapered trunk is comparatively easy to achieve ( by letting tree grow on ground where tree grows vigorously and regular chopping of trunk ).
If we grow in a small pot from begining to end we get more natural looking miniature tree but very slow growing.
nice rootpruning it think with all this new space it haves now again it will grow realy nice 👍 ( i need an update in midsummer)😁
Thanks!!
I bet that lower section of roots would sprout. Id try putting it on a rock and see what happens myself.
Thank you Nigel and keep on inspiring, keep pressing forward.... I owe you a tour of my collection 🎉
Thanks so much Shellon!!!
Thank you for this video, it is a real eye-opener and gives something to think about. More than just a repotting video.
I hope it makes people think, even if they disagree with me, I still hope it made them think!!!
If you've stopped thinking, you haven't thought enough! @@TheBonsaiZone
I wonder if one of those thick roots would sprout another maple if you planted it. Any idea? Just a thought.
Really enjoyed the video Nigel but the comments are like WOW 😮
I knew this would generate a lot of negative feedback for me but I had to say it!
@@TheBonsaiZone it’s called freedom of speech. Well done for voicing your thoughts and opinions.
windy here too!
Just like the comment section, lol!!
Nice video.
Thanks!
Very informative
I completely agree with your vision.
I applaud your comments and totally agree with the over exaggerated trunk thickness. Bonsai should be admiring the natural beauty of nature, in true art form, not unrealistic creations.
Well said!
Respectfully disagree on your take on those style of trees looking "grotesque" and "unrelatable". I can appreciate your love for the naturalist style in your bonsais. However you are style bashing which did make it hard to enjoy this video.
They may be relatable as bonsai, but they don't even come close to looking like a natural tree form. My very point is, you can't bash a natural style because it looks like nature. I am quite willing to bet most people who style their Trident Maples in this exaggerated style, have never looked at what a Trident Maple looks like as a full size tree.
@@TheBonsaiZone People spend decades, time, energy and effort to make those thick looking trunk. You can disagree but those are indeed harsh words. I think many just felt you gave those folks who spend their lives to thicken those trident maple less credit than they deserve. You could've just simply say you dislike that style and move on. Also, I realized most your videos have one pattern. They're 10-30 minutes long just to do one thing. Either root prune most of the roots or all the leaves. You always begin by seemingly selectively prune but everything ends up being pruned. Don't need 10-30 mins to do that especially the trend now is to have shorter videos.
Maybe the shorter quick videos are more your style, but bonsai is a long term creation for people who have patience and this is the audience my videos are for. I feel the cartoon trees give bonsai a bad name, instead of beauty it's turning the hobby into a contest for the most exaggerated unrealistic style trees. It has become the norm to think of bonsai as in this style and it bugs me that trees are now judged on this standard. Trees in nature are beautiful and it's time once again that bonsai reflects this, not the current fashion trend to make trees look ugly. I have many trees that show the long term effects of my selective pruning and they are slowly becoming beautiful, reflective of trees in nature. You can have your own opinion of beauty, but I suggest you look at natural trees more and you will see how these strangely styled bonsai trees are quite bizarre in form and do not reflect the source material of nature.@@jjz3192
@@jjz3192 imagine if bonsai was a trend. We wouldn't have it today because it would have been lost. The trend of minute long videos is designed to give you dopamine hits and keep you doom scrolling so they can feed you advertising. His channel is about him showing us his trees. I have learned huge amounts from Nigel as he talks through his cuts both in root pruning and foliar pruning. He isn't wrong those trees are a caricature of a maple/pine trees. It's ridiculous to think that while a subset of bonsai they became the norm and are used to judge trees.
@@chasingthefish9042 No, I wasn't talking about shorts or 1-2 mins vids. There are many videos out there that are more informative with the same amount of time as Nigel videos. My comment was my opinion to help his channel grow. He has 206K subs after 1.5K videos. That's a slow growth. Of course if he's happy with this number of subs then sure. My original point was his harsh words that discredit the hard work of the Japanese. Like you even mentioned, bonsai isn't a trend. It's an art. There are many forms of art. It's ok to dislike different forms of art!! but we should still respect it (which Nigel did not which his harsh criticism). Besides, you can see that I'm not the only one who felt that way. Anyhow, I get it. Freedom of speech, he can say whatever he wants.
Nigel, how is a maple leafing out in February? Am I missing something? My tridents are still dormant. Thanks!
It because they are in the greenhouse, everything comes into leaf early!
Ahh! That's what I was thinking, but don't they need a minimum amount of hours for dormancy? I have a small greenhouse that I keep heated around 65F for my tropicals. Now I'm thinking of putting my maples in there so I can extend the growing season.I would not have thought of that. Thanks for all you do, Nigel. You are an inspiration to all! @@TheBonsaiZone
Agreed, after years of bonsai I sold off and gave away nearly every tree I owned. I'm completely restarting now and growing only natural looking trees. It's simply a matter of taste, but I do agree with you. Especially when it comes to maples, my favorite
Go with the flow, thanks Gavin!
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Thanks!
Thanks Dave, this cheers me up!!!
What soil are you using/
I love your work mate but sometimes you have to lay off the “cartoon” trees. Some of the pictures you showed were years of hard work and study. I agree that bonsai is art and your taste is a factor but don’t post other people’s trees and rubbish them, you’re way better than that. Love your work though mate, still a big fan!
I agree they are years of work, but the pictures are available on the internet and are out there for anyone to see. I am giving my opinion of the trees style and my point is not to specifically put down individual trees, but the style in general. I don't want to be dishonest on my channel by accepting tree styles that I dislike or not mentioning them. I haven't heard anyone defend this style yet, other than to say that any style should be acceptable. I have explained why I dislike this popular style, I'd like to hear a counter view!
Thanks, good discussion!
You are never dishonest , and I love your work. That’s what drew me to your channel. You are different from most other bonsai channels. Great trees, and a true artist.
👍👌👌
Lol I actually enjoyed your eloquent explanation and appreciate that you've provided examples of both sides of the coin!
I've nothing to complain about because I'm neutral on the subject.
But even if I disagreed with you, I find it ridiculous to suddenly dislike you for stating your opinion on tree styling. Lol Another thing for people to be divided over...people need to quit that!
Keep doing your thing Sir Nigel!!!
While trunk size gives a vision of age, often times the base it isnt proportional to the height (sumo) which looks unnatural
Hi Nigel
This is a great video you know I never thought those maples where cartoonish until today I am new to bonsai and believe that’s how a maple should look like some times I even got discourage thinking I will never get a trunk that size. But with your explanation and pictures I realized that not all maples should look like that ! Thanks Nigel !!
I have never liked the huge trunks you showed. It is difficult to understand how such a tree could even remotely suggest a natural tree. I certainly appreciate your good advice/approach for a natural tree.
Thanks, I guess some people like em big!
Do you repot your maple every year ?
This was after two years!!
Always refreshing to hear Nigel's commentary on maple bonsai. I call those fat trunked highly exaggerated ones Grimms' Tales bonsai, since Walter Pall has already coined the fairytale bonsai. I can appreciate the work and dedication put into them, but consider them the least interesting ones. They just tend to all be all the same. There is room for all kinds of bonsai, personally, I hope to see more trees of a more naturalistic approach.
If people are a part of nature , then a part of nature producing cars , computers and Sumo etc. ...
Yes, in a round about way!
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I'm a total beginner... I just got my first 3 trees last month (Chinese Elm, Trident Maple, Japanese Maple 'Arakawa'... and anothet nice Chinese Elm on the way 😆) so I am probably wrong... but what I've noticed is that almost everyone you ask about thickening the trunk will immediately tell you to plant the tree in the ground and leave it, and won't even cover any alternative method... and as Harry Harrington says - it's not helpful.
Maybe that unhelpful idea being mainstream is what has led to the sumo style becoming mainstream?
I don't mind seeing the odd sumo trunk tree, but when the style becomes the normal, I find it odd!
you people should know that he doesn't hate these trees, he just really dislikes the style and that so many ones are so obsessed with it, you see them at shows 99% and bonsai beginners (and even so called pros) (first) love is this "mainstream" style. i think you should do another video with a tropical tree and talk about how bad this S-shape is, which is imo even worse and unnatural :D
Thanks, so very true and a great suggestion!!!
I agree... i don t like when too much different from nature
If you want to be as naturalistic as possible, you have one thing on nearly all your trees, that is not natural: your branching starts much too high! Please look at trees and see how early they divide compared to their final height. You often have waaay to much trunk before branching starts. :) if you really want to overdo naturalistic style, stop being cartoonish about your trunk without dividing length, thats also grotesque :D thats one thing i also noticed very late in my styling decisions :) ...the paradox thing is, it takes many drastic and artistic styling steps and work to achieve very natural trees, sometimes you go a bit too much which "work what i have." there are two "naturalistic": 1. copy natual trees 1:1. 2: always just work with "what you have." but that method often doesn't create copies of nature trees... you may be one of the most "naturalistic styling" guys out there, but many of your trees are still far off from exact copies of nature.. think about it :D cheers mate.
Generally you want your lowest branches to begin at about 1/3 of the final height of the tree. I will be developing the canopies slowly and carefully into the future and the lowest branch height will make sense eventually!!
Thanks!
very often lowest branches (i mean main branch division, not the horizontal ones) start at even around 1/6 or lower... but yes, i get your point with growing out the canopy, but when you want to have the right proportions you end up with a 80cm+ large tree :D but this is for deciduous trees.. ficus can have any shape in the world and still look natural and fantastic, thats why i love them :D ok except S-shapes xD
i agree with your thoughts on the cartoon looking trees. just not realistic.
Nigel attacking bonsai again 😡
Not all bonsai, just one peculiar style!
Agree. There is a tendency to thicken and twist some species to the point of grotesqueness. Such shapes do not exist in nature.
Thanks, like everything in life, it can all be taken to extremes, some times good, sometimes not so good!
I think you're overdoing your Bonsai style preaching. I appreciate and have the utmost respect for your naturalistic style but doesn't mean that you have to keep poo-pooing these trees that are made with a vision in mind that's not in line with your own.
This type of exaggerated style is just one possible style of an infinite number of styles, yet it's almost all I see. I do think a bonsai needs to look like a tree, nature is where we get our inspiration from. These style of trees are just bizarre and don't look like any tree I've ever seen.
What is the purpose of bonsai, is it a contest for the fattest root base, the most tapered trunk, the most un realistic branches?
I think it is to remind the viewer of the beauty and fragility of nature.
Then y do you call your channel the bonsai zone if you are just doing the clip and grow
Well now a days and most of the videos on CZcams, people wiring and bending every other tree they have. If that is normal then this can be too.
@@TheBonsaiZone Surely it is possible to practice and even advocate for a naturalistic style without calling the alternative "grotesque," "cartoon-like," and "ugly."
@@pauleckersley9531 Clip and grow is still a method of pruning without needing to use wires for the aesthetic appearance of old and twisting branches. The method of pruning does not negate the fact that he still performs the act of bonsai itself.
For every art form there is someone to appreciate it. I happen to like your approach. Just looks more natural. To be fair, I am not a fan of the grotesque pines and junipers either. In nature, they are a rarity and not always healthy. I think they look better on the mountain in craggy rocks than in town in small pots. Just saying. No doubt that will trigger some negative comments!!!
Thanks!!
you talk about wanting a more realistic style. the way a maple grows can vary considerably from one condition to another. to your credit I personally think those trees with trunks as thick at the tree is high look ugly.
They are perhaps more a Ficus style.
I very much argee with the style of the maple. Should be free to move not to be style in a......expensive way.
Most maples in nature are smooth and flowing at their prime, not short and stumpy!
@@TheBonsaiZone 100%. 😁
You are right, this will get a lot from the haters, but I guess that is just their way of disagreeing with someone. Often the sumo trunk tridents look like they are trying to be black pines, I am not sure what the black pines are being, though! John Naka famously said to make your bonsai look like trees, not your trees look like bonsai. I suspect that over the decades that the West has followed bonsai; these trees now represent what a "bonsai" should look like. It is a style, and certainly not to everyone's taste.
Your repotting videos always give me itchy fingers and I have to restrain myself - mid-summer is not repotting season!!
3:51 I agree with you and, @user-mb2qe7on4t. Agree about the short, very thick trunk tress. That’s not what I’m looking for. The same goes for the large, plate-like, fused, solid nebari root bases seen in some bonsai specimens; not my idea of beauty.
"There all exact copies of each other" That's Japan and people eat it up.
I heard a story once that the blossom tree varieties in Japan were nearly bred out of existence in the interest of conformity and perfectionism. But a grower in Japan and a man in London both worked together to preserve the various varieties, which is why we still have so many today
I personally dont like sumo either... i mean.. i appreciate the work those trees take and the time... but the branches always look disproportionate...
Yes, they remind me of a snowman, little sticks coming out of the body!
They look like mushrooms 🍄
They often don't look like trees.
I agree with u nigel. And when u look at exhibitions u barely ever see a broom style maple. Seems like a broom style or even natural style just doesnt make it in shows as much. It goes the same for y isnt there any varigated or reticulated maples out there. So i started making exotic maple bonsai. They will prob never get into a show but who cares they look amazing. Y are the exotic maples shunned upon at shows. Cause the tradition is to have a tree thats not so flashy? Some tridents look fine but not every maple has to have the pine look. And the fat stumpy ones to me just look like a big chop with branches , but as the say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 🦴👁🔛!
Thanks Chris, it's nice to see a variety of species and styles!!!