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I really love your video,. Can you please tell me which software do you use make such good animation. Please can you tell me 🙏🙏 I really wanted to know please 🙏🙏
Thank you Chloe. Just a top level documentary once again. Love the detail, sources provided, esthetics. I hope it's as good as you wanted it to be. I can't see no flaws at all.
Here in Sydney they both drop shortly *after* my bedtime 😭 But I know it's going to be a good Sunday morning! (I'd already watched this a couple of times through Patreon, else I might have had to stay up too late 😅)
What is often overlooked by many in discussing the Swissair 111 disaster is that the culprit wiring for the in-flight entertainment system was installed by a third-party vendor who didn't consult with McDonnell Douglas beforehand as how to properly integrate their equipment into the plane's electrical system. Further, the wiring was continually live, as there were no "shutoff" switches, circuit breakers or other protection. This is akin to wiring an aftermarket stereo system for your car directly to the battery terminals without including fuses, only in this case with much more dire consequences. And these circumstances make Swissair 111 all the more tragic, as it was the least important system on the plane that ended up bringing it down.
@@Adam-kn3tv Sorry, I should have written : ‘Never underestimate the feelings of « the least important system » in the hierarchy, for they may revolt.’ I was thinking of Stephen King’s movie ‘Maximum Overdrive’
Since I wouldn't fly without *some* form of in-flight entertainment, it's a *crucial* system for passenger aircraft if airlines want paying passengers.
@@briansusbielles5955 I know someone has fleshed out a wiki article on one incident using one of my videos. Maybe we'll et one for Monarch 390, who knows!
I have created and rewritten air accident articles on Wikipedia. To be worthy of an article, the accident or incident must have led to changes in aviation (or meet other notability requirements, which is difficult when nobody died). It's possible that argument could be sustained with the contribution of Kapton to this and other accidents. I will look into making an article. (On Wikipedia I am Dcs002. Here on YT I also use the account dcs002.)
I found this channel back in January the same night my grandmother passed away. My grandad, who passed in late 2022, was a lifelong airplane mechanic, with the us air force and then as a civilian until he retired. My grandmother unfortunately had undiagnosed schizophrenia and later dementia, but my grandad in his old age was still able to tell and explain to me almost anything I could ask about airplanes. I also had an unfortunate childhood and my grandparents were the only family members that were able and offered to help me, but my mother wouldn't allow it. I haven't found any other channels that give me the same familiar and comforting experience as this channel does when it comes to aircraft and air disasters, and I really love the level of research that is done to complete these videos ❤
I think Monarch 390 was probably a victim of the aviation situation in 1985. It was the second deadliest year in aviation history, with those three major crashes (Japan Airlines 123, Air India 182, and the Arrow Air crash in Canada) taking up most of the news cycle. 2,010 people died that year. And January 1, 1985 had the crash of Eastern Air Lines 980 in Bolivia, and since they didn't find the wreckage until 2016, I'm sure finding the wreckage of that flight was still huge news when Monarch 390 happened. Without any fatalities or injuries, this one got drowned out by everything else.
Nah. Nobody died. As such, IIRC it didn't even rate a mention on the evening news in the UK. It was just a plane that had a problem, diverted, and all the passengers got flown home later on a different plane. I knew about it at the time, only because my father was a Senior Flight Engineer at BA, and as such, he kept well informed of any potential problems in aviation. At the time, IIRC, it was regarded more as a case of leaking fluids getting where they shouldn't, than any particular problem with the insulation. It was only after the Swissair crash that there was an understanding that Kapton may have a problem, but even then the flammable thermal insulation was seen as the greater issue. That's the problem with this type of issue, it takes time for enough evidence to form for anyone to realize there's an issue, and due to the widespread use of the material, and the limited number of reported incidents connected to the material's degradation, it took decades to even know there was a problem to address. Sure, there were incidents & accidents happening, but they were easily explained as physical damage to the insulation, or chemical contamination of the insulation - not as the insulation itself having a problem. How could it be, when there were thousands of flights every day where Kapton worked perfectly? Hindsight is always 20/20. NOW we can look at an incident and say "it's obvious", but at the time? Not obvious at all...
Outside of Sully’s Miracle on the Hudson, aviation incidents that don’t end in complete catastrophe tend to fade very quickly from the public zeitgeist. Except for Aviation and Disaster nerds.
That was also the year of British Airtours flight 28m in Manchester, one accident that changed everything. 1985 was a very sad year in aviation, but at least we learned a lot, and those tragic lessons were actually put into regulations and practices in the airlines, doubtless saving many lives since.
I'm a pilot and I find that this channel and mentour pilot channel are really the ONLY ones you need to watch for detailed accurate descriptions of aircraft accidents. As a bonus, this one also does detailed vids on other types of distasters. Top stuff.
Chloe is an extremely lovable person. I’m very very happy to see how much growth she has achieved with her very obviously high level of intelligence. Awesome video. I was here from the beginning and she’s always been this gifted and considerate and detailed. She deserves this attention, respect, support, and more. May you reach the stars, Chloe. You have nowhere to go but up
Wait, this is a man's voice. Isn't it? I'm new to the channel but this sounds like a man to me. Unless a woman makes the videos and a man narrates them 🤔
Really appreciate the level of research AND the respect for those involved which is demonstrated by Chloe and other good disaster breakdown CZcamsrs (Green Dot Aviation, Brick Immortar, etc). A lot of work to commit to, in comparison to the surface-level & insensitive overdramatic coverage one often sees! But it's much appreciated; and I do believe the wider safety management lessons pointed up by these episodes are applicable well outside the aviation industry?
5:58 I love the guy twisting Live, Neutral, and Ground all together! Stock fottage never disappoints! Also good work on another amazing video! Always a treat when i see a new one in my feed. Cheers
Arcing events should trip circuit breakers. Generic Chinese Kapton tape is still widely used in industrial equipment, amateur electronics, and computer assembly around the world. Unfortunately, there are probably plenty of non-aviation incidents that could be attributed to the use of generic (and perhaps counterfeit) Kapton.
My son works for Airbus satellite division and they use it in their satellites. I don't know exactly whereabouts though. It may not be for wiring but in another application.
WOW! So glad they all made it safe no injuries, no fatalities! I had no idea they used kapton for insulation! I use it on my electronics, but mainly for shielding, no way would ever want it wrapped around any high amp wiring, esp if Im at 30,000ft!
Very informative. Thank you. I’ve always had a great interest in the swissair flight since a friend’s parents perished on that flight. And subsequently I wouldn’t fly for 15 years. I did finally get over my paralyzing fear and I now find watching your videos and Mentour Pilots’ have helped reduce my flight nerves even more. Keep up the great work. Thanks
Yes they are both the crème of aviation safety commentators. Chloe brings fine nuance and dedicated investigation into her reports (as shown in the wiring discussion) and Petter is particularly effective when explaining specific navigation and piloting safety.
Brilliant as always, Chloe! I was very relieved to hear that there were no injuries or fatalities in the Monarch flight, a rare instance on this channel. Much love!
Strategically positioning a loo straight above a critical electrical component (like a power distribution board) and not providing even a simple plastic seamless shroud / trough to divert any liquids was an excellent example of Boeing's engineering ingenuity.
i don't even know anything about airplanes and yet whenever i see your vids show up im delighted. you present your info so well and make sure that your audience cares. keep up the good work!
An example of a polymer that avoids a lot of the drawbacks (decay) of polyimides is Kevlar; a polyaramid. By incorporating some aryl carbon rings for stability, it breaks down far, far slower (and is as a bonus excellent at resisting impacts).
Aramid does of course have drawbacks too like being very sensitive to UV exposure. But as with most things in mechanical engineering it's about weighing pro's and cons for the application.
on one occasion an etihad airlines a340 registered as LO-BTA suffered a kapton fire while on the takeoff roll. thankfully the plane hadn't reached V1 speed yet and the pilots were able to stop the plane from taking off.there was one fatality when a flight attendant rick napes was hurt by the fire initially but died 8 months later because of suspected internal burns which couldn't be treated.
6:58 Indeed it has many advantages. Another one not mentioned in this video is that it is very resistant to outgassing, meaning that it can be used in ultra high vacuum without causing contamination or ruining the vacuum. I did a bunch of wiring for a physics experiment that involves first a high vacuum, then liquid xenon. This basically meant all wiring had to be insulated with either Teflon or Kapton. Kapton is, on the balance, the stronger material (Teflon flows under compression). But Kapton sucks at abrasion resistance, in particular in wire insulation, because the insulation is not a monolithic extrusion like normal PVC insulation and most Teflon. Instead, Kapton insulation is basically Kapton tape wrapped around it in countless layers. This causes it to sorta shred under abrasion, since each layer can tear somewhat independently. Just pulling it through a tightly fitting, perfectly round hole can start to cause bunching up of the insulation. So while Kapton wire has many advantages, including one big one over Teflon (Kapton is radiation-resistant, whereas radiation quickly degrades Teflon), it’s also fickle, not to mention its extremely high cost, and difficulty to work with. (Because of the wrapped insulation, it’s very difficult to strip.)
I sure hope this large american company that existed during the 30s did not do anything that would age terribly. I am certain their CEOs have always been normal people
Wasn't Dupon the same company that invented "Teflon" and killed hundreds (if not thousands) of people, because "nobody" has known that the waste of the Teflon production is high toxic?
@@zyavoosvawleilte1308i grew up next to a town whose lake was polluted by a dupont arms plant that operated from 1902-94. They were dumping runoff into the town’s recreational lake. The contaminated, carcinogenic lakebed sediment seeped into the groundwater creating a “plume” underneath a hundred or so homes. Cancer rates spiked in the late 90s/early 2000s and into the 2010s. dupont spent millions covering up the accident, worsening the issue with shoddy “solutions”, and fighting several lawsuits until finally they were forced to pay for the lake’s entire refurbishment. The town refused to make it a superfund site until pretty recently. I remember as a child thinking it was bizarre to name a town “Pompton Lakes” when you couldn’t even fish or swim there. Dupont are a horrible company that have brutally killed American citizens with longterm illness for their capital interests, and the government is no help in preventing that.
Your perfect diction and pronunciation combined with a respectable vocabulary make your videos highly watchable and a pure pleasure to hear. Your research and obvious knowledge create insight which is scarcely matched even by older experienced pilots, aviators and researchers. Nice friggin work!
Fantastic example of great piloting. I can't imagine the horror of seeing all your displays go blank, smelling plastic burning, then just praying that whatever damage has been done is minimal.
Didn’t expect a video so soon after Chloe - The Movie. Great content. I find your voice really soothing, and love listening to your videos while I relax.
I saw this aircraft many, many times during its career with Monarch and I never knew it had been involved in such a serious incident. Thanks Chloe for another excellent and informative video. I always look forward to new videos from yourself, as well as Mentour and Green Dot, my other "go to" channels for accident investigation content. I know it is a bit of an oldie, but one disaster I would very much like to see a proper video about is the destruction of BOAC 707 G-ARWE at Heathrow on 08/04/1968. It was destroyed by fire when it crash landed after an in flight engine explosion. This was the very earliest thing I ever remember clearly seeing on the BBC News, when I was a mere 6 years old.
I've enjoyed seeing your channel grow in production value and length of video (so many disaster channels try and fit everything into 10 minutes, and that just can't cover it). Being a paranoid fucker when it comes to flying I always love learning about new ways I can potentially horribly die. Keep up the great work!
Ahem! That should read "could've horribly died". For all its faults, Aviation is one of the few industries where there is a constant effort to reduce the chances of horrible death, to the extent that the most dangerous part of any airline flight is getting to or from the airport. The flying itself is the safe bit!
Unknown incident to me! Surprisingly good outcome too. Reading "brought down" in the title made me think about a crash. Super interesting stuff and detailed explanations as always on this channel. 😎
I'm a huge aviation buff, my pops is a pilot and was a maintainer at united for years, grand dad was a charter pilot, so it's safe to say we have jet fuel in our veins. Your videos are so well researched and dove so deeply, I'd argue theyre the best on CZcams. I knew nothing of Kapton and love learning new bits of aviation history. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Chloe, your videos just get better and better. I am so amazed at the wonderful work that you do, and I just love your personality and wit. Don’t ever change. ❤
Should say that Kapton is still an amazing tape with all sorts of use in electronics etc. Sure it has risks in certain environments like this, so either shouldn't be used or should be limited there. But people need to make sure not to demonize the tape itself because the stuff is amazing.
Chloe, you won't believe it, the German company "Märklin" used Kapton too, for insulating their magnet coil in the switches of the model railroad. Kapton simply vanished in the 80 as insulation. Now I know why. Especially when kids play with a model railroad, the Kapton will become less durable, and short circuits will happen. On a modell railroad for kids? What if the carpet starts to burn, and the parents are not at home? 😮
It was widely used in the model railroad industry, but accessories use 3-9V current, and traction is maximum 24V so arcing event are way less dangerous. (most of the time there is no arc, just a short).
@@elnalaombrebois5665yes, but back in the days the fuses where not so fast as today's electronically fuses, and the power Transformator delivered up to 1A. It was not a rare event that the wheels of train where solderd to the track due the high current in approximately 1second untill the fuse cut the power of. Today the fuses react in some milliseconds.
CHLOE! i just have to write a comment about how passionate you are in your videos! i love learning about these incidents and i just wanna say thank you for making these videos
Hello! I recently discovered your channel and I'm marathoning all the videos. I'm Brazilian and I would like to point out a case, the Vasp 168 accident. Both the accident, the CVR audio and what happened afterwards, everything is very macabre, especially the report from the rescue teams. It's very worth it.
Your videos on aviation incidents are by far my “favorites” (kind of a strange word I know, as they are of course often-in part-retellings of the tragic, needless, and traumatic loss of life); you are thorough & transparent in your research, skilled with your editing/production & narration, and your enthusiasm for this topic translates delightfully through the quality of your work. I also really enjoyed your recent (I think) video where you made more of an on-screen appearance! You make a great documentary host!
I'm only at 5:02 in this video. Can I just applaud you.👏👏👏👏👏☺. I just love your charisma dedication and value of all your hard work you put into these videos so we,the couch potatoes can sit back in our lazy boy recliner in one hand eat potato chips and in the other hand a bag of chocolate and drink our soft drinks with the remote not for from either hand.😁 Yes we get to enjoy these vids and all of the fruits of your labor,and for this I for one am very grateful too you. I came across your channel months back and your vids are different,different in the fact you go above and beyond in your work,I'm sure you spend many hours on each video,again thank you as it shows. Your narration and voice personality are all top notch. I'm a huge CZcamsr and I go through my binges as per what I watch. Your channel is always in the mix as I'm always looking so forward to your next great piece of work. I'm patient though as I know you are doing your very best to bring us the best,and for that it takes time. Your videos are like fine wine,"there'll be no wines before it's time." I wish you and your channel the very best and look forward to your projects. Greetings from Atlanta 4.26.2024
> Incidents involving inflight fire > Mentions McDonnell Douglas > Shows Swissair's MD-11 > Shows cable from HB-IWF 'Vaud' I hope this is not a foreshadowing of what comes up next...
I watched a few of your vids, theyre exactly the typa topics im interested in so its nice to find another cool youtuber who makes disaster documentaries. Keep it up chloe :) I’ll definitely watch whenever you upload next
Great video, Chloe! I am an old guy, and remember the news story concerning wiring issues in multiple airframes in the 90's. Good, concise information in this video.
Regarding the Swiss Air flight - didn’t they decide to fuel dump over the Atlantic Ocean, rather than head to the nearest available airport? Obviously procedure is to dump fuel, but I think that it was said, that if they hadn’t fuel dumped, they would probably have made it back to the nearest airport in time, before the fire engulfed the plane.
@@DisasterBreakdown Ibiza (no, I didn't, I was 5) and Menorca. 2 weeks in the school holidays. I hated having to go home. I cried. I guess that's why I live on the other side of the world now.
@@smk2457 For me it was always Malaga. The sadness that comes over you when you descend under the British Cloud mid August is a big punch in the gut :(
i havent watched your channel (or any aviation disaster content in general) for a while and started again recently and i luv how you stylize your newer vids more esp in the writing. big fan of airplanes being described as living things, like talking about its "guts" and whatnot.
The Swissair 111 haunts me till this day as it happens one day after I haf arrived safely in Zurich with a Swissair MD11. Maybe it was even the same plane, I never found out. Great job Chloe, always nice to watch a video about an incident without fatalities.
I was an avionics mechanic for an airline with the largest fleet of L-1011's from the mid 80's until the planes were gone. Kapton wiring was a constant problem for us. It would crack easily in high vibration areas, and with bending or stresses at connector pins. Cracks would cause internment problems that were hell to solve at times. One of the less mentioned problems was after heavy maintenance visits and mods, metal shavings would get in the wire bundles and cause mystery glitches. The deterioration of the wiring was considered manageable, at least in public, but probably played a factor in scrapping that king of beasts. If you were a good mechanic on that airplane, you had something to be proud of.
paid off to trust my instinct when this became my main aviation related channel years ago, the change in quality is incredible, we are getting well fed. congratulations on the milestone, it is well deserved!
I read a theory that bad Kapton wiring plus MPET caused the fire in SAA295, which would be interesting if that was also a warning sign missed for Swissair 111
Thank you for this highly interesting Documentary! I watched the whole thing wile doing soldering work on one of my RC Aircraft (how ironic lol) and i had to put the soldering iron to the side to fully concentrate on the video as it was suprisingly intresting. Sorry if my english is a little meh, greetings from Germany!
Woohoo looking forward to this but also being respectful for any loss of life and/or injuries. I’ve now joined your Patreon team too! Thanks for all the hard work you’ve put in.
New subscriber here! I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for producing such quality content. Your in-depth information on weather related accidents is very interesting. Are you a meteorologist?
The Airbus A320 'glass cockpit', was way more advanced than the Boeing 757 in 1985. Together with the A320's large LCD's (which displaced many of the analogue displays seen on the Boeing 757), it also incorporated FBW (Fly-By-Wire) side stick controls.
Amazing, high quality video as always! I’ve been a viewer since the Binter Flight 8261 video, and I’ve been hooked since! I would really like you to do a video on one of my country’s deadliest air disasters: TAA Flight 538, it lead to Australia making black boxes mandatory so it was a very influential crash.
Wow! That's a long time to be a viewer :) I definately want to do a video on an Austalian incident. I am looking for any excuse to fly out to Australia :)
Wow, Chloe got snarky there hehe. Thanks for bringing my attention to another incident I was not aware of, and giving it a full fleshing out. Great video and well edited and explained. 👍
Those look *exactly* like the electrical activity from my fire investigation days. You get the same spray or flow of molten copper (notching and beading) in faulty electrical devices and damaged wiring. The amber devil isn't as much of a concern on the ground, thankfully... (It's been dehumidifier motor terminals, mains "X" filter capacitors, dodgy unprotected splices, and prolonged space heater usage in prewar or early postwar housing stock.) There's some impulse that causes people to reset popped breakers without checking things out, even when they should know better. I'm guilty of it myself.
"Scandi Airlines FLT *666* " 20:13 Not entirely sure what they were expecting but having the plane suddenly burst into flames would have been near the top of my list.
Great video, as usual! I used to work in space & defense and we used Kapton tape a lot. I'm in aerospace now and we do a lot of harness reinforcement where the clips sit on the harness. Haven't seen Kapton tape, thank God.
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should point out that the reference document is restricted. I can't read it
@@OwlRTA Ahhh thanks! I have now fixed that. Silly of me to forget that 🤦♀
I really love your video,. Can you please tell me which software do you use make such good animation. Please can you tell me 🙏🙏 I really wanted to know please 🙏🙏
Thank you Chloe. Just a top level documentary once again. Love the detail, sources provided, esthetics. I hope it's as good as you wanted it to be. I can't see no flaws at all.
No. 😂😂🤣😂
Chloe and Petter from Mentour Pilot both dropping vids this morning, we are hashtag blessed!
Eating well today :)
Here in Sydney they both drop shortly *after* my bedtime 😭 But I know it's going to be a good Sunday morning! (I'd already watched this a couple of times through Patreon, else I might have had to stay up too late 😅)
Yes yes yes😊...both my favorite chanells 😊😊😊
Hahahaha, that's 100% right! Just finished both...not enough time yesterday. Terrific videos!
Watching this right after Petter’s video 😂
What is often overlooked by many in discussing the Swissair 111 disaster is that the culprit wiring for the in-flight entertainment system was installed by a third-party vendor who didn't consult with McDonnell Douglas beforehand as how to properly integrate their equipment into the plane's electrical system. Further, the wiring was continually live, as there were no "shutoff" switches, circuit breakers or other protection. This is akin to wiring an aftermarket stereo system for your car directly to the battery terminals without including fuses, only in this case with much more dire consequences. And these circumstances make Swissair 111 all the more tragic, as it was the least important system on the plane that ended up bringing it down.
Never 👎 the feelings of the butt in the hierarchy of the systems, they may revolt.
No protection at all? I hope they were prosecuted for manslaughter at least. Horrifying.
@@minhthunguyendang9900 "feelings of the butt"? Which feelings are you referring to?
@@Adam-kn3tv
Sorry, I should have written :
‘Never underestimate the feelings of « the least important system » in the hierarchy, for they may revolt.’
I was thinking of Stephen King’s movie
‘Maximum Overdrive’
Since I wouldn't fly without *some* form of in-flight entertainment, it's a *crucial* system for passenger aircraft if airlines want paying passengers.
This accident doesn't have its own Wiki page. I love that you found this and I'd like to know more of these unfamiliar incidents.
it is mentioned on wikipedia, under Monarch's Wikipedia Page, but that's it.
@@DisasterBreakdown thats what I mean. It’s there but not on its own separate page like other major accidents, even if non-fatal
@@briansusbielles5955 I know someone has fleshed out a wiki article on one incident using one of my videos. Maybe we'll et one for Monarch 390, who knows!
I have created and rewritten air accident articles on Wikipedia. To be worthy of an article, the accident or incident must have led to changes in aviation (or meet other notability requirements, which is difficult when nobody died). It's possible that argument could be sustained with the contribution of Kapton to this and other accidents. I will look into making an article. (On Wikipedia I am Dcs002. Here on YT I also use the account dcs002.)
You have just *wonderful* timing today, Chloe. I just finished a workshop and now have a trip home to make-more than enough time to watch.
Hope you enjoy the video!
@@DisasterBreakdownA wonderful one, as always! I can really appreciate the recent uptick in quality, and I really enjoyed watching it. Thank you!!
Same here, Best time to enjoy these videos... Coffee and disaster breakdown makes my commute easy.
Hi Chloe...another fab video as always.❤❤❤@@DisasterBreakdown
Mac double d....sounds like a burger.lol🤣🤣🤣
I never realize how much tension is in my body until there's a safe landing when I watch these.
Great video as always!!
The amount of info and knowledge in your videos is incredible. And also the images wow better than Netflix docs 👏🏼
Thank you!
Agreed
I found this channel back in January the same night my grandmother passed away. My grandad, who passed in late 2022, was a lifelong airplane mechanic, with the us air force and then as a civilian until he retired. My grandmother unfortunately had undiagnosed schizophrenia and later dementia, but my grandad in his old age was still able to tell and explain to me almost anything I could ask about airplanes. I also had an unfortunate childhood and my grandparents were the only family members that were able and offered to help me, but my mother wouldn't allow it. I haven't found any other channels that give me the same familiar and comforting experience as this channel does when it comes to aircraft and air disasters, and I really love the level of research that is done to complete these videos ❤
I think Monarch 390 was probably a victim of the aviation situation in 1985. It was the second deadliest year in aviation history, with those three major crashes (Japan Airlines 123, Air India 182, and the Arrow Air crash in Canada) taking up most of the news cycle. 2,010 people died that year. And January 1, 1985 had the crash of Eastern Air Lines 980 in Bolivia, and since they didn't find the wreckage until 2016, I'm sure finding the wreckage of that flight was still huge news when Monarch 390 happened. Without any fatalities or injuries, this one got drowned out by everything else.
I enjoyed being on the 57 until LaudaAir. Just like my preference for Malaysian Airlines. Gone Also. Airbus took me a while to feel comfortable with
Nah. Nobody died. As such, IIRC it didn't even rate a mention on the evening news in the UK. It was just a plane that had a problem, diverted, and all the passengers got flown home later on a different plane. I knew about it at the time, only because my father was a Senior Flight Engineer at BA, and as such, he kept well informed of any potential problems in aviation. At the time, IIRC, it was regarded more as a case of leaking fluids getting where they shouldn't, than any particular problem with the insulation. It was only after the Swissair crash that there was an understanding that Kapton may have a problem, but even then the flammable thermal insulation was seen as the greater issue.
That's the problem with this type of issue, it takes time for enough evidence to form for anyone to realize there's an issue, and due to the widespread use of the material, and the limited number of reported incidents connected to the material's degradation, it took decades to even know there was a problem to address. Sure, there were incidents & accidents happening, but they were easily explained as physical damage to the insulation, or chemical contamination of the insulation - not as the insulation itself having a problem. How could it be, when there were thousands of flights every day where Kapton worked perfectly?
Hindsight is always 20/20. NOW we can look at an incident and say "it's obvious", but at the time? Not obvious at all...
@@gchampi2 Ok yeah, so we agree.
Outside of Sully’s Miracle on the Hudson, aviation incidents that don’t end in complete catastrophe tend to fade very quickly from the public zeitgeist. Except for Aviation and Disaster nerds.
That was also the year of British Airtours flight 28m in Manchester, one accident that changed everything. 1985 was a very sad year in aviation, but at least we learned a lot, and those tragic lessons were actually put into regulations and practices in the airlines, doubtless saving many lives since.
I'm a pilot and I find that this channel and mentour pilot channel are really the ONLY ones you need to watch for detailed accurate descriptions of aircraft accidents. As a bonus, this one also does detailed vids on other types of distasters. Top stuff.
Green Dot Aviation is also good.
@@Halinspark Mini aircraft investigation is awesome too 😀
@@HalinsparkHe is not a professional pilot...more U Tuber.
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Green Dot did the best coverage of JAL 123, better than any other I’ve seen
Pilot Debrief is also quite good, focusing more on smaller aircraft.
A Saturday Disaster Breakdown. Just like the old days but with all your improvements 😊
So pleased to see your continued success, Chloe ❤
Just like the old days :)
First Mentour, now Chloe uploading? Us avgeeks are eating well today
Was literally thinking the same thing. Petter dropped a banger today 👍
Watch, Green Dot will be next...
@@ryanlittleton5615 3 Greens also did a video yesterday. Hopefully, MACI and Green dot will follow.
@@hasithmalika MACI?
plainly difficult too though that wasn't about an aircraft
Chloe is an extremely lovable person. I’m very very happy to see how much growth she has achieved with her very obviously high level of intelligence. Awesome video. I was here from the beginning and she’s always been this gifted and considerate and detailed. She deserves this attention, respect, support, and more. May you reach the stars, Chloe. You have nowhere to go but up
Wait, this is a man's voice. Isn't it? I'm new to the channel but this sounds like a man to me. Unless a woman makes the videos and a man narrates them 🤔
Really appreciate the level of research AND the respect for those involved which is demonstrated by Chloe and other good disaster breakdown CZcamsrs (Green Dot Aviation, Brick Immortar, etc). A lot of work to commit to, in comparison to the surface-level & insensitive overdramatic coverage one often sees! But it's much appreciated; and I do believe the wider safety management lessons pointed up by these episodes are applicable well outside the aviation industry?
5:58 I love the guy twisting Live, Neutral, and Ground all together! Stock fottage never disappoints! Also good work on another amazing video! Always a treat when i see a new one in my feed. Cheers
And there was me thinking that was footage from the Boeing factory 😉
Haha!
21:11 ayyyyyy I knew that incident would be brought up at some point when I heard wires involved!
Arcing events should trip circuit breakers.
Generic Chinese Kapton tape is still widely used in industrial equipment, amateur electronics, and computer assembly around the world. Unfortunately, there are probably plenty of non-aviation incidents that could be attributed to the use of generic (and perhaps counterfeit) Kapton.
My son works for Airbus satellite division and they use it in their satellites. I don't know exactly whereabouts though. It may not be for wiring but in another application.
is kapton or acids from WC?
WOW! So glad they all made it safe no injuries, no fatalities! I had no idea they used kapton for insulation! I use it on my electronics, but mainly for shielding, no way would ever want it wrapped around any high amp wiring, esp if Im at 30,000ft!
Isn't the wiring on your electronics already insulated?
@@BREEZYM6015 yes, but kapton when mostly soldering, de soldering, etc literally "shielding" senstive components
Yayyyyy Chloe uploaded!!!
Very informative. Thank you. I’ve always had a great interest in the swissair flight since a friend’s parents perished on that flight. And subsequently I wouldn’t fly for 15 years. I did finally get over my paralyzing fear and I now find watching your videos and Mentour Pilots’ have helped reduce my flight nerves even more. Keep up the great work. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Just wanna thank you for adding subtitles again, Chloe!
You are very welcome! 😊
Yes they are both the crème of aviation safety commentators. Chloe brings fine nuance and dedicated investigation into her reports (as shown in the wiring discussion) and Petter is particularly effective when explaining specific navigation and piloting safety.
Brilliant as always, Chloe! I was very relieved to hear that there were no injuries or fatalities in the Monarch flight, a rare instance on this channel. Much love!
Strategically positioning a loo straight above a critical electrical component (like a power distribution board) and not providing even a simple plastic seamless shroud / trough to divert any liquids was an excellent example of Boeing's engineering ingenuity.
i don't even know anything about airplanes and yet whenever i see your vids show up im delighted. you present your info so well and make sure that your audience cares. keep up the good work!
An example of a polymer that avoids a lot of the drawbacks (decay) of polyimides is Kevlar; a polyaramid. By incorporating some aryl carbon rings for stability, it breaks down far, far slower (and is as a bonus excellent at resisting impacts).
Aramid does of course have drawbacks too like being very sensitive to UV exposure.
But as with most things in mechanical engineering it's about weighing pro's and cons for the application.
Beautiful day today made better by a disaster breakdown video and also a mentor pilot video
Cloudy round my place :(
the Boeing 752 was me favourite to operate on as crew and purser for over a decade out of many ac types ❤❤❤❤❤
If only mentour pilot would stop accepting sponsorships from BetterHelp :/
@@Feverm00nBetterHelp charges $360 a month whether you use the service or not. I can get counseling or therapy through my employer for a lot less.
on one occasion an etihad airlines a340 registered as LO-BTA suffered a kapton fire while on the takeoff roll. thankfully the plane hadn't reached V1 speed yet and the pilots were able to stop the plane from taking off.there was one fatality when a flight attendant rick napes was hurt by the fire initially but died 8 months later because of suspected internal burns which couldn't be treated.
6:58 Indeed it has many advantages. Another one not mentioned in this video is that it is very resistant to outgassing, meaning that it can be used in ultra high vacuum without causing contamination or ruining the vacuum. I did a bunch of wiring for a physics experiment that involves first a high vacuum, then liquid xenon. This basically meant all wiring had to be insulated with either Teflon or Kapton. Kapton is, on the balance, the stronger material (Teflon flows under compression). But Kapton sucks at abrasion resistance, in particular in wire insulation, because the insulation is not a monolithic extrusion like normal PVC insulation and most Teflon. Instead, Kapton insulation is basically Kapton tape wrapped around it in countless layers. This causes it to sorta shred under abrasion, since each layer can tear somewhat independently. Just pulling it through a tightly fitting, perfectly round hole can start to cause bunching up of the insulation.
So while Kapton wire has many advantages, including one big one over Teflon (Kapton is radiation-resistant, whereas radiation quickly degrades Teflon), it’s also fickle, not to mention its extremely high cost, and difficulty to work with. (Because of the wrapped insulation, it’s very difficult to strip.)
I am guessing that it can’t be deposited on the wire via a flow process like how other insulators can be?
@@Knirin I guess not, insofar as I assume they would if it were feasible.
Got to love Dupont, just such a wonderful company
I sure hope this large american company that existed during the 30s did not do anything that would age terribly. I am certain their CEOs have always been normal people
Wasn't Dupon the same company that invented "Teflon" and killed hundreds (if not thousands) of people, because "nobody" has known that the waste of the Teflon production is high toxic?
@@zyavoosvawleilte1308i grew up next to a town whose lake was polluted by a dupont arms plant that operated from 1902-94. They were dumping runoff into the town’s recreational lake. The contaminated, carcinogenic lakebed sediment seeped into the groundwater creating a “plume” underneath a hundred or so homes. Cancer rates spiked in the late 90s/early 2000s and into the 2010s. dupont spent millions covering up the accident, worsening the issue with shoddy “solutions”, and fighting several lawsuits until finally they were forced to pay for the lake’s entire refurbishment. The town refused to make it a superfund site until pretty recently. I remember as a child thinking it was bizarre to name a town “Pompton Lakes” when you couldn’t even fish or swim there. Dupont are a horrible company that have brutally killed American citizens with longterm illness for their capital interests, and the government is no help in preventing that.
@@zyavoosvawleilte1308 definitely not one of the 13 satanic bloodlines.
They invented Kapton, they aren’t the ones that wrapped it around wiring and marketed & sold it to the airline industry though.
Your perfect diction and pronunciation combined with a respectable vocabulary make your videos highly watchable and a pure pleasure to hear. Your research and obvious knowledge create insight which is scarcely matched even by older experienced pilots, aviators and researchers. Nice friggin work!
Fantastic example of great piloting. I can't imagine the horror of seeing all your displays go blank, smelling plastic burning, then just praying that whatever damage has been done is minimal.
Chloe, i love your channel so much, please never stop
Much love from Honduras, keep up the awesome work
Thank you so much!!
Didn’t expect a video so soon after Chloe - The Movie.
Great content. I find your voice really soothing, and love listening to your videos while I relax.
I saw this aircraft many, many times during its career with Monarch and I never knew it had been involved in such a serious incident.
Thanks Chloe for another excellent and informative video. I always look forward to new videos from yourself, as well as Mentour and Green Dot, my other "go to" channels for accident investigation content.
I know it is a bit of an oldie, but one disaster I would very much like to see a proper video about is the destruction of BOAC 707 G-ARWE at Heathrow on 08/04/1968. It was destroyed by fire when it crash landed after an in flight engine explosion. This was the very earliest thing I ever remember clearly seeing on the BBC News, when I was a mere 6 years old.
I've enjoyed seeing your channel grow in production value and length of video (so many disaster channels try and fit everything into 10 minutes, and that just can't cover it). Being a paranoid fucker when it comes to flying I always love learning about new ways I can potentially horribly die. Keep up the great work!
Ahem! That should read "could've horribly died". For all its faults, Aviation is one of the few industries where there is a constant effort to reduce the chances of horrible death, to the extent that the most dangerous part of any airline flight is getting to or from the airport. The flying itself is the safe bit!
Unknown incident to me! Surprisingly good outcome too. Reading "brought down" in the title made me think about a crash.
Super interesting stuff and detailed explanations as always on this channel. 😎
I'm a huge aviation buff, my pops is a pilot and was a maintainer at united for years, grand dad was a charter pilot, so it's safe to say we have jet fuel in our veins. Your videos are so well researched and dove so deeply, I'd argue theyre the best on CZcams. I knew nothing of Kapton and love learning new bits of aviation history. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Chloe, your videos just get better and better. I am so amazed at the wonderful work that you do, and I just love your personality and wit. Don’t ever change. ❤
So glad to see videos about air disasters on Disaster Breakdowns.
Why? Yes it's for sure good to know why this disasters happen.
But "glad to see"?
Since 2019 I'm avoiding planes.
@@danielkaufmann15 because that’s what the channel is supposed to be about.
Chloe you are totally awesome and so are your videos and channel thanks for great content
Aww thank you ❤
You are a true professional. Happy to be on this journey with you
As soon as I heard the name "DuPont" I thought "Oh no"
Yay!!! Another great episode from @DisasterBreakdown x
Thank you!
*plane lands, no injuries* Wouldnt this be more of a Disaster Averted video?
*Sees there's almost 10 minutes left* "oh"
Love the videos as always!
Should say that Kapton is still an amazing tape with all sorts of use in electronics etc. Sure it has risks in certain environments like this, so either shouldn't be used or should be limited there. But people need to make sure not to demonize the tape itself because the stuff is amazing.
YES IM HERE RIGHT ON TIME ITS BEEN OUT FOR TWO MINUTES
Welcome Back :)
Thank you for your excellent videos !
Chloe, you won't believe it, the German company "Märklin" used Kapton too, for insulating their magnet coil in the switches of the model railroad. Kapton simply vanished in the 80 as insulation. Now I know why. Especially when kids play with a model railroad, the Kapton will become less durable, and short circuits will happen.
On a modell railroad for kids?
What if the carpet starts to burn, and the parents are not at home? 😮
That sounds horrifying! Although, it is good the Kapton was removed. People just weren't aware of its shortcomings at the time
It was widely used in the model railroad industry, but accessories use 3-9V current, and traction is maximum 24V so arcing event are way less dangerous. (most of the time there is no arc, just a short).
@@elnalaombrebois5665yes, but back in the days the fuses where not so fast as today's electronically fuses, and the power Transformator delivered up to 1A.
It was not a rare event that the wheels of train where solderd to the track due the high current in approximately 1second untill the fuse cut the power of.
Today the fuses react in some milliseconds.
CHLOE! i just have to write a comment about how passionate you are in your videos! i love learning about these incidents and i just wanna say thank you for making these videos
Thank you so much for watching!
We always flew Monarch.. grt company, and in board flight attendance was amazing..take off, landing, no, scarey bumps...😢
Hello! I recently discovered your channel and I'm marathoning all the videos. I'm Brazilian and I would like to point out a case, the Vasp 168 accident. Both the accident, the CVR audio and what happened afterwards, everything is very macabre, especially the report from the rescue teams. It's very worth it.
Your videos on aviation incidents are by far my “favorites” (kind of a strange word I know, as they are of course often-in part-retellings of the tragic, needless, and traumatic loss of life); you are thorough & transparent in your research, skilled with your editing/production & narration, and your enthusiasm for this topic translates delightfully through the quality of your work. I also really enjoyed your recent (I think) video where you made more of an on-screen appearance! You make a great documentary host!
I'm only at 5:02 in this video.
Can I just applaud you.👏👏👏👏👏☺.
I just love your charisma dedication and value of all your hard work you put into these videos so we,the couch potatoes can sit back in our lazy boy recliner in one hand eat potato chips and in the other hand a bag of chocolate and drink our soft drinks with the remote not for from either hand.😁
Yes we get to enjoy these vids and all of the fruits of your labor,and for this I for one am very grateful too you.
I came across your channel months back and your vids are different,different in the fact you go above and beyond in your work,I'm sure you spend many hours on each video,again thank you as it shows.
Your narration and voice personality are all top notch.
I'm a huge CZcamsr and I go through my binges as per what I watch.
Your channel is always in the mix as I'm always looking so forward to your next great piece of work.
I'm patient though as I know you are doing your very best to bring us the best,and for that it takes time.
Your videos are like fine wine,"there'll be no wines before it's time."
I wish you and your channel the very best and look forward to your projects.
Greetings from Atlanta 4.26.2024
> Incidents involving inflight fire
> Mentions McDonnell Douglas
> Shows Swissair's MD-11
> Shows cable from HB-IWF 'Vaud'
I hope this is not a foreshadowing of what comes up next...
I absolutely love the production value on all your vids chloe :)
Thank you!
Chloe, Great job on this video, I love all of your videos but it's nice to see one where They make it out alive and pull off the landing.
I watched a few of your vids, theyre exactly the typa topics im interested in so its nice to find another cool youtuber who makes disaster documentaries. Keep it up chloe :) I’ll definitely watch whenever you upload next
Great video, Chloe! I am an old guy, and remember the news story concerning wiring issues in multiple airframes in the 90's. Good, concise information in this video.
Regarding the Swiss Air flight - didn’t they decide to fuel dump over the Atlantic Ocean, rather than head to the nearest available airport?
Obviously procedure is to dump fuel, but I think that it was said, that if they hadn’t fuel dumped, they would probably have made it back to the nearest airport in time, before the fire engulfed the plane.
Excellent and very interesting video Chloe. I can only give one thumbs up on CZcams so here's a few more.
👍👍👍
As a research nerd, i cant tell you how happy all your footnotes and references make me! Thank you Chloe!
You are very welcome. I have somehow managed to develop a good habit of it. I actually... enjoy it? I do wish to see other creators get into it :)
Another magnificent video. I love how you dig deep into these cases and explain them in understandable language.
Thank you!
Flew on Monarch when I was a little kid. Package holidays to Balaeric Islands as far as I remember. Oh, sweet nostalgia.
saaaaaame!!
@@DisasterBreakdown Ibiza (no, I didn't, I was 5) and Menorca. 2 weeks in the school holidays. I hated having to go home. I cried. I guess that's why I live on the other side of the world now.
@@smk2457 For me it was always Malaga. The sadness that comes over you when you descend under the British Cloud mid August is a big punch in the gut :(
@@DisasterBreakdown why do you put up with it then?
Hey! I didn’t know you’re back! Hope you are well. Gonna settle in and watch.
I've never heard of this incident, thank you for covering it :)
Love digging up obscue cases :)
love your videos. they are very educational yet entertaining! easy to follow as well for someone who doesn't know much. keep it up!
i havent watched your channel (or any aviation disaster content in general) for a while and started again recently and i luv how you stylize your newer vids more esp in the writing. big fan of airplanes being described as living things, like talking about its "guts" and whatnot.
The Swissair 111 haunts me till this day as it happens one day after I haf arrived safely in Zurich with a Swissair MD11. Maybe it was even the same plane, I never found out.
Great job Chloe, always nice to watch a video about an incident without fatalities.
I was an avionics mechanic for an airline with the largest fleet of L-1011's from the mid 80's until the planes were gone. Kapton wiring was a constant problem for us. It would crack easily in high vibration areas, and with bending or stresses at connector pins. Cracks would cause internment problems that were hell to solve at times. One of the less mentioned problems was after heavy maintenance visits and mods, metal shavings would get in the wire bundles and cause mystery glitches. The deterioration of the wiring was considered manageable, at least in public, but probably played a factor in scrapping that king of beasts. If you were a good mechanic on that airplane, you had something to be proud of.
Hello your videos are awesome and I enjoy them very much. You have a good voice and I can always understand everything you say.
paid off to trust my instinct when this became my main aviation related channel years ago, the change in quality is incredible, we are getting well fed. congratulations on the milestone, it is well deserved!
Thank you so much!!!!
I read a theory that bad Kapton wiring plus MPET caused the fire in SAA295, which would be interesting if that was also a warning sign missed for Swissair 111
Only thinking back to when i did my video on SAA295 here, but it was my undertanding that the fire was likely from the Cargo itself, right? 🤔
@@DisasterBreakdown yeah, probably. Thought it was interesting though
Thank you for this highly interesting Documentary! I watched the whole thing wile doing soldering work on one of my RC Aircraft (how ironic lol) and i had to put the soldering iron to the side to fully concentrate on the video as it was suprisingly intresting.
Sorry if my english is a little meh, greetings from Germany!
Woohoo looking forward to this but also being respectful for any loss of life and/or injuries.
I’ve now joined your Patreon team too!
Thanks for all the hard work you’ve put in.
Welcome aboard! Thanks for the support, you are too kind :)
As usual I totally enjoyed this video. Thank you for your hard work and videos. Safe travels .
I look forward to these uploads every time! Thank you Chloe! Great video!
Glad you like the videos
Nice Portal reference as well as the breakdown.
Flew with Monarch Airlines, Air Europe, Freddy Laker Airways, and Thomas Cook. All went bust !
absolutely LOVE the editing style! great work keep it up!
The quality of these always astounds me. I love the longer format videos. Thank you, Chloe!
New subscriber here! I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for producing such quality content. Your in-depth information on weather related accidents is very interesting. Are you a meteorologist?
Great videos, as always! Thank you!
The Airbus A320 'glass cockpit', was way more advanced than the Boeing 757 in 1985. Together with the A320's large LCD's (which displaced many of the analogue displays seen on the Boeing 757), it also incorporated FBW (Fly-By-Wire) side stick controls.
Amazing, high quality video as always! I’ve been a viewer since the Binter Flight 8261 video, and I’ve been hooked since!
I would really like you to do a video on one of my country’s deadliest air disasters: TAA Flight 538, it lead to Australia making black boxes mandatory so it was a very influential crash.
Wow! That's a long time to be a viewer :) I definately want to do a video on an Austalian incident. I am looking for any excuse to fly out to Australia :)
Great narrative as always Chloe 👏
Wow, Chloe got snarky there hehe. Thanks for bringing my attention to another incident I was not aware of, and giving it a full fleshing out. Great video and well edited and explained. 👍
RIP Monarch
10:30 To give you an ide of just how hot an electric arc can be, it's why electric arc welding is a thing.
Those look *exactly* like the electrical activity from my fire investigation days. You get the same spray or flow of molten copper (notching and beading) in faulty electrical devices and damaged wiring. The amber devil isn't as much of a concern on the ground, thankfully... (It's been dehumidifier motor terminals, mains "X" filter capacitors, dodgy unprotected splices, and prolonged space heater usage in prewar or early postwar housing stock.)
There's some impulse that causes people to reset popped breakers without checking things out, even when they should know better. I'm guilty of it myself.
VERY happy this was the first thing on my feed. Got my coffee, my breakfast. Time for a chill saturday morning. Cheers Chloe!
Recently discovered your channel and enjoying it very much. Great detail and discussion.
Getting more professional with every presentation Chloe. Research, narrative, production; always improving. Keep it up.👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏
Thank you! Will do!
when you said "Swiss Air" all I can say is "OH NO"
"Scandi Airlines FLT *666* "
20:13
Not entirely sure what they were expecting but having the plane suddenly burst into flames would have been near the top of my list.
Excellent sourcing, nice
Today I learned what a glass cockpit actually is! I had heard the phrase but had never understood what it meant. Thanks Chloe!
Thank you for explaining the 'index numbers' in segments of the video; that, and producing very quality videos.
Great video, as usual! I used to work in space & defense and we used Kapton tape a lot. I'm in aerospace now and we do a lot of harness reinforcement where the clips sit on the harness. Haven't seen Kapton tape, thank God.
hi Chloe, I'm still catching up on your 737 MAX video. 😊
Hope you enjoyed it!