The Great 8.8
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- čas přidán 5. 01. 2022
- Steve examines a Ford 8.8 inch rear axle. But what’s that goofy cast iron dumbbell bolted to the housing? You’ll know after watching. Plus the history of this replacement for the mighty Ford 9-inch axle.
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The dog strolling back and forth paying Steve no mind was cracking me up.
He used to him being there
Love the puppy mutt making cameo appearances behind Steve! 😂
He seems to be on a mission!
Junkyard dog..
I like the dog making a cameo, just trotting back n forth.
Doggo photo bomb was great!
I drive trucks, and listened to about 10 episodes of his podcast this guy is the ultimate car nerd
He also speaks at the Barrett jackson auction. Very knowledgeable guy. I would love to sit in a garage full of old cars and listen to him talk.
Mags will take your “ultimate car nerd” comment as a great compliment!
Man, those 5.0 badges are worth some cash! Boy! What a great time in history when those 5 Liter Fox's ruled the streets! Ohh, they still do ! Great channel Steve! Keep making videos! Love the "owner" walking back and fourth in the back ground keeping a watchful eye on his yard...
I can't get over how much this guy knows about vehicles
I first went to this yard 30+ years ago, the owner "Bud" was a great guy. Most recently in November 2021 , I was there getting parts for a project and dealing with the late "Buds" son, Dale, he is an awesome guy too, I really enjoy going there Dale is very knowledgeable and fair and just a plain old GOOD person !!
Show him a bolt amd he will tell you the make and model! Lol
Dog: "Let me go handle my business down the road."
Thirty seconds later...
Dog: "Yeah, I got my money."
Junkyard 🐕 is neat addition to your video: Thanks for sharing your adventures: Learning a great deal of information.
Who doesn't love the mighty 8.8.....as ubiquitous at the track as on the street.
Never cease to be amazed by this man's knowledge. Thx.
Awesome Steve,the dog running around was awesome to see as well
You are great , I’m sure you could talk about a lug nut for an hour !!
As a Dodge guy, you have taught me a thing or 2 about this Ford diff!
That dog looked like he had a job to do!
I remember seeing this guy wayyy back in I think 01 ,at U pick Parts in Sun Valley ,I always liked his how to episodes,
That dog was on a mission! 🤣
love the appearance of the junk yard dog keeping an eye on the place.
Sorry Steve. The pup stole the show. :D
Guard dog doing his job in the background
That dog is on point.
I love that 5-lug rims in background
Fun fact. The 7.5 and 8.8 28 spline axle shafts interchange. In the same width housing.
Steve, the junk yard dog in this video was hilarious!!
I like the way you inhaled at the end. You get more info out in a single breath than many people do in a whole conversation
Those tuned mass dampers used to drag in the snow banks here in Quebec like a ripper on a dozer!
Amen bro from Montreal
@@MichaelandCathy1999 514, we know snow!
Somebody give that dog a treat!
I love these videos Steve is so insightful its very interesting just listening to the knowledge he has.
I've been running Ford 8.8's since the late 80's and still have not had one fail yet.
Great Info.!
Don't mind me just passin' thru! 🐶
8.8 is a strong piece. I swapped out the 8.25 that came in my 87 Dakota for an 8.8 from a 98 Ranger Splash. The 8.8 was 4” narrower and gave me more options for parts as well room for some front spacing on wheels
Steve is awesome, he is a true expert...
I love the cameo shots of the dog running back and forth
I've got an old f150 with an 8.8 under the back, it's got 380,000 km on it and it's all original, other than a lot of spider gear wear from one tire burnouts it's still holding up fine
Wow! Your knowledge on automotive is amazing! That’s great to know and learn about!👌😎👍
Great information, as usual, Steve!
like the canine cameo
I love your channel Steve!!!!! I learn so much it's awesome!!!
On that mass damper, I was told by an old guy it was to add a little weight to one side of the differential so the cars with a light ass end didn't wind up with too much wheel hop on one side. IOW, a fine tuning of weight distribution from left to right. Actually, for un-sprung weight of the dif itself.
Great Video your knowledge is amazing I always learn something from you keep up the great work
300M Special at 1:41 in the background. Silver car. Second time ones popped up in the background of your junkyard vids. 👌🏻
Just popped on to say this....They are pretty rare cars to begin with and now he's had 2 in the background.
@@PeterBellefleur I had a black 2002 Special. Great car.
Good man mag, hell yeah, got one over in the valley now
We always called that Damper on the 8.8 a Dog Bone, lol.
I initially thought the dog wandering around in the video was just Steve's junkyard dog, but now I know he was waiting for the dog bone.
Very interesting, well done Steve!
I haven't learned so much about a rear end since high school.
Steve, the dog running by photobombed you! Great video sir, I enjoy them all.
These were under the Ford explorer with disc brakes and some sort of posi Trac device set up for 31 spline axles. My buddy put the internals, brakes and aftermarket axle shafts in his fox mustang for a brake, axle shaft, and limited slip upgrade as well as a five lug swap. The front end of a 95 mustang upgraded the front of his Fox body as well. Pretty slick.
The dog is awsome. Oh so was the information on the 8.8 LOL
Get well Steve...!
Always a good speaker.
The 8.8 was also available in independent rear suspension format in the mn12 chassis cars. (89-97 cougar, thunderbird)
Also in Explorers/Mountaineers with IRS.
Love your work!
Wow I always wondered what that dangly thing was for I have seen on some drivelines. Tuned Damper. I love the learning Steve gives.
While working at the old Ford plant in Norfolk, I noticed these huge cylinders bolted to the upside down frames going down the F150 line. At first I thought they were mufflers but saw they weren't being connected to the exhaust pipes further down the line.
Finally I broke down and asked a Ford employee about them. That's when he told me they were vibration dampers.
Excellent video.
Another awesome video...
Great knowledge! thanks for sharing.
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5.14! Holy wah! That's the light to light king gear! Definitely not for highway! Lol
Never came in rangers until the 4.0 v6 came around in 91 and even then the ranger axles are still 28 spline axle shafts like the previous 7.5 and i believe the 28 spline shafts are interchangeable between the 2
Its grand daddy was the WER 8.5 inch axle first used in 67/68 small block Galaxies. Also later used in Granadas. All bearings and seals are the same. Soon, I will attempt to put 3.73 Trac-Lok 8.8 guts into my 68 WER axle. Hope it works, I'll let you know.
My 96 Buick Roadmaster sedan had a weighted bracket hanging from the passenger side of the factory stainless steel dual exhaust near the catalytic converter. I didn't notice any difference after removing it. But I'm sure the Flowmaster 40 series mufflers covered up any noise
The 8.8 was always a stout piece. And the aftermarket for them is strong as well of course. LOTS of guys have 8.8’s that are decently built living behind 9 and 10 second cars.
Having said that, I blew one up that was decently upgraded behind a near stock 01 cobra engine haha. I think the guy who set it up didn’t know what he was doing
People used to swap these from explorers into YJ and TJ’s that came with the craptastic Dana 35c.
The 8.8 has taken the place of the 9 inch, 12 bolt and 8 3/4 rear axles for guys building hot rods. Those older axles are getting more rare every day and the 8.8 has good gear ratios and many are limited slip so it makes them a budget choice. The 9 inch can be built to be almost indestructible but for reasonably powered cars the 8.8 is good enough. And the 12 bolt features an 8.875 ring gear and the 8 3/4 Mopar is of course 8.75. They all have similar stem pinion diameters as well making them similar in strength.
The 9" was much better in every way except weight. I've never seen a 9" rear worn out unless it was run dry but I've seen plenty of dead non-abused always maintained 8.8's with gears that looked like a pit bull's chew-toy. They might be the best made today but the 8.8 is a POS in comparison to the 9" rear.
I think the 8.8 is the descendent of the Ford 8.5" axle found in 1979 to 1982 Panther platform cars like the LTD
Got one in my 07 Town Car!
As am I, and I appreciate him
Best channel on youtube right here.
This and that soap opera The old Man's Garage.
Great stuff thanks ...
Ford also utilized the same 8.8 ring and pinion in the 2002 and up Explorer and Explorer SportTrac utilizing full independent suspension.
I didn't know those were IRS. Very cool! I had a weird idea for Sport Trac's a while back. Shorten the frame, slam it, shorten the bed down to about 1.5 - 2 feet, weld up the tail lights openings and create external bumper mounted lights, Narrow the front engine compartment down like a Plymouth Prowler. Basically make it look like a modern version of a model A rat rod. With all the modern interior and comforts.
Man, those rear coil springs liked to break in those irs explorers!
@@mccoma11 springs break on everything if you try hard enough.
Tore up said few off roading, switched to 9" rear and 73 -79 44 live axle then to a sterling and a converted 60 front .. Never broke anything again
My guess is early exploder. With the drums, speed sensor, and sway bar.
I said the same ol steve dont know it all lol id take him on in a debate
Correct. Pre-96 technically.
A buddy has an 8.8 in a full weight ‘66 Coronet, 440, 727, drag radials, runs 11.50s @ 116. He did upgrade the axles but the center section is hangin’ in there, so far, fingers crossed lol!
They also come in IRS in many rwd and 4wd Fords.
That ABS sensor also is vital for proper transmission shifting of E40D equipped trucks.
Panther platform cars (Crown Vic etc) also ran the 8.8, triangulated 4 link until 2003 and then parallel with a watt's link. I think the ears are different than on a Fox but I could be wrong.
don't forget the panther cars that came with them. my 98 town car has disc brakes + 4 link sus on a 3.08 8.8
That is actually a explorer rear end recognized via the anti sway bar
It is an Explorer but not due to the rear bar, some Rangers had a rear bar also.
The give away that it is Explorer are the leaf spring pads under that axle This was done because Explorers had more of a straight rail frame ( sort of like a box truck ) in order to lower the rear floor. Rangers had a frame that went up in the rear and leaf springs on top of the axle. In order to get ride heights correct the axle went under / over the springs.
@@bobroberts2371 thats awesome. now I can pinpoint that I have a ranger 4x4 axle.
@@AaBb-zj2ld What year Ranger ? The original Ranger 83 to 12 or so used spacer blocks to make a 2 wd axle fit a 4 wd .
Look at the rust up there, wooo. That's probably all that's left of that truck?
I grab these out of the 1997-2002 Ford Explorer and shorten the driver's side axle tube, put another passenger side axle in and you end up with a nice width rear for early Camaros, Falcons, and in my case `1986-1993 Mazda B series pick-ups! :) Popular gear ratios are 3:73 & 4:10 and most were POSI's
I’ve got one with 3.73’s and a posi, bought it for $200. I’m going to put it in my 68 dart😁.
I left mine full with fits perfectly in my g body I also run a 28 10.5
Anyone make 8.8 irs stub shafts so you could swap them in a vette or jag?
Also a popular swap for the Jeep YJ with the Dana 35 rear end. Easy way to get a stronger axle with disc brakes.
I did the same thing, got one with 3.73’s and a posi. I shortened the drivers side axle tube 3” and ran two passenger side axles. It’s been great in my LS powered S10 for 5 years now!
The Ford 8.8 was a only axle that I've seen where the spider gears are completely worn out by 150,000 miles.
Any axle will if you never change oil
Sounds like someone was doing lots of one wheel burnouts. If one wheel is allowed to free spin those spider gears start flying around like crazy. Otherwise under normal driving they only turn when navigating turns at a speed relative to the difference between the inside and outside tire.
@@rustedratchetgarage6788 I've seen 50+ year old axles with their original fluids still, and they're still going.
@@geoffmooregm I doubt my 65 year old insurance salesman dad is doing a lot of burnouts in his trucks, but okay.
@@danielc5205 yessir,,, I have a 64 Dodge Polara that my Dad bought in 1980 from a farmer who bought it new, and the car is all original. We cleaned it up and detailed it in 1980, and because it was so clean underneath, we just hosed it down with wd40 after brushing off all cobwebs,,, and it has been to Orlando a couple of different times, as well as Mackinaw City probably 8 or 9 times, all on family vacations. It has never had the pumpkin out of the rear axle housing,, and has never lost an axle seal. All I have done is pull the plug and dip a fingertip in the lube, to be sure it's still there.
To my knowledge, it's still running on the lube it rolled off the assembly line with. It's been over the horizon on the odometer once, and shows 85k on the second time around.
I am now wondering if I drain it and spray it out with kerosene and recharge it with Royal Purple 85w175,,, if it won't start leaking just days later....
the 8.8 is the go to upgrade for a S10 V8 using one from explorer almost direct bolt in except for bolt pattern on wheels
A common swap is the Explorer 8.8 into many different Jeeps, including my 98 5.9 limited.
I love 8.8s they made me alot of money
Everybody brags about the 8.8 Ford rearend, but it no stronger than the GM 8.5 ten bolt or the 8.875 twelve bolt rearends. All three rearends use the same bearings, and will pretty much take the same beating when set up correctly.
The 8.8 is the LS of rear ends. Ford put them in everything, they’re cheap, and hold a good amount of power for not much money. That’s why everyone brags about them.
The ones in late 90s v8 explore is the best to use for jeeps. They have disc braks 35 splin count and limited slips and are only 3/4" narrower the the dana 35. Yes its a c- clip axle but the axle shaft is about as strong as a dana 60 but plug weld the the axle tube to the housing it likes to slip when running big tires. But I ran 37 with no problem with one in a jeep.
This whole video I was thinking about how he should throw the 8.8 in the red XJ behind him
31 spline was the most out of the factory
Newer explorer 8.8s are 31 spline and disc brakes. Very popular for jeep swaps
I put an 8.8 in my AE86. Great axle.
Looks like the dog forgot where he last used that 15mm 6pt socket? 🐕
Nice dog.
my Corvair convertible has corner weights which I now know are tuned mass dampers
Most 8.8 rear end are 28 spline small bearing. The explorer 8.8 is 31 spline large bearing.
Good one
They are good axles. Like it's Chevy counterpart the only strike against it is the C-Clip axles. While ok for street use they are not a favorite of off roaders and banned in several racing classes. But because this axle was so plentiful and cheap and came with disc brakes and a limited slip if you knew where to look it got a lot of love and support because Dana 44's were a big rip off.
That dog was showing off his rear end 🤭
What makes the 9er tough also makes it inefficient. The way the pinion engages the ring takes more power to drive. Ford ditched the 9er for fuel mileage; not necessarily for weight, though that was a bonus also.
I remember reading articles in car mags about calculating hp at the wheels and the 9 inch was mentioned specifically as consuming 5% with other contemporary rear ends consuming 2-3% IIRC.
I'll take the extra 2% parasitic draw, just my 2¢.
@@jasonsellers9595 Why? What did the 9" do better than the 8.8? When I looked it up, GAWR is higher for the 8.8, which implies it's the stronger setup.
In the Ford Ranger the sensor on the differential sent signal to the speedometer.
"I like this one. The dog...one dog goes one way, the other dog goes the other way."
And this guy here, he's like "whataya want from me?" Lol
It's cold in MA and Steve's only wearing a T shirt!
(He can probably eat a pound of nails & crap a pinion gear.)