Tragedy When US Navy Shot Down Civilian Airliner Iran Air Flight 655 | Mayday | Wonder
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- On 3 July 1988, during the Iran-Iraq War, the USS Vincennes launches missiles which bring down Iran Air Flight 655, killing all 290 people on board. The crew of the Vincennes claimed that they mistook the airliner for an Iranian Air Force Grumman F-14 Tomcat fighter, but Iran believes that the US deliberately shot it down.
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I love how they explain how high tech the systems are on the ship , but yet could not tell the difference from a passenger liner from a F 14, and my God , why would you get medals for this ?
in the west, you get medals and Nobel Peace Prize for killing innocent civilians.
Nice
America is sick .
As high tech a ship can be, there is always "possibility". Especially during war stress and when just a year before you've been attacked first by a plane that identified as civilian jet airplane actually modified to carry missiles (USS Stark Incident). That is part of the risk working near or in the warzone.
Also, it happened back at 1988. Back then Internet & GPS hardly existed yet, even on commercial level. If there is a thing I agreed with the internet, it would be the "medal" stuffs which shouldn't be given.
In the US you get pardoned for war crimes you were convicted of. It’s what we do. We are the worlds leading terrorists.
Just imagine what would USA have done if it was the other way
Nuclear weapons are a great insurance if it comes down to get involved in a war.. if u got one, us won't treat you like that
PS 752 seems to point at a lot of nothing.
@@terrorhuhn9192 Alright, you use your nuclear weapons, then what? Using them again is a death sentence to us all.
@@unclejacksimulations9423 that's the point why they are an great insurance. Everybody knows that so they are not going to risk it that easily.
It's not about using them it's about to not getting attacked because of having it
Well, you don't have to wonder. See what they did to Gadaffi in Libya due to their plane; they would have done the same in Iran.
Imagine Getting Medals for shooting down a Civilian Plane full of Innocent Civilians
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Iranians are not real civilians 😅
@@Pintocaleb256what do you mean
Why would an airliner not have communication capability, they tried to contact the plane. Iran should have told airports how they were messing around trying to sink innocent ships that were unarmed. Mess around and find out what happens
Like i said people don't know what really happened.. Fk around and get dealt with
The dude that said "the plane is descending" when it was actually ascending, need to be jailed for incompatance alone
So you wouldn't back up your own guys if they made a possible error in a split second decision where they can't go back and correct it? You'd make a great boss. SMH.
Back him up? Are you out of your mind ? They killed more than 200 hundred incocent civillian in a cold blood murder ,if this wouldve happened to an ameircan airliner u would be screaming out loud knowing if someone f up the the positioning of the aircraft that lead to missle being fried at it, you dont know what u are talking about brother @putnamcountycrimeanalysiswandr
@@putnamcountycrimeanalysiswandralso these people are not McDonald's workers that can make mistakes and he forgiven, depends the type of the mistakes that these people make behind these death machines actual innocent people will die so they have gone through hundreds of hours of training these simple mistakes can't happen not acceptable , while they are operating multi million dollars warship with state of the art technology at its time
@@putnamcountycrimeanalysiswandr split seconds? You even watch the whole video?
And if your guy couldn't tell the difference between ascending and descending then you are failure as a boss!
Also giving out medals🏅 after hundreds of innocent people have been killed by their mistake? I thought this only happen in Hollywood 🤣
@@putnamcountycrimeanalysiswandrdid you even watch the full documentary, all who was responsible should have been place in jail instead of rewarding them medals.
As an American - the US was in the wrong here. Saying the plane was descending when it was ascending, and not identifying the plane on comms either. The medals at the end was just horrendous. I feel sorry for the innocent people who died.
We the people will pay for everything that ever happened , from here on out ..........
Good Night America
Don't worry Julian, the entire world knows you were and are in the wrong so regularly, it's just you realizing :)
Yes, it was an unspeakable tragedy no doubt, but the Navy made numerous efforts to contact the airliner. All they had to do was respond.
@@kansasjayhawk8386 refused to apologize by saying it was necessary action took by the navy and awarded the medals after the tour. plus billion dollars techs, but still cant figured it out the plane actually ascending not descending, and you blamed them for not responding radio transmission. put the situation in reverse, how would you think US will respond? after all they love wars so much.
So it was the US Navy's fault that flt 655 didn't and or wouldn't respond? Are you lame minded or just ignorant?
imagine being the family of one of those 290 who died and hearing abt how the people who killed your loved ones being awarded medals and praise. absolutely disgusting.
Killing Iranian civilians over Iranian waters no less. Maybe the Americans are so worried about terrorism because they are projecting.
@@informitas0117 How about Iran shooting down a plane that had taken off from their own airport in Tehran? Yikes.
@@dperin00011 At least Iran didn't offer a medal to the missile operator and actually he is in jail!
@@aminabbaszadeh1066 you sure about that...did you check and see. Don't believe everything everybody tells you.
If US military and all its personnel were properly held responsible for all their actions they would be number ones in the world in execution numbers.
the nerve of the US to say it was just a self-defense when they are way outside their territories
and attacking a passenger plane that was in international territory. No wonder the Middle East love (sic) the US
They learn from Israel
They lock up there own citizens for self defense
When it's the others, it's a crime, When it's you, it's a mistake.
You are spot on
When it’s the others, they’re terrorists. when it’s you, it’s national defense. The American govt is a textbook terrorist organization. Which does not represent the wishes of Americans. From a USMC vet.
Not really. USA doesn't purposely attack airlines or ships 😂 maybe blame Iran.@@bovinityleak2066
@@bovinityleak2066not really. USA doesn't Target ships or airliners is Iran's fault for not diverting that plane away from the engagement area plus Iran started the engagement 😂. You terrorist and your thinking. Always the victim huh
@@bovinityleak2066fr
Serving in the US NAVY myself for 13 years and being aboard a nuclear class submarine, without a doubt this captain was looking for someone to fire upon. We've had so many discussions about it and I've never met any sailor who agrees with the captains actions. He intentionally went within 3 miles of shore, he was told multiple times it was a civi airliner. Of course the navy found him innocent, in there eyes 120+ future enemies were killed
There's many factors
But over all, I agree
That captain was warned
But in reality he had a life or death situation
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No one will really truly know what went on in the heads of both crews
Especially the iranian aircrafts crew, we will never know
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Criticize me if you so choose
And
If your still in the navy, good luck and fair seas
I would disagree that the captain was looking for someone to fire upon as A.) He was already in a naval battle.
B.) He had 10 warnings sent out,
and C.) He waited until THE VERY LAST MINUTE to shoot. No one looking for someone to shoot waits until the last minute, if he was he'd had fired off the missiles as soon as he possibly could.
I hope these stupid sailors got punished! What a disgrace to humanity and to the US military they were.
@@Reaperdeathpunch he was the one who put an AEGIS cruiser in a battle with gunboats right off the coast. He was looking for something to shoot.
He had other ships in his tactical control more than appropriate for the situation, something which has been pointed out by multiple commanders.
@@Reaperdeathpunch "I could have shot earlier but I didn't" is the same excuse criminals use when they walk around with a firearm looking for people to shoot "in self defence"
I understand the captain’s decision, but I feel like giving the medals is just disrespectful to the victim’s families.
the real reason is not that. the USA wanted to test iran , will they retaliate while they are at war against sadam hussein and his Westerns Allies ( donald romsfeld).
Medal for what ? That is so disrespectful.
@@nasrulfirdaus140 medal for stopping possible terrorism
(Atleast according to USA military)
@@nasrulfirdaus140 for performing a satanic sacrifice
Is 9 miles is a very large distance to find out if an aircraft is military or civilian/commercial using binoculars from the USN ship?
I had no idea this happened. I live in Texas... it's messed up and my heart goes out to those lost and their families.
I'm from Texas, too. I didn't know about this until I became an adult and researched more about the Cold War, US-Persian relations, and why they chant, "Death to America."
Originally, it was puzzlingly how Iranians were so opposed to US foreign policy in the Middle East, but also opposed to terrorism, ISIS, al Qaeda, and Wahhabism extremist, but not American citizens.
I believe this attack was unintentional, and I'm glad the US government finally compensated the families of the victims. I only wish that since the "War on Terror" has essentially ended, the US media and educational system would explain the details of US involvement in the Middle East, Persia, and the creation of the Afghan Mujahedeen.
I'm definitely not supportive of the Iranian regime, but I believe you can definitely be a US patriotic, while holding American politicians accountable for international actions done on behalf of the American people.
You have no idea because you are in Texas
@@omarmahfouz5599 It's not Texas. It wasn't widely covered in media or even books. In history lessons, it's included in topics related to Iran-Iraq War.
The CIA operations in the Middle East, and the shootdown of Iran Air 655 are more widely known now because of CZcams.
There may have been a documentary about it on the History Channel, but it's not as well known as the Soviet shootdown of Korean Air 007.
@@ritemolawbks8012 I did not mean Texas specifically per se, I was referring to living in the US in general. The US media is a very powerful and intricate propaganda machine, and countless atrocities commited by the US / or US backed regimes receive 0 mainstream media coverage.
@@omarmahfouz5599 Yes. The US is no different to Russia or China
Giving a medal for the captain is unacceptable 😢
Agreed. Real pathetic. And the crew on that ship have nothing to be proud of.
@@metalstorm45yes they do
@@TamirChezi of what?
@@metalstorm45 of being terrorists.
@@TamirChezi have a brain check, clown.
Giving them medals is just a big slap in the face to all the victims families.
Vietnam war in a Nutshell , North Vietnam General decline a Nobel Peace because He dont Wanna Take a Medal that His enemy once bomb His Land have(America)
Giving them medals shows the true intent to shoot down that Iranian airliner!
@@johnchow8372 ye
Thanks for letting them know
@@johnchow8372 I share your analysis. The treatment of the officers in charge says everything you need to know about the rule of law in the USA.
This story is tragically heartbreaking. Initially I was empathizing with the difficult choice the captain faced. However, the commercial airliner was ascending, not descending. And as it turns out the US Navy ship was in Iranian waters and the flight was in an international airway. It’s no wonder the people seem to hate us around the world, these guys ended up getting a medal, while hundreds of innocent people died. I am disgusted, we need to completely change our foreign policy around the world. Utilize our own energy resources here at home, have a strong powerful military here, but no more undeclared wars around the world. It does far more harm than good
If you want influence in the world you need to first demonstrate power. The US gets involved with so many international issues because if it didn't, countries like China or Russia would dominate and undermine the US influence in the world.
Just look at China, economically enslaving countries so they can gain control and influence over them
Russia testing NATO currently while it prepares to take back Ukraine, its all power plays
As crappy as some decisions by America has been, the reality is other countries will just overstep unless reality checked.
@@Jockuptown I disagree, I feel our presence all over the world does more harm than good. The UN and NATO are incompetent and corrupt, that needs to be fixed so that they can do their job at a high level. We should not be policing the world, especially when we are currently in a $7 trillion budget deficit
@@Jockuptown you are not demonstrating power. I agree that capitalism is better than communism but the way the US is trying to force this ideology on other countries is a farce. For example if you choose to overthrow a dictator, (Hussein) who you funded the prior 15 years so he could have a war against a contradicting ideology (Iran) , you can't just turn away and leave the country to itself. That's no responsibility at all...
And the worst is the cover-up. I understand human error and tragic mistakes. But I cannot understand not owning up to it. Blaming the Iranians and then rewarding the officers involved made it worse. And they clearly made many mistakes, going into Iranian waters and getting themselves in the path of the airliner. Reading descending when it was clearly ascending, etc, etc.
@@Matt-dd3cw The US doesn't have to police the world and if it doesnt it will simply lose its super power status and likely push on completely fine for some time.
However other countries will take advantage of the US doing that, and may potentially wield a stronger empire than the US, so the battle may be brought to your front door step.
I never understood what happened at that time despite watching the news and reading the newspaper. Glad I watched this documentary 35 years later. Thank you Wonder.
thank you for your support because I'm an Iranian it means a lot to me
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You 100% have my support, this was a horrific “mistake” (I say mistake only because that’s what it’s called here). The rewards given out afterwards, the medals. Well they are not respected and instead of bringing honor to the men who received them, they serve as a visual reminder of the dishonor those men displayed and what a disgrace the US Government can be at times.
thank you
Amir kojae?
Qatar hasti?
My condolences to the people who lost their lives on that tragic day. As an American I felt ashamed and disgusted for shooting down that plane due to the incompetent individual. The captain and his crew deserves jail time not a medal and this is a good example of abusing their power. I’m for humanity and not for nationality.
Clearly the clown who said the plane was descending when it was ascending should have been charged
No one was charged as it was an intentional operation, read more about how CIA works to destabilise other countries for their own gain and to capture natural resources of other countries. You won't believe after reading about their working style and the kind of military and non-military operations they have done to cause murders of innocent people for personal gains.
Yes, he should have been punished, but the system was poorly designed to show ascending and declining altitudes of aircraft. If you are going to build a computer interface where the utmost importance is the altitude and delta (change of) altitude in aircraft, the Navy built their interface to obfuscate both in the 80s, making such errors all but easy to make.
in fact, the flawed system they used to identify aircraft and the flaws in their computer interfaces, it is a wonder that the US Navy didn't shoot down other civilian aircraft on a yearly basis.
@@abhinavsrivastava8615 This has absolutely nothing to do with someone saying an aircraft is descending while it is clearly not.
@Jorge Tara Well if the guy could not perform under the kind of pressure military personnel has to deal with, then he should not have been in uniform.
@@martinc.720 it kinda does, considering the atrocity's they actively plan and and execute daily why would anyone think for a second that they would charge someone for making a mistake out of fear?? they are obviously just fine with killing whoever whenever without a care in the world!!!
All that technology and the US Navy has no way to contact directly a civilian commercial airliner! Wow!
U know what im sayin.problem is n that worrys me is that its so high tech that they knew..
U need to think harder :)
Did you even watch the first 2 mins of this? Or did you just see the title and decide to comment..
They had 7 mins and made numerous efforts to make contact before being forced to make a fatal decision.
@@z2xtra783 ikr how is the navy supposed to know the frequency
“we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing”
Who TF going to say something to the US Navy? Nobody. Grow up. We run sh*t and everyone makes mistakes.
Unbelievable, unacceptable. And the fact the program makes them look like innocent heroes...
R.I.P all passenger's and crew of Iran air flight 655 and my deep condolences to the families and loved ones of the passenger's and crew.
The plural of passenger is passengers. Chill with the apostrophes.
@@nickmotsarsky4382 I seriously don't understand why people do this, why they add apostophes to words ending with an s
@@nickmotsarsky4382 u know what he meant. Stop crying now.
@@florjanbrudar692 because English is not their native language.
@@nickmotsarsky4382 ur focusing on the wrong things.
The guy that made the call, saying "descending at high speed" is DEFINITELY "RESPONSIBLE" for this tragedy, he made a wrong call, a FALSE CALL that gave all the others the impression an F-14 was fast approaching and they were gonna be under attack!
Why do you call this obvious war crime a simple tragedy?
@@abuseofmainstreammediacanh5713 WHERE on my comment does it say "SIMPLE" tragedy!?!? Read it again!!!
@@bosabarbosa1795 why do you use capital letters so much? You know people won't take you seriously right? Look at you like a crazy person
@@stepheng9322 Funny you saying that... my comment has quite a few THUMBS UP reply, and in case YOU do not know what that means, I'll tell you... it means people LIKE my comment, and feel positive about it, YOU are an EXCEPTION! Therefore, what YOU think makes no difference to me whatsoever. If YOU think I am a crazy person, reason enough for YOU NOT to waste my time, and if you do insist on wasting my time, even tho you think I am crazy, that makes YOU the crazy one... think about that😏!
when you’re looking at a military radar display, tracking an incoming plane it’s not that difficult to make such a mistake especially in the heat of battle while your ship is already being attacked by Iranian gunships. I was A HAWK missile operator from 94 to 00 and I don’t recall in procedures where we would recheck a report of descending altitude
The Iranians knew they were conducting military operations in the area they should’ve kept all of their civilian traffic clear of the fighting. The Iranians have a very bad track record of such things. in case you forgot or did not hear they The Iranian shot down a civilian airliner that is just taking off from their own airport Last year. Killing some 200 civilians. So apparently the Iranians have not updated their procedures for their military rules of engagement
This is shameful. My condolences to the families, and may all the passengers RIP. Medals for this? Inexcusable.
They didn't deserve medals, instead they deserve prison time 😢
@@faridaaminy9734 They don't deserve prison time, they failed to respond to multiple warnings and it was perfectly fine for them to assume it was an iran jet. they DIDNT respond to warnings.
@@itsuserbro They were in Iranian Waters. That is a mistake itself. Then shooting down a Iranian Plane with passengers then feeling proud getting medal for it? They absolutely deserves prison time
@@itsuserbro lol you're not well in the head buddy 😂 America is pathetic
@@itsuserbro wrong. Their instrumentation couldn’t identify the jet and it was the Captains decision. Stop defending him w/o valid reason
this was pure negligence especially to the guy who said the plane was descending instead of ascending. May the victims RIP
It was on Iran's part for starting the engagement and not diverting the plane from an engagement area
Getting awarded a medal is such a harsh slap in the face to the families of the victims.
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Even IF Captain Rogers was justified in firing on Flight 655, I think it was very inappropriate for the US Navy to award the medals that they did.
You're right..Showed disregard for the lives lost
I agree. I believe the captain was very justified in all the actions taken. But none of it seems worthy of medals.
Absolutely! It’s so distasteful and zero disregard to the innocent lives lost and their families.
But this clown was not justified. He is a disgrace to the Navy and to the US.
A cruiser under threat from gunboats. What a joke. He wanted action
Blaming the airline or the country of origin for putting a passenger airliner into the path of destruction screams that they pushed the blame somewhere else other than where it really was. The fact they got medals is embarrassing. I wish they’d said what changes were made in the aftermath so they would NEVER misidentify an airliner again.
doubt they changed anything.. the captain definitely wanted a fight and he picked one with civilians
Iranians never forget, the main reason for Iran's military progress is to prevent such incidents from happening again. We experienced being weak and yelling and ignoring cruelty. From Iran 🇮🇷
It’s extremely amusing that no one in the comments is bringing up Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 (which Iran shot down) as if Iran hasn’t done this as well. Typical “U.S. is the worst country, U.S. is evil, U.S. haters, and only the U.S. would do this” people.
Inexcusable. The fact that a F-14 fighter flies over 1400km/h(880mph) while the Airbus A300 was flying at 655km/h(330mph), should be quite the obvious indicator. 33 years later and no justice and mostly forgotten
@Reid James Lots of sea lawyers here.
@@antiglobaljoel532 Yes, I think Takumi needs to stick with his video games.
@Reid James not true yet you came out with amazingly fake facts. The A300 max flight speed was 330 mph, so where did you get over 500 mph from baffles me.
The 1998 Cavalese cable car crash has also been forgotten by most.
That crew, who said that the plane was descending needs to fired, he panicked and made the wrong reading, that ultimately sealed the fate of the innocent people in that plane.
Fired? This happened so very long ago lol
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Give him promotional offer or human right activist to middle east or to China. This the game
Should have been jailed for life
They’re all talking how good and sophisticated battleship they had
they’re all talking this was a state award starship at sea and so on and on and they couldn’t made a different between passenger jet and F 14 or mig 29 fighter jet just doesn’t make sense
Medal for such a cowardly act? Shame on you!
We live in such a beautiful planet but a ugly world!
My heart goes out to all the innocent victims😢 RIP.
Cowardly? You obviously never served. And have absolutely no idea what it's like. If anyone is a coward it's you.
This could of been avoided if that guy didn’t falsely report that the plane was descending. He should have been punished for that mistake.
As an American, this is a disgrace that they received medals after this tragedy. Instead of being given an award, they should be put behind bars and serve time for this incident. It’s even more shameful that they couldn’t admit their mistakes or give a formal and sincere apology. R.I.P to the people that lost their lives that day, and to the families that lost their loved ones, I’m so sorry for your losses, this is something that shouldn’t of happened and I’m not proud of the decision that my countries Navy carried out that day.
This Scenario fulfillment lead to a destructive loss .... something to learn from this incident
Thanks man. At least as an American citizen you recognize it was the Navy's mistake, I appreciate it.
Their mistakes were terrible for someone who call themselves the best military in the world but I can somehow make peace that mistakes do happen, everyone is human and not perfect but what's pissing me off more and is unforgivable is that, as you say, their audacity to not admit their mistake, show remorse and apologize.
Iranian intelligence took their revenge on PanAm flight over Lockerbie. so they're even. except Libyans who paid the price for something they had nothing to do with.
Sadly oil seems more valuable than human lives.
@@Amen.ahmed1 how can anyone be “even”? People died.
there is no justice in this world. how come the guy who reported "descending" while the plane was actually ascending not held responsible?! n a heroes welcome for killing 290 civilians?!
isaiah 5:20
They didn't give medals for killing 290 civilians they gave it just because they completed their duty from the warzone
@@arsalaanali6483 that's exactly what an evil devil would say after killing innocent people mission complete
@@arsalaanali6483 they went to help people and ended up killing 290 innocent people. Actual war wouldn't have killed these many people
That goes to show how evil Dem be
No commercial flights should ever be alerted and shot down like this, horrendous and sickening how they acted. Pure evil and God will answer the people behind the incident. My condolence to the family of loat ones on Iran air that day ❤🌷🙏
How this was not deemed a war crime due to negligence is just gutting... To think these countries have nuclear weapons and can't read their own tech is just terrifying
It's not a warcrimes as long as it's American
@@huausiji8w it's not even the first and only time the US killed civilians by accident, even the ones on their side
@@fidan2fasthiroshima and nagasaki included
Wow, can’t imagine about that soldier who had told his ups that the plane is descending where in reality its just maintaining its speed to ascend. No story about him? No penalty? No jail time? How ironic and un humane.
Bruh they were in a warzone and they weren't responding. I dont care if its asecnding or descending. LIke they said that other ship was shot by missiles. That plane deserved to be shot down.
@@ohh2752 u didn’t finished the documentation, the report said, the commercial plane didn’t and will never hear the distress call of the navy ship because the navy ship though they are equipped with sophisticated machines, the radio signals that they are using at that moment cannot reach the commercial plane because they are using a military frequency, only combat military planes and non commercial plane can hear on the spot they’re warning voice. The com air didnt have that radio because they are designed as a commercial plane, even Airbus don’t have that radio, the us navy investigating team also said and admitted it. The us navy broadcasted 3 warnings but it doesn’t indicate to whom that warning is because the us navy said that they are broadcasting a ground speed not an air speed and the speed is much faster than what the com air is flying… so the captain of com air will ignore that of course because they’re indicating the warning for something that is in the ground not in the air. That is the report of the officials of the u.s navy itself.
@@ohh2752 in short, it is on the hands of the u.s navy ship to investigate first before firing. Unfortunately, on that moment, they lack some of it.
@@angprobinsyanongtambay5142 they transmitted 3 warnings on the civil air distress frequency, but did not transmit the squawk code
@@dew9103 @37:31will answer what u had said about that 3warnings… the com air transmits squawk code all trough out its flight but the us navy didn't require they’re radio operators to used that code when talking to civilian airline…
This was tough to watch. Especially the reports of the aircraft descending when it was still climbing. Hero’s welcome is pure bs…RIP to those on that flight.
Yeah... The peak of hypocrisy.
@Rosscoeginncoe Lake Havasu & Orange County and here goes Rosscoe etc trying to tell me what I know about….FOH!!
@Rosscoeginncoe Lake Havasu & Orange County you know nothing about me!!!! And you’re WRONG!!!! Yet you speak so matter of fact that it shows your ignorance.
@Rosscoeginncoe Lake Havasu & Orange County I believe you ignore the fact that they were looking for trouble. They disobeyed the order to send only the helicopter. But they turned toward north and entered Iranian territory. They put themselves in a situation for that critical decision.
As an airline pilot flying over persian golf everyday and receiving many warning by different air defense radars including US navy ships, I ask this question...what the hell are you doing here??? Your country is more than 14000kms away and you ask me to change my course in air corridor or identify myself because you like to stay there??? You entered the territory of another country and under a major air corridor and think everyone should obey your orders??? What if it was an US airliner shutdown by another country's missile in US territory???
300 people lost their life and thousands of people lost their family members including babies, children and women and that's your conclusion of the video and situation? I think being a privileged person or nation because of the powerful army and being a superpower gives you the right to justify what ever mistakes you do. I really want to know if your family were in a flight which was shutdown according the same scenario, what would be your opinion. Stop acting as the police of the world mind your own business. World is a safer place without all these superpowers claiming they are protecting freedom and democracy. Just look what US did in Afghanistan or Iraq or Syria. Smae as Russians and all other players. Who pays the price???
@Rosscoeginncoe Lake Havasu & Orange County yes ignorant!!! You lack knowledge and still wanna question me?? Now let’s place a wager so I can make you look foolish
To quote an often-used line from a similar series, Seconds from Disaster:
"Disasters don't just happen. They're part of a chain of critical events."
Given the VERY LIMITED information that can fit into a 50-minute documentary, I can understand how this happened AND am sad that it did.
This reminds me a lot of the episode about Avianca 052. Both cases had serious defects in communication that contributed to tragedy. But unlike in the Avianca case, most of the communication issues in this situation seem to have happened on the ground (well, water):
-- the badly designed interface that led the officer to hook the wrong plane
-- the unclear timetable of commercial flights
-- the limited ability of the Vincennes to communicate with civilian aircraft, which strikes me as odd because it seems like the ship could reasonably expect to need to communicate with civilian pilots at some point
-- the disproportionately small number of attempts to use the one civilian frequency that the Vincennes *could* access
-- the misleading speeds cited in the warning messages
-- the omission of any requirement for the communications officers to use the unique code in communications
-- the total reliance on people's reports without double-checking on the available displays
-- and most of all, the report that the plane was descending instead of ascending
I don’t buy the “unclear timetable of commercial flights”. I’m just a plain civilian with some curiosity about aviation and even I know clearly departure times are given in local time of the airport where the plane is departing. No matter where in the world you are, the system will show local time AT THE AIRPORT, not where you are located.
I agree.. I don’t care what anyone says at the end of the day. This was an accident… America gained nothing from doing this on purpose and let’s be real after seeing Israel now the US does have morals. If there was any ill intent, they would’ve destroyed all those gunboats happily, but like you said, it was literally a chain of events like everything in life. Tragic there are 1 million things that happen to bring you to that moment. Gods will.
Something that always will stick with me is the many comparsions to media coverage of this event and with other shoot-downs of civilian aircraft such as KAL-007.
Iran Flight 655 - "Why it happened"
KAL 007 - "MURDER IN THE AIR"
"The aircraft was warned".. no, it wasn't. Civilian aircraft are not required to monitor military or emergency frequencies. The US is famous for friendly fire and blue on blue, sadly.
37:48 Commercial pilots listened to and ignored 3 warnings on their civilian radio. Warned that a plane on their exact heading was in serious trouble. Never occurred to them to enquire because their airspeed didn't match.
@@maxmackinlay618 yeah, that’s an ASSUMPTION. They might not have been monitoring that frequency, because why would you assume a gunship would shoot at you randomly..?
the problem is americans see themselves as the good guys so anything they do they will justify no matter how bad. You can't reason with them. Their military could drop 2 or more nukes on civilians and they would justify it. Not only would they justify it, they would tell other countries they aren't allowed to have nukes even though US is only one who used them on civilians.
@@maxmackinlay618 Actually you cannot say they "listened to and ignored" the 3 warnings on the International Air Distress channel, as it was a short 20 minutes flight and were in constant communication with 2 different air traffic control towers. Flight 655 only had two dual-channel radio's and we know they had to be tuned to the two different towers and ground control, so it is very likely they were not tuned and listening to the IAD channel during their short flight.
The challenge was also poorly worded and contained incorrect information that even if they did hear it would lead them to assume it was addressed to someone else, for example, they were not an "unknown hostile f-14".
Rogers also ignored one of his own CIC Officers who correctly identified Flight 655 as a civilian airliner, as did the USS Sides. Rogers own Aegis Combat System recorded it as having the correct IFF Squawk in Mode 3 that Civilian aircraft used and showed Flight 655 ascending into a known air corridor used by commercial airliners, and tracked its airspeed at a much lower 300 knots than a fighter on an attack vector.
Never mind Rogers also broke maritime law by having his vessel inside Iranian territorial waters when he launched those missiles. They had tracked Flight 655 from its take-off at Bander Airport until the shoot down. Rogers had confirmation bias and was trigger happy. He went looking for a fight and made sure he got one and 290 innocent people paid the price. Instead of giving him a medal he should have been inside a stockade.
yup! trigger happy USA military… and police!
I was a teen in Iran and I still remember a part of an innocent small girl and her doll were floating on the water shown on the news that day; it was so heartbreaking and I still remember that scene! 😞
As an American, I am so... *SO* sorry for what these people did to your brethren on that day. Their actions, and the actions of our Government to reward them for it.... absolutely shameful.
I am sincerely apologetic for much of what my Country has done to other Countries. May you forever find joy and peace in your life my dear sibling.
Love to you and to the Iranian people ❤️
@@FastNCurious88
The majority of Iranian love Americans, we don't blame Americans, this is between governments, unfortunately, most Iranian blame Jimmy Carter and his European fellows for supporting Khomeini and for putting his back to our King “Shah of Iran” and Iranians, after 79 our country became in regime captivity until now, the government of United state of America started to introduce us as anti-America and terrorist to the world, This disaster was brought to the people of Iran by Jimmy Carter and his allies, they provoked and encouraged Saddam to start a war with Iran by supporting him, arm him with all weapons and bombs, chemical rockets, ..., 8 years war, sanction on Iran, plus pressure by the regime on its people inside...
But we know this is not from the good nation of America; that is from politicians and people who control the world, oil and guns!
Many thanks, dear for your compassion and kind words. you are a beautiful human being, God bless you. Peace and love
❤️🌹🙏🌺🇺🇸🇮🇷✌️
@@FastNCurious88 ❤🙏
That will never go away. I am sorry that you saw something like that at a young age.
I am so sorry you had to go through that. My heart breaks for all murdered, yes murdered, souls on that plane. Their families and friends too.
This should have never happened. Much less getting awards for doing so. They should be in prison for the rest of their lives.
I cannot explain nor can I defend so many things my Country does.
My deepest apologies,
A heartbroken US citizen
I hope that enough changes were made from this loss that something like this can’t happen again. There needs to be some kind of way to ensure this kind of thing doesn’t happen.
Stop flying over/ through contested area's.
The sailor was looking at the plane ascending and yet yelling out it was descending. He wasn't confused, he was lying. They wanted to shoot it down.
Nah mate, he was shitscared and what he thought was gonna happen is what he assumed he saw. The problem is that there was no double check by another sailor and the fact that ppl in charge just trusted what they have been told without verifying the information
Wtf? The Vincennes has no business 4 miles into Iranian territorial waters. They go into Iranian territory and shoot down an Iranian civilian aircraft, and later say that *flight 655* had crossed *their* path? The *Vincennes* had crossed *Iranian* territory.
Yes but why did they cross ?
Because they were shot at...
@@mich8411 And why were they shot at? The helicopter went too close to the boats. Its mission was to find what those people were up to. Not to go too close to them, spook and provoke them to attack.
@@srivathsan8421 No the helicopter went there because...those boats were harassing another ships, so they also harassed the helicopter just that they harassed the wrong helicopter, the helicopter didn't go close it was targeted as they were already targeting other boats
@@mich8411 🤔🤔🤔🤔hmmm...
@@mich8411 The warship was completely capable of recognizing commercial airplane from missile or fighter planes, this video is a poor effort in washing the blood stained hands of off those responsible for this tragedy by using drama and cinematography instead of real world facts... By omitting some and adding some... Not telling the whole truth is just a lie, but to add insult to injury of the victims and their survivors show the real spirit of the evil... American interventionism and imperialism is to blame and not just the navy captain or crew... Nor the speedboats roaming their territorial water or the Iran air captain who was not in military conflict zone, on usual route to Dubai... to put it simply for any liberated soul who seeks the truth and wants further study; American politics were salty that they lost a resourceful country like Iran to a revolution by people and not even Saddam Hussain supported by BOTH Eastern and Western powers cant take it down. It was aimed to take down Iranian determination by psychological warfare... To ease the Iranian to surrender... Just like Japanese nuclear blasts...
25 minutes of “they did everything they could” followed by 25 minutes of “but they did all that wrong”. This was a well put together documentary.
Must have to protect the good guy, protector, liberator image.
yeah they didn't just take the US official report as gospel and did look at other perspectives that
They said he was looking for action, but he wasn't supposed to be in the flight path of that passager plane.
So him and his right hand man get off th hook, and retire as for the victim's families have to remember their loved ones that died in the Persian gulf.
Everyday
Seriously medals for killing innocent ppl with missiles.Hypocricy at its best
This is one of those ‘I didn’t punch him, he fell into my clenched fist’ situations
lol
Not really: It's: I punched him because I felt the enemy was approaching me and I was in imminent danger of being attacked but he was actually just coming at me to pass me by.
@@crand20033 did u even watch? the provoked then chased gunboats 4km into iranian teritorial waters, at that point the usa ship was being illegal invaders, the bored trigger happy cowboy caotain then with his mental crew say that plane was descending when all records from both sides show it was clearly ascending, basically full on terrorism act
@@MostIntelligentMan The Iranian boats came across the line and provoked the American ships first. Then they thought they were safe going back into their own territory. What do you expect the Americans to do? Not retaliate? Not teach them a lesson? The blame must go to the instigator.
@@crand20033 Iirc review of ATC towers and ship files show that the plane never speeded up or dropped altitude and was cruising at cruise speed at cruise altitude. Just trigger happy US garbage soldiers.
A hero’s welcome and medals? That’s ice cold
"They received a heroes welcome" wow 🤬🤬
Why didnt they send a F16? Or a Hellacopter ? 😮😢
My biggest question here is that did not a single person on board with access to the sky have binoculars? Commercial jets are EASILY visually distinguishable from any military fighter due to their swept wing design. Did nobody even TRY!? Like at that distance, the plane is within visual distance at 10 miles.
I’m pretty sure that at the time there may have been some passenger planes converted into military aircraft.
@@louisvillenashvillerailroa5269 They were concerned about F-14 Tomcats. There isn't a single commercial plane on earth with a similar profile
@@louisvillenashvillerailroa5269 Are you joking? How can you convert an Boing into a fighter jet lol
@@dantevale0 it was an airbus but your point stands
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Having served in the US Navy myself, this is an absolutely heartbreaking. Discovery. Why aren’t sailors told of this issue? Since bootcamp We’re always being reminded of USS Forrestall and USS Cole all through our service years so as to not repeat the mistakes. Why haven’t we heard about this one? And the fact that they all received awards afterwards? It’s despicable
Maybe you're too young. I knew all about the Vincennes and the Stark.
I mean the awards were for saving the billion dollar ship during their deployment not for killing civilians (that goes unmentioned as it was swept under the rug for political reasons) had this been the modern USN they would court martial the CO XO and CMC into oblivion (look at the BHR witchhunt or the crash of the USS Fitzgerald in 2017)
Thanks for your service. It's amazing this mistake wasn't made part of the curriculum for all new classes.
Because all defence forces want doers not thinkers their not aloud to have a suggestion, voice an opinion or ask a question. I'm sure there were naval personnel in that command center that would been thinking the same thing squawk the code call the Iranian flight tower to confirm it and lots of other things they could have done this is no different than getting into a argument with a guy in a bar then sneaking up behind him and king hitting him killing him the only difference is the guy that through the punch doesn't work for the government is not protected by the government and will not get any medals for killing an innocent person. If this can happen on this ship what about a nuclear sub mistaking firing off a nuclear missile
@@michaelmappin4425 I served from 2007-2014. So this definitely should’ve been made mandatory study imo. Im very familiar with the stark as well. But this is new to me
As cinic as possible. This ship is next to the shores of Iran in war with Irak, even if this civil aircraft were an Iranian F14 (sold by US), why the ship determines to atack? This ship is not defending the US! but oil and based in speculation shot! Shame, criminals.
A state-of-the-art billion-dollar warship equipped with multiple advanced technologies and weapons could not figure out the time difference. How ironic.
The state-of-the-trash billion-dollar warship HAD NO WORKING RADIO to talk to a simple civilian airplane.
Even then the jet could have been taken over by terrorist
They've come a long way in the past 40 years, don't worry.
My phone which only costs 100$ can figure out the time difference .
@@noahyuen7245 this is 35+ years later though
The fact that these men were given medals after what they did is baffling. Horrible!!
LMAO, should've responded to those calls, there was like 5 of them. This was all the Iranian pilots fault lol
@@peterjonston5905 >"should've responded to those calls, there was like 5 of them. "
A Cruiser captain believing it was a fighter jet, used military frequency trying to squawk a civilian airline that has frequency set to Civilian Frequency. That's not even definition of incompetence, that's just outright moronic. It also shows you that you heard the dialogue and narration, but your ear is so full of wax that you didn't listen and interpret the information correctly. Yes, Your precious Aegis Cruiser captain tried to contact the plane 7 times... ON MILITARY RADIO FREQUENCY TOWARDS AIRLINE PILOT WITH CIVILIAN RADIO FREQUENCY.
You american are dumber and more self-projecting than i imagined, you cowards will try to place blame on anyone but yourself. Despicable vile creature.
It’s not baffling. Our military is trash.
killers having orgy.
@@peterjonston5905 the US ship told them the ground speed of the aircraft (which was different from the data that the airliner received) so the Iranian airliner didn’t think that the us ship was talking to them
Tragic , but the ongoing threats at the time in that region were difficult.
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Iran Air Flight 655
This was incredibly frustrating to watch considering Mayday episodes are almost always completely focused on the air crash victims. Even the episode on the flight downed by the Soviets focused on the air crash victims, with the Soviets only being brought in during investigation discussion. It feels deeply disrespectful to center the narrative around the perpetrators of the crash while almost entirely ignoring the passengers and crew's final moments, as is standard.
I understand your frustration, but if we tried to address every aspect of this tragedy, the movie would be 18 hours long and no one would watch it at all. I do hope someone has done the video that you describe. The passengers and crew deserve to be remembered, by name, individually. War is so senseless. Evil is everywhere, but I don't think anyone involved was evil. They were just the actors doing as they were told. The truly evil ones are the ones who demand control and power. They do this at any cost to us. They never pay a price. They never sit before a military tribunal, risking prison.
@@FelonyVideos I think what he is trying to show is hypocrisy at play here
i understand your point, but as an american, i am glad mayday is highlighting the disgusting mistake by our horrible military that caused this awful, senseless, unforgivable tragedy. so many probably believe the american point of view of this story, and it's so important that the truth is made clear, and laid out like they did in this show, so everyone can see that there was no true way that this was an accident.
Do I need to point out that this is not mayday air disaster channel?
@@heathermcnally7686 i mean if they completely ignored military's point of view then a very villainous view of the military would have been in the minds of the viewer. Just saying.
Speechless. I was left numb... so sad. RIP all flight crew and passengers on Iran Air 655.
Honestly if I accidentally shot down an innocent plane, airliner or not, I would take off my hat
It is utterly crazy that the Vincennes was not equipped with civilian radio, with which they could easily have contacted Bandar Abbas to reach and identify the airliner and have it change course.
That thing was so fishy, I really wish I could believe the accidental scenario that was given by the crew and us navy report. The actual facts, the violation of territorial waters in direct line of the commercial flight path, the constant misinterpretation of the targets information, the disregard for the correct information plus the commendations given by the navy to officers responsible, makes me think this is no innocent accident at all.
Why was the man who mistakenly told that the aeroplane was diving not even punished in court martial??
Fun fact. He was probably rewarded with a medal for acting with valor.
bc its the US
@@lorenapacora1526 so the court marshal was just a namesake..
Well to be fair the captain is always responsible in these kind of situations. The blame should be on the captain and his neglection to double check the information.
Is 9 miles is a very large distance to find out if an aircraft is military or civilian using binoculars from the USN ship?
As an American I am so sorry to those that lost loved ones that day. To the US Navy I am ashamed of you for awarding these sailors as heroes who killed innocent civilians when that ship should never have been there to begin with. That Captain disobeyed a direct order.
It takes guts to write down what you just wrote bro you are a good and decent human being
It's a shame that our politicians made us look like we are terrorists.I asked an American what did he think about Iranians and he said, terrorists. That's just pure shame on our politicians.
They are heroes
Respect 👊🏻
@@toyotaandlexussupercharged6699 Would you have said the same if it was an Iranian warship that shot down an American Airlines plane with your family and friends on it? I mean not only American troops are heroes. Would you be as supportive if it was the other way around? Would you have called the Iranian navy heroes?
I remember this. Why didn’t the Iranian P3 tell their commercial plane to steer clear of that area. I could see how the US ship was ready to fire. They thought the P3 was testing them.
😳 You have to be freaking kidding me. Your comment and many other comments, try to use terrible excuses like this to blame anyone or anything else except those who are truly responsible.
When the US Navy men say "They were scared their lives were at risk" Does anyone seriously believe them?
The mockery part is that , he was given a medals for job well done 😭
I mean in USA, police officers killing innocent people get paid leave
Very shocking indeed
That's the US for ya. 🤣
Officers often receive medals after major screwups--I suppose so they don't feel bad and have something shiny to put on their chest. ( Sometimes enlisted as well.)
@@greymann ooh really , but at least that part shouldn't have been posted.
Apparently someone else had a score to settle with Captain Rogers. Nine months after the shootdown of 655, his wife Sharon was waiting at a red light in the family's minivan in San Diego when a pipe bomb planted on the vehicle exploded. The minivan immediately burst into flames, but Sharon managed to escape uninjured and nobody was hurt. The bomber's identity has never been found, and as of 2003 it remains an unsolved case.
I'm sure she was descending well driving . My guess I was the victim s family.
Wow, I have never heard this info. Jebus, that's horrible and thank God she was not killed. Did the US ever pay reparations for these hundreds of deaths? So much technology and it and crew screwed up big time. RIP good people of Iran.
@@gloppy101 money can't bring people back.
@@salmansadozai5500 no, but they still should have paid reparations. And done more. Such a frustrating tragedy.
They had one job and couldn't do it...let's hope they get someone in that family
As an American, I think the USA is responsible for all lives lost. I do realize that they did I not realize that it was just a passenger jet, but still, they were the ones who shot it down.
292 lives were taken by this incident shame on the navy the army Is supposed to protect all not take lives of innocent humans😢
@@Greg_Twistedwizardproso true.
@@Dre160YT the worst part they got prizes for doing it
Thats just a HUGE oversight not being able to detect commercial aircrafts.
Just a terrible mistake
The audacity to give them hero status is beyond me.
Perhaps I would feel some empathy for the person who made this decision if he had shown some remorse. Personally, I don't think I could live with myself knowing I was responsible for the loss of 316 innocent lives, but the captain not only lived on, but also sat there finding justification for his actions and looking like what he did was right. The plane did not show any sign of being a threat and it was an Iranian plane flying through Iranian air space. US militarry ships should not have been there in the first place. What a horrible turn of events. The captain should have been suspended at the very least, but instead he got a medal and for what?
The funny thing is Iranian f14s are not carrying any air to ground missile or something like that and f14s are only used for air-to-air combat !
even if there was an f14 there was no threat for us navy
@@iiaf5356 the crew was briefed that there were AGM-equipped tomcats in the area.
I totally agree. Even though they should've been punished either way to make it clear such mistakes were not to be tolerated, I might be more understanding if it weren't for the way he and the higher ups acted like just because his intentions were proper, this means the actions were as well.
Edit: okay I wrote this before I finished watching the episode and I just finished and now I feel a lot less empathy hearing about how they acted before even running into the plane
@@kquinnvandevelde1384 They were the aggressors and these crimes are rarely done by mistake.
Then they come up with lies and hide critical evidence that would expose their true bad intentions and crimes abroad.
@@sepehr.javaheri yeah, that's why I added my edit to the end. I wrote my original comment before finishing the episode and while it wasn't something to be forgiven necessarily, it seemed at first like human error that was definitely horrible, but unintentional. Once I finished the episode, I'd completely changed my opinion, but it felt disingenuous to delete my comment.
Complete negligence. The simple act of looking at your screen could have saved 290 lives!
There are two things here, either the captain of the ship did not trust the aircraft captain declaring the plane as civilian went ahead to bring down the plane after discovering what they have done they had to find cover-up or for sure there was communication break down between the aircraft and the ship , but how?
Imagine if it was the other way around, instead of Iranair flight - A us air flight
The documentary would certainly be very differently toned.
yup 1 us plane = bomb a whole nation. And confiscate all oil. Haven't we heard this story before.
Nothing would have happened. Invading Iran is nearly impossible. The country is littered with mountains, even more so than Afghanistan. Maybe some airstrikes, but nothing more. Not our fault Iran doesn't have the same capabilities as us.
Immediate war. but bc the army was from the """"land of the free""" nothing happened
@@soeren72
Don't forget it
Im an iranian. We do not judge american people base on political decisions of the government. We respect american people. And i was so amazed by how honest most of the comments are. This was indeed heart breaking. What made it more heart breaking for us iranians was the medal. No one deserves to die that way.
I am so interested in the Iranian culture, I really want to visit Tehran soon ! Much love from Portugal :)
I am agree with you Sr
What a horrible mistake. Hopefully we can all live in peace one day.
I'm a book
I don't think it was a mistake for some reason they just shut down the plane
and the reason will probably never find out
These guys always come up the """perfect""' explanation
The remote take over of the controls. around 2008 I listened to show where a pilot revealed a hightech chip will be installed in all American passenger jets by manufacturer to land a aircraft. He was concerned it was being done without looking at the possible misuse of such a system. I have not heard this discussed until this documentary which really did a job on this mystery.
In a nutshell, you are telling me the US Navy failed to identify the difference between ascending and descending, ignored that the aircraft was squaking 6760, and gave most of the distress calls on the wrong frequency. When they gave the calls on the right frequency, they were incorrect. So, even after all of this, the crew received hero's welcome, and we're not accountable. They killed 200 inocent people.
US Navy at its best....
Perhaps it's because the plane was from Iran. US relations with Iran have been less than stellar ever since the hostage crisis. I'm starting to think that if one can find an excuse to kill Persians they'd do it.
usa is the centrality of evil in many ways.
@@daktarioskarvannederhosen2568 yes
@@twistedyogert how is it surprising that an Iranian plane was flying over Iran?
Iran shot down a Canadian Ukrainian airplane with 174 civilians on board and they weren't even doing anything wrong unlike this plane which flew near a US ship. The Iranian government said at first they did it in defense cause they thought it was an enemy, they then changed it all up and said they "unintentionally" killed 174 people
The Bitter part of the story is, they shot a civilian jet on its waters claiming to be in over an international waters where the navy was illegally and forcefully operating.
rooooight!!!???!!!! OMFG
This is America , and yet they be asking themselves : WhY We ArE sO hATeD ?
Pretty much. You nailed it!
russia also shot down a chinese civilian airline killing 100s as well
@@draco2xx so you are justified things with this basterds
5:21 shoutout to the sound crew for using the keystroke sounds followed by the buzzer sound from the atari 400/800 computers
"interesting" how Korean Air 007 and Malaysia Air 17 are seen as crimes by the brass but Iran Air 655 is just an "accident". Incompetence, negligence, and (lets face it prejudice on the navy's part) can only go so far before its a crime. a war crime is a war crime regardless of side.
It is extremely disturbing to see that this whole "critical threatening situation" was completely made up in their own, tunnel vision, military minds, including decision data such as "aircraft descending" information. The equipment may have been state of the art but the personnel interpreting it imagined a threat that wasn't there. They said they warned the aircraft several times when they didn't even transmit the warnings in the proper frequency, they didn't even think that there could be the possibility that the civilian crew never heard them and simply "checked the box" of appropriate warnings performed.
They not only got away with murder, they got a pat on their backs.
Very repulsive.
you hit it exactly when you said military minds. that's the main problem. Any other captain of 'said thing', had he been responsible, would have felt guilty, changed his name, and moved far away to live a quiet life. these guys rationalize friendly fire as part of the job
40:43
If so disturbing,then don't see
It’s so easy to judge from the comfort of your home
You did watch the video right? Where they warned the aircraft to the best of their ability and didn't get a response? It's easy to Monday morning quarterback until your body is in the firing line and in a full on battle. That crew did their jobs and it's Iran to blame for creating this situation. Focus the blame where it belongs.
I really want to hug the pilots brother. I feel so bad for everyone but he struck a chord on my heart strings.
Why don't you move other there and give him a hug? After all, the whole world is peace loving, isn't it?
@@jayd6098 with people who have your attitude clearly not! I’m glad I’m not heartless like you!
@@facepalmsmom5512 It is people like us that keep people like you alive. World is not a hunky dory hugging place but the survival of fittest which weak people like you certainly won't last a day without people like us.
@@jayd6098 so because I want to hug someone that makes me weak?! Lmao! You have no clue what I have been through in my life and how much my family and I have survived! So do me a favour and go back to the bridge you crawled out from under! Bye!!
@@facepalmsmom5512 Good job. He is heartless. He think because of him you live lol. He is a what?
This is American's version of the event. They always play down the event to an unfortunate miscommunication
How narcissistic of the US navy to say that Iran should share the responsibility when in fact it was the Vincents that came in to IRANIAN waters and to the path of the Aircraft looking for a action and ended up shooting down the aircraft. That is forgetting that fact they “misread” the altitude and speed in the last moments which their whole responsibility. I just don’t understand 💀
May all the souls of Iran air flight 655 rest in peace.🙏
They are dead
🙏 amen brother
Well its all american navy fault
But they made mistake
Well, they are resting in pieces.
omg I remember this. This CLEARLY showed errors by members of the ship's crew. One didn't know how to operate his station properly to track the correct plane!?!?!? Another didn't know how to read the difference between a descending and ascending plane? Stress is no reason. This is their JOB and it is a job of life and death. There is no excuse. Anyone incapable of handling the stress should never have been allowed to pass psychological testing. And finally, the person didn't double check instruments and instead just trusted the word of one person. What the hell.
HOW IS THAT ACCEPTABLE BY THE MILITARY!?
Unfortunately when you go through the recruiter, MEPS, basic, AIT/A-school, then to your duty station, nowhere in that path do they check your mental stability or do a psychological evaluation on you. I was in the Army and I’m not sure if the Navy ever did it the same way, but as long as you passed at a certain percentage of whatever they were training you on, they’d let you graduate. If you got too many no-go’s, you’d have to restart training. This ship probably got a bunch of pisswads that barely passed A-school and/or any subsequent training they were given which contributed to them messing up this badly. They probably also didn’t do any pre-deployment readiness drills either to make sure they were on the up and up. This is why on this day, all of them were acting like dumb butts. Unfortunately, they’re not admitting they made a mistake and given the fact that the Navy at that time incorrectly given them medals and wrongly cleared them of wrongdoing, these guys are too arrogant to admit that they screwed up. They probably know deep inside they did, but I think to cope with killing all of them people for no reason, they’re not going to accept it. That would’ve drove them crazy if they did.
If the Calley and his fellow perpetrators could get away with murder in My Lai then why should the shooting down of Iranian civilian airline not be acceptable to the US military
25:48 yes, this plane was headed in that direction, but it was not levelled off and it was continuing to climb in altitude, meaning that they were not having to attack scene, and I can’t believe US military got away with killing this many people they literally had an option to look into it when a plane is climbing, it is not actively attacking something. They cannot shoot missiles wilder acclimate to altitude.
Captain Will Rogers made NO mistake!
With the information given, the history of Iran, and the burden of responsibility, there was little choice.
Imagine a fighter jet flying with commercial air liners velocity, sitting duck for a battleship. Professionalism at its best.
It can fly like a comm air velocity to attack the targets….Isn’t it??
Commercial airliners can fly transsonic. So can military aircraft. Do you know how fast airplanes fly? And nobody uses battleships anymore anyways. And if they did it wouldn't be that ships responsibility to engage air targets unless nobody else could.
@@kkloikok commercial aircraft don’t fly at supersonic speeds
Im iranian. I feel so bad for people who were just trying to fly to a destination die. they don't deserve it.
Right and in their own airspace !!!!! I WILL NEVER understand this and I AM SORRY
Us navy should have been held accountable and punished for this act
@@hassanrehman230 exactly
@@hassanrehman230 Not really, unless they manage to attack maybe multiple high priority Chinese civilian aircraft in "Chinese" airspace, which could spark a war in the South China sea, and the initial ship that engages might be too close to escape and gets sunk by retaliation. Ultimately Chinese navy can easily be defeated after sustaining a couple thousand casualties, but then at least the initial engagement would probably see the individuals who fired the first shot lose their lives.
Iran shot down a Canadian Ukrainian airplane with 174 civilians on board and they weren't even doing anything wrong unlike this plane which flew near a US ship. The Iranian government said at first they did it in defense cause they thought it was an enemy, they then changed it all up and said they "unintentionally" killed 174 people
People forget that a year before this incident, the American boat had been attacked by the Iranian fighters. Once bitten twice shy. In any event the Iranian flight did not respond when inquired upon. The question is - was it reasonable to use maximum force in the circumstances. Was an attack reasonably possible after considering all the factors. It's not like the US navy shot at the plane before taking steps to inquire on the plane
in a world where technology grows ever more sophisticated, fear the most basic of human instinct can create the greatest tragedies
The troubling thing is, not only the US never apologized about this horrible mistake, they even gave the guys behind the shooting medals when they returned!
I thought Regan apologized for it a year later. Then the US paid a large amount of reparations to the victims' families.
Apologize? Who cares about a apology? Did Iran apologize for kidnapping our diplomats?
@@kuwaitisnotadeployment1373 Well if you don't apologize to someone they won't apologize to you. Treat others like how you want them to treat you. Iran forgot that important life lesson. I am not saying shooting down a civilian airliner is a good thing, but point still stands.
But the US did pay $400,000 'voluntarily' to the victims families. As far as I know, no Navy officer was punished for the horrific failure.
Also The CVR and FDR. They never recover the flight recorders
The US shoot down a passenger aircraft because it came too near its warship and yet they don't show any remorse Or apologise for what happened. Wow.
There will always be civilian casualties and collateral damage in a war, but your right, they should have done more to apologize
Well they paid off the families of the victims. Its telling how this story gets spread like wildfire, but the much more recent incident where Iran shot down it's own passenger airline a couple years ago was forgotten about before the body parts were even scraped off of the ground.
Because that aircraft didn't response to radio
@@princejhie32 because the US navy is so incompetent that could not send the right message on the right radio frequency, the black box of the plane it's the proof of it
Oh the US did aknowledged in 1996 before the International Court of Justice that is was a ‘great human tragedy’ and offered their ‘deepest symphaties’. In that agreement, the US was not to hold legally accountable for the shooting of the commercial plane in exchange for 61,8 million dollar in compensation on a ‘volunteering’ basis. (213,103 dollar and 44 cents per victim)
I had a moment of thinking before finishing this video.... That the crew figured there was a section 8 consideration... And if they felt the non response of aircraft was indication enough that it was a hostile... And basically lied that it was descending in attack mode... Possibly they were assuming it was going higher to make a dive but directly over who knows... That in part maybe a very clear probablity rather than extrapolated version syndrome possible scenario. Stated
Trying to contact a com plane 7 times by military signal is stupid. They should know it won't have it. Secondly not identifying it on civilian channels by what it is pinging as the only form of identification is moronic.
Thirdly why didn't they contact the airport tower to confirm what had taken off.
Fourth and most importantly.
They were in Iranian waters. Heli fired upon.
So that tells us why that f14 was on the runway preparing for take off.
How do they as a full navy crew not know they are out of international waters.
Just a bunch of trigger happy cowboys.
We often point the fingers at other countries for not taking accountability for their actions but unfortunately we are no better. Hypocrisy runs everywhere.
The regime in Iran deliberately let the civilian airplane fly over the war zone, where the revolutionary guards were simultaneosly attacking US ships.
@@bf1769 So that is the justification from you for taking down the lives of 290 innocent people. The commercial airline was on its own route, was not descending as far as I understand didn't make any mistakes. whereas the U.S ship was in others territory, reached while looking for some action, got engaged in the combat because it didn't follow its superiors command and ultimately took down the commercial aircraft.
@@nabinshrestha3388 I reject the inhumane actions of the regime in Iran, which attacked a US ship, while letting a civilian airplane fly over the same area. They deliberately tried to get those civilians killed for propaganda purposes.
The regime occupying Iran also shot another airplane in January 2020 killing mostly Iranian people.
@Nunyobizness Nunyobizness Iran's navy was not involved. It was the IRGC terrorist organization.
Actually, the US admitted that a US Navy ship did shoot down the plane. Since the Iranian aircraft was operating in violation of international law, they invited the risk.