Sorting out Bad Handling and Wheel Alignment, Porsche 911, Pt. 2: The Front
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2022
- This 78 Porsche 911 SC belongs to a customer. She had a turbulent life and underwent massive modifications, but her owner has brought her back on the right track as much as body and interior are concerned. Unfortunately till now, that had not been true for the suspensions. Literally, the wheels stood in different directions with far off values for camber, toe and caster. The handling was accordingly at the poor side of things.
This is the second episode of a two-part series that deals with the front axle, including the replacement of strut bearings and the adjustment of height, camber and toe.
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As usual, your thoroughness and attention to detail impress me: I wonder if the average 'shop takes even half as much care in aligning a 911's wheels!
Thanks, Matteo.
Usual 911 „experts“ take about 3% as much care. I only got into this because of that.
The shop my dad used to take all his vehicles to was the Minnesota low key hot spot shop for everything Porsche. The shop was a “truck service” shop, but out in the back bays the owner maintain Porsche’s for club racers and doctors.he developed the reputation over years until one day his Porsche side of the business was far larger than his fleet work truck maintenance lol.
If you have time to hang around for your alignment they will have you sit in the car for it as well as corner balance it.
This is an underrated channel. By far. He should have more than 16.8K followers. He will eventually but should be in the 100s. Very cool. Wish I had 10% of these mechanical abilities.
Thanks, Josh. It’s 16.9 now. 😆
Jokes aside, I much appreciate your comment, it’s very encouraging.
Having just bought an ‘87 3.2, I am glued to your content! Thanks so much for taking the time to document this for us!
You’re welcome, mate.
Cheers for the Carrera!
Vorlauf, Nachlauf und negativer Lenkrollradius sind für die meisten „Schrauber“ spanische Dörfer. Sturz und Spur verstehen sie gerade noch. Ein G-Modell korrekt einstellen ist echt eine Mammutaufgabe. Mein Respekt
Ja, ist kein Spaß.
Und dabei ist der Nachlauf der Parameter, der am meisten das Lenkgefühl bestimmt.
An advantage to doing this kind of project yourself is you discover other issues in the process. During this project I found the rear stabilizer bar was hanging free on passenger side, the attachment to the frame mount where bolts screw cracked and broke away, so I MIG welded the plate solidly back on - I think this repair at a shop would have cost more than the alignment ! Coincidentally, the camber was off F & R only on this side, by +1 degree. Maybe because in US the outside part of the roads are more rough and have more potholes creating more wear ? But thank you for the informative videos !
Thanks for commenting.
Yeah, the ARB mounts tend to break, I hardly ever see a 911 without damage or replacement. There’s a beefed up part from JP.
It is always a good day when I see there is a new Greasy Fingers video posted, keep up the excellent work
Thanks, Andrew!
Ok. We have discussed how relaxing I find your presentation but you exceeded yourself and I actually fell asleep today ;-). Strong coffee and started over. This means I have now watched 1.57 times. More great content !
Thanks, David.
I shall see whether health insurance companies would put me in their catalog of services. Sleeping pill or GF video …
I string off the whole car, then take my measurements at the rim edges,instead of the tire. In the front I got rid of,the stock rubber upper mounts and installed quick change monoballs that have a built in scale, only one large nut to adjust camber, I run as much caster as I can, and a slight toe out so the car turned in better. It’s a little darty on the road, but better for tight courses. I use a smart racing camber gauge which mounts to the rim edges, and has a built in digital level. For the caster I found some inexpensive turn plates. To do all of this I have a perfectly level platform that the car sits on. If you really want it to handle, try corner balancing with the driver weight in the car. It is corner balanced in a x pattern. I have a program on the computer for it. Great video.
… depending on springs and recent amounts of wine and pasta…
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Again. I really enjoy the effort you put into your writing.
Thank you for the content
Just spoke out what anyone thought anyway. 😀
Once more a testament to your meticulous approach and engineering genius, thank you for sharing!
Very kind, David. Thank you!
Although I understand the basic principles, this is like magic to me. Very impressive!
Thanks, mate.
It’s Walter’s countless flaws that brought me there.
Brilliant detail as usual! Thanks for sharing
Welcome, David!
Amazing, your dedication and workflow are so passionate. I’ve been watching your videos since you started and they never fail to have me glued to the iPad.
Thanks for sticking around, mate!
Really loving this manual precision - oh so Greasy Fingers. I finished watching the video thinking the majority of SC's and Carrera's must be running around with terrible calibration and the poor owners are being deprived of the cars true handling dynamics. I really enjoyed this video, thank you.
Thanks a lot, Lester.
You know what? I guess that’s just so.
I agree with your observations regarding the effects that a passenger and other variables have on an alignment. At best, the manufacturers recommendations are for best case scenarios. I've had to customize settings in the past to try to accommodate hefty drivers, vehicles that were used as work vehicles and were heavily and unevenly laden and/or constantly used at high speeds for just a few examples. Ultimately, the yardstick is handling and tire wear.
Great way of saying it!
Thanks. Had been waiting for Ep2
Welcome, glad you liked it.
Took a while to get all the spare parts and work all the other cars out of the way.
Excellent job. I love the replacement of old parts, to make sure all the specs are going to last using new bushings etc.. and the metal work and paint is awesome. but please man, invest in some breaker bars.. using a ratchet to break loose old larger bolts is going to wear you out later on.. use leverage of quality 1/2” drive breakers around 24” or 609mm in length
Thanks, mate.
I guess you’re right with the breaker bar. I’m hesitating to spend too much money in tools, but I think I shouldn’t.
Watching you work through issues is very pleasant! How do you not have a million subscribers?? So well done.
Thank you, Paul.
A million? Man, that would be cool. I keep dreaming …
@@GreasyFingers Regarding the overall quality of these videos, a million subscribers is very much justified. By a country mile, this is my favourite channel.
@@laapulsford Thanks, Lester. That's very encouraging.
Very nice craftsmanship , well done and I‘d like to know if I could visit your workshop .
Hi Arnold. Of course you can, it’s halfway between Augsburg and Landsberg.
Contact me on my mail in the „about“ section of the channel.
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Been looking forward to you next upload 👍
Glad you liked it again, Paul.
Got to get out there and check mine now!! 😁
That is the one great disadvantage of watching GF films.
Well done
Thanks, Paul!
Air cool life 😎 👌
Very cool.
Thanks, Gideon!
Hey greasy finger ! Welcome back
Thanks, François.
How are things?
Great, thank you ! Hope you as well? Do you have another garage ?
@@franky19541 Yah, I do, both last films were already taken in the new one.
Fascinating and very detailed content. I need a road trip to Berlin to get my 964 properly set up-I can even brew a special beer for you in my Nano brewery for the trouble…
Deal! 😀
I’m located near Munich though.
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😂 I prefer Munich anyway!
@@GreasyFingers Amazing content as usual, thanks for the insights and the carefully detailed walkthrough! I'll be moving to Munich next July and would be delighted to bring my 85 Carrera by your shop for tuning. Hope you're open to new customers!
@@adammarston1 Looking forward, Adam!
@@GreasyFingers Great to hear back! Will look you up once I'm settled in Bavaria 🇩🇪
Great vlog I love to live near you … alas I don’t so any advice on why my 76 eating tires on the inside it was lowered by a previous owner… and has a strut brace …. Alternatively ever visit ireland
Thanks, Michael.
If you want, you can send me a picture of the worn tires. There aren’t many reasons for this happening and assigning a reason to a wear pattern isn’t difficult.
Great content here! What lift is that?
Thanks, Nick.
That’s a TwinBusch.
Really quite fascinating. I suppose this is a "how long is a piece of string" question, but are there many places that can carry out alignment to this standard, and dare I ask, how not-cheap would they be?
No problem to discuss this, but let’s take it offline. Here’s my address: halvar.v.flake@googlemail.com
Glad to see another video dont have time to watch the whole thing, but dont use the tire to measure use the rim. The tire varries in thickness and moves separate from the rim.
Thanks for the tip.
I’ve made the experience that the same is true for rims.
@@GreasyFingers i isually light hit the mating surface of the roter and rime with a wire brush, i only torque the rims in the air that mitigates most out of round of rim unless its bent.
Excellent videos. I am German but living in California. Have a 78 SC may I ask what type of portable lift you are using ( the blue one)? I need one of those. Thanks.
Hallo Dieter. Das ist ein TwinBusch, Du findest ihn im Netz, einschließlich US-Vertretung.
@@GreasyFingers Ah gut, habs gefunden. Niederlassung in Las Vegas. Werde es mir mal anschaun. Viele Gruesse nach Bayern (habe 10 Jahre in Garmisch gewohnt).
I replaced my 78 SC clutch release lever. The original lever has a pin that fasten it to the shaft. The new lever that I purchased did not have that pin hole. I did not replace the clutch release shaft. The new lever does not have a pin hole for fastening. to the shaft. The new lever slides onto the original shaft easily. However when depressing the clutch pedal it does not return to normal operation position. The new clutch release lever without the pin fastener may have been a change/replacement. Is it the pin that prevent the clutch release lever from rotating on the shaft and helps the clutch to return the pedal and lever to the normal position. How is this done with levers that does not have a pin fastener.
Sorry, mate, never been there.
Servus Herr Fingers. Have (Habe) lange auf der zweite Teil gewartet. Haben Sie meine email gesehen / gelesen? Der Adler sicht ist echt toll! Vielen Dank. Mfg Der Affe.
Hi Mike. No I haven’t! Where did you send it to and when?
Can i bring my 964 to you? Amazing!!!
get in line lol
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Welche Lackierpistole verwendest du, da deine „Schutzpappe Inszenierungen“ so nah an der offenen Elektrik geschehen. Kein Overspray?
Anest Iwata lph 80.
Die ist dafür gebaut, keinen Overspray zu haben.
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