America Shot Down This Passenger Plane (Iran Air Flight 655) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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On July 3rd, 1988, the United States Military or more specifically a US Naval Warship shot down this passenger plane killing 290 people. The tragedy of Iran Air Flight 655 is one of the deadliest air disasters to have ever occurred. Was this a case of mistaken identity? If so, how was it mistaken. Was it a demonstration of pure negligence with devastating consequences or both. In this video we’ll look at this flight, where it was going, the context of the environment it was flying in, the Warship and the actions of those on said ship.
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Hello disaster breakdown. I would like to give a conclusion to Iran air 655. Maybe captain rodgers was scared that the f14(A300B4) would shoot at the schip. So thats why and that the A300 crew thought there was noting to worie about. The plane came Down whit its tail and right wing breaking off. If you think this is a good conclusion pls respond or like or give it a heart.
@jim did i ask for you to respond to me?
Just FYI at 15:58 You said Iran Air flight 665* but anyway awesome video
Hey man, if you want to learn more about how the US mainstream media propagandizes the US populus I would highly recommend reading the book "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media" by Noam Chomsky.
@Disaster Breakdown I think its important to note the medals received had nothing to do with this unfortunate event as the video makes it sound like the two are directly related.
Imagine the outrage if an American airliner flying in it's own airspace got shot by Iranian marine forces.
Exactly 💯👀💅🏾
20 years invasion
another endless war
That part^^
Exactly!!
What's worst beyond calling the murderers heroes was that they were also even given national awards, that was the most infuriating and disgusting insult to the victims' families.
Selective Outrage; how many times have you complained about the behavior of the Japanese Imperial Army? How often have you condemned the actions of Terrorists supported by Iran? Have you once had anything to say about the Marxists terrorists or are you one of them?
@@robertgiles9124 Marxist terrorists?? How many times have you demonized the kkk? Or Right-wing (and racist) extremists who have committed bombings and mass shootings? Or domestic terrorists like the assholes that committed the January 6th insurrection?? Why is it everytime white, conservative Americans commit an act of violence, which has happened routinely and regularly for the better part of 100-plus years, the best response given is never one of taking responsibility, but instead that "someone else somewhere did something too, so therefore they're just as bad, and we're justified"? The hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.
@@jlcii Blah Blah Blah Drama Mama let's ignore the ones killing Black men all the time...it aint "white conservatives" or "KKK" you liar.
@@robertgiles9124 tbh. The US never should've been there in Iran. Poking their noses where they DON'T BELONG!
@@robertgiles9124 the stench of "whataboutism" is rife in your pointless companion.
“We investigated ourselves and we did nothing wrong”
Yup that's about the long and short of it
Real
What a surprise...
Correct, and we didn’t
That's the privilege of being the most powerful country
I remember back in the day comparing this story the way the American media portrayed this incident. The disasters of Korean air 007 and PanAm 103 in the American media were written about in a completely different fashion compared to Iran 655. There was much bias in the way these incidents were portrayed.
Same thing with the most recent UI 752. Have seen Americans bashing Iran for doing it, however completely neglecting that they did the same thing more than 30 years ago
And hardly anyone remembers or even knows of Siberia Airlines Flight 1812...
@@zikalokof1challenge414 An obvious difference is that the Iranian government admitted within a few days that their military was responsible.
In 2022, the Newsweek covers would be reversed. Koren Air would be, "why it happened..." and Iran Air, "Murder In The Air".
Also, to be fair, the Soviets knew the plane and its compliment when they shot it down...so "murder" whether reasonable or not was the correct wording.
@@activenation I mean, why would they put two accidents that happened more than 30 years ago on today's newspapers anyway? Also, knowing the American media, they'll do the same thing again
one of those incidents that puts me in a place of angry despair. so many oversights on the part of the US, and then an incredible effort to pretend it wasn't their fault (and to even shift the blame! to the passenger plane! in international waters!! boggles the mind). great video as always!
I lived through this. I’m an avid news watcher and I don’t remember this incident at all. US media reports what they want us to remember.
@@kckc4955 They covered this very heavily in the US. It was a huge scandal with a lot of follow up reporting on the Vincennes's Captain and Senior Staff. It was a particular favorite of 60 Minutes. Remember this was something that played into the media's narrative of Reagan as a cowboy warmonger. So of course they covered it non-stop.
@@andrewtaylor940 I was younger than I thought when this happened. I recall so much about the Iran hostage crisis the decade prior but don’t recall this. Uni must have been on my mind instead of the news.
certain aspects of this video just aren’t correct. For example, the claim that the Vincennes violated Iranian waters is a favorite of the Iranian government, but it isn’t backed up by the Vincennes’ publicly available (offline) GPS log, nor is it backed up by Oman, who was actively tracking the ship via radar. What’s more, the video doesn’t place enough emphasis on the fact that the Vincennes was actively engaged with Iranian fast attack boats, one of which the Vincennes sunk. These vessels clearly attacked the Vincennes first, and were just as clearly overmatched by the Vincennes. The most natural thing in the world would have been for the Iranians to call in air support, which is exactly what the Americans believed they did. Also, he neglects to mention that Flight 655 had no English speaking crew members on its flight deck, which is a direct violation of international law that rendered differences in radio equipment irrelevant, as the Iranian pilots would not have known what was being said to them even had the Americans been on the right frequency. Even worse, the signal where the aircraft replied with the incorrect identification number should have cued the flight crew to switch briefly to the very same emergency frequency the ship was trying to contact them on (at least, according to the Navy report). An IFF request in and of itself should have been a major indicator that your aircraft was in the crosshairs, as that is not a common commercial aviation request. Finally, there’s the rather disingenuous reference to the awarding of medals. He mentions this in the video, but fails to point out they were exclusively for the action against the fast attack boats. He doesn’t mention the fact that the ship captain was demoted, lost seniority, and was forced into retirement via court martial over the shootdown at all. Certainly, this should have never happened, but not presenting the fact that the Iranians are every bit as responsible for it happening is dishonest.
@@robertgarrard8868 sure. Didn't the iranian gunboats shot rather warning fire on the direction of a US helicopter, the pilot freaked out and thought was fired upon, and this was the pretext of the agressive actions of the Vincennes later ? How was this ship nicknamed ? Robokiller or something ? I applaud this video, it is factual in his treatment. Excellent one.
truly disgusting that the US gave medals to that crew. even worse that they accepted them. wouldn’t expect any less from the US military complex but it’s horrible to hear about
This one was nasty yes . Idiot captain trying to look like a hero
Okay so
Hang on
*hey kronii can i borrow you for a moment? I need to time travel*
That's the US military for ya, the biggest terrorists in the world.
@@LunaticTheCat yes exactly
What’s that suppose to mean. The US military is the best in the world. The country itself is the best built in the history of the world
I'm reminded of the Cavalese cable-car "accident" when a hotshot crew of US marine airmen severed an overhead cable-car line and killed a load of people when their car fell from a great height. American authorities did their best to play down the incident by labelling it an accident and making all sorts of excuses for the aircrew.
Like this incident, if they admitted their mistakes fully and honestly it would have allowed all involved some degree of acceptance. But making excuses, smothering it in propaganda and refusing to accept responsibility is
the pilot try to burn thé homé mdê Vid-e-Ohh Twó
The captain of that plane destroyed a video filmed during the flight. It is theorized that the crew was hot-dogging hard and recording their antics on video.
It was an accident....are you saying it was an...On Purpose? Selective Outrage. The America is Bad song is so stale.
@@robertgiles9124 No, I believe it was poorly behaved pilots which caused the accident (negligence / manslaughter), the parallel being drawn here is the refusal of authorities to take responsibility.
@@jodybobble Wrong; they did take responsibility. You just want to complain really. Look it up; $1.9 million per victim. Stop making stuff up.
If I remember correctly the Captain of the USS Sides (which was operating nearby) even told the Vincence that it was obviously a slow climbing passenger plane, not a fast moving fighter jet, & not to fire on it. The highly trained crew (which couldn't tell the difference between the two & were too busy chasing the "bog hoppers", which fired RPG's that couldn't even penetrate the Hull of a cargo vessel, could only burn the paint if they even managed to hit one), took around 16 attempts to enter the correct launch codes, they had got themselves so worked up. But the worst part was that they had a marching band on the pier when they returned home to greet them! Imagine if it was the other way around & Iran had downed a US plane! We would still be hearing about it now & forevermore.
What's more, The SM-2ER is a semi-active missile that needs a radar to guide it to the target which would set off the RWR in any fighter aircraft, in use at that point, as soon as the missile was launched. Obviously a civilian aircraft wouldn't have an RWR, and as a result it wouldn't defend against the missile launch, but continue on it's planned path. When you picture the crew of a ship, with a trigger happy reputation, watching the missile hone in on a target that isn't taking any action to deter it while having the ability to destroy the missile before it reaches the craft, it's sickening.
Absolutely dreadful. Wow, a heroes reception too. Disgraceful.
like 9-11-2001 ?
@@aldenunion bahahaha
Id like tp know more about the RPGs that couldnt penetrate the hull
International waters, & trigger-happy crew. And well done for calling out the double standards! 👌👍
I agree
because if the roles were reversed!!!! god help us all it would have been an all out war
@@ayanomar1408
Oh don’t worry. Iranian regime is only into shooting and killing their own
Worst of all,this is the real reason for the downing of PA103 over Lockerbie!! The Iranians at that time called for retribution,””an eye for an eye,blood for blood……” etc. But the majority of people,(especially Americans),believe the bulls**t that it was Libya who done it!
Interesting. I'm an Iranian and this video is uploaded in the 2nd anniversary of PS752. I believe an analysis on that flight would've been great.
Also, if you want our perspective, no matter as a estate supporter or opposition, we look at this as a disaster and blame the US and never believed they took it down by accident. It's a wide belief that it got shut down to facilitate the peace between Iran and Iraq, as Iran wasn't really keen on signing the United Nations Security Council Resolution 598 to end an 8 years old war.
For years it was the one of the government's "the US did brutality by shutting down our plane" untill they committed the horrific manslaughter two years ago.
RIP to everyone who was aboard the both airplanes.
I was going to mention PS752 as well. What a senseless end for innocent lives in both cases. Thank you for your input.
As an American citizen I agree with your accersion that this was likely no accident. The US military is easily the biggest terrorist organization in the entire world.
Talking about sulimani? He killed more Muslims than bush could ever dream of.
Suicide bombers.... plus they put in the wrong codes, dont fly over a warship. It was 1988, radar wasnt very good. Also dont attack a ship that was trying to get to the other side
Iran brutality killed a bunch of Ukrainians because you were upset one of your terrorists got a one way ticket to hell.
15:40 I've been living in the U.S. for my entire life and I absolutely would NOT expect anything else from the American media.
All this technology that America possesses and could not differentiate between a civilian or a military plane. What is the fault of the innocents who were killed?
The Vincennes was nicknamed RoboCruiser for its aggressiveness should tell you all you need to know about Cpt Rogers. Very sad incident indeed.
And it was most definitely the Americans fault they shouldn't have been in Iranian waters especially after being chased out of Omani territorial waters shortly before.
Absolutely agreed . It looks like the American captain was playing military games on purpose. Complete moron
It’s doubtful if the Vincennes was ever really in Iranian waters, though the ship was certainly very close to them. Furthermore, the video lacks context, as it doesn’t cover the numerous, hyper aggressive actions on the part of the Iranians. That doesn’t excuse Captain Rogers of his actions in any way, but it does provide vital context.
@@robertgarrard8868 you shut up
@@robertgarrard8868 The ships onboard systems confirmed they were in Iranian waters.
@@robertgarrard8868 Hands off Iran, if we were smart, we'd have a lot of cheap oil.
It is interesting why the "rules of engagement" that ground forces have to follow, weren't applied in this case. The Aegis does have defensive capabilities if fired upon, there was no excuse for this.
Because incoming fire brought against a warship can't be dodged or evaded as even the fastest boats have no movement profile compared to ballistic missiles, and on open water there's zero cover or concealment to take advantage of. One missile impact can easily destroy an entire ship and endangers many lives. Also the response time to an incoming missile can be a few seconds at best, with most defensive measures being very short range meaning they *have* to work or you will suffer a missile hit.
@@refutonefandus Your highly sensational response shows a clear lack of knowledge regarding the defense systems on these ships. I strongly recommend you do some research and learn about the capabilities. It is also not acceptable to park a war ship under a civilian air corridor and then shoot down a civilian plane because it was coming toward the ship. That alone is a massive oversight of reality.
@@96SN95 In other words, "I know I am right but I have no facts to back this assertion up so I will tell you to educate yourself".
You'll also note that I never put any blame in my statement, just pointed out that because there are defensive systems does not mean they're foolproof and the risks associated.
Everyone shares blame here. Navy control operators didn't properly check their information. The pilot of the A300 didn't squawk the right code and wasn't listening on Guard -- something *every* pilot should do. There are two radios on a plane for a reason, first is changed around for arrival/departure/tower/ground frequencies, second is usually set to listen on Guard or UNICOM in the event there's ATC ZERO issues or if you're trying to be reached by an authority due to restricted airspace or NOTAMs.
@@refutonefandus The crew of Iran Air did monitor the guard channel. But the Vincennes transmitted a message to a 'descending aircraft' and also cited the ground speed rather than the airspeed. They didn't use the call sign of the aircraft, nor mention the aircraft type, so why would the crew of Iran Air assume the message to be for them, as they were ascending on their normal route, not descending like the message mentioned?
Also, if they though it was an F14 what would they expect it to do? The US sold those F14s to Iran and they were not the later model F14B which could attack surface targets... they were older F14s that were just air to air fighters.
@@refutonefandus well in the the us military didnt send the right signal to the airplane in the first place.
this case makes me so fucking angry, especially that the crew got medals for killing 290 civilians. The plane was exactly where it was supposed to be, if a little later than usual (to be expected with flying), in it's assigned airspace, on it's assigned route, with the only mistake on their part being an incorrect squawk code (understandable, and they would've probably fixed it a little later in the flight).
The American ship was NOT where it was supposed to be, in waters is was NOT assigned to be in, engaging with tiny gun-boats it was NOT supposed to engage with. They also did not calibrate their own clocks correctly or read the plane schedule right and no one double-checked.
This was cold blooded murder by people who were incompetent at best and gave zero shits about protocol. I don't think everyone on the ship was at fault (eg. cleaners, cooks, low ranking officers and the like), but for the people in charge to get away with this AND get fucking MEDALS is disgusting.
Also, though the Russian case with the Korean plane is awful, it is much much easier to take it as an accident. The amount of bad luck in that case, what with mistaken identity and the passenger plane being off course, is astonishing and is was what very clearly sets it apart from Iran Air.
KAL 007 was shot down in a comedy of errors, mistakes, and unfortunate coincidences.
IRA 655 was shot down through no fault of their own.
In both cases the ones who shot the plane down were trigger happy, but it was for very different reasons. They are comparable in some aspects, but never forget the very tangible differences that set them apart.
so true maybe u should say it in the face of those ppl who keep defending america in this comment section.
one correction, it was not on purpose murder. But an unintentional MURDER still.
@@ImElktr1x
Who TF is defending America in this!!!?
The shooting down was and is pure murder for me. Nobody can seriously tell me that the American crew of the ship didn't know what and who they were shooting down. Greetings Torsten
Da stimme ich dir voll und ganz zu mein lieber!
I take them at their word that they were confused and reckless and dumb as fuck about it.
I just don't think that's a valid excuse. You're driving a goddamn warship. If you don't know what's happening and can't handle it get the fuck out of the way. It doesn't matter to the 290 people that they were only murdered accidentally.
My grandma was on this plane. "Religion of peace" she said, before she boarded the flight. I miss her 😔😔
Such incompetence on part of the ship's crew. Completely avoidable.
like LITERALLY JUST LOOK OUTSIDE?????
some advanced machinery!
Worse than that is actually getting a prize for it. Quite disgusting, actually.
@@drink.juice. Tbf the plane was at more than 10.000 ft (shown in the video), so they couldnt see it even if they tried to. Still over-trust on false information doomed this plane
The crew went looking for a fight and found it. It's not just the crew, though. The fact that it didn't occur to the Navy to make sure their most advanced ship could communicate with civilian aircraft as a backup to their computer systems is a hard facepalm.
May those poor souls rest in peace.
The entire crew of the Vincennes should have been court martialled for this.
Even the guy downstairs sweeping the bathroom floor? What a dumbass thing to say. SO many people in the ship had no say what so ever in what happened. Sure maybe court martial the involved crew, but the entire crew? Thats some Kim Jung Un shit right there.
@@ryanvandoren1519 he is right
@@ryanvandoren1519 they murdered 290 innocent civilians.
@@ryanvandoren1519 ratio
@@tommcglone2867 But to Ryan’s point, why would you court-martial the “guy downstairs sweeping the bathroom floor”-which is to say, low-level personnel who had nothing to do with the decision-making process-when it’s Rogers (and anyone else who knew what was going on) who should’ve been held accountable? Doing that would just effectively have been making the janitor take the fall, while basically guaranteeing that the guilty parties would get off scot-free. In other words, Rogers would still have escaped accountability because it would’ve been pinned on some grunt(s). That makes no sense to me.
this story is such an intimidating one to do justice, given how egregious the incident was and the way western media covered it, so thank you for the work you put into this, it really shows. as someone born and raised in the us, it's both apalling and not at all surprising that i had never heard about this disaster until a year or so ago. i think it goes to show just how well that propaganda you alluded to earlier has worked in the us' favor. i cannot imagine the grief of those hundred of families or living with the knowledge that there was never justice for their loved ones. awareness really is the bare minimum but nonetheless it's still important that people hear about it.
This Iranian commercial Jumbo Flight was in international airspace when the US Navy shot it down
Interesting how the Air Crash Investigation Series titled this shooting down "Mistaken Identity"
Compare this to the Korean flight that ventured into Soviet airspace and was shot down by Soviet jets "Target Destroyed"
This is how propaganda works - language, omission of facts, highlighting and distorting other facts to paint a certain narrative that fits the political ideology of the state in question.
You can demonise or be apologetical for the same incident having the same facts.
So who is right and who is wrong?
The Soviets could well argue that the Iranian shooting down ACI episode should be titled "Target Destroyed" and their downing of the Korean jet titled "Mistaken Identity"
Humans are excellent liars
@@PetraKann since when episode title=propaganda? the air crash epsiode doesn't excuse it, they just explain why they mistook it and shoot it down...
@@thebunkerparodie6368 So why not call both episodes "Target destroyed"?
To suggest that a US Naval ship in the Gulf was threatened by a commercial airline that was cruising in international airspace at 33,000 feet is laughable.
It was not a mistaken target. It's US foreign Yahoo policy.
Remember the Doctors Without Borders hospitals that was destroyed in Afghanistan under the Obama Regime? That killed over 30 people I believe including western doctors and nurses as well as patients and people fleeing the hospital area during the attack. The hospital was there for some years and the US military knew of its location and function yet still destroyed it. Another mistaken identity?
Do you know how many civilians in other countries the US military has killed since the end of WW2?
uh you do know the subject is iran ar 655? not the other US atrocities. I don't see the title as propaganda since the episode doesn't excuse the crew and they explained why KAL 007 happened too and why would the 2 episode have the same title? that'd be confusing...
@@thebunkerparodie6368 I wasn't suggesting that both episodes should literally have the same title. I was just highlighting the start difference between the two titles.
Perhaps if Air Crash Investigations was a series produced in Russia, we may have seen the episode on the shooting down of the Iranian commercial jet in international airspace titled "Target Destroyed" rather than "Mistaken Identity"?
I record of US slaughter of civilians in foreign countries since the end of WW2 is appalling. I dont wish to get into the actual statistics - but lets just say that the US has the worse record of any country in this area.
I really love the fact that u always provide additional information about every plane that got into the accident🙏🏻
Totally on the Iranian side on this one, the way the US responded is not far off totally sickening and utterly despicable
As an American, this is so shameful beyond comprehension. And of course that's what our media did. Of course. I don't have a radar, battleship, radio, or monitor but you know what? I can still tell the difference between an Airbus A300 and a goddamn military combat aircraft with my eyeballs. The excuses are so disgusting.
The Aegis system operates well beyond visual range, as does the targeting system aboard an F-14. Neither plane nor ship ever physically saw each other.
All of you are dirty shame
None of them should have been awarded. The only crew member to even hesitate for one brief moment was the one who said it could be a commercial flight. Given the Captain acknowledged this but did not confirm anything, by any additional means, he murdered all 290 of thos people.
I still think it's weird the captain got a medal for this
Edit: the captain of the warship
Ironically the man who ordered Korean Air 007 be shot down was also rewarded, with a promotion.
probably with a stupid reason like 'it's the thought that counts' or 'he had good intentions' totally ignoring the hundreds of people killed
Not for this specific event, he was already on track to get a medal for some other stuff. But yeah, the Navy did not care about how this would look at all.
Teacher: What did we learned today kids?
Little kid: it's not a crime if it was made by Americans!
Well done as always! Thank you! From one CZcamsr to another nicely done sir!
It is really heartbreaking the fact that aviation never learns. After the crash of 655, rules should have been established of the dangers of flying in places which war or conflicts are happening. If they did that, MH17 shot down wouldn’t have happen. It also comes with the shot down of PS752; everyone knew Iran airspace was dangerous, especially because they were launching missiles early that morning, but no warning was held to close the airspace. 764 victims in three crashes.
>Shoots down a civillian plane
>Refuses to take responsibility
>Blames the country they offended
>Rewards the people who shot down the plane
Yep, that's America alright
But that would also fit Russia...
Korean Air 092
Korean Air 007
MH 17
Another interesting comparison is with Malysian Airlines MH17. The Buk and the Stadard SM2 are technologically very similar, and the number of innocent people killed was almost the same, but otherwise these incidents could not have been more different
Fortunately MH17 was being investigated by third party countries (in this case the Netherlands)
Correct me if I'm wrong
@@raflyraihandy but inpected in almost warlike conditions. The dutch inspectors were not free to act, they were surveiled by separatist soldiers all along, and had to hide parts they wanted to take with them for further inspection.
@@raflyraihandy Netherlands is not a third party. 193 out of 298 people on this plane were Dutch. Third party would be a country completely not having any coflict of interest in the fate of MH17. Russia for example completely removed itself from the investigation because it had obvious conflict of interests. Technically Moscow is one of the centers for aircrash investigations and is largely responsible for the post-Soviet area.
@@oliwek70 That a lie. The plane fell deep enough in rebel territory as to not be thretened by war conditions(unless deliberatly being shelled by Ukrainian long range artillery...but why would Ukraine do that, right?). Rebels invited investigators to the crashsite from day one. Instead, investigators chose to stay in Kiev hotels rather than do their job. As for the plane parts, there is a barn(yes just a simple barn) next to the crashsite full of plane parts that dutch inspectors REFUSED to take back to Netherlands...
@@victorzvyagintsev1325 what a truckload of lies, here...
Conutries really do start to act like spoilled kids when they achieve super power status
Reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite games. You give a man enough weapon and he starts to think he's invincible
Good Job as always! You are so patient in your explanations
Worse then when the Soviets shut down passanger Airliner. At least when they always shot down planes they were in their airspace unauthorized.
This Iranian Airliner was shot down Over international waters.
That what US does best. Wars too
Actually no. The Iranian airliner was shot down over Iranian territorial waters and in a civilian aerospace corridor.
@@baddeali we all know that
Even if the pilots had heard the ship attempting to contact them on 121.5 MHz they may not have realised that they were the intended recipients.
Commerical pilots typically train themselves to ignore anything which does not start with their call sign.
Another factor would be if ICAO English was used or not.
Yeah, I just watched a more in-depth documentary on this. The attempts to contact the aircraft specified "Iranian fighter", "F-14", and "unidentified aircraft" - the pilots would know they can't be any of those, being a passenger aircraft with a transponder identifying it as such. The USS Sides was able to contact the plane and get it to turn twice before the missile was fired, but that wasn't enough.
I've read a report into this incident. It is believed that the air crew was monitoring guard, but would not have imagined that it was their aircraft being referred to. Not only was the call sign not used, nor the aircraft type, but it was a warning to a 'descending aircraft' and Iran Air at that time was still climbing. Also the message gave the ground speed numbers rather than the air speed numbers, which would obviously differ for a plane that is climbing.
"Despite the mistakes made in the downing of the plane, the crew of USS Vincennes were awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completion of their tours in a combat zone. The air warfare coordinator on duty received the Navy Commendation Medal,[13] but The Washington Post reported in 1990 that the awards were for his entire tour from 1984 to 1988 and for his actions relating to the surface engagement with Iranian gunboats.[84] In 1990, Rogers was awarded the Legion of Merit "for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer [...] from April 1987 to May 1989". The award was given for his service as the commanding officer of Vincennes from April 1987 to May 1989. The citation made no mention of the downing of Iran Air 655."
Though an interesting take, I don't think the Navy (or wider defense department) wee blind to the optics/message these awards would send.
Rogers shouldve been courtmartial for breaking the rules of engagement, gross negligence and whatever else, they could throw at him, and stripped of his rank and benefits at a minimum. But noooooo, lets whitewash it and give him a medal for "exceptionally meritorious conduct".
Even after all these years it still makes me want to throw up. Even back then with the US propaganda going full steam ahead and pretty much everything being classified, the US explanation smelled to high heavens, as did their complete refusal to take any responsibility or show any remorse instead blaming the friggin passenger plane, that was provably doing exactly, what it was supposed to do - flying in an international air corridor in contact with air traffic control.
Jack Tueton
Thank you fo actually doing your own research before just hating on something because its easy or goes with your own predisposed narrative.
Gotta love having notifications turned on!! Awesome video mate 😎
Thank you!
"I'll never apologize for the united states, ever. I don't care what the facts are." George H.W. Bush.
Former head of the CIA crime family.
Like father, like son. Like war criminal, like war criminal.
I was working as a councillor at a Summer Camp in the Catskills in NY when this happened. They got all the kids together in the auditorium and spoke to them about it, because some of the kids were freaking out that the country was at war or some such. I didn't even have a clue it had happened, remember this was 1988, so no mobiles, no internet, I didn't have a radio with me, there was no TV on the camp, at least that was available to us, and it was the middle of nowhere so it wasn't like we could pop down the shop to get a paper.
How did the kids know it had happened?
@@gwauk205 They had phone calls home to their parents, so I think it spread like that.
What a video. Thanks for uploading this masterpiece
Thank you for yet another incredible video. Your dedication to your audience and the safety of the industry are SO appreciated!
Thank you!
You do such a thorough great job with these story break downs
Thanks for the new vid, Chloe! I never knew about this incident. We've all heard of Russia blowing up passenger flights, but I wonder how many Americans are aware of Iran 655?
Your videos get better and better every day mate. Keep the good work. :)
Thank you!
I liked the extra insight near the end of this one. Didn’t even think about how it was portrayed by the media until you brought it up!
The biggest kick in the bollocks of this whole incident was that the crew of the Vincennes was given military honours when they returned home. It projects a very poor image of the US military.
Even if the investigation team felt the mistakes made by the crew were understandable due to stress or whatever, and that the decision to shoot down the Airbus was made on bad information, that doesn't erase the fact that the crew essentially killed 290 civilians. Giving them medals is in very very poor taste.
You're right. They shouldn't have gotten medals or given military honours.
Disgusting this is insulting. Captain has received a medal. I wonder what would us government said if this was the other way
We don't have to wonder because when russia shot down korean flight america was outraged over it.
Ship vs. Plane check💪🏿 Great video as always💯
Oh yeah I remember this incident. Reminds me of the later disaster of Malaysia MH17 being shot down over eastern Ukraine.
Or Ukraine International Airlines 752 in 2020.
@@pieseldatches it is extremely similar. Both in bad time, on international air corridor, miss communication, and order on false info. Except, Iran gov didn't give the soldier firing and the supervisor Medal of Honor, and they accepted responsibility fairly quick.
Edit: infact, the soldier who fired the cruise rocket got sentenced for his action.
@@nima9037 u forgot 2 mention that at least 139 Iranians were in that Ukraine plane
Great video. I remember this incident and was disgusted with the U.S.'s refusal to admit wrong.
Fantastic video!
Thanks
@@DisasterBreakdown no really, u make great videos!!!!!!!!!!
Easiest my favorite of all your videos. And I’ve watched them all.
This incident should’ve NEVER happened. 💯
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Your content just gets better and better.
Thanks!
I heard about this crash another great video
So erm, didmt binoculars exist in 1988? Could they not have seen what type of aircraft it with it? Inmean, you always see binoculars in the uamds of the navy no?
Ukraine 752 was weirdly similar to this albeit the roles were reversed and it was well a Ukraine airliner.
Today is actually the second anniversary of that horrific tragedy
Also you can see how American media portrayed that one as well.... Totally disgusting, specially considering what they did about the Iran Air case
I can't see any similarity,1- in that plane, there were at least 139 Iranians,2- the ppl responsible for it wasn't given a medal, 3- the Iranian commanders apologized 4 it
The bombing of Pan Am 103 a few months later is often thought of as payback for this shooting down....after Iran Air 655 a great many people expected some form of retaliation against the US and tragically they didn't have long to wait.
The difference is that Iran Air Flight 655 was a terrible accident. Pam Am 103 was a purposeful terrorist act, planting a bomb in the cargo hold.
iran had nothing to do with it it was a cia false flag to have an excuse to attack libya
surely they could see that the speed and altitude didn't match what would be expected from an F-14 on an attack run. Horrible incident. Should never have happened.
Hi, I spoke with a crew member of the Vincennes. He said me that the ship was under attack of gunboats. The Vincennes guns were firing resulting in huge noise in the ops room. When the anti air warfare officer asked for the altitude of the unknown aircraft, it was answered "increasing" but due to the noise the officer understood "decreasing" In that case, the ROE were achieved : high speed, fully inbound unkown aircraft, no radio contact, and decreasing altitude. The captain was authorised to fire for protection of her ship...
I reccomend watch “Mayday Air Crash investigation” of this case. That episode will show the psychological reasons, that they made such a drastic call. For example (as I remember) they had a film crew (civilians) on aboard and a Captian ALWAYS thinks of it’s own crew first and a “maybe its a civilian” is not enough.
Altough it’s still tragic what happend with Iran Air 655. Rest in peace all of them.
Ur videos are very good!
Thanks for watching!
A very brave and I think even-handed account of this event, and as ever fluently delivered.
I have seen this story before and I've always been wondering: How did they manage to accurately hit a plane that was ascending if they thought it was descending?
The type of missiles they fired use on-board radar to correct their course. They're designed to hit jets taking evasive action.
Its not like shooting a bullet from a gun, they just needed to shoot the missile in the right direction, the missile guidance system locked on and did the rest itself - kinda like a torpedo.
@@dfuher968 i'm not certain about modern torpedoes, but WWII-era torpedoes were not guided. They moved in a straight line until they hit something.
The fact that this captain wasn’t charged and other airline pilots who couldn’t really save their planes or made mistakes that didn’t contribute immensely on the accident were charged is infuriating. What makes it worse was he was awarded.
This is just so angering, A completely preventable loss of life due to negligence and the American military being very trigger happy
They were actively under attack by Iranian gunboats. The USS Stark had been mauled a few months earlier by 2 Exocet missiles fired from a Civilian Commercial aircraft. This incident occurred almost entirely within the fog of war. It’s tragic. And yes better steps should have been taken to prevent it.
nah the americans wanted to kill iranians because they are racist
'hello plane, what are you?'
'i am a plane.'
"The only civilian frequency they could contact the flight was on the distress frequency, but the flight was not in distress". Wasn't it common practice to monitor 121.500 in the 80's? If so, when did it become mandatory?
It is understandable to see why Iran has anti American propaganda painted on entire sides of giant buildings in the centre of their cities. Unfortunately the shooting down of civilian aircraft by trigger happy, nervous, or confused combatants over war zones, restricted air space, or accidentally flying over national borders, is a phenomenon the international community needs to address because this will keep reoccurring. I guess it doesn't happen often enough for serious action to be taken.
Thanks for such an unbiased presentation.
Thank you for trying to put the full event in context of what was going on in the Persian Gulf at the time. But you did miss one other bit of critical context. The USS Stark incident. A few months prior to IA 655, another US Missile Frigate. The USS Stark was hit and very severely damaged by 2 French built Exocet Missiles. With Substantial Casualties and loss of life. It was at the time the single worst attack on a US Naval vessel since the end of WW2. These Missiles were fired from a Civilian Commercial Aircraft. An Iragi heavily modified Dassault Falcon 50 Business jet, that was using a Civilian Transponder. Knowing that you can start to see how and why the Vincennes crew reacted in the way they did. There were flaws in their actions. And the inability to communicate with civilian aircraft was an inexcusable oversight. Which also showed up in other incidents of the time period. But it does show that the Vincennes crew and commander were not simply being paranoid or trigger happy. They still had the smolder wreckage of the Stark on their minds. A ship that when faced with a similar decision point made the other choice, and paid the price for it. Context is critical. Especially when looking at an active and very dangerous warzone.
Funny how people just want to over look this event.
never the less, an American warship sailing in Iranian territorial waters had no business shooting down a civilian commercial airliner. Furthermore, as you stated, the USS stark incident pertains to an Iraqi jet that was retrofitted. Keep in mind that the U.S was allied with Iraq at this time and even sent military and economical aid to Iraq. The most shocking thing about both of these incidents was the U.S response. Iraq had, albeit unintentionally, killed several U.S servicemen and the U.S didn't even launch an investigation into the incident, instead baselessly blaming Iran for it. Just like they did with the Iran air incident.
Simply put, this incident could've easily been avoided if the U.S were to take notes from the USS stark incident, properly demanding compensation from the previous incident. Furthermore, the very least the U.S could do was to accept liability for the incident that was to full extent their fault, but instead the U.S chose to avoid responsibility and even awarded the crew with awards and honor, completely ignoring the fact that their Navy had undoubtably just commited an act of international terrorism (this definition could be argued to be incorrect, but generally speaking, the incident does fall under the label of terrorism or at the very least, negligible mass homicide as stated by Cpt Rogers himself)
Andrew, Thanks for bringing this up, I was about to do the same. It's an important piece of context.
I also thank you for bringing this up. It was weighing heavily on Captain Rogers, as the CO of the USS Stark was stripped of command and forced to retire for his inaction in dealing with a likely threat. The Navy awarded the crew of the Vincennes not for their action of shooting down the aircraft, but for their actions in dealing with a potential threat. The thinking was that while the outcome was terrible, if future commanders didn't take the same actions more lives would be lost. This is really bad logic, but it makes sense viewed through the attitudes at the time.
I know a lot about the USS Stark incident as it was the sister ship to my dad's ship, the USS Reid. He gave us a tour of the Reid and walked us through the sections that were hit and gave us all the details about what happened.
4:43 why a model of a King George V-class battleship? Those were British warships that never saw service after WWII, much less the 1980s. The only battleships at the time, period, would've been the reactivated Iowa-class (which I believe you used footage of at several points). And this is a bit more pedantic, but "battleship" is a specific classification of ship, not a generic term for any kind of combat ship, which would be "warship"
Imagine trying to blame the country who's passenger plane you just shot down with no real justification. U.S. government & military have always been international bullies
Don't worry. The U.S. doesn't have much more time to exist. It will end up just like ancient Rome soon. It is a declining society. Immoral and decadent. God should never have blessed the USA. How could he bless a country that was stolen?
@@badgerden7080
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Hitler and Putin both said hold my beer.
Did the captain not know that they had no way to transmit on civilian frequencies?
He wasn't certain they were military, but expected a response despite him literally not having the radio for it 🤦♂️
WHY DIDN'T THE SHIP HAVE THAT KIND OF RADIO ANYWAYS!?!
Nice, thank you
I have always thought the West allowed the Lockerbie "accident", which was 6 months later, to happen to compensate for this incident.
Bravo 👏 well documented and finally, a non-biased view of this horrendous tragedy
I feel like a lot of the comments are confused about the awards. Those were not given out because of the flight 655 tragedy. They were given out because he served the navy for over 30 years. This is just one of those fucked up situation where it's not really one person's fault but a lot of people making smaller mistake leading up to a huge tragedy and it is very saddening for everyone involved.
I'm an American and I had forgotten about Iran Air Flight 655 until this week. I was born in 1998 after all. The way that the media framed the Navy's colossal screw-up that killed 290 innocent people was gross! 😠
Interesting ... I seemed to remember from back then that the passenger jet was used for both civilian and military purposes (as a troop transporter), and a loose contact in its transponder made it switch between its civilian and military transponder code, and so got misidentified.
The story as presented here makes much more sense to me than what I read back then ...
Thinking again this might have been a case of "lost in translation", confusing "aircraft" and "airport", as the airport was indeed dual-use, and both the A300 and F14 transponder codes were related to that dual use airport ...
Notice never heard that mentioned here.
@@aldenunion Well, could he cite a source other than a youTube comment about a loose wire in a transponder?
As for an airport being used by both civilians and military, do you realise that this is true of quite a number of airports in the US?
I've watched every video on this channel (over the past week or so) but this one really got to me. The fact that the warship didn't have the capability to communicate on civilian radio frequencies is absolutely horrifying.
On an unrelated note, what music is used in this video? The music is wonderfully unsettling and I'd love to know what it is so I can listen to it more.
If you watch the air crash investigation episode on Iran air 655 that goes into more detail but this video is a great overall view. So I understand the captain of the ship was following information given by this crew but like others have said can you imagine if Iran shot down a US airliner in US airspace in a international air corridor. There would be absolute outrage I mean seriously carnage so much I couldn’t even explain it using words in a comment section. But this just seemed like they went OH WELL, Just one of those things I mean what a Insult to the families for the crew to receive awards for there work after the accident
At 4:31 is that a KGV class battle ship? Why? Was there no other stock footage at all available?
Oh dear, another rivet counter eh? Ever heard of creative license? It's not a technical report on specific aircraft!
Wow, I think this is my favorite video of yours yet! You perfectly narrated the timeline while also providing a surprisingly concise yet just in-depth enough description of the context of the situation. The little note at the end about the differences between American media's portrayal of this and similar events was the cherry on top. Amazing job, incredible to see you getting better and better with every video and can't wait for the next one!
Thanks so much for watching!
Wow. The quality of the content on this channel just keeps getting better and better every video. Great work and keep it up.
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Iran Air Flight 655
"Let's try to contact this aircraft to see if it's a military plane"
*Plane responds* - It's military! Shoot it down!
*Plane doesn't respond because it doesn't have military radio* Hmmm...something isn't right here....SHOOT IT DOWN!
America in a nutshell.
tell us you are overly simplistic without admitting it outright.
Hardly.
Some more facts to consider: The USS Sides and USS Montgomery were operating in a Surface Action Group and their crews knew about the daily flights out of Bandar Abbas. They even communicated that before and after the shoot down to other ships. The Airport at Bandar Abbas was a joint use field, civilian aircraft and military flying from the same air field. F-14s based at the Airport were strictly fighters where as aircraft like the P-3s did carry Air to Surface weapons. Another factor was the attack on the USS Stark in 1987, which was also fresh in the minds of US Sailors and Commanders. The crews of the Sides,Montgomery and IIRC a third ship suggested the Vincennes to remain at its station prior to the shoot down and did not seem to have a high opinion of the Vincennes.
15:34 As an American, I appreciate you pointing this out.
So...I can make out the shape of a commercial airliner flying at cruise altitude with my naked eyes...youre telling me they dont have a dude on the deck with a pair of binoculars?!?
Although the crew of the Vincennes were acting on what information they had, the fact that they chose to fire upon a plane which the ship’s instruments couldn’t conclusively identify as an enemy fighter is infuriating. The idea of attacking something when you don’t know for sure what it is, in a situation where you aren’t in immediate danger and thus don’t have the justification of reflexes or whatnot, is baffling and horrifying to me and I can’t fathom how someone can make that decision, turn out to be wrong and murder innocent civilians, and still be hailed as a hero. It’s equally horrible that militaries around the world (and especially the United States, it seems, what with all our drone strikes and large-scale weaponry) seem so alright with inflicting civilian casualties.
Which is why when you see western leaders condemn Russia, when they blood of millions are on their hands
We are all subjected to propaganda on a daily basis...in each and every country we live in. The internet has been and I hope will continue to be a place where we can research and find out more than 'they' are willing to say. CZcams creators such as yourself make very valuable and salient points. Thank you.
''A potential passenger plane not responding to our military radio frequency, we wonder why. The radar is showing a relatively slow-moving plane that could by no means be a high-speed warplane. Eh probably a military aircraft let's shoot a missile at it gobbly goob what could go possibly wrong.''
(Even if it *WAS* an military aircraft that isn't responding to your signals and you know it's a military aircraft for certain, you still have no rights to shoot it because there might be a lot of factors for it not responding. Maybe its radar is turned off. Maybe it's not expecting your ship to be here to begin with and doesn't answer it because [insert one of many reasons here], maybe it's on a routine patrolling flight...)
This video is for the most part good just some minor details that a warship guy like me cringed at like calling the missile cruiser a battleship. battleships are ships with big guns and (normally) don't have missiles and were (mostly) out of service or being reactivated in 1988 and it just makes a warship fan unhappy when ships that are not battleships are called battleships
There were 66 children to
It is so baffling to me that Americans has done so many horrible things to civilians yet they are being idolized and treated as heroes in almost every situation. Propaganda much?
I think you have created a good video here, very fair and balanced. I take your point about the disparity in the American media coverage of the KAL flight and the Iran Air flight. That is a valid observation. Nonetheless, the Soviet media are likely to have done the same. Furthermore, every nation is guilty of hypocrisy and contradiction when it comes to their own actions and the actions of their 'enemy' so to speak.
Im an American and this is just how the military and police do things, commendations and awards for shit everyone else views as sketchy af.. this kind of shit shud NEVER happen with all the technology thats available
i KNOW that the best way to avoid being shut down is to not fly over areas of conflict in the first place, BUT why is there not a mandate of airlines operating on conflict areas be equipped with countermeasures? MH17 is just the latest one. If the aviation industry is so cautious about everything and learing from mistakes, then countermeasures SHOULD have been mandated for airlines operating in and or near conflict areas. It's already a miracle that an all out war didn't happen.
Which airline is going to modify their aircraft to put in countermeasures? What is the extra risk of on board fire if a countermeasure malfunctions? How should they train the crew in using them by firing dummy missiles at them? and also updating the countermeasures as newer missiles come along? Even then, a lot of the countermeasures depend on firing the countermeasure and then making a tight turn away from the area. Nobody is making 7g turns in an airbus 300.
@@jimbobeire Not to mention airline liability; putting in countermeasures is essentially admitting they knew they're flying in an unsafe area and shouldn't be there in the first place. Kinda like a 'beware of dog' sign, and Rover then bites someone; the sign indicates the owner knows his dog is dangerous and won't have much of a defense when the person who got bit sues the owner, despite trespassing.
war crime, this was never an accident
If Iran did the same and give the same excuse,US will sanction invade them saying they are terrorist ..