“Scientific” Mesh Head Test
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2017
- The most accurate mesh head test on CZcams! Check out my comparison video of the Jobeky Try-Ply, drum-tec Basic, Design Series and real feel mesh head.
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1. drum-tec real feel (3 ply): goo.gl/cb6RPV
2. drum-tec Design Series (2 ply): goo.gl/wszHdD
3. Roland MH & PowerPly: amzn.to/2BZPAvY
4. Jobeky Try Ply: goo.gl/iJgam8
5. Drum-tec Pro (1ply): goo.gl/6oVtCF
6. drum-tec Basic (1 ply): goo.gl/zkzhTs
7. Remo Silentstroke (1ply): goo.gl/1k9ZfL
Music: www.davidhilliardmusic.com/
Related Videos:
► Mesh Head Test: • Mesh Head Test (E-drums)
► Jobeky Mesh Review: • Jobeky Mesh Head - Test
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1. drum-tec real feel (3 ply)
Rebound: 7/10
Noise: 6/10
Hot Spotting: 8/10
Quality: 9/10
The rebound is very good, especially when tensioned tighter. It is noisy in comparison to other mesh heads. It reduces hot spotting when tuned tight.
The quality is good, but not perfect, as there are sometimes treads at the hoop.
2. drum-tec Design Series (2 ply)
Rebound: 6/10
Noise: 7/10
Hot Spotting: 7/10
Quality: 9/10
The rebound is better than the Roland Powerply and Roland MH Series rebound. Therefore it is slightly noisier. How spotting is more reduced than with a Roland head, as the drum-tec mesh material is not as stretchy.
3. Roland MH & PowerPly (2 ply)
Rebound: 5/10
Noise: 8/10
Hot Spotting: 6/10
Quality: 10/10
The Roland PowerPly series mesh head is exactly the same head as the known Roland MH head, except that the PowerPly is offered in more sizes.
It is not too noisy but in terms of rebound and hot spotting, not as good as the drum-tec Design Series 2 ply head.
Quality Wise, it is the best mesh head but it comes at a price. (Very expensive)
4. Jobeky Try Ply
Rebound: 5/10
Noise: 9/10
Hot Spotting: 5/10
Quality: 6/10
The Jobeky Head is quieter than the Roland mesh with a similar rebound than Roland. Hot spotting can become an issue because the material is very stretchy.
Out of the box, the head does not really have the form of a drum head, it is very short and the hoop is very small. The material is smooth and feels like cloth.
5. Drum-tec Pro (1ply)
Rebound: 9/10
Noise: 2/10
Hot Spotting: 9/10
Quality: 10/10
This mesh head is a kind of hybrid between mesh and millar head. The mesh strings are really thick and make the head very loud. It is as realistic as a real head in terms of rebound. It is not stretchy, therefore reduces hot spotting. These heads are made for sets that are placed in a garage or somewhere where noise is no issue.
6. drum-tec Basic (1 ply)
Rebound: 3/10
Noise: 7/10
Hot Spotting: 4/10
Quality: 9/10
The best “normal” one ply head on the market, not as stretchy as the Remo Silent Stroke. It is really quiet if used with the right shells. 1 ply heads cannot be tuned well, so the hot spotting and rebound is an issue.
7. Remo Silentstroke (1ply)
Rebound: 2/10
Noise: 9/10
Hot Spotting: 3/10
Quality: 10/10
This head is the 1-ply version of the Roland mesh head. It is stretchy but very quiet. The quality is outstanding. The rebound is unrealistic.
8. Millenium QuieHead (2ply)
Rebound: 3/10
Noise: 7/10
Hot Spotting: 4/10
Quality: 5/10
This is by far the cheapest mesh head on the market (14” costs 15€). The material is not white, but transparent and logo is very ugly. The head is too short, meaning it is flat and does not have the form of a drum head out of the box. The rebound is not great and it is stretchy.
9. 682 XS Pro Mesh Head (2ply)
Rebound: 2/10
Noise: 9/10
Hot Spotting: 3/10
Quality: 5/10
Cloth style head that is too bouncy and stretchy but very quiet. I would not recommend buying it. Almost every other head is better. The only good thing about it is that you cannot look through.
Incredible!
Yes
great video, finally a proper test with accurate measurements
Mathew M. Thanks, I tried my best to really proof the difference. I should have done it with different tensions though.
You need to compare this to the yamaha silicone pad head, ask a store to collaborate with them. This will help the e-drum community *tons*
This is what I have been looking for, you did a masterful job
At last a test that gives you the actual gap beetween every MH types. Thanks !! One that would show how loose the tension should be on the differents MH to approach a mylar rebound would be icing on the cake 😁
Loose tension means less accurate triggering. So I thought I leave it at one stronger tension.
Very interesting. Well done video. Love the control of the variables. I recently replaced some very old but still functioning Roland heads that came on my TD9 with the drumtec real feels. Funnily when I cranked the snare as tight as I was willing to go I started to get some serious hot spotting issues, which I honestly never noticed with my roland two ply. I replaced the trigger cones a while back but the roland heads were still fine after that. I backed off the tightness of the real feels and it's made it better. Not sure why. I'd prefer to have it tighter. Anyway....I do like the feel of them, but to be honest I don't notice a huge difference. They are nice and white though! lol.
This channel is pure gold!!!!
Great work - very precise!!
Well done!
hey super video thanks, so much information. Have you tried to put some dampening/foam inside the shell to reduce some of the rebound? though the drumtec Real has the less rebound of the lot, it has a lot of rebound compared to the real head - i wonder if there is a way to make it even more realistic. Also, have you noticed a difference between a 12, 13 and 14"? i don't care so much for my toms but for the snare i want to convert one of my snares to electronic and can't decide which side is the best (maybe 13)
Hey, what's your experience with impact noise (like vibration transferring to the floor - and to the neighbours)?
What's less impact noise - VDrums or Acoustic drums w/ mesh heads? Pls help!
Excellent video. Thank you for taking the time to make it
Thank you for watching:D
Awesome testing :) thanks for sharing
Excellent video.
Fantastic video! great job.
Another solid video with REAL information! Thank You for all the time & hard work you put into these!
And your narration sounds absolutly fine, tho I DO miss your girlfriends sign off LOL! LOL!
Haha, well I can ask her to do some voice overs only for you:)
Man this is awsome. Good work.
Wow!!! Thank you very much! Great work.
You really put so much work in your every video and they are very helpful!
I have been using drum tec design series for about 2 years now with my ekit. They are really great and durable. A bit louder than Roland, but the feel is quite good and not too far from acoustic drums.
One thing that I have started to wonder, can the amount of foam in the middle change the amount rebound noticeable, for example having a cone or a flat larger foam under the head?
KrideDrummer Thank you! Good question, but I doubt that can. Look at how big the dampening cushions of the Roland Kick pads are. You need a lot of material to damped.
Fantastic work, Dr. Price ;) I still wonder how Billy Blast would fit in your ranking though, I should send you one. ;) Anyway, I should go for a real-feel mesh from drum-tec as well. Thanks for this video.
Mike Luke Thanks Mike, I am curious about the Billy Blast head too. BTW, the real feel can be bought without print.
Very smart demonstration!
Put a piezo sensor in and measure again. The mechanical coupling of the sensor to the mesh head will affect the results dramatically.
Amazing video! Love science!
That IS some scientific stuff... congratz, well done
I got a question for you, do you think a one ply mesh head is enough for an 8 inch kick pad? Do you think it will last? I punched a hole in my 2ply one but that one was from millenium so I'd asume its not very good, it lasted a year, I'm getting a Roland one ply now, is it suitable for a couple months? For a hard hitter that is
i built an e-bass drum today. I made it out of a 14 inch wood snare drum using the pearl jungle adapter. But the Rebound is to strong and the bass drum is also retriggering after touching the meshhead again. do you have any tips? i'm thinking about getting a 3 ply mesh head would be better.
Great video! We do some tips-and-tricks videos so we know that was a dead-boring day of filming but THANK you for sticking with it! We found it very scientific. ROKKON \m/
Thnx for this video it made my decide a meshhead finally :)
Very good comparison video..
And good timing. I did get a set of 2 -ply Drum-tec for my conversion and love them. Feel great and good response. I can se through them just a bit.
I made the mistake of not ordering a Kick mesh head, to thinking I could order it later. Drum-tec will not fulfill orders to US under $200. So I need to look more local. Jobeky is across the way too. Too expensive to ship.
Kevin Vitale Well, the kick mesh does not play a big role if you use a good dampened system, but they are also all from Germany:)
great job!
The Billy blast heads are well-made. But the mesh snags very easily. And it is overly bouncy.
65 Drums These heads look like what you said from watching Drumangles old videos. I needto test them. My guess: Still not as good as drum-etc. Real Feel.
excellent experiment !!
Gary Pugh Thanks Gary!
Great job, a very good very good methodic!
great work. Would you do a test of standard e-drum mesh heads from the popular manufacturers like alesis/yamaha/roland to compare the different out of the box meshes ?
I would, but I guess that they are not much different to a Remo Silent Stroke. Almost all one ply heads are identical.
Great content! Congrats!!!
Thank you for this video.
I use 2-ply DDT skins.
But I have a few hotspots.
How is it in comparison to Roland MH?
I have not tested the Roland MH.
This is quite similar to the Drumtech Design Series.
Thank you very much, that helps. Exactly the way, one should do it. but I cannot find the Jobeky try ply anymore for buying, as in my case, noice is very important. But You brought me away from buying the expensive remo stuff :D
Perfect test Thank you 🔥🔥🔥👌🤘
excellent job!!!!
those reel feel heads are the truth. i was sketpical since theyre expensive to ship to the united states but it was well worth it. these heads are quieter and feel way better than my old remo silent strokes and billy blast heads.
Austin Paz Told Ya:D Yes they are a completely different dimension:)
im glad i saw your video! i just need to figure out the best cymbal replacement for my roland cymbals. please do a review on the jobeky dark bronze and the ATV cymbals ;)
are the real feels too loud for an apartment?
Cam Par It depends. If you use them with a shell that has a resonant mesh head like I do, they are not too noisy.
you mean putting mesh heads on the bottom of the shell too?
Amazing work! You sound exactly like Julian Krause, who is reviewing audio interfaces and stuff. :D
Hello, is the real feel mesh headsd works fine on Roland pads ? Like PDA100L and PDA120L for exemple
..perfect job!!
addthisto Thanks, but perfect would be a test of all mesh heads with differently tightened heads. Just don't have the time and recourses for that.
Hey Vdrum Tips, I just recently got into the market of electronic drums and i was wondering what are your thoughts on the Roland TD9SX? I know it was discontinued, but im just curious if its still worth buying used.
C Bee definitely. The TD- 9 is a great module and almost all components of this kit are still used by the new Roland kits. But make sure you do not pay too much for it.
I found a used TD9SX for $899, but i couldn't find the original price for the drum kit itself so I dont know if thats a good price for it or not.
Well, I think the price is ok. Could be better though.
Thanks!
Dam Clever!
EdrumSense Thanks, my drum stick has a hole now :D
Just be sure it is not a Black hole xD
Hey man, would any of these heads be better for reducing bass drum re-triggering? Specifically for a DIY set up that uses the Silent Stokes?
RcK DrUmm3R Yes, the less rebound, the less retriggering. Retrigger cancel of the module does help too.
Vdrum Tips As always, love the videos and support!!
Apart from the rebound so 2 or 3 ply heads result in more accurate triggering?
Me parece muy interesante estas pruebas que hace, pues demuestra lo que yo llevo diciendo toda la vida, que un parche de malla rebota el doble que un parche normal, (por no hablar tambien del la diferencia de tacto), para mi estos parches resultan completamente perjudiciales para luego tocar en una bateria real. Me gusto mucho este video, un saludo!!!
Hi V drum tips, what would you recomend to reduce hotspots on my roland td30k ?? drum tec real feels or the drum tec pros ?
The drum-tec Real Feel. However, the hot spot will be reduced, but not be gone. The 6 tuning screws are not strong enough to build up a lot of tension.
Vdrum Tips i see, how about the drum tec pro 1 plys ?
would the bounce be different with wooden tip sticks instead of nylon tip?
STICKYHOUSE Only if the weight distribution of the stick is different. But generally no.
Is there any way I could mount a Roland CY-5 cymbal to an acoustic hi-hat stand?
EpochStudios Yes, with the original cymbal mounts that come with the CY-5 on a set. But I would not do it. Instead I would sell the CY-5 and the pedal and buy a second hand VH-11.
I would not say that's it's a safe assumption to conclude that the 3 ply PD-140DS is similar to Remo silent stroke. In fact it has less rebound than the the drum tec. I'm sure this is due to the "floating" layer between 2 plys. It's absolutely the most realistic. Unfortunately I have been unable to locate any replacements as of yet. Again putting drum tec ahead, albeit by default…
Graviton 9 The Roland 3 ply mesh has 3 layers of Reno silent stroke. The drum-etc. 3 ply has 3 layers of drum tec mesh, which is better and stronger. So the drum-tec 3 ply is still the better mesh head.
thanx for applying a little scientific methodology to this
Is it possible to use a cy-5 as a ride cymbal?
yes
I think the test would be even better if you could try and lower the tuning to see if any head could be matched similar to an acoustic
What's better a td 25 or td 20? Thanks
They are both electronic drum modules.
Hey sehr gute Arbeit, genau wie deinen anderen Videos... ich schreib einfach mal auf deutsch, weil ich deinen Akzent raus höre ;)
Ich habe eines meiner akustischen Sets nach Anleitung umgebaut. ;)
Und überlege jetzt welche Felle ich nehmen soll?
Für die Snare hätte ich an das Real Feel gedacht.
Für die Toms überlege ich Remo Silentstroke oder was anderes in der Preisklasse (QuiHead)
weil 4 Toms (10,12,14,16) mit Real Feel geht ein bisschen ins Geld.
Als Reso sollte man da auch ein Mesh Head nehmen oder gar keins oder ein normales Reso Fell?
Wäre schön wenn du mir bei der Entscheidung mit deiner Erfahrung helfen kannst! ;)
Sebastian Kraft Hi Sebastian, danke erstmal. Als Rest Fell immer ein mesh head, sonst wird’s laut. Ansonsten kann ich weder Remo Silentstroke noch Qie Head empfehlen. Bevor du dein Geld dafür verschwendest schau Leiber mal auf Ebay Kleinanzeigen nach ordentlichen gebrauchten Mesh Heads.
@@Vdrumtips1, danke für die schnelle Antwort.
Also auf die Toms ein Hochwertiges Fell und als Reso würden aber preisgünstigere gehen?
Hatte halt an die Silentstroke oder QuiHead gedacht, weil die bei Thomann so gut bewertet sind?!
Aber schön das man von einen Profi mal Feedback bekommt! Danke noch mal!
@@Vdrumtips1 kannst du mir Bitte noch hier die Frage wegen den Reso Fellen beantworten? :)
Ja klar, ein Preiswertes reicht. Es geht nur darum dass die Hütte hinten zu ist :D
Can't get drumtech heads in canada so i use 2 ply roland heads,they are pricey but well made and have the right amount of rebound
drum-tec ship to Canada. Sadly, the shipping costs would make swapping out just the snare head for a RealFeel head pretty much pointless.
demonocus drumocus I would probably but Roland heads too if I could not get drum-etc.
Thank you for the excellent video. How bout a Bass Drum head? 2 ply or 3 ply?
depends on the trigger/dampening system. A kick with a good dampening system can do with a 2 ply head.
on one of your videos you replied to a comment and told them the drumtec design was your favourite...
Cam Par That has changed, since I am using EZD2 and need to reduce the hotspot. Therefore the 3ply head is necessary. But overall the 2 ply drum-tec head is one of my favourites (considering price, value, material all together).
Vdrum Tips what is a hot spot?
Cam Par The trigger cone in the middle is very sensitive and sometimes generates a peek signal. A strong mesh head will spread this attack point and reduce this hot spot.
Vdrum Tips what happens when a peak signal is generated?
Cam Par I would suggest to google it. You will find a lot of information in e-drum forums.
a "money is no object" approach. Is the exponential increase in price commensurate with the actual playability? I think no, especially when getting these products in USA is not possible.
You took a physics course (or two) in your youth ;)
It sucks that you can't buy Drum-tec Design heads or the Jobeky's on Amazon.
You can buy them directly
Do you like anime, I see some manga books in the back, also nice vid
So what would the "right" shells be for silence? You don't mention that :oP
Can you let me know at what minute of the video it is mentioned?
It's in the text at 7:01 . At 8:27 you mention the noise is depended on the shell and right after you mention you can make a loud mesh head quiet if you use the right shell and a resonant head.
So I was just wondering what kind of shell to use. And also, is the resonant mesh head a special resonant mesh head or just any mesh head?
Oh, yes, a closed shell with a resonant mesh head keeps the noise down. Even with a loud mesh head.
Great! Does the size or material of the shell make any difference? I mean I suppose a larger shell means more sound, but how much and does it matter if it's wood, plastic or metal?
yes, the deeper the shell, the more noise. The bigger the shell the more low noise. The material of the shell does not matter if it cannot resonate. Each material can be good, if you prevent it from swinging and producing noise.
Does anyone know how stick weight plays a part in the amount of rebound? I think lighter sticks rebound less and therefore might be better for electronic drummers. Can anyone vouch for this & does anyone else prefer maple sticks over hickory for this reason? Maybe it's a topic for another Vdrum Tips video?
Not stick weight but stick taper (how gradual the stick becomes thinner towards the tip). A stick with less taper (one that has almost the same thickness across the whole stick, only thinking short of the tip) will provide less rebound than a stick that tapers earlier.
"Unrealistic" rebound... The mistake here is the urge to force an electronic kit to be an acoustic one. They are not identical. They are what they are individually.
It's not a mistake. It's a choice. If you want electronic drums to have a unique feel that's awesome, but the majority of drummers want The acoustic feel :)
Ralph Gehteha Well, I disagree. An e-drummer is made to mimic an acoustic set. Most drummers play e-drums because it is a cheap alternative to a real kit, that is not disturbing to others. Therefore the e-drum manufactures goal is to make it realistic (Roland TD-50, Pearl Mimic). Referring to e-drums as another instrument comes usually as a justification for low quality gear.
@@Vdrumtips1 "cheap alternative" *mentions TD-50*