The Current State of Age of Empires IV...
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
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In my experience, which I now take as a general rule of thumb:
The people who go on forums will generally be negative because the ones who enjoy the game are too busy playing.
Busy playing and watching beasty and Turin play when I’m at appointments haha
Game is good tho just need more civs.
I wouldn’t have known any of this, I’m just a casual but I’m having a great time, in my lane, flourishing. Looking forward to the new season tomorrow.
@@marvin8291because I’m commenting on what I’ve seen him say so far.
Duh.
@@marvin8291 It really isn't.
The first few minutes present the issue at hand, minuteman101x didn't know those issues were boiling up on the forums (and neither did I). Thus his comment is valid.
@@marvin8291 Relax dude. I don't think any laws were broken.
As someone who has about 100 hours and has played only 3 games against real players. i only play skirmish against AI or nomad with AI. and i’m excited for the next patch and i would say i’m definitely enjoying AOE4
I've like 50 hours and played around 40-50 ranked games atleast
would you ever try playing against real players more often next update?
100 hours your new to aoe 4 then i only play custom games and since mega random and nomad came out i only do that now, about 1500hours and still enjoy it cause i still suck and am slow but i have fun but i do agree we need new civs or something... i only play french but that is cause i love stone i want stone
@@reggiexp69 Omg same here :"D Are you me?
This game made me love it most of the part because of playing vs A.I same as you. When I decided to play vs real players, game is just not as beautiful as the first time I played it
Me and my friends play AOE4 3 to 4 times a week mainly against each other 2v2 , 3v3 or against the AI. We all love it! Still going strong. So much still to discover after over 400hrs in. Although i would love some a couple of new civs soon.
yeah. I think - apart from all the important things for the pros and the joes as well; everyone would love some new civs. I would really pay 20 euro (or more?) every year for 1 or 2 new civs. it would be nice if they could give us at least some sort of schedule or little hints so that the community can speculate. some leaks like those for apple products or for a new star wars movie haha.
Negativity isn’t a problem only in gaming communities, it’s humanity in general. I hope the AI that replaces us will be better.
Completely agree on the forums - stay away from those. And Reddit. People have nothing better to do than whine all the time.
This is the first time I’ve ever heard anyone else mention this. Forums are for the biggest salty, friendless losers out there.
Stay off the forums, when you stop enjoying go play something else for a bit, and just stay off Reddit all together
And from social media in general
AOE4 needs 1 new Civ every 6 months up to a maximum of 20 civs (it’s currently at 10). Each new civ release will attract players from other RTS’s, especially AOE2 players who finally get to see their favorite civ represented.
Agree that at this point, the base game is super solid and just needs more civs, creativity and further updates for the old civs (like theyre actually doing in this patch!) Players will come with content
Ye I think 2 a year is better monetarily for like dlcs and stuff but ultimately that’s the same amount
I feel like the biggest problem with AoE4 and the superiority of AoE2 is and stays within the solo content and the especially the campaigns. And adding more civs without good quality scenarios will not help me go to AoE4, except on the rare moments I want to play multiplayer. Which happens once or twice per year for me. But significant portion of the player base in AoE2 never did a single multiplayer match ever.
@@marcbuisson2463I totally agree and frankly any game can have a much longer legacy if they implement offline bot battles with match customization, and even better if there's a map/scenario editor. AoE2 has all the above. Does AoE4 have a scenario editor?
I think im finally going to give it a go with the sale! Thanks for supporting the community!
Honestly, the self-feeding cycle of negativity that you find in online forums is found all over the internet and I think it has a lot to do with what’s “wrong” in todays world.
Weird aspect of human nature. I think it might be an evolutionary trait that trades off happiness for progress. Complaining leads to change. So our evolution has favored a trait that causes us to be overly negative and causes us to desire for things to be better rather than overly positive and content.
Beasty, I incredibly appreciate your outlook on AoE4 and any other game. Love your vibe, I'm happy to have found your channel when AoE4 came out, will be following you no matter what your interest are.
You're absolutely correct. I don't use reddit much, but have started to browse through it at night time, came accross the AOE4 subreddit and was surprised how much hate it's getting.
And because there was a few crashes in the tournament suddenly the 'game is broken' and certain redditors blame the game for their bad PC's.
Saw you pop up on the reddit post when someone said you was quitting XD
Reddit is cancer tho. Only very fews subs are really useful on that website
the problem is, people prefer to write down bad things in forums, malding and stuff way more than mention the good things, so yes, reddits, forums and such are places for negative things. Also people like to increase numbers of these negative things with unspecified comments like "everyone abusing this" and "nothing works" or "all are quitting" because the want to get their opinion noticed... Mainly they want to get help by others to solve the problems they have but some are not even able to take that help, feeling offended when you trying to help them...
overall its people are odd sometimes
Honestly, I think one of the reasons people are so desperate for the game (or any skill based game) to by "dying" is some form of validation for being bad at it. In their minds it goes "I suck at this game but its a dying/dead game and that means it sucks, so I suck at a game that sucks, so I don't care that I suck" They so desperately want the game to die so they can validate themselves for being bad at it.
dude making up whole fanfiction arcs in his copium lmao
100% it's just terrible players jerking eachothers delusions off on almost any competitive games forums
I think you are onto something. But I would change your proposition to something like:
" I am bad at the game, because the game is dying, therefore there are no new players and only tryhards remain. " So this is the validation about dying game.
I love AOE4. I plan to play it for years to come! It's a really a great game! More content is very exciting to wonder about like new civs for sure. But so far I've been playing it since January and I'm playing it more than my PS5 games XD
I've never been on a forum and fucking love my goof ass 4v4 games with my homies. SEASON 5 LET'S GO!!!
Enjoying the game a lot, certainly wayyy more balanced than at release. Still waiting for an Eastern Roman civ though….
You must be pretty happy right now haha.
Back when I was on the sc2 grind, it was very sad to see all the sc2 is dead banter. It makes you just wanna say “can we all just enjoy this great game”. The game is still not dead. People who love the game will still keep playing it for a long time. Just because the game is not at its peak popularity, doesn’t mean its dead.
*_"Stop it, get some help!"_* - Beastyqt the video :D
there's indeed a decrease in the player base on stream, about 1,000 players less which is significant. It has happened before though, and I personally believe the game is in a pretty good state. It's a great RTS title
Twitch has done a good job of driving streamers away lately, so taking that as a metric is really not relaible. I, amongst others are starting to stream on different platforms, since twitch is upsetting a lot of people rn
And those who left may not come back. There are lot of options to switch to these days😅
the game is in a pretty good state ? lol he lose a lot of players months after months...
Still more players than this time a year ago
I feel the match time has been consistent though -- an indirect indication of player base count. When player base dips, you notice it in all indicators -- not just one but not another. Maybe there is something about Twitch?
Doom Bee Tsu Sah
the main issue with AOE4 is that it isn't AOE2 which simply is a timeless and way better game. If they had tried to just make it its own game we wouldnt have these conversations.
I can explain you the CIV issue. I enjoy Malians and Ottomans. I also want a biking berzerk and Japanese Samurai to play. I don't give a fuck about other civs, I want these!!
And something from Latin America.
Thank you Beasty! You're a hero! We all needed to hear this :)
Negativity is poison and if you subscribe to it you will not be better for it.
Every part of life avoid negativity
I don't care. I will always love this game. Fuck it, if i enjoy the game i still play
GET OFF THE FORUMS
Main reason I want more civs is for role play reasons. I want to battle ottomans as the Byzantines.
Its like avoiding the question when asked about: is the game dying? You evade it by answering to a miconception of what dying is. Of course you can measure if a game is dying by a tendency in over lets say 3 years of player activity. And if theres a recline, you call it out. The game is probably dying, but i would say that the community is just small. And people will stay no matter what.
I swear there isnt a single multiplayer game that I havent heard people say that its dying
I think it's great the forums let beasty know he was taking a break. How else would he have known.
I'm enjoying a game. I do some googling and I find out that I'm impossibly behind because I missed launched. Or that I will never be competitive because I can't swipe the credit card enough or I missed out on some exclusive one time invite only in game event that gave rewards I'll never be able to get. Makes me instantly want to quit the game when I feel like I'm wasting my time.
AoE4 should have gone dark with the other subs. Not because of any political reasoning, but I’m sure the chaos of Reddit looking dead af didn’t help the energy on the AoE4 subreddit
I actually just started playing aoe4 and i'm loving it! i still have a lot to learn but i'm enjoying the game and the content around it. And what Beasty said it true. Every game is dying all the fucking time
I think one other variable to consider is the fact that Reddit has a voluntary blackout at the moment, which means that a lot of the people who are responsible and levelheaded and consider themselves and stronger members of the community, may not be present for a lot of these conversations. So normally something like this might not receive a lot of attention, but because there are a lot of people missing, these posts are getting more traction. Essentially the community is different right now.
not sure, but seems like a valid point
Not really reddit has always been a nesthole
Stormgate is not even out and people in forums are MALDING about the game and that the Unreal 5 engine is with cell shaded instead of hyper realistic crap.
I know i wont like the gameplay because it seens to have a lot of elements from Warcraft 3 and i hate Warcraft 3 pvp/matches, mostly because of the hero system and how units scale... AND that doesnt mean i'll keep trashing the game on forums or whatever, i'm keeping it to myself.
Not every game is for everyone and taking breaks is nice, i took a long break in CS GO and now i feel i'm ready to go back at it.
My whole friend group just got into AoE 4 a couple months ago. We've been having plenty fun grinding ranked and never visit the subreddit or take part in online discussion. Looking forward to grinding ranked right when season 5 launches. Hoping for new civs at season 6 launch!
I couldn't agree with this more. The vid is a year old but it's still as relevant as ever. I've been in the community for a week and a half and I can't believe the level of dooming...
How nice of you to assume that everyone who doesn't watch streams watch sports. In case you don't realize, playing sports vs playing games requires different things: physical fitness on the former and patience/interest in the latter. Not everyone in their 40's have the time and good physical condition to play sports while kids have all the time in the world not just to play games, but to also watch someone play them. You just outed yourself as someone who hasn't held a ball and never played sports in their entire life.
The only thing I dislike about the game is the Elo system since it doesn’t favor silver to maybe plat players.
In ranked teams I see silver, Diamond and conqueror players when I’m gold 3
I mean I'm a fairly new player so is my buddy we are enjoying it
Does aoe4 not have a resume from replay feature? If not, that's a key feature missing for a competitive game
We will have new stuff tommorow. So any moning could be from tommorow:) but looks like new contect is very good.
Staying off of reddit is good advice in general. Especially so for gaming subreddits.
Gotta love the level headed beastyQT 🙌
bro you are so wise :)love your "non-gaming" content, pretty good :))
M'ladies on the internet doth be protesting too much. Tale as old as time. People also need to stop obsessing over balance or which civ is stronger. Them having dif strengths and weaknesses that you need to learn how to exploit is the whole point and what makes the game so fun. Give us more more civilizations though. If I like one I'll play them, if I don't they are fresh meat for the grinder. The challenge of defeating interesting civs in glorious combat is what makes the game fun. And more civs makes it more historically accurate what's not to like?
I definitely think the game is NOT dying, slowly picking up, but could be better. English payrate is 25%, and the issue is most english players play the same way. Which degrades the feeling of playing the game. People dont want to play vs the same thing so often. You seem to be marginalising the actual effect it has on players.
If you play against the same thing at some point you learn how to counter it right ? And if you learn how to counter it youll go up in Elo ? Im not sure at higher Elo everyone is playing English all the time !
I just got into aoe4 with my brother. Having so much fun and so excited for future updates and civs
coming from AoE2, I really like this game and ultimately i've been getting into the professional scene, really fun.
As someone who didn't and doesn't play much AoE II, AoE IV is my first introduction to these types of games. I'm loyal to this game and will continue to play even if it did "die".
Stupid logic 1: Beasty benefits from the game
Do you know what benefits him most? Much more players spending much more money, so he can earn much more rewards.
Stupid logic 2: it's not good to announce changes (new civs) sooner
And after this statement, you say but roadmap is. What do you think roadmap contains? Exactly that, the new civs. As was with the previous 2. So this argument is just stupid because it's contradicting yourself.
The rest I care not to comment, there 2 were the ones that hurt my eyes and ears mostly.
Game is good it gets constantly better month by month. It's a bit boring but they always improve it little by little. I haven't got that much, I only played 160 hours but I still play like at least 30 minutes every 2 or 3 days because I like the game. I only don't play so much because I work a lot and I've got a family.
Beasty got an point there, Reddit is like a circlejerk about being negativ, its annoying as fuck and most games dont deserve that tho
This is not a joke. My suggested plan is to add a personal lobby / group lobby that is similar to Fortnite one, with the ability to buy awesome historical personalities skins and landmarks / other objects for the background. This will engage players, get new ones, and help fund the tourneys/dev/marketing. Also, some surprise effect is needed at each season start. Monster existence in the new season shouldn't be spoiled from day 0, but instead let the players discover it and be like wth is that.
I am subscribed to Beastyqt, EGCTV, aussiedrongo, lucifron, killerpeagon etc... I enjoy watching tournaments. I gift sub whenever I can. Even if I am away from keyboard, I leave stream running. My small contribution to the community that I want thrive. Skill level between pros and averagee players is insanely large. Beasty will play any civ and kill you with just scouts
I am 45 yo dude and enjoy the game, spent hundred hrs of my spare time on it. I dont read forum coz too toxic. I watch beasty demu and drongo alot, love ur guys work. Keep doing it and let us keep playing aoe4
thanks for screencapping. Hello rts community of 2028, just wanted to say how happy i am for you that youre able to play a 7yo game that still looks fresh and has a supportive core community and ~20 completely unique civs, lots of hilarious fan- as well as dev-made casual modes and tournaments full of super hype large scale medieval battles with great casting.
ps: mlords mum looking better than ever, dont she?
I don't think the game is dying, it's in a better state that it's ever been. But that's the problem. There are so many quality of life features that should have been in the game at launch and still aren't present. Game crashes coupled with NO pausing and NO reconnecting in a game that can take up to an hour to complete a match is enough to make anyone rage.
That was the greatest and the most real rant about negativity on the game forums! That's why I quit reddit
U are right,
Was just hoping if yesterday patch would have fixed the ladder logic when in team play : you are a noobies like bronze-silver mates and game gives you 3 golds with 1 platinum.
PS then developers say: OH, u know, we don't like guys who quit the game at start... pff
In the patch notes the developers acknowledged the matchmaking problem and said they're looking at methods to improve it. But it won't be easy, coz the fundamental issue is that there's just too few games going on, like during peak hours there are like 120 ranked 4v4 happening each hour. for the entire ladder. Off-hours that's 50 games/hour. That's not a whole lot of games to cover the entire ladder and keep queue times low enough.
@@cascade_fury yes I see; just personally I would be ok to wait 1-3 min longer to have closer opponents, than to find quicker the guys which are way too cooler / way too weaker (last option is quite rqre for noob like me :D )
Thank you Beasty! Great video :)
You are right about that negativity that does not contribute anything, although it must be understood that the vast majority of constructive and structured criticism (and some may be valid) are downvoted and lose visibility.
That's why I suggested people that enter the official forum to give their constructive feedback.
Beasty, I'm the guy that created the "Please Stop..." post. What you covered in this video is exactly the message I wanted to convey in my post, but when I posted I never thought you would make a video discussing it. I initially was debating whether I should post it, but now I'm glad I did, since you clearly have a much bigger influence in this community than I do. Thanks for the video!
BTW hope you beat the 80bunti guy in EGC classic :)
They need to update the banner customization settings. "Let the players design their own banners!" Time to NERF the French Knights and make the walls last more longer! The stone walls are so weak and shitty.
I don't think the game's dying I just think it lacks a certain level of excitement that it used to have and player features that would really help the game. I saw Merlin's micro maps and IMO those are way better than the empire war idea. Imperial actually feels special to achieve on those games, like a giant risk. I wish the game could zoom out more like aoe2 but that option isn't available. I wish they would just rework mangudai to not suck against 75% of the unit builds in game or give them a negative damage nerf when attacking villagers. There are so many "Fixes" that either come too late, should've been there since game creation, or overswing and destroy the identity of civs imo. There shouldn't be unit compositions that dominate completely, but there should be identity compositions that should be more powerful than the rest and seemingly half of the civs don't have that at any given time due to the double nerfing they're so fond of. I have a lot of hope for the game but they need to stop micromanaging features and balance for people malding in tourneys and start putting in features or content that'll bring new players and normies into the game. It'll help with all the other existential problems like queue wait times and poor skill matchups that could actually kill the game.
-Not an expert, not a pro, just a guy who loves the game but never goes on ladder because it's a completely game every season. I don't compete in games that change rules every 3 months, and we can call it a personal flaw, but I feel as if I'm not alone here.
AOE 4 averages 7,000 active players and that is basically all multiplayer. And those numbers have been steady for months. That is pretty damn good for a modern RTS. Whiners are not data-driven, let's say.
The most important thing between whining and let's call it "emotional" criticism (so criticism where ppl are usually be "a bit harsh"), is that one has no alternatives or plans or anything similar, while the other one has actual solution ideas and/or arguments for/against something. Ofc that doesn't mean, that every solution is the right or good one, but at least there is something to work with, something you can actually discuss about.
People just need to look at the numbers.
It's not great 'cause it slightly declinds but it's not dead by any mean.
I play league and started playing this game a month or 2 ago kind of on the side and I personally have a lot of fun playing this game and look forward to playing it every night right now. i do think that the game is just behind in quality of life stuff that top multiplayer games have. It’s like a sports car with sweet performance, but has an outdated and cheap feeling interior.
I ask for ingame name to check what they have done and they never gave it.If you have seen something bad about game in order to increase gameplay write it in a polite way in the forums guys
Why do you think people are like this?. Could it be because companies have lied to gamers for years now. I can count at least 15 times over the last few years where companies have claimed, nope nope, everything is fine, we have a plan, a 10 year plan, then cancel everything a few months, sometimes a few weeks later. Shall we start with a few of the obvious and easy ones. Marvels Avengers. Artifact. Anthem.
And while on the topic of toxic. Can we please stop calling people for "gamers" it's degrading and demeaning. Just because someone enjoy video games, doesn't mean that defines their identity and deserves a title.
Nobody hates a game more than the people who play it.
maybe but if you play a lot of very different games then you'll realize that not every community is angry
20:00 Idk if roasting that guy was nesesary he's not saying not to watch others play he gave a pretty neutral opinion then gave an anecdote.. lol
i dont even play the game, but that thumbnail got me good
25:03 "His family tree is definitely not a circle" got me so off guard people came here asking what i was laughting at. Damn
As a person who only plays AoE3 because I like it, and only watches AoE4 because Beastyqt is my favorite streamer, I can say I'm happy with both games.
It's a boring, uninspired game. I've been playing AoE3 since its 2005 launch with breaks here and there, but I still love the game to this game (even more so than AoE2). But this game has so little going for it. It feels like an Early Access or Indie game of within the franchise. The lack of single-player content was the final nail in the coffin.
Even with borderline perfect games such as totk, this happens. I left the Warframe subreddit, LoL, WoW, AoE4, Monster Hunter, Bannerlord, even fucking Skyrim and many more. People will always bitch about stuff and becuase we are easily influenced, we start noticing issues where they previously weren't. Online gaming forums are shit.
Totally agree.
I love this game, and I do not visit the forums, I was shocked when reading that the game was dying (It is not). I believe most of the changes have been positive.
I would like an influx of new interest too, but I do that by playing the game and talking about it, not just complaining that people need to play, but the same people who will go out of their way to dump on the game and say its dying would rather just see it through, so they can move to the next game and eventually say its dying as well. people just like to be miserable. I've had my frustrations, sure (overplayed english, lack of answers to armor in feudal though that's being fixed somewhat, china stupidty, etc ) but overall I have lots of fun.
The best part of reddit is leaving reddit......
Welcome to the internet.
I think another major problem is people (mainly geared toward casual of course) feel like games have to be either a: played nonstop or b: quit. you can like, play a game once in a while when you feel like it and not commit to it. I can play aoe4 twice a month or daily, overwatch, cs, etc. when I drop off of a game or something, it doesn't mean I'm quitting and there may not be a reason outside of "I wanna play something else tonight." but people don't have this logic. its very binary in their minds.
Good post! I'm still having a blast, my brother and I are looking forward to the new season and slowly honing our skills lol
S tier thumbnail
I've only been playing hardest AI n i still enjoy my time lol...but i do watch your competitive games n guides i enjoy those too
AMAZING video. Well said!
Man I fucking love beasty man, he just simply knows what he is talking about and he says it in such a way i laugh my ass off XD
Thanks beastyqt hopefully we will see you for a long time making content in this game, I have been learning a lot from you.
I love this game and I am just gold 3, I understand that All games have room to improve, so don't worried and just enjoy this amazing game because in the end of the day since this game started we have seen a lot of issues fixed.
Honestly some folk are just content junkies that have very short attention spans. The internet culture of this entire generation is addicted to rapid fire content. A warped entitlement to being force fed high quality updates endlessly. Just chill, diversify, be patient, go for a fing walk and live your life.
best video so far, thanks a lot for this. it was much needed
I have 400 hrs in the game, I have a few masteries challenges left to do (second half of chinese and last 3 of Ottomans) and I only completed the English campaign, I'm dissapointed that we didn't get a road map or confirmation of newer civs but I have still another 100 hrs in me even if there was no update this season (I know NOTHING about the new changes other than we are going to get new unique units so that's a lot of extra fun for me), the only reason I became aware of all the dooming in the subreddit is because of the whole ordeal with the Reddit API use prices.
Gaming forums are almost always biased towards negativity by their very nature, it's far more likely that someone who's enjoying the game is actually playing it in their free time than writing posts about how much they enjoy the game, on the other hand, if someone isn't happy with the game (whichever the reason it may be) they will either vent on the forums or just go do something else, in other words, the only metric that doesn't lie is active player number averages.
I just took a look at AOE4 player numbers and while the numbers are at a low point it is also the 3rd or fourth time in those averages and in previous cases it rebounded with new content or seasons, I don't see anything that indicates this game is dying in any way, people are just dooming for dooming sake.
Japanese civ is coming
This can be true for streamers too. I used to watch some wow streamers and found that I didn't like wow after a while. During shadowlands and dragonflight I've ignored outside input (aside from friends) and I've never had a better time.
Late comment, but I wanna share my opinion.
This is for any devs (Aoe of otherwise) to maybe learn from, or ignore. Up to you obviously. Brace yourselves.
When I think about a game to play, a flurry of emotions and visions come to my mind, and make me decide. For reference: games that I loved to play back in the day were: Starcraft 2; World of Warcraft; Warcraft 3; Modern Warfare 2.
The reason I played them is quite simple actually. The words might sound "complicated" if you try to make them complicated, but I think everyone innately understands each and everyone of them.
Starcraft 2: Fairness, Cool diverse poles of playstyles (Zerg spreads a lot, lots of Macro APM; Protoss had slow and strong units and scaled; Terran had weak and tons of units to APM with); and an easy game to just get started on playing.
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Starcraft 2 went to absolute dogshit after Wings of Liberty (yes that early) in Hots where it was only carried because of the previous expansion. Why? Because they removed Fairness, they complicated the playstyles with the clownfiesta of Swarmhosts, Widow mines etc. And made it most certainly NOT a game you can just get started to play. Campaign was good thankfully because you didnt have to deal with the additions to the game lmao. (It was good because it was the least new.)
World of Warcraft: Insanely diverse poles of playstyles, "Fair" ("" because: it was definitely not balanced, BUT it was such a huge game and with so much potential it didn't matter as much, so long as it wasn't ridiculous), And an easy game to get started on playing. Just login and do stuff to get stronger, or explore, or roleplay, or pvp, or respec, or retalent, or do stuff with guild, and friends, make friends etc. Now it's a confusing mess and a way for the devs to farm money from their players.
Warcraft 3: Best game of its time, period. Literally best game made if you think about it (yes I mean it, and I can explain:). An excellent campaign; excellent map making tool that enabled: Tons of free custom games that allowed me to play things that I couldn't in the normal mode. e.g. I could be Naga, I could play Loap (life of a peasant, like a strategy GTA where you can be the police faction, mafia, drug dealers, or just a civilian etc.), Vampirism (tower defense pvp mode that im surprised hasnt become a standalone game yet like League of Legends), and INFINITELY more games. And best of all: You can just get started and play whatever you wanted. Amazing atmosphere. And I don't know if I am missing something, buit whatever you can think of: It had it. (For a strategy game of its time). Very easy to get started on playing.
Modern Warfare 2: Best shooter of its time, and today. Lots of progression. Lots of shooting. Smooth gameplay. Cool things to strive towards. And easy to get playing.
Now let's talk about Age of Empires IV: Fairness is pretty good. Cool diverse poles of playstyles: hahaha. hahahahahahahha. Hi let me teach you some Diamond tier Age of Empires okay? 1. Learn optimal Build order execution. 2. Make villagers until 100+. Mix in some horsemen/knights if you can and kill the enemy's villagers. Make walls so the enemy cannot do the same. This is literally every civ in the game. And the ones that are "different" feel gross and uncool to play. (Nobody wants to play as India man. I'm sorry but, holy cringe.) Mongols: Weird, and uncool units. (legit not one cool unit). So diverseness is pretty lame, and playstyles are all the same. There is some flavour, but it's not enough: and it is certainly not visual or "graspable". You get dopamine rushes when you spread creep in Starcraft. In AoE4, you get nothing when you have 2 Town centers pumping out villagers. You are just stressed about being raided, or managing your units. Still. This isn't really the worst part of Age of Empires. The worst part is actually the fact that it is unbelivably difficult to start playing. The Menu is not smooth at all. Picking a civ is not smooth either. They are all the same visually and goalwise: but with vastly different build orders. And once you start a match, after getting through picking a main (something I legit quit over because it was so gross lmao: You cannot play Rus on certain maps, HRE is really good on certain maps, China is really bad on certain maps, Only French can play Water maps - back in the Hulk days. hahahahahah) you have to click on find a match. Get into a weird lobby with a weird map. If it's a water map you have to vastly change your build order again... (wow new exciting playstyle?? no. Do the civ build order right, then literally in the exact same bloody way no matter the civ + with the exact same bloody units: defeat the enemy on the water, and just win with the economic advantage you get). Literally the most boring gameplays imaginable. Imagine in Starcraft 2 there were maps called, "Space" maps where you had to make, idfk, battle cruisers, vikings, and ravens as each of the races, and just battle it out. That's boring, and we are talking about 3 races. In AoE there is like 7. All the same. Now the visuals and voice acting. This game came out in 2021. Warcraft 3 has better: campaign, voice acting, multiplayer, diversity, custom maps, FUCKING MENU SMOOTHNESS MAN, music, and potential. For all you zoomers, Warcraft 3 came out... in 2002. 19 years of looking at it and studying it: you couldn't make: a better campaign, voice acting, multiplayer, diversity, custom map tools, FUCKING MENU SMOOTHNESS CODING WHAT THE FUCK?????????????????????????????????????????, music, and potential.
And oh my God, I forgot to mention another big thing...The absolute soulessness of the game. I genuinely do not think humans have made this game. What the fuck is Relic for a company? I haven't seen a single person from there. Are there even people working there? Is the company situated in Bangladesh* or something? There is no "Blizzcon" or optimistic gamer people community who are interested in ANYTHING that has to do with Age of Empires present anywhere. There are no easter eggs, there is no emotion in voice acting, no real. Anything. There is just nothing. I can honestly imagine the game being made somewhere in Bangladesh with a bunch of grown up shoemakers being upgraded to video game programmers since they hit the age of 15. What the fck am I looking at? Warcraft 3 is: Nerds making a world of demons, orcs, elves, magic, drama, betrayal, history (fictional), vampires. What the fck is Aoe? "Bro, house of wisdom" And? "Uh. Their units speak arabic." And? "They dont eat pork." AND? "Yea that's all. Oh and Camels." Do their units run extra fast? Do their units pray at certain times of the match for a buff/debuff if they dont? Do their units build buildings faster? Do their units fight better in great numbers? Does their golden age have a battle bonus? Are their houses better or easier to build? Is their win condition literally anything other than: Build workers until 100, while slowing down the enemy villager boom, and not getting your own slowed down by the enemy? No? Just a copy paste of the other races but with some slightly different "bonuses". (Ah yes the bonuses that matter, remember back in the day knights would just have 0 counters? So much fun. Just make 100 knights and kill the enemy's army. Oh my I forgot to mention which civ's knights: Literally any one of them. They are all the same.)
Imagine if the English had a "crusade" buff they could get if they made an army of Man at arms. Slow moving but incredibly deadly blob of units.
Imagine if the French had battalion unique unit combinations that would fight incredibly well when in battalion formation.
Imagine if the Chinese had a higher population cap, instead of the stupid "magic" healing from fighting.
Imagine if there were Persians instead of Indians (who historically did close to nothing except from infighting, and were only relevant when they were Iranians/Persians - they even spoke Persian in the upper castes), and their cities made the vegetation greener and nicer wherever they built, boosting gathering rate and attractive wildlife from time to time.
Imagine if the Germans had much tougher units (Protoss) and far better upgrades, but lacked resource boosts. And so had to rely on playing defensively until their superior "Cross bearer monks" or "Teutonic knights" would cleave and mass heal armies apart lategame infront of great impenetrable walls and castles.
Imagine if the Rus had a way of integrating units from other civs as they tiered up, who would cost cheaper (but were made in random).
Imagine if the Mongol Mangudai actually mattered, and they would get bonuses for migrating their buildings around from time to time (from the start of the match: so eco and production bonus for mongols).
Imagine if Malians and the Ottomans just didn't exist.
ok, If Malians had cheap and super weak units with no armor, but their economy was gigantic (like Zerg) until they got to a point where they could make goldplated warriors who dropped gold when they died that could be harvested by special units to effectively remake the units for free.
If Ottomans could kidnap enemy villagers, as well as **roaming tribes of units around the map, with their horsemen and transform them into janissaries (powerful ranged units that people actually want to have).
I just made up ideas on the fly that would infinitely improve AoE. How have they come so far without doing ANY of this?
*im implying that workers are so mistreated and overworked for so little pay in this country that they are becoming void of what makes us human - creativity, happiness etc.
**Roaming tribes like the little groups of units you could kill in WC3 for levelling purposes.
While your critic towards Age 4 partly sounds really harsh, I overall agree. As an AoE 2 player, I giggle all the time when Age 4 players say their game is so unique bc civs and units are not copy-paste, yet their civs do the same thing all the time whereas in AoE 2, you can also go unusual ways with your civ. It's also funny to me that despite being the older and less played game, AoE 3 manages to somehow feel better than AoE 4. Guess Ensemble really nailed it when they made AoE 1 - 3 and Myth.
AoE 3 especially is an underrated gem which surely has its flaws (f'king snare) but overall has so many cool ideas such as natives on the map you can form alliances with that provide unique bonusses and whatnot
I wish they added some type of clan feature.. or incentive to play with a group on the game... playing with random players makes the game suck because they quit or dont know what to do. This game hasnt reached its peak yet imo
I love your face when you realized you were taking a break
8:23 no bro i realy do play v English like 20 out of 30 games i have similar experiences without reading the forums just playing the game and its boaring as fuck probably not gunna watch the rest of the vid you know the problem we all know the problem... its juat weird to me when pro players and casters ignore blatantly op shit
I would agree with you if you were talking about single player games. But when it comes to online games, you need other players on the game to enjoy it.
Most of the times people who are "negative" about a game does this because they care about the game and want the developers to hear what the players want. It's easier if people learn how to handle the negativity. Because when players don't call out what is wrong with the game and just leave, the players who remain are sooner or later going to be affected. Either the company behind the game will charge for every single thing from those players (like Rockstar is doing with GTA Online) or the online will slowly die and the company will leave the game behind (like Ubisoft does with almost every game).
So, while I get the point you're trying to make, this feedback is the kind of thing that makes games moving forward. Just look at what happened to War Thunder this month
I don't really get the hate. There are also points that sucks in Aoe 2 that Aoe 4 does way better.
For example:
--> Late game is so much better in Aoe 4 than in Aoe 2, because you will run out of gold if you don't have relics. You mostly fight with poor units and sell food and wood to get gold. In Aoe 4 there are so many possibilities to get gold (neutral market, specific civ boni or holy site)
--> Cities are so ugly in Aoe 2. Most people will use normal buildings as walls instead of real walls. Aeo 4 does feel more natural. You now build walls with walls how it is supposed to be.
--> And even though there are still much lesser civs in Aoe 4. They really have a much more unique playstyle and features than the civs in Aoe 2.
--> In Aoe 2 you are stuck in the dark age for too long.
--> You cannot control more than 60 units at once.
--> In Aoe 2 I miss features like building rams with infantary units or positioning archers on stone walls.
--> At least naval is less boring in Aoe 4 than in Aoe 2.
--> The holy sites are a good addition.
--> I also like the fact that there is much lesser micro in Aoe 4 (dodging archers or mangonels). Now stradegy and the countersystem is more important than micro-management.
listening while playing city skylines is nice
Tbh this game is not for amateur. You play game to win in order to have fun but this game need you to spend a lot of time to get a start up. That’s why new players just abandoned the game somehow midway
Let's quit giving a fuck about negativity. Players have been throwing this around after 3 weeks of play, I'm quite new to rts but it's everywhere in rts communities I guess.
Biggest issue is the balance in team games. This is the only reason I might quit someday.