Dude your insight is invaluable for people who haven't experienced past formats like this. I started playing properly in 2017 and it is so interesting to look back at how the decks were played and the general speed of the game.
At locals, we hosted this format for a while during 2020. Having bought most of the Wind-Up core earlier at locals for just a couple of cents thinking it would be cool as a collection piece, this was naturally my deck of choice. As someone who started playing at the end of 2015, experiencing this format was some of the most fun I ever had with the game. Thank you for this wonderful channel, letting us see all of the decks we were too late to experience first hand, presented in such a professional manner and with amazing expertise.
man i loved windups back in the day. the handloop one was kinda degenerate but the shock lock one was way more fun. by the time shock lock came around i remember a lot more people were playing dragons and it was really hard for windups to beat light pulsar dragons looping darkness metal
Love your channel and the content. 2012 is my favorite year of ygo. It was the year I played full time and was very competitive. I also fell into the trap of Rabbit at the 2012 Nationals. I lost on the bubble to Wind-Ups and I also had a few friends telling me to play Wind-Ups before the event and I stayed with Rabbit because I had played it all format.
@@YGOHistory I do remember the wild story of Mike Steinman last chance qualifying with Rabbit and then making it all the way to Worlds. Idk if that's happened again since.
There are even more layers to that story too. He wanted to use my Rabbit list but already committed to the list he used to LCQ (they force you to use the same deck!)
I enjoyed this format too! I played in every YCS/Nationals and only got hit by the Wind-Up loop turn one two or three times. I felt like I had a lot of control over my fate each event.
Wind-ups are basically my favourite deck of all time since my only YCS tops were both with Wind-Ups (1st time with Loop, 2nd time with Shock Lock) Funny enough though I chose to NOT run any Wind-Up Factory at YCS Toulouse because I felt it wasn't too optimal after you went through the loop and I really hated it being such an easy Inzektor Hornet target. Instead I elected to run 2 copies of Smashing Ground in the main deck which worked out really well against pretty much everything. (Chaos Dragon wasn't popular at that time since Peter Gross only won YCS Toulouse with that deck, so Soul Taker also wasn't more popular than Smashing Ground at that time). Great profile and nice insights actually ;) Keep up the good content! PS: I would love to see a game with T-Hero against Six Samurai in the 2007 Card Trooper format!! ;)
I played this deck in the 2012 nationals. I got top 32 with the deck. It was such a good deck. I had some tech choices in my deck to help in certain match ups.
@@YGOHistory A friend had talked me into trying it leading up to the event. I did a lot of testing. I ended up maining Tour Bus because it lets you get the extra card during the combo. Also, main decked a snowman eater for the dino rabbit match up.
My first top was nawcq 2012 with windups but i lost in t64 to a windup player whos build was focused on the loop with shit like junk forward. Anyways nice video, but no mirror force? That card was really solid by nats in windups because of rabbit/chaos dragons. I rememeber i even mained 2 d prisons at nats because of dragons/rabbit. Though your build is probably much better post nats if the format continued (3 maxx, 1 veiler was like NO ones hand trap lineup by nationals because of the prio change)
i feel Adreus, Keeper of Armageddon is mandatory, since the rest of the rank 3 and 4's cant do anything to a spirit reaper. zenmaioh will be usless if the spirit reaper is face up. and tiras could be outed by dimensional prison protecting the spirit reaper. adreus immediately gets rid of the spirit reaper without having the battle phase to go thru.
I would definitely play the Roach and Adreus (on top of Utopia+Ray and Maestroke) and side the Chimeratech. The odds of you seeing a CyDra + Machine left on board for you game 1 is zero, and you won't have access to your own CyDra anyways. Then I would side out Roach for Chimeratech in matchups where Cydra comes in or Roach is dead, but the card I want way more often in game 1 is Roach.
Of course, the Adreus could be swapped for Pap like mentioned in another comment, but sometimes you also wanna push through a 3000 Grapha and Adreus is the guy for that (plus he gets to be 2900 hehe)
Question, I noticed you didn't have Acid Golem in the Extra, why? Wouldn't it be helpful in grind games to just help close things out? 3000 gets over pretty much everything in this format.
As a wind up player from this time I loved playing pap, not only did it out spirit reaper and help in niche situations but it was also a combo piece. And I’m just wandering why you didn’t play shockmaster
@@dabarker.y7465 I'll have to sit down with the deck again and go through it, but for sure. My play group actually decided to ban hunter for the health of our circle lol
Joe, was it ever explained why a lot of older pros at the time loved foreign yugioh cards? was it because they're cooler or whats the main preferences from yugioh pros at that time?
They look cool. At the end of the day - this is a collectible card game and obtaining a high end English copy is easy if you live in the United States. Trying to find certain foreign cards - either reasonably priced online or in person is just another level of collection. It really depends on each individual person.
The Wind-up turbo deck that got second place was honestly the better choice for nationals. Being able to steal game 1 and put in more stun cards for games 2/3 was way to powerful. unfortunatly the 2nd place nationals champion wasnt as competent as tyler
@@furkanekkiz7611 of u have a good explanation to give me ill really appreciate. So I'm not the only one that's says so, and maybe he will change is mind
@@andreanardi2514 Factory activates after the effect resolves, even if the effect is negated. Boat will summon Magician, and then Factory will trigger to get Shark. The last thing to happen is searching shark, so you can't summon it.
Dude your insight is invaluable for people who haven't experienced past formats like this. I started playing properly in 2017 and it is so interesting to look back at how the decks were played and the general speed of the game.
I love to hear the kind words. There are plenty of more decks to come!
At locals, we hosted this format for a while during 2020. Having bought most of the Wind-Up core earlier at locals for just a couple of cents thinking it would be cool as a collection piece, this was naturally my deck of choice. As someone who started playing at the end of 2015, experiencing this format was some of the most fun I ever had with the game.
Thank you for this wonderful channel, letting us see all of the decks we were too late to experience first hand, presented in such a professional manner and with amazing expertise.
Ah such a throwback to my first regionals. Please do more 2012 decks !!
I plan on doing a few more.
Yo let's gooooooo! This what I've what been waiting for. Thank you!!
Glad to hear it!
Joe talking about my favorite retro format to play. My day is made.
Ayeeee I’m so glad Pak posted something about you, I’m about to binge all your videos :)
Hope you enjoy!
What did pak say?
man i loved windups back in the day. the handloop one was kinda degenerate but the shock lock one was way more fun. by the time shock lock came around i remember a lot more people were playing dragons and it was really hard for windups to beat light pulsar dragons looping darkness metal
Love your channel and the content. 2012 is my favorite year of ygo. It was the year I played full time and was very competitive.
I also fell into the trap of Rabbit at the 2012 Nationals. I lost on the bubble to Wind-Ups and I also had a few friends telling me to play Wind-Ups before the event and I stayed with Rabbit because I had played it all format.
Rabbit still brought people to worlds. It just might not have been the perfect choice.
Glad to hear you're enjoying the channel!
@@YGOHistory I do remember the wild story of Mike Steinman last chance qualifying with Rabbit and then making it all the way to Worlds. Idk if that's happened again since.
There are even more layers to that story too. He wanted to use my Rabbit list but already committed to the list he used to LCQ (they force you to use the same deck!)
@@YGOHistory Such a small world. I had no idea.
@@brodericksmith4588 Richard Yam also got an invite through a last chance qualifier at the 2017 NAWCQ and finished 3rd overall.
I think that Twilight and gladiator beast deserve a video with decklist and gameplay. Btw this can become the best ygo Channel on old format for sure.
I need a LOT of Twilight cards for a proper profile (Higher rarities). GB is on the way.
And I am certainly going to try!
@@YGOHistory how much you paid for a 1st ed DAD?
@@TheGranata10 My three foreign DADs include two unlimited. I got the 1st edition one back in 2008.
Despite some would say, I really enjoyed this format, lots of great memories
I enjoyed this format too! I played in every YCS/Nationals and only got hit by the Wind-Up loop turn one two or three times. I felt like I had a lot of control over my fate each event.
No kidding Keep up the good work good Sir!
Wind-ups are basically my favourite deck of all time since my only YCS tops were both with Wind-Ups (1st time with Loop, 2nd time with Shock Lock)
Funny enough though I chose to NOT run any Wind-Up Factory at YCS Toulouse because I felt it wasn't too optimal after you went through the loop and I really hated it being such an easy Inzektor Hornet target. Instead I elected to run 2 copies of Smashing Ground in the main deck which worked out really well against pretty much everything. (Chaos Dragon wasn't popular at that time since Peter Gross only won YCS Toulouse with that deck, so Soul Taker also wasn't more popular than Smashing Ground at that time).
Great profile and nice insights actually ;)
Keep up the good content!
PS: I would love to see a game with T-Hero against Six Samurai in the 2007 Card Trooper format!! ;)
That is a very reasonable deck choice.
I played this deck in the 2012 nationals. I got top 32 with the deck. It was such a good deck. I had some tech choices in my deck to help in certain match ups.
Great job! I sort of wish I tried this deck out at Nationals too. I only started really playing Wind-Ups past the Shock Master opening.
@@YGOHistory A friend had talked me into trying it leading up to the event. I did a lot of testing. I ended up maining Tour Bus because it lets you get the extra card during the combo. Also, main decked a snowman eater for the dino rabbit match up.
Fond memories. My best friends got 8th and 98th place in that event
Please consider doing one on Chaos Dragons! :)
I always play magician at 3 cuz magi shark is the handloop. I get it was popular to run at 2 but I never really understood that
Yes yes
I loved Wind-Ups! The worst part about playing them, though, was the hostility (or straight up salt) in the air when you hand looped someone.
I mean, it was never fun BUT it isn't like opening Rescue Rabbit (or Future Fusion) was much different.
@@YGOHistory Yeah everything in this format did something pretty annoying.
My first top was nawcq 2012 with windups but i lost in t64 to a windup player whos build was focused on the loop with shit like junk forward. Anyways nice video, but no mirror force? That card was really solid by nats in windups because of rabbit/chaos dragons. I rememeber i even mained 2 d prisons at nats because of dragons/rabbit. Though your build is probably much better post nats if the format continued (3 maxx, 1 veiler was like NO ones hand trap lineup by nationals because of the prio change)
i feel Adreus, Keeper of Armageddon is mandatory, since the rest of the rank 3 and 4's cant do anything to a spirit reaper. zenmaioh will be usless if the spirit reaper is face up. and tiras could be outed by dimensional prison protecting the spirit reaper. adreus immediately gets rid of the spirit reaper without having the battle phase to go thru.
Very, very fair. That card was absolutely played this format.
Though maybe we make room for Photon Pap instead?
pap could also be a replacement. i think that also has synergy with wind ups too so it might even be better
Pap is always one of the first monsters I throw in wind-ups (though I’m not as accomplished a player as joe). I just love its synergy with rat
I would definitely play the Roach and Adreus (on top of Utopia+Ray and Maestroke) and side the Chimeratech. The odds of you seeing a CyDra + Machine left on board for you game 1 is zero, and you won't have access to your own CyDra anyways. Then I would side out Roach for Chimeratech in matchups where Cydra comes in or Roach is dead, but the card I want way more often in game 1 is Roach.
Of course, the Adreus could be swapped for Pap like mentioned in another comment, but sometimes you also wanna push through a 3000 Grapha and Adreus is the guy for that (plus he gets to be 2900 hehe)
All very true. The Chimeratech can easily be sided. That was obviously very common with Cyber Dragon.
Question, I noticed you didn't have Acid Golem in the Extra, why? Wouldn't it be helpful in grind games to just help close things out? 3000 gets over pretty much everything in this format.
That was definitely one I could have included. I think I looked too long at European WCQ lists and failed to realize that.
hey can you explore the Gishki handloop thanks :)
I could do that at some point.
As a wind up player from this time I loved playing pap, not only did it out spirit reaper and help in niche situations but it was also a combo piece. And I’m just wandering why you didn’t play shockmaster
People were not really utilizing Shock Master at the time. I agree - it would have been wild.
We have been playing this format recently and realized that you could have hand looped for 2-3 cards and end with a shockmaster
@@theteamaviatorbrian can you teach me 👀
@@dabarker.y7465 I'll have to sit down with the deck again and go through it, but for sure. My play group actually decided to ban hunter for the health of our circle lol
Joe, was it ever explained why a lot of older pros at the time loved foreign yugioh cards? was it because they're cooler or whats the main preferences from yugioh pros at that time?
They look cool. At the end of the day - this is a collectible card game and obtaining a high end English copy is easy if you live in the United States. Trying to find certain foreign cards - either reasonably priced online or in person is just another level of collection.
It really depends on each individual person.
hated this deck in that format. but then again i played Gravekeepers at that time or i think some hero variant
That might be part of it though Heroes were still pretty good.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt gravekeepers also pretty prevalent at this event?
I wouldn't really say that. After Heavy Storm was unbanned - GK were much more tier 2 (if not lower).
The Wind-up turbo deck that got second place was honestly the better choice for nationals. Being able to steal game 1 and put in more stun cards for games 2/3 was way to powerful. unfortunatly the 2nd place nationals champion wasnt as competent as tyler
Isn't Tour + factory handloop?
no it isnt
@@furkanekkiz7611 Cause one of my friends think it is, and I can't convince him otherwise
@@furkanekkiz7611 of u have a good explanation to give me ill really appreciate. So I'm not the only one that's says so, and maybe he will change is mind
@@andreanardi2514 Factory activates after the effect resolves, even if the effect is negated. Boat will summon Magician, and then Factory will trigger to get Shark. The last thing to happen is searching shark, so you can't summon it.
TGU + Shark works because you skip the searching step
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