Is Topaz & Numby Still WORTH IT in Version 2.2 In Honkai Star Rail?
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- Is Topaz & Numby Still WORTH IT in Version 2.2 In Honkai Star Rail?
Today, we are going to be talking about Topaz & Numby and if she is still worth it after all this time after her release! We are going to be talking about her, her kit, her usage as of late, and even considering other DPS's and also future banners that might affect her value! Let me know if you are going to pull Topaz & Numby or if you are waiting for others to rerun!
00:00 Intro
00:47 Topaz And Numby Kit
02:06 Topaz And Numby Buffs
03:00 Is Topaz Still Worth it?
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The "meta" always shifts. HSR meta has jumped from hypercarry teams to duo hypercarry teams to dot teams to follow up attack teams so on and so forth. Yes, every character will unsurprisingly have a premium team that is considered the new best until it is eclipsed by another insane team requiring all new 5* characters. Hoyo is first and foremost a business. Play who you want because at the end of the day, it does not matter even in the slightest.
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Thank you! That’s why I’m going for Topaz because her synergy with Ratio is so fun!
it us just other archetypes, they are all meta
and hypercarry still the best
It's more enjoyable if we play the strategically at least that's the case for me
Ok but to make topaz good you need so much money investment. Ppl don’t always have that money to invest so doesn’t it make more sense to not go for topaz if you want to comfortably clear everything the game has to offer?
Just need topaz for the chest finding
The unit who pays for itself LMAO
.. I misread that and thought you were taking about a different chest 😏
@@kolebowyer3837Funny. I thought the exact same thing. 😅
I don't understand. Do people actually need numby to find chests? The maps are so small
@@rtxchimkinconvenience
Why do so many people skip Topaz? Is obvious from her kit that she get stronger the more FuA there are in the team. She not hypercarry yet, since we don't 2 support that both do FuA. Do people really just look at her low number in 1 turn then call her trash?
Shes very niche
I didn’t have the jades went for jing liu since she seemed like the must pull dps at the time… getting her this time round tho
The synergy wasn't really fully-realized yet and Free Dr. Ratio wasn't a thing. People weren't really running anything outside of the standard HC because there weren't as many characters yet.
Now that people got a Free FuA unit it showcased to more people that FuAers can be rather versatile. She also came out next to Jing Liu who would've been the smartest choice to invest in considering how broken she was upon release (and still is)
@@Inkfy also guinifen at est with a pearls of sweat lightcone performs very similar to topaz but guin can do AOE damage which sures up ratios biggest weakness.
You really need her s1 e1 for her full utility.
current plan is to pull for e0 robin and topaz since I skipped her debut banner and have been waiting for her rerun for Ages but now is finally the time
Topaz was the character that made me want to give star rail a try. Just being a space debt collector seemed funny to me. I was fortunate to win the 50 50 then. I probably pull for robin. Yet her lc is tempting and need to consider jade is coming very soon that could also give topaz more value.
That depends if Jade is going to also be a FuA
I'm definitely pulling her LC since I've been struggling with getting enough debuffs for Dr. Ratio. Already got her on the initial launch but Ratio uses the Herta store LC and Topaz uses a S2 Swordplay. 😅 I have a guaranteed pull since I lost to Geppy LC on Acheron LC banner. My Aventurine uses that now. 😄
honestly? not only does she not need her e1 or LC. she gets better and better every damn patch she ages like a fine wine just like kafka.
Jing Yuan, Topaz, Kafka keep winning
pretty much non honestly, DR.ratio or(JADE) can do good with e4-6 pela + robin without topaz
but in DOT team they cannot replace Kafka the damage will drastically drop
it's incomparable for me
@@Tiimotii69 Topaz is the best support for FUA if the enemy has fire weakness. If there is no fire weakness, you can replace Topaz with other 5* harmony. BUT E1S1 Topaz is the best for FUA, regardless the weakness. At E1S1 she provide 100 damage boost and 24 CD to FUA. And her personal damage increase drastically
@@exian5074 that's nice sum up. thank you
I’ve been playing since Feb, so not that long. I’m looking forward to Topaz rerun and will be pulling for her. I’m tempted to go all the way and get her LC and E1, but I really want to add Robin to my roster since I don’t have Ruan Mei.
I’ve already built Dr Ratio, and I also finished building Aventurine, so it makes sense for my account to invest in Topaz, but I know that Robin will also complete that team. I’m torn on what to do. Any suggestions? Should I just plain E0S0 both Topaz and Robin?
Robin E1 is cracked i think you need it
24% def shred cannot be found elsewhere except those support eidolons,(Ruanmei E1, Sparkle E2, Now Robin E1) this is strongest damage boost of all thing
pull Robin, she is going to add more overall damage than Topaz
@@LucasGomes-ng2go What i REALLY want to know is whether Hoyo will do 2nd rerun after this or not
I can't pull everyone
My account have Ratio and Aven for FuA teams but i also need Robin and Topaz to complete it
But THEN they HAD to rerun Fu xuan at the same patch since i need more top sustainers other than Aventurine
Not only then they had to put Firefly on 2.3, which is also a TOP priority
Honestly i don't want to swipe my bank account just to get them, so i had to skip 2 characters
@@justyouraveragebro5421 IMO Fu Xuan is the first priority if you dont have Luocha, Huohuo or Aventurine. After that I would try to get Robin. Topaz only really works super well with Ratio at e1s1, when she applies 3 debbufs. At e0s0 its just not that worth it, its better to run Silver Wold or Pela with Pearls of Sweat and a harmony char.
@@LucasGomes-ng2go Well i have Aventurine and Huohuo
I don't think I'll need to worry about debuff on topaz for ratio since
1. I have trend of the universal market on Aventurine
2. I have ruan mei as a support so i have justification for skipping robin first banner
3. I can use seele LC to ratio and topaz can use herta LC
So yes i can just pull for topaz and fu xuan if i grind everything in gold n gears
But at the same time i also want to build mono quantum but i lacked 2 most important unit fu xuan(lost 50/50 during debut) and sparkle(skipped for acheron)
So yes i want the opinion from another player that are used with FuA teams is it better than mono quantum? Or should i just keep going for mono quantum?
Let me know if I’m in the wrong, but the way I see it is that I want to improve my follow up attack team either by topaz or robin. I have aventurine and dr ratio, tingyun, and bronya
I can’t replace topaz with any of the four stars I have for follow up attacks specifically but I can run other good supports.
I feel like the addition of a lot more follow up attacks would benefit me more than the dmg robin would provide.
Yes but for your account robin can also work with hypercarry and pretty much any other team fine so it just depends what you think it more fun/have the most use
Once again I have to correct this misinformation:
Topaz doesn't need her E1, she only needs her lightcone.
And if you run her with Ruan Mei + Aventurine, you don't even have to get her signature.
can you explain this a bit more???
@@reaver8440her lc give one debuff , she got one on her kit , aventurine got one his ult and ratio got one so its more than enought debuff. If you have rm in the team her últ is considered as a debuff so you could away with playing her wo her lc
I’d also like to know if it’s better to go for Robin’s light cone or Topaz’s one. I play FUA with Aventurine and Ratio, so ofc I want Robin, but I’m contemplating to get hers or Robin’s lc. I do want Sam so I’m wondering if it’s better to just skip and only get Robin or if I really need Topaz’s lc (currently at over 230 wishes with high pity on lc)
Same boat but I have 50 pulls 💀@@brisonikku
Ruan Mei is the OP there, put any team and will work.
Mean Topaz is not need it.
Question:
I have e0s0 aventurine
E0s0 ratio
And e0s0 ruan mei all built
I will go for jade, but im a bit confident I can pick up a good FUA unit here and get her too
*My account doesnt have fire coverage*
I love robin's design and gameplay MUCH more than topaz
Im at 62 pity on guaranteed with 30 pulls worth in starglitter or wtv irs called
My pela is e1and I have silverwolf and jing yuan
*Who will be better for my follow up attack team?* topaz or robin? If push comes to shove, i can use my 30 reserve pulls to try for either of their lightcones
like robin go for robin topaz at E0 is not good enought to be staple of FUA unlike ROBIN
As someone with an E0S0 Topaz, I disagree with any expensive / need / must statement about her E1 and S1.
They are good QoL, but she doesn’t need ‘em to perform. She has put in value since the day I got her.
What I do recommend is that Robin should be a priority. Supports > DPS.
You need E1S1 not for her, but for Ratio. Aventurine, Topaz, Robin, Ratio won't give him the 3 debuffs he needs to 100% his skill. The problem is Ratio not Topaz.
I think Topaz E1S1 if you don't have any other char top apply de buffs. I'll go E0S1 Topaz with ratio and Aventurine with trends. Should be enough
@@javsama1 I get your point, but rehoo stated it like an expensive unit in general, not only for Ratio duo DPS.
I do prefer using SW with Ratio tho, at least in the current MOC with the Dino.
@@chaldea_ yeah SW looks way better on that team because she can also implant weakness, I imagine she’ll do better in that team than Topaz, I hope a content creator makes a video comparing both comps.
You don’t need E1, but you do need S1 to make Topaz complete. No other Light Cone (F2P or non sig) will suffice for her in the grand scheme of things. Mind you, this is under the assumption no one else has their sig on your team. If that’s the case, you can give Topaz cruising and she’d be better for herself and not as restricted on ramp up time.
E0S1 is the “go to” Topaz.
I'll just wait whoever powrcreeps her, probably colorless fua, blast or aoe coverage, or not needing e1s1.
I've had her since her first banner. Love her and all the fua changes made her stronger. I just need to decide whether to pull for her LC on the current banner or not. I do use her a lot because I have aventurine Clara Himeko ratio all built.
You don't need e1 and s1. You can use herta store lightclone or sword play to beat the current moc and pf.
You need E1S1 not for her, but for Ratio. Aventurine, Topaz, Robin, Ratio won't give him the 3 debuffs he needs to 100% his skill. The problem is Ratio not Topaz.
@@javsama1isn't proof of debt is a debuff?
@@ArceusSone yes that’s only 1 debuff, you want 3, E1 gives 1 more and S1 another, Aventurine has 1 debuff on his ult and with his sig LC gives you 1 more on his fua. Ofc that’s if you want 100%, all the time. It’ll probably be ok with only S1 and Aventurine with Trend LC. Some content creators videos show something similar and they almost always had 100% without her E1
@@javsama1 yeah because dr ration gives 2 debuffs as well if you have good rotations
You need one or the other. But not both
do Numby's follow up atk got affected by Topaz's Lightcone ? I was wondering if Numby's atk will have the "Tame" state
quite literally every damage Topaz does is a fua so yes, tame will take effect with everything Topaz has that deals damage
I have a question … I got adventurine and dr ratio ..and I like both robin and topaz …which would be better for my account?? Leaning towards robin ..but I like both equally
Robin 100%, you will can use her in more teams
ROBIN-SWAN BUT also Topaz-SWAAN!
@@XiasGaming i have the same problem im wondering who would be better if its STRICTLY for FUA team since rn im all set on my other teams
my current FuA team is Ratio,Ruan Mei,Aventurine,Silver Wolf,who should i replace mei or sw with topaz if i get her?
Usually, SW if you have the jades go for LC too, or got for Robin.
Ratio is part of the Intelligentsia Guild, they follow the Erudition but they’re also affiliated with the IPC. so he still counts
I personally think an e6 with pearls quinifen is better for ratio then e0 s0 topaz. I think you need at least s1 or e1 on topaz to make her worth it for ratio specifically.
I just pulled her and I’m a light spender I already decided I’m going for light cone do I NEED the E1 or not keep in mind I have Robin aventurine and Ratio so I have the meta follow up attack team someone please lmk if I need E1 or not
Should i get Topaz E0S0 now and get Robin on her rerun, or is it just better to get Robin and play with Pela or Silver wolf instead of Topaz? What bothers me is that if an AoE follow up dps comes out Topaz might get replaced or am i wrong?
This always will happen new characters make old useless but pull for who you like dont be meta slave game not that hard i hate how the ccs turn into meta slaves that's why i hate tier lists
topaz shouldnt get replaced because an aOe follow up would be used for different fights
Get Robyn will OP as Ruan Mei in Dots team, and crit teams
Robin is by far the safer choice, she will work in more teams and Topaz won't really work with the next two follow up units.
@@sct77how do u know that?
Welp just got her assuming she's ok with Himeko for follow up. I could be wrong but I'll learn that the hard way
If I lose her 50/50 again I’ll literally be so upset I really want Topaz. I skipped Aventurine because I still don’t have Topaz and still have enough sustainers until his rerun. My Ratio is very well built and I like FuA
Many ppl said jade will powercreep topaz in future patch. Let me say this. Jade and topaz never been in same role. Both indeed are sub dps. But jade mainly focused in dmg and she can become the main dps. Other hand topaz kit are debuffing which mean to support fua team dmg. Instead powercreeping they both are good together. For quantum weakness can use jade topaz robin aven combo, for imaginary weakness can use ratio topaz robin aven combo.
jade is meant to be a sub dps so more likely you would want to run, like himeko/clara/any eridution, jade, robin,
@@gizunoglunmig0801 if you r talking about pf team then its a yes. Aoe fuas have more benefit in pf. Topaz just single target debuff fua she wont take alot advantage in pf. Topaz more likely a support character, which mean her spot can be easily taken by other support characters especially at if she just e0s0. But jade powercreep topaz in moc its a big no. Jade just filling empty slot in fua comp. The one gonna be replaced is the main dps (its depends on enemy weakness)
Like i said before, if facing imaginary enemies the team more likely ratio topaz combo or if quantum jade topaz combo. If u dont like topaz just replace her to other support characters like sw pela ruanmei sparkle. But they wont do decent dmg like topaz did. In the end its your choice to decide the support for main dps
i have every harmony so im thinking get topaz skip robin. also it wont be optimal but topaz with e1 firefly sounds fun
I started playing about 4 months ago, I cant wait to bring her home!
Ik what do you mean by topaz needs lc and e1 but honestly you dont need that the game not that hard to make you need all that support and damage i love FuA and since day 1 with Clara till now still collecting them all e0 s0 expect clara and still doing very good 3 cycles clear or 4 so if i pay 200 bucks for 0 cycles why would i . If the monster has 100k hp you dont need 1M damage you know what i mean
You need E1S1 not for her, but for Ratio. Aventurine, Topaz, Robin, Ratio won't give him the 3 debuffs he needs to 100% his skill. The problem is Ratio not Topaz.
@@javsama1 you dont NEED im using them and they so good and fine and when you said need what do you mean you know that you have 10 cycles to clear the hardest contact in game you not ganna die if you not 0 cycle and most of MoC has some debuffs on them
@@hosamx1465 sure you don’t “need”, if you are ok only with 40-60% Ratio’s fua skill then more power to you, when they release a better fua DPS than Ratio you’ll be golden.
@@javsama1 😂😂😂😂😂 50/50 and its even better when you get the FuA and not cirting
@@javsama1i wouldnt say ratio is a problem e2 guin acheives his full buff just about. Its just if you want to do ratio/topaz you gotta fork uo the cash.
my question would be, would Topaz e0 S1 be enough to power ratio at E0S0 along with aventurine at E0S0? cause as much as i like Ratio he sems to fall short and hard when he dont have max buffs... which makes me think if Jade is like we think and is follow up, that she will easily replace Ratio hands down.... Thoughts?
Topaz isn't that good, I think it's better to go for Ratio's LC than her own unless you need the extra debuffs. Topaz isn't like Kafka, she might have synergy with follow ups but Jade's are aoe, meaning that Topaz's debuff will barely buff them and if they work together at all (which I doubt but who knows) then it's only going to be for encounters that are weak to both of their elements.
@@sct77 Topaz has good synergy - even tho all the heartstone member will be FuA-oriented, it is clear she will be relevent for a long time; she currently is the only unit which can dish out the most FuA in turn; Topza will stay releveant till Ruby, Emerald, Amethyst, Diamond, Saphire, etc. will be released.
Jade is Fau but she is a sub dps so she does big damage once in a while kinda like himeko so will be good for PF and stuff but won't compete in overally damage her cycle to a well built dr ratio
If you like FUA then go for Topaz. She will be BIS. If you don't, then you can skip her.
As someone that always loved FuA, Topaz made these types of attack so much more fun and enjoyable!
so topaz > robin for dr ratio FUA?
@@darknessrises948 In terms of meta? No. Robin specifically boosts FuA, for the whole team, while also basically giving you extra turns. But Topaz is definitely super satisfying and gives you more element coverage for the follow ups (Ratio + Aventurine is very imaginary focused, Topaz being fire is extra coverage)
@@darknessrises948 No, it's a lot more worth it to go for Robin by the simple fact that her main role is a support, but in general it's best to get both Topaz and Robin for Dr. Ratio as Robin will be having a hard time supplying Dr. Ratio's requirement of Debuffs which Topaz can alleviate somewhat
What if you alrwady have ruan mei?@@conejitorosada2326
Ever since i saw Topaz i HAD to pull her and i havent regret it ever since
same :))
Am I crazy. Aventurine gives 1 debuff, topaz gives 1 debuff and dr.ratio has the eff res debuff on his skill. So that’s 3. With ruan mei that’s 4 sometimes
I got her on her first banner and was kind of underwhelmed. I decided to pull her lc this time since it’s good for her and ratio. She feels so much better with her lc.
Topaz's kit is a bit flawed. For example, I tried using 161 speed Dr. Ratio and Topaz.
1) Flawed 50% action advance.
Topaz would action advance Numby in 50%.
Numpy speed is 80, so Numpy will do 48% of his turn on his own.
Then Dr. Ratio does follow-up attack. Numpy has 2% left till his turn, so 50% action advance becomes 2%, a lot of damage potential is wasted.
On average you may be loosing 25% of Numpy damage by not having speed tuned attackers, which would require all attackers to be at 159, just 1 below 160 spd breakpoint.
2) Flawed random targeting.
If you have 3+ targets, one marked by Numpy. If Dr. Ratio kills target target with skill. Dr. Ratio follow up will go to random target, Numpy's buff as well.
It may not be the same target.
3) Ratio's need of debuffs. With E0S0 you will have only 1 consistent debuf, making Dr. Ratio follow up's only have 60% chance. E0S1/E1S0 Topaz will help, but it's high investment for interesting but flawed Topaz unit. Issue 1 just makes Topaz Numpy's damage wasted if there are a lot of follow attacks happening. This will cause Topaz own damage to wasted due to flawed mechanics.
It's similar issue to Jing Yuan Lighting Lord, where there is cap of 10 stacks, Lighting Lord won't attack immediately on 10 stacks leading to much wasted potencial.
I calculated team damage of Dr. Ratio + Topaz vs Dr. Ratio + Robin assuming Dr. Ratio always procs and lands on right target with Topaz debuffs. In both Topaz and Robin increased total team damage by 170% on average, compared to just running Dr. Ratio.
However, that's assuming Dr. Ratio only hits targets with Numpy's proof of death, which is not realistic. Also assuming Numpy does 100% of his damage potential without damage being wasted by action advance mechanics.
Robin definitely is better choice to get for FuA investment. Robin can be used in many other teams, will work in future even with AoE FuA and non FuA Teams. Robin kit is well designed with not damage wasted by odd mechanics behavior.
Theoretically Topaz has good damage potential for the future, but a lot of damage potential is wasted due to Issues 1 and 2, making her inferior investment compared to E0S0 Robin.
The thing about using Robin without Topaz & Numby is you might run into energy problems with Robin. Robin relies on her teammates attacking very frequently to fill up her energy gauge and maximize her damage potential.
@@sameowel Yeah, that's true. The issue with Topaz & Numby is that her team options are kind of limited, I don't see using her outside of Dr. Ratio + Topaz + Robin + Aventurine combo.
I already have a few teams that should be able to regenerate energy well for Robin:
1) SW/Pela + Dr. Ratio + Robin + HuoHuo (HuoHuo for extra energy regen (32+2+2) per sbb rotation and +40% atk boost).
2) SW/Pela + Dr. Ratio + 180 speed Sparkle + Robin for really quick clears. Energy shouldn't be an issue.
3) For PF, having 180 speed sparkle + Herta + Robin + Himeko will cause Robin to regenerate energy a lot. I would like to know whenever Robin generates 10 energy if Herta hits 5 times or just 2.
4) Maybe even Clara + Robin + m7 + Adventurine team. Enemies attacking clara, m7 doing follow up, as well as Adventurtine could be good, I will have to test.
5) Maybe even sparkle + seele + robin + adventurine could be good.
I see a huge potential in Robin. I can make some interesting teams already. At the same time, Topaz is kind inflexible, I have Topaz, but I rarely use her. Robin will likely synergize well with at least 2 upcoming characters (Jade and maybe unannounced nihility character replacing pela), while I don't see anyone in near future who could help Topaz.
I alr have aven's lc so do i need topaz lc for the fua team?(i dont have topaz yet)
You don't even need Topaz's LC! you can use the 5* Hunt from Herta Store, the 4* with Dan Heng on it or the 4* with Sushang! Those are her good alternatives!
yeah swordplay is amazing on topaz because she max stacks it eevery e
I like topaz but not Dr ratio so gonna wait and see more about jade before deciding if I want topaz
jade isn't a main dps and she also doesn't sync with topaz every well, more likely is in a jade team you will want an eridution unit as main dps and jade taking topaz's place
Topaz is a cool concept char but this game powercrept her a lot compared to other 2.0+ char
she does a lot of hits. but in total it still so little and her FUA 55% dmg + is replaceable with other nihility/harmony
so far she is premium unit for Dolphin, Whale For FUA comp but not the MAIN character like Kafka in DOT team
She definitely wasn't powercrept, in fact she has only gotten stronger since her release, and the trend will most likely continue.
Also her main role is dealing damage, the fact that she increases damage done by FuA of allies is just a bonus. So any damage that is "lost" due to damage amp being lower she makes up for with her own personal damage, and her rotations are SP positive or neutral, which makes it really easy to slot her into the team.
@@JGDGkot thank you for copium answer
@@littlebigeats7682 she is meta character now but her power level with E0 is still low and not worth it and she pretty strong e1 s1 with FUA team
in my comment i said she's premium unit for Dolphin and whale and you say i hate her LMAO
Hoyoverse made her expensive and that thing cannot change (i am sad) i have E6 aventurine and total i have almost every unit in the game BTW
stay pressed dawg
@@littlebigeats7682 and can you look at 2.0+ character ? their kit is like 2-3 paragraphs long with overwhelmed damage is like 300-600K at E0
how i am saying anything wrongdon't be blind try to make ppl pull for her for value, but if you pull for fun and love her she is adorable for sure.
any character dependant on other characters aren't going to lose value in the long run
Tengo a Ratio, Ruan Mei y Aventurine, y la verdad que solo me falta TopAss en el equipo, asi que si tirare por ella.
I wanna pull for her lc but idk where my jades and passes went.
You dont need it dont waste you jades all those people who say you need this you need that nahh you will have more fun with new character than have few numbers on your character and the game not hard to let you need all these numbers im big fan of FuA and all are e0 s0 and they insanely good 👍
I am going to Comments just to support, let me add some random thing
I do have Topaz and
in Topaz and Dr. Doctor, and Robin
you still need 1 more debuff from topaz LC or E1
you will have 80% (With-OUT) E1 or S1 it after that it is 100%.
or just run a 4th character what debuffs like aventurine
@@gizunoglunmig0801 his ult is the only debuff.
If you want his Follow -attack to add debuff you need LC
as player that mostly f2p that is a stupid idea to pull on a LC that only for 1 character.
This are the only 3 ways i may get a LC
1 I love the character Like Silver-Wolf
2 I think the LC may add a lot to the kit.
3 I just accidently get it in one 10 pull.
Going for Topaz + S1 LC, Dont care about Eidelons.. also getting Robin + LC.
Currently building my E4 Clara after a year of playing.. yes Off-banner Clara's -.-
Me with E1S4 bronya, I feel you bro
honestly robin's lightcone is not needed and gives less attack then the event one if you are using a fua team so shouldn't really use pulls on it
Really wish Hoyo changed Ratio, needing 3 debuffs is ridiculous, that's the main reason Topaz needs S1E1 if you want to pair her with him. Sadly Topaz is in a weird spot but the problem is mostly Ratio. Additionally farming for 2 dps for 1 team is also a pain so I'm skipping FUA teams despite having Aventurine and Ratio lvl80. For other team comps Robin looks nice but her massive ult cost doesn't convince me she'll be worth it over Ruan Mei, who is probably rerunning soon. I guess Robin will be great for Full Fiction since Jade, Herta and Himeko are all FUA
they're not going to and it not necessary either. In the long run it's not like Ratio NEEDS Topaz as someone like SW can provide more than enough debuffs without needing anything else. And with more FuA characters releasing Topaz isn't gonna be tied to Ratio either. Later down the line I'm pretty confident that the only time those two will work together as BiS is when the main enemy has both fire and img weakness
you do not need topaz at e1 and s1 if you have the fua team thats just if you want to bacially 100% it after her just using her skill, since without them she gives 1, dr ratio gives 1 but also has another 2 which are somtimes up, aventurine does 2 so just with those you can have usually 4 up.
@@gizunoglunmig0801 Aventurine only has 1 debuff with his ult, unless you have Trend or his signature LC. And Ratio has only 1 and it's unreliable. Basically if everyone is S0E0 you have 1 from Topaz always and 1 from Aventurines ult every few turns, the rest are unreliable. most of the time you'll have only 60% and pray the stage has some kind of dot application.
Topaz saying "investing in victory means playing the long game" = get her to E0S1 at least cuz by the time she reruns all her friends are gonna make a cracked team
Agreed, with Jade upcoming the risk is too great that she might just get replaced a single patch later by a better character.
the chances of topaz getting replaced is extremely low tho
@@editimpact66 is it? I think you will only run topaz when enemies are weak to fire. Dr. Ratio has natural synergy with aventurine as they are both imaginary (plus everyone has Ratio), thus will always run them on imaginary side of MoC. Robin/RM can't be replaced. Then it's already Jade vs Topaz.
@@coffeeislife5462 it's not Jade vs Topaz, it's Jade and Topaz. Topaz's stocks only goes higher, if opponents are weak to fire+img or fire+quantum we can pair Topaz with Ratio/Jade respectively. Also if Jade cannot clear some content with one nob in the middle with high hp Topaz can come in and provide the required damahe while buffing Jade too. It's really as simple as that
@@editimpact66 That is if you already have Topaz, you can argue that she can still be used, yes. However the video was more about current pulling value of Topaz rerun(if she's still good). In that case (unless you have unlimited Stellar Jades) it is very well Jade vs Topaz(because they are only 1 patch apart). Since I would use Ratio 99% of the time instead of Topaz (since Aventurine is already imaginary breaker), and Robin/Aventurine slots cant be touched. If you need dps vs fire weak, I'd pull Firefly 100% over Topaz, too.
So in the best case scenario you mentioned Topaz is a niche sub dps in Fua teams. And usually new units (Jade) are straight out better in terms of numbers, since mihoyo as a company wants to sell their new units for income. The way I see it, Topaz banner is just bait to drain you of your Stellar Jades so you have to pay up for the actual new BiS Fua sub-dps.
@@coffeeislife5462 do you look at leaks? I'm getting dual carry vibes from Jade. Like imagine for ST Ratio+Topaz, it's gonna slap while for blast Kade might not have enough damage to kill the enemy with highest hp so Topaz helps with that. Also if you look at Jade's kit(stop reading if you haven't seen it and don't want to get spoiled) it seems like she wants as many hits as possible so thay she can trigger her FuA and Topaz is one of, if not the most consistently high hitters(if thats a word) in the game. Also from what I've seen most enemies are either weak to imaginary or quantum and not both(yes, exceptions exists) and if you mean using Jade for Ratio teams you would wanna know Jade has no debuffs on her kit. Also yea ofc if you need a fire main dps Firefly is definitely the way to go.
Dude my account must be the most cracked I’m ngl (as it should coz I have been losing all my 50/50’s since the game started). So today morning I got Robin coz I was building pity for firefly and since I had won 3 50/50s in a row (Acheron e2) I said” oh I will DEFINITELY lose my 50/50 and get a guaranteed to firefly RIGHT?!”. Then like 20 mins ago, I was like “oh how funny it would be if I pulled on Topaz’s banner”. I pulled, 0 pity, and I won the 50/50 again😭😭😭😭
I did the same today. Got Robin 3rd 10 pull, then Topaz 1st 10 pull.
Summary. You want a FuA team she is a must. But if you pull her, pull her LC too. If you don't she is not good dps and not good FuA enabler (I pulled her first time and regret not pulling her LC)
That’s my girl she will always be worth in my eyes ❤🔥
When jade comes, either ratio or topaz will be replaced in a FuA team. Aventurine + robin are irreplaceable in that team
Jade doesn't provide debuffs for ratio. He would lose a lot on damage without topaz (E1S1) so most likely ratio would be replaced in the "meta" FuA team. You could probably use ratio in place of jade for the new boss mode tho. It depends on how much scaling jade has with damage tho
@@DriftingCloud_23 also jade only does damage every so often and doesn't benefit from going multiple times a turn so dps will be lower
@@gizunoglunmig0801 either way it's still too early to tell. Based on what I know from her kit she benefits from when allies attack enemies. She builds stacks from when an ally attacks (FuAs included) topaz still has the highest FuA frequency on the team.
Tdlr: she has the most synergy with Topaz and aventurine who do constant follow ups.
She will most like have synergy with herta and himeko in a PF team as well
I started playing Honkai cuz of Topaz designed.
as someone who has been playing for 2 months: I really wnated to got for the IPC squad, I have ratio and adventurine. I really wnat topaz and robin to play that team, which sounds fun. But E1S1 is ridiculous.
I want a robin and Topaz and together with aventurine I will be sitting at 80% all the time for ratio followup. Not to mention, that ratio would like to have 5 debuffs applied all the time for maximum damage.
Long story short, I will probably skip Robin and Topaz and get myself a boothill and maybe a fuxuan, or wait for the next abundance character and down the line just wish for ruan mei
Tbh Topaz is the only 2.2/2.3 character I'm looking forward to
It’s like Topaz needs a better Ratio
Or Ratio needs an expensive Topaz 😂
What do you mean is she worth it? Now her teamates are starting to release and she's getting stronger and stronger. The reason for the lc and all are for Dr. Ratio. It is not needed
Yes.
Her LC is good and can be swapped on other Hunt units, her E1 however is just a wasteful luxury.
It's fine. I'll just pull E1S1 Topaz and Robin in 30 pulls. easy.
The answer is yes.
She is like Kafka
Why does Ratio needs 3 debuffs. Isn't 2 debuffs enough.
He wants 3 to fully guarantee his FUA, and he'll want 6 to max out his crit hits.
No. That can't guarantee FUA.
@@kondoriano4813 he wants 3 for guaranteed follow ups, 5 for his dmg amp buff and the amount doesn't matter for his crit buff since its perma
@@darkritual951 That's literally what I just said except that he wants 6 for max crit, not 5.
@@kondoriano4813 so then I have to get not only the signature lightcone but also Topaz e1 as well for 3 debuffs ??
Regoo
I know a lot of people recommending Robin over Topaz ,but in my opinion I think you should get both , you won't regret it .
Is topaz LC good enough debuffs for ratio?
Tell that to my jades😢
I think you should get them if you want to build FUA teams, but if you don't, most FUA characters don't need them unless you want to max the damage you can do
@@gym4379 Topaz LC with Robin and Aventurine you'll be at 90% chance for the follow up for ratio.
The question of Robin or Topaz is only in the context of not being able to get both. Of course everyone wants both but if you can only pick one, it’s Robin for sure.
In my account is not worth it get Topaz.
I can't spent 4 or 6 pity for made her works.
And Robin E0S0 will buff more than Topaz E1S1 in my account.
she is trash for event 5* char, dont pull, save your jades
but the double dumpy
She's worth it
F2P opinions are easy:
If you have to choose and aren't already invested in FUA.. DON'T pull either one. Robin really doesn't hold the same value without FUA frequency. Anything other than that is cope
When you mean already invested I assume you mean more than just having a ratio built? Because I want to invest with one and I don’t really have any other 5* with him
Idc what people say, I'm keeping the IPC mommy