Apollo Phantom V3 Review: Is It Worth The Upgrade?
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2023
- Is the Apollo Phantom V3 e scooter a massive upgrade from the Phantom V2? In this video I'll go over the new features and demonstrate them on a ride so you can see if you think the new Apollo Phantom V3 electric scooter is worth the upgrade or not.
With a new custom Mach 1 controller, LUDO Mode for more power and top speed, variable throttle and thumb throttle regenerative braking, it gives other high end scooters a run for their money when it comes to power, range and comfort!
With a top speed of 41 mph, range of up to 50 miles, and adjustable quad suspension, the Apollo Phantom V3 is not only fast but also one of the most comfortable electric scooters of 2023. Because of its high powered dual motors, it one of the best electric scooters for heavy riders and adults to ride without sacrificing speed or much range!
Watch my detailed review and road test to find out for yourself if the Apollo Phantom V3 is worth the upgrade!
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You are the first one making very clear how the charging time is a letdown, and even that inefficient rear fender got noticed. We appreciate real reviews like this.
Awe thanks so much for the kind words. I try to be as fair and honest as possible. Thanks for watching! 😉
That’s why you get a fast charger. C’mon. Scooters like this need them.
Waaaaaaa. So buy a rapid charger.
Fast charger my friend.
@@dkny9604not good for your battery to continuously use a fast charger
I purchased my Phantom when it first came out. Since then I have the V3 upgrade. I have to say this has been the most fun ever. I purchased mine for around town and when my wife and I RV to get items and come back to the camp site. I use the hook and a backpack. When I'm along or on the road I get looks from people all the time when I'm in 3 or Ludo mode. Love my Phantom!!!
That's awesome! I feel the same way. I have 9 scooters in my garage and my phantom is my #1 choice! Thanks for your comment my friend!
Of all the features, I hope more companies start adopting the regen brake throttle. It's a great idea, solves a lot of issues and adds a lot of safety
It really is awesome! I'm so used to it now when I ride other scooters I forget to brake with the regular brakes haha
its the only thing i use for breaking, i never touched my breaks after getting used to regen breaks.
I have the V2 and really like it for my first scooter. Although, it did take me a bit to get used to how high the deck is off the ground. And I'm 6'3".
Also, the throttle on mine is pretty much off or on and was thinking that it probably shouldn't be that way, but now that I watch your video and see how much you like having control of the throttle, then maybe mine isn't broken. Just kinda sucks for a scooter that is damn near $2,000 (but I got for 500 because dude thought the battery was bad, but was just way out of balance).
So, what I saved buying it the way I did, you've convinced me to spend the extra 400 or so for the upgrade. And it'll still be a bargain 😊
Yeah it's worth it for sure! You will not regret it. Thanks so much for your comment!
8:42 The Voltage read is your current battery status. It will always be around the same number, as Voltage and Amperage will never change much. Your battery pack delivers 52V and 23.4Ah. Over time, the Amperage deliver will fall and give you less amperes per hour.
So, it's not that you have 56.7V left... Cheers
Good review. But enough with the same repetitive intro slide for every feature. It gets exhausting
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Hey do you know what gloves you are using in this video? Nice review btw.
I'm not sure if they sell them anymore but they were from Amazon and the brand was Freetoo.
Wow! That looks like a nice scooter.
It really is!
@@HobartsReviews wait until the Apollo Pro arrives!
@@AustinF516 4k for that pro aint worth it.
I purchased mines 2 days ago waiting for it to come super excited!. So question about charging times, is that 12 hour charging time using the Apollo fast charger? or is it the regular inbox charger.
Awesome! You will love it! The charging time is for the standard charger. It does have 2 ports so you can double slow or fast charge I guess. Also I never get it down past 40 or 50 percent so it doesn't take 12 hours from there BUT it does take the longest out of all of my scooters comparably.
@@HobartsReviews Thanks for the follow up man!. I mostly wanna use it to commute to work which isn't far but got tired of public transportation. Hopefully my charges last a long time.
@@meadinosaur7085 Have you tried using the rapid charger or two slow chargers? I got from 48% to 100% in about 3hrs.
i wished the video had got down more on the charger and charger port.
and i wish Apollo would get focused on the lower cable management
as well as you pointed out, the inadequate rear fender.
What would you like to know on the charging port? I'd be glad to help. You can also email me if you want at hobart@hobartsreviews.com
@@HobartsReviews how protected/durable?
@@HobartsReviews can a more powerful charger work with it?
Is the regen braking using BOTH front & rear motors to slow down/stop? I like to turn my motor-braking on full in my '22 ghost but I'm wearing out brake pads constantly. I'd like to know if I set regen braking to max, that it's going to use both front & back so I don't end up skidding the back wheel all the time.
I can't tell you if it uses both front and back but I would imagine it does. I don't feel a stronger pull from either so I would assume both. I have mine at 4 or 5 and it stops me very quickly. I have not tried 10 because I don't need 10. It would probably throw me over the handlebars ..haha. And as far as brake pads ...I have not used my brakes at all!! I have tried them a few times to make sure they still work but on every day riding I ONLY use the Regen brake. And there is NO skidding with the Regen brake so you should be good. I hope I answered your question. If not let me know.
@@HobartsReviews This is the info I wish Apollo provided, so thank you! I know Apollo will eventually reply to me, but they're in promo mode lately & there are many reviewers who are in "propaganda for free merch" mode. You provided more detail about regen braking in just a few mins, than all of them, combined, yet. Appreciated!
@@HobartsReviews it wont throw you over the handle bars anymore than slamming your disc breaks would. You are overthinking it and should just go for it and try it for yourself. Its not that bad at all, i have mine cranked all the way to max and i never had a sensation of flying over the handle bars
@@sergiolandz6056 Agreed. It's kind of an art really, getting used to them takes a while, but they are powerful! Quite predictable as well. Just not good for emergency stops at high speeds. At speeds like 30kmh and lower, you can stop just as fast as hydraulics could - but smoother. I love the feeling of not wasting brake pads.
Why do I see some people saying Apollo has 2 year warranty so much conflicting information when it comes to Apollo even Apollo themselves say one thing and then you speak to another live agent of theirs and you get completely different information…I really like Apollo but that’s a little ridiculous
If you look at their website, they have a 12-month warranty on the scooter itself. Up until November of 2022 they had something else called the protection plan which was included when you bought a scooter from Apollo. This covered your brake pads, fenders, tires and tubes. You are allowed to get free of charge from Apollo these items for up to 24 months after you purchase your scooter. Of course you couldn't get as many as you wanted as there were limits but they were pretty generous. But the protection plan is no longer valid because they ended it in November of last year. So as of now there's just a 12-month warranty. Hope that clears it up.
can u change the tires with the spiky one bro? what is the size?
What do you mean spikey one? Like off road tires?
@@HobartsReviews spiky/knobby/off road tires...10x4.5 knobby tires would it fit? i think its more cool if i install that kind of tire, what do you think?
My distributor said the warranty was 12 months or 1000 km. Whichever came first. Unfortunately for me with my V1 it was 9 weeks.
9 weeks until it broke?
@@HobartsReviews in the first 12 months, front deck light failed, front suspension fell apart , front brake fell apart, stand broke, display stopped working, charging port failed, and the battery was failing (would only charge to 64 volts and cut out at 56 volts as the bms failed on the battery). All these were after the warranty period expired ( except suspension). So managed to fix them all myself. Have since purchased an Apollo city pro and use as a daily driver. The phantom is now the hobby, I plan to convert battery down to 52 volts so I can add the V3 upgrade kit. Eventually will get the Apollo pro when it arrives down under
Wish they made a new updated controller for the boosted rev scooter
What do you mean?
@@HobartsReviews I mean that company went out of business. It’s an awesome scooter. But it needs a an upgrade.
Did the new controller overheat when you are on ludo mode?
Nope! I have not had any overheating issues at all. I know some say they have but I don't know their riding conditions. I ride in the street between 25 and bursts of 35-40mph. I ride 5-7 miles and stop for a water break usually for 5 minutes or so and get back riding. I have seen in my ride stats that my controller got to 155F at its highest but still did not have any issues. Hope this helps!
@@HobartsReviews Good to know! Just ordered my Phantom 2023
As an owner of a Phantom V3 I absolutely reccommend it. Great performance, reliability and build quality. Charging time is easy to solve it can plug to ports and cut it in half. I also have a Ghost that I purchased 4 years ago, great brand and customer service.
I totally agree! Its my favorite in my collection for sure! Thanks so much for your comment friend!
It can cut to ports!???
You're not clear about it.I know what it means but most people won't 😮.
Does the v2 get an upgrade now that the v3 is out
Yes! Only for 52v though. Check their website.
** UPDATES after 1400kms, inserted below **
I received mine yesterday. You were right about the regen braking. While it takes a while to get used to, it's nice to not have to endure the mess that is braking on the Apollo Ghost. I thought this scooter could benefit from slightly larger tires (~11" would've been good). I'm still in the honeymoon stages (scooter is totally silent, even over bumps) but I know a few bumps from now, it'll start to loosen up.
You were absolutely right about the re-gen brakes - I set mine to 10 & tried a couple of hard stops - it's definitely 2-wheel braking & the tires don't skid.
** UPDATE: I can get the back wheel to skid on gravel/dirt path.**
Couple of points: Apollo owners will have to come to grips with the fact that if it's a sunny day, you're not going to see what's on the display, at least not clearly. It's brighter, but it's not "finally visible".
** With sunglasses, the LED screen is barely visible. I mounted my phone (get a good mount & gorilla glue it or you'll be adjusting it every 15 feet. **
What I find to be a bit of a letdown is the app. That's not to say it's not good, it's just there are so many things that could be adjusted thru the app, but are not:
1. The 3 gear 'modes' - the app allows 3 things to be configured & assigned to a 'mode': Cruise, Roll-Start and Top Speed. You may also configure the Throttle & Re-Gen responsiveness, but your selection can't be applied to a specific Mode!
** UPDATE: This is limited due to the firmware in the LED display (though it seems like it could be resolved with software). You can still use ECO mode, also programmable, to use less battery. Just how much less, though, anyones guess.
2. When the scooter's turned on, there are 4 display modes along the bottom that iterate when you press the 'M' button: Duration, Trip Odo, Odo, Volume, Remain. I would prefer 'remain' (% of scooter battery remaining) to be the default - but you have to tap the M button every time you power up to select 'remain'. Should be a config to default it.
** UPDATE: There is no cure for this, it remains in my routine when starting the scooter **
I have NO idea what 'VOL' means. It's not in Apollo's instructions, nor can I find anything in the app to tell me what it means. It fluctuates, as a percentage of something - perhaps a weight restriction?
** UPDATE: 'Vol' means voltage. It shows the remaining battery voltage (e.g. 58.7 is full).
3. Signal lights! Finally! They self-cancel, but they cancel too quickly. It's something like 5-6 seconds. I would like to be able to increase the timeout.
** UPDATE: this remains annoying. If the signal lights could flash on my phone as well, as the often-invisible LED, it'd be problem solved. But no. App either can't or won't get signal light status, let alone allow you to extend the flashing duration. **
Also:
In the App Settings where you select your units of measurement (metric or imperial) - underneath this is "Auto Ride". Nowhere in the docs or in the app do I see what in HELL this means.
** UPDATE: 'Auto Ride' means to automatically document/store the details of the ride. (GPS, where, when, avg/max/min speed, max/min battery/controller temps, etc). It's poor English but now I know.
Pardon the long post, I'm quite excited about this scooter. I'm counting the seconds until my first flat tire, I'm told. The Apollo City Pro has puncture-proof tires, I wonder why I can't buy them for the Phantom. My Ghost is easier & lighter to ride, but has offroad tires so it's noisy & those brakes, jesus, those brakes!
Wow! What an amazing post my friend! Thank you so much! I appreciate you taking the time to write out your thoughts on the Phantom V3. I totally agree. With you. I'm glad you like that. Regen braking. Like I said in the video, I don't use my regular brakes at all. To the fact that when I ride some of my other scooters, my thumbs are looking for the brakes haha. It's my favorite of my scooters for sure and I ride it all the time. It does get a little bit louder but not much and it's still super smooth for me after 500 miles. I think you're really going to enjoy it my friend and thanks again for your comment and I appreciate you being part of my channel. Feel free to comment anytime!
Phantom should have the puncture proof tires....I would have purchased on. The City pro is good but I want the Phanyom with the puncture proof. Smart if they did it to all.
I just bought mine yesterday, it's on backorder. I've been riding my ghost for a while now and wanted a little bit of an upgrade. That dedicated regen brake really sold me. How are you liking your Phantom compared to the Ghost?
@@HobartsReviews Update on the regen braking: I use it exclusively, only testing the standard brakes occasionally. I replaced the standard disc brakes with hydraulics (Nutt) just so I have that option. The regen is NOT good for high-speed emergency stops, even at the constant level 10 I keep mine on. Lower speeds, it can't be beat. But at high speed (50kmh+), someone pulls out in front of you or opens a car door, you want to grabe the brake handles, hard. Hydraulics are a huge upgrade to braking in every way, but regen remains my only choice in any other scenario, still, 1400kms later.
@NunchucksHabit Regen breaks are not meant to be emergency breaks!!!
At 50km you better keep a safe distance from car doors!!!😅
Common sense 👏.
Does Nanrobot scooters have regen?
Yes but it's totally different than Apollo V3 and new Pro. The regen is like a throttle instead of just in and off with different strengths.
@@HobartsReviews so u activate EBS then it regens battery?
Charging. I have two 4 amp chargers so can charge ( 20.8 Amp hour battery in 60 volt phantom) in 2.5 hours. Normally use one but when necessary can use double fast charging
Steven, that's great! I'm new to Apollo chargers so is there any on Amazon or somewhere other than Apollo where I can get one for cheaper? What connector type am I looking for? I've seen some but wasn't totally sure. Thanks!
@@HobartsReviews Connection is GX 16 ( aviation ) connector. I would stick with the Apollo fast charger ( one is enough), as they are a quality unit and the cheap chargers are a risk. Ultimately the Satiator by Grin technologies as it is programmable . But here in Australia it is around $700 . I normally use the Apollo fast charger and charge to 80% charge daily to extend battery life. For the weekend full charge for maximum range
@@HobartsReviews Definitely stick to OEM chargers when it comes to electric scooters
I've got a fast charger & standard charger from Apollo. I own a '22 Ghost & they said to only use one of the two available ports, never two. I get that the new Phantom (I have the '23 on order, expected in a week or so) & I wonder if you or anyone you've heard of, has plugged a standard charger into one port on the Phantom, and a rapid charger into the other port? I'd like to keep batteries charging fast when I can, but also don't want to burn my apt building down...
@@NunchucksHabit You want to use 2 of the same chargers if you use both ports, don't mix and match.
Greatly made apollos , however the price for these high grade tier models are soo costly tho for the average consumer that wants to commute recreationally. If they lowered the cost they would have a lot more sales and more people buying them .
Yes I totally understand what you are saying. But there are a few scooter brands that are really good quality compared to others and deserve to cost a little more. Apollo is one of them. There are a lot of really crappy expensive scooters out there and again Apollo is NOT one of them in my opinion. Apollo does offer Affirm so you can break it up into payments to make it more affordable.
If you have one on pre-order, watch for the price. I paid $2600 CDN for mine - but while I waited, I noticed the price bounced between $2600 & $2100. I still hadn't received mine & noticed the Phantom price down to $2099 CDN, I contacted them & they immediately issued a price-match partial refund. Was going to sulk about not automatically getting this price match (what if I hadn't been watching?), but they did the price match so quickly, politely & without question that I simply can't complain. $2100 CDN is not a huge investment for what you get. I haven't driven my Subaru more than 100kms since April. Bought one tank of gas in February, it's still 3/4 full. Most of my life can be lived within 50kms of home & < 70km/h. If I could pack my scooter as cargo on a plane, I could save thousands in taxi/car rental/public transit fees every season. As long as there isn't snow or ice on the ground, I'll ride the scooter (heated gloves ftw!) 8 to 9 months of the year. No parking to pay, no storage fees (put it against a wall in your home, put the kickstand down = stored).
The only unplanned expenses I incurred were for tools. I spent about $300 on different tools, another $500 on accessories, battery powered air pump, lights, spare tires/tubes. You need to be able to watch the videos about changing tires/adjusting brakes & be able to do that kind of maintenance yourself. Also good to have a stand you can put the scooter on so you can work on the tires ($130).
You get the point..
They have several other scooters available at much lower price points. This is the top-of-the-line performance scooter... well unless you consider the Apollo Pro, but I consider that a luxury scooter rather than lumping it into the performance scooter category. You might like the Apollo City or Apollo Explore more depending on what your commute looks like. Both of those are significantly less money.
@@NunchucksHabit Wish i would of known about that, i paid mine 2300 + tax
@@sergiolandz6056 it fluctuates in price since it's on pre-order. I lucked out because of the Pro release, I think. It's back up to like $2600 now.
I heard bad things about Apollo’s customer service. Is this true?
Not in my experience. Yeah every company has their issues but Apollo is one of the better ones in my opinion. And the quality is some of the best I've seen. The Phantom is just a dream to ride!
Aerospace aluminum is a marketing term lol
No it's not. I work in aerospace everyday and there are some alloys and specifications used in industrial applications and some used in aerospace applications. So it is a real thing my friend.
I just got V4 and there's no app support
Huh? Why not?
As a personal opinion, you should have clarified that this model is not available anymore with hydraulic brakes...
Yeah I wasn't aware until after I filmed the video. I spoke to Apollo and they said all future models will be mechanical brakes. I tried not to mention or focus on them too much.
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Yep....golf courses .haha. This is the Champion and PGA national
Apollo is a High End Scooter but….. it’s OVER PRICED. I prefer Kukirin G2 Max , G3 Pro and New G4
I agree they are a little expensive.
where is the 60v controller? spring suspension what junk. If your in the market to buy a scooter, do your research get some rebound, adjust suspension, sinewave controllers, and 21700 cells .11inch wheels are just better.
I have rebound and adjustable suspension and a custom designed controller so it's almost there. Looks like you are talking about the new Apollo Pro. ..haha
I understand your point. 52V battery and no hydraulic suspension at this price point is a let down. Also, no hydraulic brakes. They started selling the V3 with both mechanic and hydraulic options, then stopped with the hydraulic, because of maintenance issues (official support agent words), meaning, it was causing leakings and issues, so, nope, back to cheap mechanic.
I'm leaning to a Nami Klima at this point.
I would get a RoadRunner RS5+ but they are all OEMs (Solar, KuKirin, NanRobot) and that worries me...
can you put even more annoying transition music next time?
I'll try...just for you!😉
@@HobartsReviews I was about to say the same, they are way too long... maybe keep the transition slides, but, no music... more fluid... cheers