Thanks for making this video. It brings me back my childhood memories because I used to often hear about this plane crash when I was a kid. Now, from this video, I can easily learn more about this accident and the airline.
yup.. and this is why, after all the tube ads, and patreon begging etc in every video.. after all that, then..to get yet more ..."sponsored by.." stuff is insulting. if you aint making enough money by now chloe, dont do the vids, get a job instead.. simple.
Un profundo agradecimiento por el invaluable episodio. Impresionante resultado, inimaginable meticulosa preparación e investigación, no sólo muchas gracias sino también ¡muchas felicidades!!
I'm a current pilot at Spirit. I've heard the internal stories about this guy. He was a well-known jerk off and lousy pilot who did very dumb things and got himself fired. No one was surprised when this accident happened. The incident that finally shuffled him out the door was a hard landing somewhere in the Caribbean (at this time the MD80 was gone and it was an Airbus A319). It was hard enough that a few passenger oxygen masks dropped. He basically went around the cabin and reinstalled the masks, while asking the flight attendants to stay quiet about it. But the plane's telemetry sent a message back to Airbus in France that this plane had crashed. Airbus contacted Spirit to ask about the plane, and Spirit said they knew nothing of a crash and that the plane was enroute back to Florida. Airbus asked Spirit to ground the plane on arrival, and then all of this came out. He was fired immediately and the FAA eventually suspended his certificate.
This puts the "there's going to be an investigation" comment in a greater light. This guy was flying in CYOA mode, worrying more about his job than the lives on board.
"..the plane's telemetry sent a message back to Airbus in France that this plane had crashed. Airbus contacted Spirit .." Why doesn't the airline get informed at the same time, or is it just that Spirit operations weren't paying attention?
I lost friends on that flight and I have since been searching for answers as to what caused a plane to fall out of the sky just a few miles from the airport. Thanks for your investigations which has given me a clear insight into the Nigerian civil aviation. I had made a decision never to board a Dana flight out of respect to my late friends. A lot of us Nigerians have a false sense of safety with foreign pilots with the view that they would follow all the safety flight precautions. The unfortunate thing is that Dana air is not alone in these atrocities. I have been on flights and noticed that some pilots do not carried out pre flight control checks before taxing to the runway. Please investigate other Nigerian flights to educate the Nigerian people. Thank you so much.
Hi Kenny: I have been to Nigeria many times, quite a few years ago now..... I wish you well in your fight to investigate other Nigerian flights..... but you would only be scratching the surface of the problems your country really faces....... And you know it. I have traveled to every country in West Africa and only Nigeria, ever made me nervous or apprehensive.....Warri ,Sapele, Port Harcourt ....lovely places up the creeks, unlike say Apapa. Nah..... I have no desire whatsoever to repeat those experiences. I hope things improve. Take care.
@@patagualianmostly7437if only he only kept his need for attention to himself, this wouldn’t have happened. First things first, why were you in Nigeria? You don’t write like a serious person so I’m guessing for pleasure as that’s what our LEADERS are very concerned about. This is a beautiful country and I’m fortunate to reside in Apapa. The “problem” with our country as you say it - are the individuals we are unfortunate to have in office inviting and transporting folks like yourself across Africa
@@beaka63 1. Correcting someone when it's neither relevant nor useful like that isn't helpful and doesn't make you look smart. It makes you look like an asshole. I'm saying this as somebody who has made that mistake previously. I may even be making it right now, but you made a tempting enough target that I don't care beyond adding this acknowledgement. 2. If you're going to "correct" someone, you should probably at least be actually correct about it. Unironically is, in fact, a word. Google is free. 3. "It's either ironic or it is not." is a false dichotomy. Something can be ironic in some ways and unironic in others. But, even if it were accurate, it doesn't actually support your claim. Unironically means not ironic, since un means not. The word tells you which of the two options it is.
I am a nigerian and I was 11 years old when it happened, just got back from school. I still remember my mom running downstairs and telling us that a friend of her’s was on that plane. Been waiting for YEARS to get someone to cover the crash properly, so thank you very much.
@@ppstorm_ What do you believe to be a lie? That a crash happened or that the OP's mum knew someone on board? I knew about 8 of the victims, none of them family, but one a close enough friend that we spoke just a couple of days before this accident. Many of the passengers were attendees of a large society wedding returning home and those circles are small enough that if you belonged to them, you'd know a few of those poor folk. I don't understand how you reached the conclusion that relaying a story with regards to a semi personal connection to the crash equates to seeking attention!
I flew Dana Air last month from Lagos to Owerri. It was for my grandmother's burial and there were no alternatives. There was water leaking into the cabin seemingly from outside the fuselage when we were descending. I'm not sure they've fixed much.
While that is a valid issue, I’m confident if there was a leakage large enough to allow water into a pressurized cabin that goes thru multiple pressurization cycles a day, that plane would almost immediately burst open the very next time it hit cruise altitude. A pressurized cabin with a hole will very quickly deteriorate and destroy the fuselage usually within minutes killing everyone, it will quickly cause stress cracks that will fail within minutes, if not seconds and tear the plane into pieces. You can’t have a hole in a balloon.
@@yeahmon6296 yeah I agree, that's why I said "seemingly". It most likely was some sort of internal component though, because we checked the overhead lockers and there was nothing spilled. Doesn't inspire confidence
I’m a Nigerian and I work at MIU airport. The reason you don’t find Dana air or some airplanes like Erj-145 of air peace and United Nigeria, A220s of Ibom air, b737-classic of max air and air peace, etc, is because of the types of transponders (old) used on the airplanes and also the amount of coverage of flight radar devices in Nigeria. That’s why you don’t get to see them on flight radar 24. Thanks.
I think the old adsb transponders only broadcast to terrestrial stations. There won't be many private receivers for the apps in Nigeria. Newer transponders also send to sattelite receivers. So newer planes have better coverage. I might be wrong but I suspect this to be the case
The A-220 is a very recent plane, it should have the latest generation of ADSB transponder. But if this is an "option" when purchasing the plane, then it may not be on any of Ibom's planes. It would be great if more people had receivers in Nigeria, I think sites like ADSBExchange and FlightRadar 24 give the receivers for free to anyone that wants to host one in places where there is not much coverage.
I am a Nigerian and I am glad this is getting uncovered. The fact it also happened on my birthday was so disheartening. Thank you for the detailed breakdown once again. Edited: Dana still continues to fly. Although it feels like they are slowly dwindling. There have been a few runway excursions and it baffles me that people still choose to fly with them.
But the thing is you should know financially flying isn’t cheap for people in blossoming countries with good financial status let alone Nigeria where a large portion of their people have to do things that unfortunately shine some bad attention on the country.
@Fast_2104 Very much active. Still flying Mad dogs😢. I am Nigerian i have flown on every Airline in Nigeria Except Dana. And i dont have any intentions of ever flying with them.
Chloe, yet another fantastic breakdown. As a pilot, you have my seal of approval. Providing loads of information, undoubtedly doing tens of hours of research for a single video, all while covering this absurd airline and bringing some comedy into it, absolutely keeps me coming back
I think rear airstairs are the coolest things. It’s one of the reasons I love the Boeing 727, not to mention it’s sleek, elegant lines. And with that aggressively swept back T-tail, it’s the most beautiful and classic aircraft design Boeing ever made.
@morticiaaddams7866; Absolutely. Placement of the jet engines, clustered around the aft fuselage, gave it that clean wing look. And that, coupled with the increased performance from 3 engines, assisted its shorter takeoff runs; allowing its access to more moderately sized airports all over the country. Much is often made about the groundbreaking effect of the Boeing 747, and its completely transformative impact on the airline travel industry; allowing for a dramatic reduction in airfare, subsequently opening international flights to the masses, in ways previously never thought possible. But if all that is true, and of course I know that it is, then the introduction of the 727 into airline fleets, was as equally revolutionary in the sphere of the domestic aviation market; opening inter-city routes to jet travel; relegating the vast majority of the slower piston engine and turboprop equipment into obsolescence in one fell swoop. The 727 revolutionized domestic passenger services seemingly overnight. The fact that it was also gorgeous, was just an added bonus. It’s was so classic, and modern looking, and ahead of its time, that it still wouldn’t in any way, look out of place amongst today’s airline fleets. I think the only other jetliner which comes anywhere near the beauty of the Boeing 727, is the British built, Vickers Super VC-10. The 'Super' specifically because the aircraft’s elongation, contributed to its sleekness. The 'British Overseas Airways Corporation' (BOAC) deep navy blue, with gold markings livery, didn’t do it any harm either. Unfortunately the VC-10 didn’t have as long of a successful run as the 727. The 727 however, was ubiquitous. You practically couldn’t throw a stone without hitting one, and it was the first Boeing aircraft production line to exceed 1,000 orders. They built that craft for generations, and IT WORKED. Now, it wasn’t the same experience when you were onboard them, but when you were watching 727’s externally; be prepared for them to knock your socks off. I’ll never forget the roar and air-cracking sound of those JT8D’s at takeoff. You didn’t just hear them, you felt them all the way into your bones. All around the airport terminal, it sounded like rockets were being launched, and used to give me goosebumps. And I know their engines weren’t as clean, but I still think the rocket-like soot trails behind them were kinda cool. Oh how I miss those old dirty birds!
I haven’t admired the shape of any particular aeroplanes since owning a fat glossy book as a kid in the late 1970s which featured lovely photos of planes old & new yet on watching this video yesterday I indeed thinking what a cool looking machine this thing is compared to most I’ve noticed on these channels. And I thought the back stairs thing was great as well. we obviously have a great sense of technical beauty. I reckon that dodgy & frankly murderous Captain had something naughty concealed around those back stairs….😁👍🐢ps if nothing else that company’s’ livery suits the beast & is befitting its lines in my opinion.
I am amazed that anyone decided to name their airline ValueJet without at least googling to make sure that wasn’t a name entirely associated with one of the most negligent crashes in history.
Funny how intuition works. As soon as you mentioned an experienced American pilot flying for a domestic Nigerian airline I knew something must have happened for him to not get a job closer to home
Exactly. It's a weird thing that many Nigerian air travellers tend to feel safer when they see foreign pilots in the front seat. The thinking being, oh these guys must have more experience and possibly access to better training. It's a failure of understanding of the incentives and deep thinking about this. In reality, it is usually below average pilots with questionable histories who come to work for our relatively poorer paying airlines. I say relatively because pilots are very well compensated by Nigerian standards so some excellent Nigerian pilots see no need to go elsewhere except for training. The best ones do get jobs with foreign airlines but since they must be exceptional to be hired over local pilots there, these are the cream of the crop and have to have a bit of luck too to get jobs elsewhere. Consequently local aircrew tends to be of an actual higher standard as their standard of living isn't an issue and of course they're more integrated. It's the lack of enough air crew and sometimes the ownership structure of the airline (for example Dana is owned by Indians) that compels the hiring of foreign pilots, not actually superlative performance. I ruminate on this whenever I'm in the country and on one of those flights.
@@ozzyphil74 I mean to be fair it can be a cultural thing. Having a foreign pilot could be a good sign if the training of your own country is well known to be subpar. Most people don't really think to the point of realizing "Wait why would a great foreign pilot go all the way here instead of staying in his home nation for better pay?" I actually remember hearing about a few nations that mandated that there has to be a foreign pilot in the cockpit to help with possible culture issues that a different training and culture could get around. So this feels like a Depending on the nation thing. Sometimes it's a good sign if the nation is rich enough to attract good pilots. Other times it's a bad thing if the nation is too poor.
@@moalboris239 Of course nuance is everything. There's a vast difference between mandated cultural /skills exchanges, albeit I would wonder why they didn't simply undertake the appropriate training for their nationals, and what I'm describing. Let's get this right, I'm not against the hiring of pilots of other nationalities. Free movement of labour is a respected and great tradition. I'm sure some of our airlines do wish to hire experienced training captains and foreign nationals with other useful skills. The issue is that they're often not paying well enough to get the top level guys.
I think there is a possible reason why you can't track any of Dana's planes, Their flights having their transponder turned off thus not sending any information to the FR24 and anything else😂
The problem with everything bad in Nigeria is corruption. Enforcement agencies will take bribes and look the other way. Imagine if people actually did their jobs, all this could have been avoided
I think what partially caused the pilots' demise is that they were expecting the best, hoping their aircraft will function normally. As Mike Bannister said in his book, aviation safety isn't about hoping for the best, it's about expecting the worst and basing your decisions on that. If both engines work normally, always prepare for an engine failure. If there's an engine failure, think about what would happen if a dual failure occured.
As a private pilot not currently flying, who worked ground services as my job, my time in Cessna 172s and Piper Cherokees was spent always keeping the next emergency landing site near the top of my flight management procedures. I flew at high altitude, knew where the nearest airports were, and I flew IFR (I Follow Roads).
Me personally*, I expect the worst case for a lot of stuff (even though I am somewhat optimistic, and a bit impulsive with my decision making), but at the same time can lack situational awareness. If someone asks me to grab something for them, it takes forever for me to find it, only for the item to be right under my nose. :) I also struggle at "reading the room". *Disclaimer: Not a pilot here, just a young man who finds anything mechanical or science fascinating, and enjoy learning about how our society works. Disaster Breakdown combines the mechanical stuff with science and how humans interact with each other and themselves, which is why this channel is one of my favorites. Also, the Swiss Cheese model applies to most disasters. Also, it is epic that Bannister flew the fastest passenger jet in the world.
To be considered the worst Airline ever when Adam Air once existed, is quite a distinction to achieve. Perhaps they should change their slogan to 'The Dumbest Way to Fly'?
I started watching this channel about a month ago, and as of today, I have officially watched every single one of your videos from the oldest to the most recent. You have truly grown so much, and I immediately noticed a quality difference when you started doing non-scheduled posts. Keep up the good work, can't wait to see more!
It will shock you to know that a DANA AIRLINE plane crash landed about two weeks ago in Lagos thankfully nobody was hurt. The minister for aviation in Nigeria has suspended their license till further notice. In a sane country Dana should have been out of business long long time ago
With the right engine '?missing' it almost makes me think Millennium techs found something that could potentially make the company liable in the accident and executives at the company had the engine 'disappeared' to protect them...
SabreTech, the company responsible for ValuJet 592, (By loading Flammable Oxygen Generator that are prohibited) was based in *Florida* The people responsible for ValuJet are still on the run. PartnAir 394 had bogus (counterfeit) spare parts. Which caused the crash of the aircraft. Those parts came from the black market in *Miami* Eastern Airlines Flight 980 crashed under Mysterious circumstances. To this day we don't know what was the reason for the crash. Several people living near the accident site reported an explosion in the sky. Many people (probably correctly) claim that eastern airlines was involved in some shady businesses, like drug- and human trafficking... (The airplane was headed to *Miami* , the airlines main hub with some stop overs) After American Airlines 965. Stolen parts from the crashed 757 re-appeared on the black market in.... Wait for it..... *Miami* So Florida is known for Strange business deals with shady airlines, pilots, maintenance companies.
As an flight attendant for 33 years I used to tell my passengers when we have mechanical, problem, or we have issues delay, is better to be late! than never!! obviously this pilot did not heed to that statement!
This is by far, one of the most anticipated air-crash reviews for most Nigerians. It was emotional to the core and touched many people's lives. Thanks so much for this!
It doesn't seem to be a good idea to send engines to a firm that was involved with maintenance of the engines to be investigated for poor maintenance. Wouldn't an independent firm have been better?
That's what also puzzled me. Whose decision was it to send the engine to the maintenance company? If the US authorities were helping, wouldn't they have had the competence to analyze the engine independently?
I assume corruption. >The maintenance company told Dana Air executive something like " you want top job then you have to pay 💵 " >Executive be like: "brhh... just do enough to make it fly, can't spend that much on such unimportant piece like engine's maintenance. >The whole thing needed to be sanctioned by Nigerian commercial Flight authority and government who would find the shady job during eventual safety check. >That problem was taken care off with bribe, money saved in engine maintenance comes handy. So now all 3 parties have poo in their bum, so how they get away with this? "Keep it in ourselves and dismantle the engine"
@@colincampbell767 They would also tamper with it in case it was their fault. Investigation is done independently with third parties only overseeing it to answer questions like "this aluminium plate should have been changed 5 years ago according to our memo, blame airline" and so on and so forth. Sending it back to the maintenance company was a huge mistake.
May jaw dropped when you said the second engine stopped working. Gosh. Thank you for your video. Well researched and your narration is really entertaining.
Hey there Im Nigerian, and as someone who flies frequently, I can say for sure that Dana air is still in operation. You would most likely not find them on Flightrader because their transponders are either miscoded or not visible for some reason. The same is the case for Max air, United Nigeria and Overland Airways. Its a common thing here, cause most planes in Nigeria are more than 20years old.
@@DisasterBreakdown Hi Chloe I have subscribed to your channel after I saw one of your investigation videos your journalistic skills and documentary presentation is top notch even more so- and correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think you’re actually a pilot ? if that is true even more Kudo’s to you as you also explain the more technical aspects very well (from my rather limited private flying experience opinion anyway! ) Lol
I mean... If you consider the fact that the US has lost several nucler bombs during the cold war and some of them have never turned up again (including hydrogen bombs) the loss of an airplane engine seems much more believable and just outright benign...
Well, here goes a wild theory: What If they picked apart this engine and used everything somewhat in shape for spare parts for other engines? Because if they did, or at least someone working there, then they obviously couldn't put it back together and decided to get rid of the rest. It's at least possible.
I had to look things up myself and found Dana Air had its operating license suspended last July due to being insolvent. However, they got their license back four months later after passing their audits with Nigeria's safety authority. So it seems as if they are still running legally but with a very small crew and fleet.
I'm a mechanical engineering student, not an aerospace engineering student, or aircraft mechanic.but I do have an understanding of the rudiments of stacking forces within internal combustion engines (which jet engines are, as they are propelled by the deflagration of fuel) and many mechanical systems. I'm always aghast when I hear about negligent or improper maintenance of aircraft engines like in this case, furthermore I'm reminded to be grateful of the engineers who designed these engines. these engines aren't exceedingly fragile but they do rely on a proper balance of forces to not catastrophically fail. if everybody who worked with these engines knew exactly what conditions are required to make these engines function properly they would be incredibly vehement about making sure they fulfill their maintenance schedules with cross checks by every branch of employees that interacts with these planes. but that will never be so, pilots and execs aren't engineers and they shouldn't and don't have to be, which leads to them leaning heavily on the fact that the design engineers are required by their trade to over-engineer everything and build as much safety into the systems as they can and still meet performance targets. it's just aggravating to know the executive suite leans so heavily on the robustness of this technology with no appreciation of the effort that went into making it and what a miracle it is they even have it. if you took every person with a business degree and stripped them of all modern technology and told them to restart civilization, they would either self destruct in violence, be killed off by the near infinite dangers inherent to the natural world, or it would be another 180,000 years before recorded history starts again and then 10,000 more before people, not concerned with the shallow acquisition of material wealth, recreate the modern world. the knowledge they specialize in is an artificial abstraction relying on the modern world science created to be of any use and they have little appreciation or recognition of this. thus when someone knowledgeable about science says "hey, you need to take care of this technology or it's going to fail" they don't treat the matter with the import it requires as they are so far removed from even the broad concepts of science. this is why a liberal style education that exposes one to a healthy cross section of topics is more helpful to society than the current ever worsening trend of early specialized education.
Kind of the opposite there. The key thing for restarting civilization would be more leadership then science knowledge. You can have all the knowledge in the world but if you can't convince anyone to do anything with it none of it matters. Civilization is less born from Bob knowing how to make fiber glass and more from Bob being able to convince his neighbors to stop trying to knock him over the head with a rock to take his flock of sheep. And with a good enough management skillset you can organize people who do know what you need in order to make things work.
This was one i have been waiting for. I lost a cousin of mine on this flight. Its so sad to see that the Nigerian Aviation Industry is still unsafe till this day. If you were to go by the books only 1 or 2 airlines in Nigeria would be fit to operate.
There’s a reason many Airlines from Asia and Africa aren’t allowed to fly to the US and Europe as FAA and EASA would not allow for them not have the minimum safety requirements , usually planes are too old as well , that’s the problem with poor countries , governments will turn the blind eye and let crooked companies operate .
That rear airstair thing is weird, especially partnered with the fear of investigation. Were they smuggling something, or had they had a tail strike they were trying to cover? It's very strange
I wonder if the right engine being used to run the entire flight overstressed it to the point of failure. Like obviously maintenance wasn't the most kept up and poorly maintained things fail more frequently when under high stress.
Chloe, your videos get better and better every time! As someone who goes absolutely nuts for "rabbit holes" in research, I love that you actually took the time to try and figure out if Dana Air is still flying. That's the sort of thing that I *absolutely* would do, either for fun or for my actual job. You have my serious respect and kudos! Keep up the great work - and hunting rabbits down their holes when you think it's necessary to give us the complete picture!
This crash and how much it was covered essentially built up my love for aviation. I remember exactly where I was when this crash happened. I was in 2nd grade and that day was my grandma's birthday. My 2nd grade teacher had a video of the plane coming down and hitting the unfinished building right after coming over his house. Mr. Waxtan's selfish intentions killed 155 people and us Nigerians have a certain resent for the very mention of his name. How Dana Air continues to fly after this accident is a mystery to me and how they celebrated after receiving a 20 year old 737-300/500 told me everything I need to know about them. Thank you for this video, Chloe. Everyone deserves to know how terrible Dana Air was, and still continues to be to this day. I don't travel often, but thankfully, people that do are starting to express concern over their aging planes. Even we know how little maintenance airline would do to save costs, especially now that our economy is going to shit. What a rant lmao.
my parents had just come back from lagos at the time and i was just a kid too, and i remember exactly where i was when i heard the news. it gave me a horrible fear of flying that’s still with me and a fear of my parents taking business trips. also a terrible feeling whenever planes fly over my house. i resent him and all of dana air’s horrible operations
on top of that, i went to the same school that lost 60 (well, 59) of its students in the infamous 2005 crash in PH, flying terrifies me so much though do it fairly frequently
just found your channel through suggestions you have such a calm voice that make your explanations and breakdown of the facts incredible to listen to. you would be fantastic at doing audiobook work and the like thanks for the video!
And yet, you can have the same sort of reaction (on different subjects) for pretty much any state in the US. For that matter, elsewhere in the world too, at the very least some places but wouldn't be surprised if most. Still, Florida Man is a potent meme.
DB: Took place in Nigeria Me (a Floridian): Oh thank goodness, I'm safe this time DB: The accident captain was actually from Florida Me: OH COME ON DB: And the parts that failed were also Florida's handywork ME: YOU'RE KIDDING
Bah! I was in The Merchant Navy at the time and due to finish my 'tour 'in Warri, Nigeria .(Seen on one of the maps at the end) asked if I wanted to take leave and return to the UK by air, I said "Are you mad?"...."No thank you, I'll return to the UK on this ship!"......by that time I had heard many stories of flying into and out of Nigeria.....the sloppy safety standards, the corruption of Customs Officials.....etc etc..... A three month extension to my "tour" was much preferable...... Thank you very much.
Damn. This was an accident that should’ve never happened in the first place. Poor piloting, poor maintenance and an improper work culture at Dana Air. This shouldn’t have been able to happen at all.
The video you did on South African Airways 295 was what hooked me to this channel. This new video is but another reason as to why staying was one of the best decisions I ever made. Edit: The Florida bit and trying to track Dana Air flights was hysterical. 🤣🤣🤣
It's amazing how 'big' this video got. What puzzles me is just how Dana Air can keep getting so many violations and suspensions and STILL be allowed to keep flying to this day. Still a very well done video that I enjoyed watching.
It's probably because the Nigerian government doesn't want to hurt the country's air business by taking away a part of it - or it could just be corruption
This really makes me angry. The arrogance and poor attitude of the Captain created an unsafe and deadly situation killing everyone. Dana Air also need to take responsibility for hiring him.
I absolutely love this kind of content, informative investigative disaster type stuff. I stumbled across your channel looking for something to watch on the treadmill today, it looks like I have a lot of content to watch while I am at work this week. Thank you!
It is important to remember that Captain Waxtan was a victim of this tragedy too. He was not exactly the cream of the crop, but this doesn’t mean he deserved to die - for his own sake, the system should have weeded him out, but this system failed. A better airline might have been able to make a decent pilot out of him, but tragically, the culture at Dana Air actively exacerbated his most dangerous failings. He was also handed a plane that could scarcely have been called airworthy, which callously placed him in a situation that no pilot should ever have to face. At the very least, his story should serve as a cautionary tale for other airlines on a continent where the industry is still struggling to meet the level of safety that its growing middle class has begun to expect.
Honestly, I feel a little sorry for him as well. Yes, he should’ve turned the plane around when he saw the first engine issue, but knowing the culture of these airlines I suspect they would’ve asked him why he didn’t just continue the flight if one engine was working and they were 17 minutes into an hour flight. Somehow I suspect there may even have been job repercussions if he didn’t do what they wanted, after all they did send pilots out on planes they complained about. The moment the second engine stopped responding there was nothing he really could do. This wasn’t purely pilot error like so many accidents are. Just sad all around.
@@Mike-zf4xg The crash happened, when they were going in for landing. How do u know, it wouldnt have happened at landing, regardless of where they attempted to land?
What I think is so crazy is that investigators can literally find evidence form something that’s gone through hell, even in the story of Concorde the investigators noted down the final readings of the instruments. In one voyager plane, the accidentally pilot put camera between his seat’s and the control stick of airbus which left a black strip on the camera bottom part, they literally spctrally analysed the strip and confirmed that it was the material from the side stick of the plane
A case study in what happens when literally everything goes wrong. Alaska Airlines, from what I have read, has had serious maintenance problems of its own so I am not surprised to hear that they cut corners on the maintenance of the accident aircraft when it was in their fleet. On another note, this story is a very dark version of a particular sort of US meme known as "Florida man."
I note that Dana Air has just been given clearance to fly again after their ban in 2022. Great breakdown on how NOT to operate an airline! Thanks DB from Aussie PLANEIAC
One assumes and hopes that the shortfalls have been addressed but it could simply be due to political interference and the need for additional aviation to service the growth in demand
This crash happened 3 blocks from a classmates house while i was in high school, we were all unsettled for a couple of weeks seeing how it so easily could have involved his family. Thanks for this video, I've spent years looking for indepth analysis into this crash and this is the only channel that's gone over it.
You just got a new sub, the algorithm finally showed me your channel. I’m a former ramp agent and we exclusively serviced American MD-82/83’s. I begrudgingly developed a love for the type, especially after I started riding the brakes during our very frequent, single gate, tow operations.
I know that mood. I felt it every time I had to sit in traffic on my way home from my office pre-Covid. Now I experience it when I'm trying to get home from my doctor's appointments!
Another story told with great care and attention, I love her style and how she sometimes looses the plot when she’s really annoyed! I’m happy to support you on Patreon!
The quality of each video you make just gets better and better. Really enjoyed this one Chloe. Your commentary was amazing and all the little details really added to it for me. Thanks for all your efforts Chloe they are really appreciated.
When air planes are sold. Every scrape of paper that was generated by that plane, maintenance, upgrades and service notices. They all go with the plane so if Dana air didn’t know about the manifold update, it’s because they didn’t look
🚨🚨 The Nigerian carrier has been dormant since early March 2023 due to a lack of operational aircraft. The Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority praised the carrier's decision to comply with the maintenance requirements, even though it forced it to cancel all flights.
I found this channel not long ago, and safe to say, it is very detailed while giving humanity to the victims. A great pleasure to see these videos. If you ever accept requests, I'd recommend TAN SAHSA 414. It is an accident that only has one Spanish video made about it, with some of the circumstances after the accident being mysterious. I'm from Honduras, and even more than 30 years later, the accident still affects people today. Take care!
Just wanted to say I really liked the editing style you used in this video, particularly at the moment when the right engine fails to respond. Good stuff!
I would bet money that Dana Air turned into a "Virtual Airline". So the flights wouldn't show up as "Dana Air" but whichever companies they are hiring. I bet their fleet is grounded because they may have lost their license or something similar, so they can't fly any of their own planes.
this is a really well done and researched video!! i was only 6 when this happened but i remember this day SO VIVIDLY. sadly my father was actually on this flight going on a business trip to lagos. his death is actually what got me into watching these disaster breakdowns in the first place and i’m so glad there’s actually a full video about this because i feel like not a lot of people knew about it. this was such an avoidable accident and sometimes i wonder how different my life would’ve been if i grew up with a dad. thank you 4 covering this and it was a very interesting video 👍❤️
100% in love with the snark at the end - was hollering over here! Awesome research as always, and it was so nice hearing you sounding a little cheery at times! Great work once again, Chloe!
Well Done! 👏🏻 I must confess I knew next to nothing about this accident and you've covered it brilliantly. Your content is the best and keeps getting better. You explain technical details in a way even I can understand. This accident was a cocktail of bad mixed with worse and a dash of worst. And people pay the price with their lives.
This was such an interesting video but i lost it when you lost it over the engine fixer uppers being in Florida lol but dang. I got creepy vibes when you were trying to track flights down but they weren't showing up. How scary! But it's good they haven't had another fatal crash.
I can't wait for your Disaster Breakdown of the nightmare "incident" that befell flight DAL194 from Atlanta bound for Barcelona on the 1st September 2023. It truly was a brown trouser affair!
Yay! Love the outtro. I was kind of laughing along with you in the confusion. Awesome to see how safe properly following regulations makes flying. Keep up the great work!
Wow big failures on the captains part. Not allowing crew members to make decisions. No procedures were followed. Very negligent. RIP everyone that died.
This was easily the best episode you produced. Equally shocked, intrigued and chuckled at points throughout this video especially at the very end with the personal investigation into their fleet tracking. Let out a very hearty laugh at the “Value Jet” bit. Just perfection at every step.
Thank you so much for this video, i am a Nigerian and ive been anticipating more nigerian air disaster breakdown. Kindly make breakdowns for these air disasters in Nigeria also : Bellview airline flight 210 domestic passenger flight of Boeing 737 and sosoliso airline Flight 1145 domestic passanger flight of Mc Donnell Douglas DC 9-32); of which one of them was conveying primary school pupils . Thanks
Who wouldve thought that naming an air travel company after your cousins friend from down the street who got in a fight with her boyfriend at Arbys would be a bad company to work for / travel with?
Oh, they do still fly. I see em almost everyday because because I know the glide slope of the Murtala Mohammed airport and see planes descending. I saw one earlier today, it did 2 missed approaches although in its defense the weather was cloudy and foggy and DAMN those engines are loud
Chloe, every time you upload its like a tasty lil treat! Thank you for your hard work and all the effort that goes into these videos! Aviation has been a special interest of mine since I was 7.
Holy crap, second hand 300's from southwest and MD80's from Alaska? Not only old planes but unkept planes. There's a reason Alaska dumped their 80's in the 00's.
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Thanks for making this video. It brings me back my childhood memories because I used to often hear about this plane crash when I was a kid. Now, from this video, I can easily learn more about this accident and the airline.
yup.. and this is why, after all the tube ads, and patreon begging etc in every video.. after all that, then..to get yet more ..."sponsored by.." stuff is insulting. if you aint making enough money by now chloe, dont do the vids, get a job instead.. simple.
Un profundo agradecimiento por el invaluable episodio. Impresionante resultado, inimaginable meticulosa preparación e investigación, no sólo muchas gracias sino también ¡muchas felicidades!!
I'm a current pilot at Spirit. I've heard the internal stories about this guy. He was a well-known jerk off and lousy pilot who did very dumb things and got himself fired. No one was surprised when this accident happened. The incident that finally shuffled him out the door was a hard landing somewhere in the Caribbean (at this time the MD80 was gone and it was an Airbus A319). It was hard enough that a few passenger oxygen masks dropped. He basically went around the cabin and reinstalled the masks, while asking the flight attendants to stay quiet about it. But the plane's telemetry sent a message back to Airbus in France that this plane had crashed. Airbus contacted Spirit to ask about the plane, and Spirit said they knew nothing of a crash and that the plane was enroute back to Florida. Airbus asked Spirit to ground the plane on arrival, and then all of this came out. He was fired immediately and the FAA eventually suspended his certificate.
This puts the "there's going to be an investigation" comment in a greater light. This guy was flying in CYOA mode, worrying more about his job than the lives on board.
They say one cannot speculate, but I feel something fishy with the captain's licence....another link in the chain?
8:55 - captain/pilot at SPIRIT
"..the plane's telemetry sent a message back to Airbus in France that this plane had crashed. Airbus contacted Spirit .." Why doesn't the airline get informed at the same time, or is it just that Spirit operations weren't paying attention?
Honestly no idea. That's just the story I heard.
I lost friends on that flight and I have since been searching for answers as to what caused a plane to fall out of the sky just a few miles from the airport. Thanks for your investigations which has given me a clear insight into the Nigerian civil aviation. I had made a decision never to board a Dana flight out of respect to my late friends. A lot of us Nigerians have a false sense of safety with foreign pilots with the view that they would follow all the safety flight precautions. The unfortunate thing is that Dana air is not alone in these atrocities. I have been on flights and noticed that some pilots do not carried out pre flight control checks before taxing to the runway. Please investigate other Nigerian flights to educate the Nigerian people. Thank you so much.
Hi Kenny: I have been to Nigeria many times, quite a few years ago now..... I wish you well in your fight to investigate other Nigerian flights..... but you would only be scratching the surface of the problems your country really faces....... And you know it.
I have traveled to every country in West Africa and only Nigeria, ever made me nervous or apprehensive.....Warri ,Sapele, Port Harcourt ....lovely places up the creeks, unlike say Apapa.
Nah..... I have no desire whatsoever to repeat those experiences.
I hope things improve. Take care.
I'm so sorry for your losses😞✌️
So very sorry 😢
@@patagualianmostly7437if only he only kept his need for attention to himself, this wouldn’t have happened. First things first, why were you in Nigeria? You don’t write like a serious person so I’m guessing for pleasure as that’s what our LEADERS are very concerned about. This is a beautiful country and I’m fortunate to reside in Apapa. The “problem” with our country as you say it - are the individuals we are unfortunate to have in office inviting and transporting folks like yourself across Africa
I'm really sorry.
The fact there’s an airline in Nigeria unironically called Value Jet is tempting fate.
Oh dear…
Average subsaharan African airlines
We used to have an airline in the US called ValuJet. After a rather notorious crash in 1996, they were bought out and renamed by AirTran.
@@beaka63 🤓
@@beaka63
1. Correcting someone when it's neither relevant nor useful like that isn't helpful and doesn't make you look smart. It makes you look like an asshole. I'm saying this as somebody who has made that mistake previously. I may even be making it right now, but you made a tempting enough target that I don't care beyond adding this acknowledgement.
2. If you're going to "correct" someone, you should probably at least be actually correct about it. Unironically is, in fact, a word. Google is free.
3. "It's either ironic or it is not." is a false dichotomy. Something can be ironic in some ways and unironic in others. But, even if it were accurate, it doesn't actually support your claim. Unironically means not ironic, since un means not. The word tells you which of the two options it is.
I am a nigerian and I was 11 years old when it happened, just got back from school. I still remember my mom running downstairs and telling us that a friend of her’s was on that plane.
Been waiting for YEARS to get someone to cover the crash properly, so thank you very much.
I'm so sorry for your family's loss 🙏
I'm sure that was traumatic as a child ❤
Sending positive vibes ❤❤❤
So sorry
Why lie to strangers on the internet ? Is it an attention thing ?
@@ppstorm_ What do you believe to be a lie? That a crash happened or that the OP's mum knew someone on board?
I knew about 8 of the victims, none of them family, but one a close enough friend that we spoke just a couple of days before this accident.
Many of the passengers were attendees of a large society wedding returning home and those circles are small enough that if you belonged to them, you'd know a few of those poor folk.
I don't understand how you reached the conclusion that relaying a story with regards to a semi personal connection to the crash equates to seeking attention!
@@ozzyphil74 u mad?
DANA stands for Dangerous And Not Airworthy.
or Non-Airworthy too
I thought it was "Dead-Ass NON-Aviators" ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 lmao
How about Damn Another Negligent Airline
Yeah no kidding!!
I flew Dana Air last month from Lagos to Owerri. It was for my grandmother's burial and there were no alternatives. There was water leaking into the cabin seemingly from outside the fuselage when we were descending. I'm not sure they've fixed much.
Wow
I'm glad you made it safely.
@@WhiteWolf-lm7gj thank you!
While that is a valid issue, I’m confident if there was a leakage large enough to allow water into a pressurized cabin that goes thru multiple pressurization cycles a day, that plane would almost immediately burst open the very next time it hit cruise altitude. A pressurized cabin with a hole will very quickly deteriorate and destroy the fuselage usually within minutes killing everyone, it will quickly cause stress cracks that will fail within minutes, if not seconds and tear the plane into pieces. You can’t have a hole in a balloon.
@@yeahmon6296 yeah I agree, that's why I said "seemingly". It most likely was some sort of internal component though, because we checked the overhead lockers and there was nothing spilled. Doesn't inspire confidence
My wife is Nigerian and she has long been a nervous flyer thanks to Nigeria's poor aviation safety record, especially this incident
I’m a Nigerian and I work at MIU airport. The reason you don’t find Dana air or some airplanes like Erj-145 of air peace and United Nigeria, A220s of Ibom air, b737-classic of max air and air peace, etc, is because of the types of transponders (old) used on the airplanes and also the amount of coverage of flight radar devices in Nigeria. That’s why you don’t get to see them on flight radar 24. Thanks.
Lots of dodgy shit going on in Nigeria
I think the old adsb transponders only broadcast to terrestrial stations. There won't be many private receivers for the apps in Nigeria. Newer transponders also send to sattelite receivers. So newer planes have better coverage. I might be wrong but I suspect this to be the case
@@rbauer961 yes you got a point. And most Nigerian planes are old models or old age.
Planespotters (FWIW) has all of the fleet listed as stored or out of the country
The A-220 is a very recent plane, it should have the latest generation of ADSB transponder. But if this is an "option" when purchasing the plane, then it may not be on any of Ibom's planes. It would be great if more people had receivers in Nigeria, I think sites like ADSBExchange and FlightRadar 24 give the receivers for free to anyone that wants to host one in places where there is not much coverage.
I am a Nigerian and I am glad this is getting uncovered. The fact it also happened on my birthday was so disheartening. Thank you for the detailed breakdown once again.
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Dana still continues to fly. Although it feels like they are slowly dwindling. There have been a few runway excursions and it baffles me that people still choose to fly with them.
Terrible tragedy!
But does Dana air still active? I have also spent some time but i found nothing
But the thing is you should know financially flying isn’t cheap for people in blossoming countries with good financial status let alone Nigeria where a large portion of their people have to do things that unfortunately shine some bad attention on the country.
🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬 I see u happy birthday boss
@Fast_2104 Very much active. Still flying Mad dogs😢. I am Nigerian i have flown on every Airline in Nigeria Except Dana. And i dont have any intentions of ever flying with them.
This accident is the equivalent of: “BUT WAIT. THERE’S MORE.” And it’s not even close.
Exactly!
It's the Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron of aviation.
@@jfangm that's aeroflot. who makes this one look like the safest airline in the world
@@jfangm
"The Kamchatka..."
Unsurprisingly another McDonald Douglas kerosene chicken disaster video.🤔✈️🛩
Chloe, yet another fantastic breakdown. As a pilot, you have my seal of approval. Providing loads of information, undoubtedly doing tens of hours of research for a single video, all while covering this absurd airline and bringing some comedy into it, absolutely keeps me coming back
I think rear airstairs are the coolest things. It’s one of the reasons I love the Boeing 727, not to mention it’s sleek, elegant lines. And with that aggressively swept back T-tail, it’s the most beautiful and classic aircraft design Boeing ever made.
I agree. 727 seems to just float when taking off!
@morticiaaddams7866; Absolutely. Placement of the jet engines, clustered around the aft fuselage, gave it that clean wing look. And that, coupled with the increased performance from 3 engines, assisted its shorter takeoff runs; allowing its access to more moderately sized airports all over the country. Much is often made about the groundbreaking effect of the Boeing 747, and its completely transformative impact on the airline travel industry; allowing for a dramatic reduction in airfare, subsequently opening international flights to the masses, in ways previously never thought possible. But if all that is true, and of course I know that it is, then the introduction of the 727 into airline fleets, was as equally revolutionary in the sphere of the domestic aviation market; opening inter-city routes to jet travel; relegating the vast majority of the slower piston engine and turboprop equipment into obsolescence in one fell swoop. The 727 revolutionized domestic passenger services seemingly overnight. The fact that it was also gorgeous, was just an added bonus. It’s was so classic, and modern looking, and ahead of its time, that it still wouldn’t in any way, look out of place amongst today’s airline fleets.
I think the only other jetliner which comes anywhere near the beauty of the Boeing 727, is the British built, Vickers Super VC-10. The 'Super' specifically because the aircraft’s elongation, contributed to its sleekness. The 'British Overseas Airways Corporation' (BOAC) deep navy blue, with gold markings livery, didn’t do it any harm either. Unfortunately the VC-10 didn’t have as long of a successful run as the 727.
The 727 however, was ubiquitous. You practically couldn’t throw a stone without hitting one, and it was the first Boeing aircraft production line to exceed 1,000 orders. They built that craft for generations, and IT WORKED.
Now, it wasn’t the same experience when you were onboard them, but when you were watching 727’s externally; be prepared for them to knock your socks off. I’ll never forget the roar and air-cracking sound of those JT8D’s at takeoff. You didn’t just hear them, you felt them all the way into your bones. All around the airport terminal, it sounded like rockets were being launched, and used to give me goosebumps. And I know their engines weren’t as clean, but I still think the rocket-like soot trails behind them were kinda cool. Oh how I miss those old dirty birds!
I haven’t admired the shape of any particular aeroplanes since owning a fat glossy book as a kid in the late 1970s which featured lovely photos of planes old & new yet on watching this video yesterday I indeed thinking what a cool looking machine this thing is compared to most I’ve noticed on these channels. And I thought the back stairs thing was great as well. we obviously have a great sense of technical beauty. I reckon that dodgy & frankly murderous Captain had something naughty concealed around those back stairs….😁👍🐢ps if nothing else that company’s’ livery suits the beast & is befitting its lines in my opinion.
I am amazed that anyone decided to name their airline ValueJet without at least googling to make sure that wasn’t a name entirely associated with one of the most negligent crashes in history.
With another connection to Florida, no less!
@@marinareilly-collette2490 Florida needs to be investigated...
The whole damn state!
Or is it related to their notorious predecessor?
That deserves another "What the actual fuck?"
Valujet not exactly a stellar name amongst airlines
Funny how intuition works. As soon as you mentioned an experienced American pilot flying for a domestic Nigerian airline I knew something must have happened for him to not get a job closer to home
Exactly. It's a weird thing that many Nigerian air travellers tend to feel safer when they see foreign pilots in the front seat. The thinking being, oh these guys must have more experience and possibly access to better training.
It's a failure of understanding of the incentives and deep thinking about this. In reality, it is usually below average pilots with questionable histories who come to work for our relatively poorer paying airlines. I say relatively because pilots are very well compensated by Nigerian standards so some excellent Nigerian pilots see no need to go elsewhere except for training. The best ones do get jobs with foreign airlines but since they must be exceptional to be hired over local pilots there, these are the cream of the crop and have to have a bit of luck too to get jobs elsewhere. Consequently local aircrew tends to be of an actual higher standard as their standard of living isn't an issue and of course they're more integrated. It's the lack of enough air crew and sometimes the ownership structure of the airline (for example Dana is owned by Indians) that compels the hiring of foreign pilots, not actually superlative performance. I ruminate on this whenever I'm in the country and on one of those flights.
@@ozzyphil74 I mean to be fair it can be a cultural thing. Having a foreign pilot could be a good sign if the training of your own country is well known to be subpar. Most people don't really think to the point of realizing "Wait why would a great foreign pilot go all the way here instead of staying in his home nation for better pay?" I actually remember hearing about a few nations that mandated that there has to be a foreign pilot in the cockpit to help with possible culture issues that a different training and culture could get around. So this feels like a Depending on the nation thing. Sometimes it's a good sign if the nation is rich enough to attract good pilots. Other times it's a bad thing if the nation is too poor.
@@moalboris239 Of course nuance is everything. There's a vast difference between mandated cultural /skills exchanges, albeit I would wonder why they didn't simply undertake the appropriate training for their nationals, and what I'm describing. Let's get this right, I'm not against the hiring of pilots of other nationalities. Free movement of labour is a respected and great tradition. I'm sure some of our airlines do wish to hire experienced training captains and foreign nationals with other useful skills. The issue is that they're often not paying well enough to get the top level guys.
I got that feeling, too. Similar to the Flight Engineer on Saudi 163
More like common sense.
I think there is a possible reason why you can't track any of Dana's planes, Their flights having their transponder turned off thus not sending any information to the FR24 and anything else😂
Dana air classic
The problem with everything bad in Nigeria is corruption. Enforcement agencies will take bribes and look the other way. Imagine if people actually did their jobs, all this could have been avoided
Need I say more? Been a major problem in Nigeria since Independence. I was there in the '70's.... the corruption was diabolical. At all levels.
Blk run countries are all like this. It’s cultural/genetic
my gf was there a few years ago, it's horrible, always was.
Not sure it's just corruption.
I think what partially caused the pilots' demise is that they were expecting the best, hoping their aircraft will function normally. As Mike Bannister said in his book, aviation safety isn't about hoping for the best, it's about expecting the worst and basing your decisions on that. If both engines work normally, always prepare for an engine failure. If there's an engine failure, think about what would happen if a dual failure occured.
True
The classic saying of prepare for the worst, hope for the best
@@Jenner_IIC My Momma used to say, "Hope in one hand, and sh*t in the other. See which one fills up faster!" ;o)
As a private pilot not currently flying, who worked ground services as my job, my time in Cessna 172s and Piper Cherokees was spent always keeping the next emergency landing site near the top of my flight management procedures. I flew at high altitude, knew where the nearest airports were, and I flew IFR (I Follow Roads).
Me personally*, I expect the worst case for a lot of stuff (even though I am somewhat optimistic, and a bit impulsive with my decision making), but at the same time can lack situational awareness. If someone asks me to grab something for them, it takes forever for me to find it, only for the item to be right under my nose. :) I also struggle at "reading the room".
*Disclaimer: Not a pilot here, just a young man who finds anything mechanical or science fascinating, and enjoy learning about how our society works. Disaster Breakdown combines the mechanical stuff with science and how humans interact with each other and themselves, which is why this channel is one of my favorites. Also, the Swiss Cheese model applies to most disasters. Also, it is epic that Bannister flew the fastest passenger jet in the world.
To be considered the worst Airline ever when Adam Air once existed, is quite a distinction to achieve. Perhaps they should change their slogan to 'The Dumbest Way to Fly'?
Also Paninternational existed. It was literally a tax return scheme with aircraft. Kept in the air by an east german spy.
Yeah this dude somehow managed to beat Adam Air, which is a astounding. Like I’m at a loss for words
The smartest way to die🤬
@@stanislavczebinski994 "The CLEVEREST way to DIE." There... I fixed it for you. Clever does NOT equal Smart... ;o)
well at least the adam air crashed because of being distracted with the navigation this is just a dumpster fire of events
I started watching this channel about a month ago, and as of today, I have officially watched every single one of your videos from the oldest to the most recent. You have truly grown so much, and I immediately noticed a quality difference when you started doing non-scheduled posts. Keep up the good work, can't wait to see more!
It will shock you to know that a DANA AIRLINE plane crash landed about two weeks ago in Lagos thankfully nobody was hurt. The minister for aviation in Nigeria has suspended their license till further notice. In a sane country Dana should have been out of business long long time ago
With the right engine '?missing' it almost makes me think Millennium techs found something that could potentially make the company liable in the accident and executives at the company had the engine 'disappeared' to protect them...
Really! OMG!
Yeah Millenium really feels even more the villain than the drunken cowboy pilot
It could be in service as we speak.
@@kevinmoffatti personally believe millennium have it locked away in a warehouse somewhere. in hopes that the truth never comes to light
Disgusting!
As a Floridian… your frustration about hearing how almost everything connected back to Florida was felt 😂
I was at some point expecting this to turn into a "Florida man" story.
@@renerpho Isn’t it? “Florida Man Ignores Engine Failure, Crashes into Suburb”
With any disaster you are within 6 degrees of a Florida Man
You should try Ohio
SabreTech, the company responsible for ValuJet 592,
(By loading Flammable Oxygen Generator that are prohibited)
was based in *Florida*
The people responsible for ValuJet are still on the run.
PartnAir 394 had bogus (counterfeit) spare parts. Which caused the crash of the aircraft.
Those parts came from the black market in *Miami*
Eastern Airlines Flight 980 crashed under Mysterious circumstances. To this day we don't know what was the reason for the crash.
Several people living near the accident site reported an explosion in the sky.
Many people (probably correctly) claim that eastern airlines was involved in some shady businesses, like drug- and human trafficking...
(The airplane was headed to *Miami* , the airlines main hub with some stop overs)
After American Airlines 965.
Stolen parts from the crashed 757 re-appeared on the black market in....
Wait for it.....
*Miami*
So Florida is known for Strange business deals with shady airlines, pilots, maintenance companies.
As an flight attendant for 33 years I used to tell my passengers when we have mechanical, problem, or we have issues delay, is better to be late! than never!! obviously this pilot did not heed to that statement!
Lagos Nigeria, oh yes, the worlds capital for internet scammers, always emailing or calling people to steal money
World capital?? is India joke to you?😂
This is by far, one of the most anticipated air-crash reviews for most Nigerians. It was emotional to the core and touched many people's lives. Thanks so much for this!
"Florida, again?!?" made me choke on my drink. What a sad, mad tale. Thanks for another great video, Chloe!
I giggle like a toddler every single time
Chloe?
As a Nigerian, it feels good to see you create content and spread awareness on what happened here.
Love it.
The narrator's voice is so soothing. Rather than sounding angry, they just sound disappointed. Great documentary!
It doesn't seem to be a good idea to send engines to a firm that was involved with maintenance of the engines to be investigated for poor maintenance.
Wouldn't an independent firm have been better?
That's what also puzzled me. Whose decision was it to send the engine to the maintenance company? If the US authorities were helping, wouldn't they have had the competence to analyze the engine independently?
Yeh its very odd, its like sending a Russian Olympic athlete accused for using drugs, for drugs screening, in russia. There is a conflict of interest.
I assume corruption.
>The maintenance company told Dana Air executive something like " you want top job then you have to pay 💵 "
>Executive be like: "brhh... just do enough to make it fly, can't spend that much on such unimportant piece like engine's maintenance.
>The whole thing needed to be sanctioned by Nigerian commercial Flight authority and government who would find the shady job during eventual safety check.
>That problem was taken care off with bribe, money saved in engine maintenance comes handy.
So now all 3 parties have poo in their bum, so how they get away with this?
"Keep it in ourselves and dismantle the engine"
I would have expected the engines to be sent back to the manufacturer.
@@colincampbell767 They would also tamper with it in case it was their fault.
Investigation is done independently with third parties only overseeing it to answer questions like "this aluminium plate should have been changed 5 years ago according to our memo, blame airline" and so on and so forth.
Sending it back to the maintenance company was a huge mistake.
The most striking detail of this is that somebody thought it was a good idea to name another airline ValueJet. Brilliant...
When I tell you my jaw hit the floor 💀
Thats what I thought. Why would you curse your airline like that?
May jaw dropped when you said the second engine stopped working. Gosh. Thank you for your video. Well researched and your narration is really entertaining.
Hey there
Im Nigerian, and as someone who flies frequently, I can say for sure that Dana air is still in operation. You would most likely not find them on Flightrader because their transponders are either miscoded or not visible for some reason. The same is the case for Max air, United Nigeria and Overland Airways.
Its a common thing here, cause most planes in Nigeria are more than 20years old.
It’s amazing to see that you’re big enough to attract big name sponsors! Keep up the great work!
Thank you :)
It's an honor to have such a cool sponsor like Curiosity Stream.
I remember when this was still a small channel... its nice to see your fave youtubers grow
@@DisasterBreakdown Hi Chloe I have subscribed to your channel after I saw one of your investigation videos your journalistic skills and documentary presentation is top notch even more so- and correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think you’re actually a pilot ? if that is true even more Kudo’s to you as you also explain the more technical aspects very well (from my rather limited private flying experience opinion anyway! ) Lol
37:21 "To this day the whereabouts of that engine are still not known." That just takes my breath away.
I mean... If you consider the fact that the US has lost several nucler bombs during the cold war and some of them have never turned up again (including hydrogen bombs) the loss of an airplane engine seems much more believable and just outright benign...
I was absolutely expecting them to say that it was found on the other MD-80 in their DANA's fleet.
Well, here goes a wild theory:
What If they picked apart this engine and used everything somewhat in shape for spare parts for other engines?
Because if they did, or at least someone working there, then they obviously couldn't put it back together and decided to get rid of the rest.
It's at least possible.
It fell on Donny darkos house.
Second hand engine, for parts, slightly used. Someone would definitely buy it. lol
I had to look things up myself and found Dana Air had its operating license suspended last July due to being insolvent. However, they got their license back four months later after passing their audits with Nigeria's safety authority. So it seems as if they are still running legally but with a very small crew and fleet.
I'm a mechanical engineering student, not an aerospace engineering student, or aircraft mechanic.but I do have an understanding of the rudiments of stacking forces within internal combustion engines (which jet engines are, as they are propelled by the deflagration of fuel) and many mechanical systems. I'm always aghast when I hear about negligent or improper maintenance of aircraft engines like in this case, furthermore I'm reminded to be grateful of the engineers who designed these engines. these engines aren't exceedingly fragile but they do rely on a proper balance of forces to not catastrophically fail. if everybody who worked with these engines knew exactly what conditions are required to make these engines function properly they would be incredibly vehement about making sure they fulfill their maintenance schedules with cross checks by every branch of employees that interacts with these planes. but that will never be so, pilots and execs aren't engineers and they shouldn't and don't have to be, which leads to them leaning heavily on the fact that the design engineers are required by their trade to over-engineer everything and build as much safety into the systems as they can and still meet performance targets.
it's just aggravating to know the executive suite leans so heavily on the robustness of this technology with no appreciation of the effort that went into making it and what a miracle it is they even have it. if you took every person with a business degree and stripped them of all modern technology and told them to restart civilization, they would either self destruct in violence, be killed off by the near infinite dangers inherent to the natural world, or it would be another 180,000 years before recorded history starts again and then 10,000 more before people, not concerned with the shallow acquisition of material wealth, recreate the modern world.
the knowledge they specialize in is an artificial abstraction relying on the modern world science created to be of any use and they have little appreciation or recognition of this. thus when someone knowledgeable about science says "hey, you need to take care of this technology or it's going to fail" they don't treat the matter with the import it requires as they are so far removed from even the broad concepts of science. this is why a liberal style education that exposes one to a healthy cross section of topics is more helpful to society than the current ever worsening trend of early specialized education.
Kind of the opposite there. The key thing for restarting civilization would be more leadership then science knowledge. You can have all the knowledge in the world but if you can't convince anyone to do anything with it none of it matters. Civilization is less born from Bob knowing how to make fiber glass and more from Bob being able to convince his neighbors to stop trying to knock him over the head with a rock to take his flock of sheep. And with a good enough management skillset you can organize people who do know what you need in order to make things work.
This was one i have been waiting for. I lost a cousin of mine on this flight. Its so sad to see that the Nigerian Aviation Industry is still unsafe till this day. If you were to go by the books only 1 or 2 airlines in Nigeria would be fit to operate.
I know we have some issues but why do you say this? Is this some inside knowledge or just speculation? I'm genuinely curious.
@@ozzyphil74 corruption. that's why
I love you adding those little moments of genuine 'what the actual fu-', really adds to the video.
There’s a reason many Airlines from Asia and Africa aren’t allowed to fly to the US and Europe as FAA and EASA would not allow for them not have the minimum safety requirements , usually planes are too old as well , that’s the problem with poor countries , governments will turn the blind eye and let crooked companies operate .
The quality of these videos just keeps getting better and better Chloe! And the end part was hilarious
Time for disaster breakdown binge
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I know right we have mayday then 74 with Kelsey and mentor pilot channels
nothing left to binge :(
@@Lasvegasnowman1don't forget Green Dot. He's excellent! And he's Irish 🇮🇪
Glad I'm not the only binger. D B is addictive. He does an incredible job.
I love that you cover some of the lesser-known aviation accidents! I never even knew Dana Air existed until this video.
That rear airstair thing is weird, especially partnered with the fear of investigation. Were they smuggling something, or had they had a tail strike they were trying to cover?
It's very strange
I wonder if the right engine being used to run the entire flight overstressed it to the point of failure. Like obviously maintenance wasn't the most kept up and poorly maintained things fail more frequently when under high stress.
Chloe, your videos get better and better every time! As someone who goes absolutely nuts for "rabbit holes" in research, I love that you actually took the time to try and figure out if Dana Air is still flying. That's the sort of thing that I *absolutely* would do, either for fun or for my actual job. You have my serious respect and kudos! Keep up the great work - and hunting rabbits down their holes when you think it's necessary to give us the complete picture!
This crash and how much it was covered essentially built up my love for aviation.
I remember exactly where I was when this crash happened. I was in 2nd grade and that day was my grandma's birthday. My 2nd grade teacher had a video of the plane coming down and hitting the unfinished building right after coming over his house.
Mr. Waxtan's selfish intentions killed 155 people and us Nigerians have a certain resent for the very mention of his name. How Dana Air continues to fly after this accident is a mystery to me and how they celebrated after receiving a 20 year old 737-300/500 told me everything I need to know about them.
Thank you for this video, Chloe. Everyone deserves to know how terrible Dana Air was, and still continues to be to this day. I don't travel often, but thankfully, people that do are starting to express concern over their aging planes. Even we know how little maintenance airline would do to save costs, especially now that our economy is going to shit.
What a rant lmao.
Seems like a legitimate rant. I feel so lucky living in Australia where air travel safely is taken for granted. Everyone deserves that.
my parents had just come back from lagos at the time and i was just a kid too, and i remember exactly where i was when i heard the news. it gave me a horrible fear of flying that’s still with me and a fear of my parents taking business trips. also a terrible feeling whenever planes fly over my house. i resent him and all of dana air’s horrible operations
on top of that, i went to the same school that lost 60 (well, 59) of its students in the infamous 2005 crash in PH, flying terrifies me so much though do it fairly frequently
just found your channel through suggestions
you have such a calm voice that make your explanations and breakdown of the facts incredible to listen to. you would be fantastic at doing audiobook work and the like
thanks for the video!
They tried everything they could think of to restart the engine., except following the checklist.
Hearing Chloe say "Florida again!? OMG, dude!" absolutely sent me! 😂😂😂
Now you know how the other 49 states feel lol
Same! It was so random, I love it!
And yet, you can have the same sort of reaction (on different subjects) for pretty much any state in the US. For that matter, elsewhere in the world too, at the very least some places but wouldn't be surprised if most.
Still, Florida Man is a potent meme.
@@KaiHenningsen My dude, Florida Man is trying to war on Disney, come on, there HAS to be lead in the drinking water down there. lmao!
@KaiHenningsen Agreed! But you gotta admit, Florida has been an especially eye-rolling hot topic in the news these past couple years
I would rather fly in a crop duster. You'd be safer.
DB: Took place in Nigeria
Me (a Floridian): Oh thank goodness, I'm safe this time
DB: The accident captain was actually from Florida
Me: OH COME ON
DB: And the parts that failed were also Florida's handywork
ME: YOU'RE KIDDING
dunking on florida is cool, although when it comes to aerospace, iirc it's home to Cape Canaveral, space x, etc.
Yeah it has its upsides. I watched a spa e shuttle lift off on my drive to work
@@SuchBadUserNamethe fact that it's an aerospace hub just confirms that Florida is batshit insane.
Bah! I was in The Merchant Navy at the time and due to finish my 'tour 'in Warri, Nigeria .(Seen on one of the maps at the end) asked if I wanted to take leave and return to the UK by air,
I said "Are you mad?"...."No thank you, I'll return to the UK on this ship!"......by that time I had heard many stories of flying into and out of Nigeria.....the sloppy safety standards, the corruption of Customs Officials.....etc etc..... A three month extension to my "tour" was much preferable...... Thank you very much.
Damn. This was an accident that should’ve never happened in the first place.
Poor piloting, poor maintenance and an improper work culture at Dana Air. This shouldn’t have been able to happen at all.
The video you did on South African Airways 295 was what hooked me to this channel. This new video is but another reason as to why staying was one of the best decisions I ever made.
Edit: The Florida bit and trying to track Dana Air flights was hysterical. 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for watching!
It's amazing how 'big' this video got. What puzzles me is just how Dana Air can keep getting so many violations and suspensions and STILL be allowed to keep flying to this day. Still a very well done video that I enjoyed watching.
The airline is not as bad as you think it's a low budget airline and yet still manages to keep on flying after many set backs
It's probably because the Nigerian government doesn't want to hurt the country's air business by taking away a part of it - or it could just be corruption
This really makes me angry. The arrogance and poor attitude of the Captain created an unsafe and deadly situation killing everyone. Dana Air also need to take responsibility for hiring him.
I absolutely love this kind of content, informative investigative disaster type stuff. I stumbled across your channel looking for something to watch on the treadmill today, it looks like I have a lot of content to watch while I am at work this week. Thank you!
I’ve been waiting for a doc about this -thank you. Terrible incident 😢
You're welcome.
Did you make the right engine fail?@@DisasterBreakdown
@@zygbeee8563 Very funny.
It is important to remember that Captain Waxtan was a victim of this tragedy too. He was not exactly the cream of the crop, but this doesn’t mean he deserved to die - for his own sake, the system should have weeded him out, but this system failed. A better airline might have been able to make a decent pilot out of him, but tragically, the culture at Dana Air actively exacerbated his most dangerous failings. He was also handed a plane that could scarcely have been called airworthy, which callously placed him in a situation that no pilot should ever have to face. At the very least, his story should serve as a cautionary tale for other airlines on a continent where the industry is still struggling to meet the level of safety that its growing middle class has begun to expect.
Pilots should be allowed to refuse to fly those planes which are not airworthy!
Honestly, I feel a little sorry for him as well. Yes, he should’ve turned the plane around when he saw the first engine issue, but knowing the culture of these airlines I suspect they would’ve asked him why he didn’t just continue the flight if one engine was working and they were 17 minutes into an hour flight. Somehow I suspect there may even have been job repercussions if he didn’t do what they wanted, after all they did send pilots out on planes they complained about.
The moment the second engine stopped responding there was nothing he really could do. This wasn’t purely pilot error like so many accidents are.
Just sad all around.
I might credit Admiral Cloudberg for writing this sentence, He/she is a really good plane crash anyalyzer
@@juliemanarin4127 They are allowed to do so.
@@Mike-zf4xg The crash happened, when they were going in for landing. How do u know, it wouldnt have happened at landing, regardless of where they attempted to land?
What I think is so crazy is that investigators can literally find evidence form something that’s gone through hell, even in the story of Concorde the investigators noted down the final readings of the instruments. In one voyager plane, the accidentally pilot put camera between his seat’s and the control stick of airbus which left a black strip on the camera bottom part, they literally spctrally analysed the strip and confirmed that it was the material from the side stick of the plane
A case study in what happens when literally everything goes wrong.
Alaska Airlines, from what I have read, has had serious maintenance problems of its own so I am not surprised to hear that they cut corners on the maintenance of the accident aircraft when it was in their fleet.
On another note, this story is a very dark version of a particular sort of US meme known as "Florida man."
I note that Dana Air has just been given clearance to fly again after their ban in 2022. Great breakdown on how NOT to operate an airline! Thanks DB from Aussie PLANEIAC
One assumes and hopes that the shortfalls have been addressed but it could simply be due to political interference and the need for additional aviation to service the growth in demand
@@ozzyphil74 agreed 👍
I could hear the palpable confusion and frenzy in Chloe's voice trying to figure out what's up with this airline at the end LOL. Great video.
This crash happened 3 blocks from a classmates house while i was in high school, we were all unsettled for a couple of weeks seeing how it so easily could have involved his family.
Thanks for this video, I've spent years looking for indepth analysis into this crash and this is the only channel that's gone over it.
You just got a new sub, the algorithm finally showed me your channel. I’m a former ramp agent and we exclusively serviced American MD-82/83’s. I begrudgingly developed a love for the type, especially after I started riding the brakes during our very frequent, single gate, tow operations.
"We just want to get the fuck home!"
That's such a mood.
I know that mood. I felt it every time I had to sit in traffic on my way home from my office pre-Covid. Now I experience it when I'm trying to get home from my doctor's appointments!
The ending Dana Air investigation was my favorite part. Just so fun and I love the research you put into this little thing.
Fun? 😡
Your voice is seriously the best for listening to. Thank you for making these educational videos; I really enjoy watching them.
I'm studying to become a pilot now, and stories about pilots like this make me want to be the absolute best pilot I can be
Another story told with great care and attention, I love her style and how she sometimes looses the plot when she’s really annoyed! I’m happy to support you on Patreon!
Thanks for supporting. I really appreciate it :)
Wait, I thought it was a guy speaking? He sounds like a dude, no?
@@cluelessbeekeeping1322 names appropriate, clueless!
Oh, I get it. It's a dude which 'identifies' as a girl...Ah! That makes sense! @@justinrovers1
@@cluelessbeekeeping1322 imagine choosing an aviation video to out yourself as a transphobe
The quality of each video you make just gets better and better. Really enjoyed this one Chloe. Your commentary was amazing and all the little details really added to it for me. Thanks for all your efforts Chloe they are really appreciated.
When air planes are sold. Every scrape of paper that was generated by that plane, maintenance, upgrades and service notices. They all go with the plane so if Dana air didn’t know about the manifold update, it’s because they didn’t look
🚨🚨 The Nigerian carrier has been dormant since early March 2023 due to a lack of operational aircraft. The Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority praised the carrier's decision to comply with the maintenance requirements, even though it forced it to cancel all flights.
I found this channel not long ago, and safe to say, it is very detailed while giving humanity to the victims. A great pleasure to see these videos.
If you ever accept requests, I'd recommend TAN SAHSA 414. It is an accident that only has one Spanish video made about it, with some of the circumstances after the accident being mysterious. I'm from Honduras, and even more than 30 years later, the accident still affects people today.
Take care!
Just wanted to say I really liked the editing style you used in this video, particularly at the moment when the right engine fails to respond. Good stuff!
I would bet money that Dana Air turned into a "Virtual Airline". So the flights wouldn't show up as "Dana Air" but whichever companies they are hiring. I bet their fleet is grounded because they may have lost their license or something similar, so they can't fly any of their own planes.
this is a really well done and researched video!! i was only 6 when this happened but i remember this day SO VIVIDLY. sadly my father was actually on this flight going on a business trip to lagos. his death is actually what got me into watching these disaster breakdowns in the first place and i’m so glad there’s actually a full video about this because i feel like not a lot of people knew about it. this was such an avoidable accident and sometimes i wonder how different my life would’ve been if i grew up with a dad. thank you 4 covering this and it was a very interesting video 👍❤️
100% in love with the snark at the end - was hollering over here! Awesome research as always, and it was so nice hearing you sounding a little cheery at times! Great work once again, Chloe!
Well Done! 👏🏻 I must confess I knew next to nothing about this accident and you've covered it brilliantly. Your content is the best and keeps getting better. You explain technical details in a way even I can understand.
This accident was a cocktail of bad mixed with worse and a dash of worst. And people pay the price with their lives.
Great video, with excellent research and great delivery. Another slam dunk, Chloe! Thanks for providing us with such quality content :)
I love the way Chloe just casually still calls it Twitter 🎉
This was such an interesting video but i lost it when you lost it over the engine fixer uppers being in Florida lol but dang. I got creepy vibes when you were trying to track flights down but they weren't showing up. How scary! But it's good they haven't had another fatal crash.
Unbelievably thorough job, Chloe! This one was riveting.
I had the privilege of dealing with Nigerian aviation safety many years back. I had never seen such a delapidated unsafe aircraft before or since.
Chloe's voice is very soothing
I can't wait for your Disaster Breakdown of the nightmare "incident" that befell flight DAL194 from Atlanta bound for Barcelona on the 1st September 2023. It truly was a brown trouser affair!
Yay! Love the outtro. I was kind of laughing along with you in the confusion. Awesome to see how safe properly following regulations makes flying. Keep up the great work!
Wow big failures on the captains part. Not allowing crew members to make decisions. No procedures were followed. Very negligent. RIP everyone that died.
This was easily the best episode you produced. Equally shocked, intrigued and chuckled at points throughout this video especially at the very end with the personal investigation into their fleet tracking. Let out a very hearty laugh at the “Value Jet” bit. Just perfection at every step.
Yeah, I remember seeing a video dedicated to one of the airline stewardess killed in this disaster.
Thank you for this video.
Thank you so much for this video, i am a Nigerian and ive been anticipating more nigerian air disaster breakdown.
Kindly make breakdowns for these air disasters in Nigeria also : Bellview airline flight 210 domestic passenger flight of Boeing 737 and sosoliso airline Flight 1145 domestic passanger flight of Mc Donnell Douglas DC 9-32); of which one of them was conveying primary school pupils .
Thanks
Well I've been asking for an incident from Nigeria and you've delivered one that I completely forgot about. Thank you!
Also thanks for reminding me Dana Air still exists lol
I knew my day needed something to get it straightened out. Thanks Chloe!
Hope you enjoy the video!
Who wouldve thought that naming an air travel company after your cousins friend from down the street who got in a fight with her boyfriend at Arbys would be a bad company to work for / travel with?
Oh, they do still fly. I see em almost everyday because because I know the glide slope of the Murtala Mohammed airport and see planes descending. I saw one earlier today, it did 2 missed approaches although in its defense the weather was cloudy and foggy and DAMN those engines are loud
That was a seriously wild ride! Can't believe they're still "operating"
Chloe, every time you upload its like a tasty lil treat! Thank you for your hard work and all the effort that goes into these videos! Aviation has been a special interest of mine since I was 7.
So... absolutely NO ONE gets any kind of serious punishment for killing 159 people?
Holy crap, second hand 300's from southwest and MD80's from Alaska? Not only old planes but unkept planes. There's a reason Alaska dumped their 80's in the 00's.