Lamellar is actually fantastic for protecting large groups of people on a budget too, because of the fact that if any of the plates are damaged there’s probably an overlapping one underneath, and when the fight is done it’s relatively cheap to replace the plate and restring the whole suit back together.
It may have worn-out faster than most armors, but at least it was significantly easier to repair than a lot of other armor types, it's a lot easier to replace a small metal piece than a breastplate. Theirs a reason you can see armor similar to this from the bronze age through late into the middle ages in things like brigandine.
Yeah and the little plates can be semi mass produced (cutting cost), every wife was able to repair this contrary to normal armor needing a blacksmiths touch, and as you said it was more repairable.
I just got off playing banner-lord and fought the knock off Mongolians got utterly destroyed this just reminded me of how I just lost three whole towns and two castles
I’ve been hating these guys since I started playing M&B Warband 6 years ago. After my Nord run, I chose Rhodoks because I heard they were supposed to be good anti cav units but I gave up halfway through and said, “if you can’t beat them, join them.” They are the absolute worst to fight against
Well, if you are a good at fabric work society like the Mongols, repairing the fabric portion or changing it entirely is not difficult if you are not constantly in combat (which, they were not).
Low durability is not that huge of a problem so long as it holds up through a fight. As you said it is simple to make and can often be made using whatever was available, that means in theory it is not hard to patch the broken piece after a battle when you return to camp and have some pre-prepped patch pieces, the same way somebody would patch a hole in a pair of pants. The ease of production and repairs would help armor a large chunk of an army compared to a smaller chunk of better armored troops if using more expensive methods.
@@guildedcharr7459 I agree that some armor is better than none but I disagee about it needing to last the battle. If it fails mid battle it means mostly the soldier was severly wounded if not killed. Use wood chunks as an example, if a piece has a decent cut or has started to split but stayed on the armor in 1 piece it probaby did the job but needs replacing before the next fight to ensure it is still intact. However if the piece broke all the way through it probably failed and resulted in a serious wound
@steven color Obviously lasting more than one strike is desirable, and its why armour goes the way it does. Early brittle armours acted very similar to modern ceramic plates, the bone, clay or other material would shatter on impact yes, but it would disperse enough of the fotce so that the wearer was not killed.
@@guildedcharr7459 A second hit is unlikely, though not impossible, in the same spot. Accounting for weight it may be acceptable for a single small plate to only be good against a single hit.
The fabric was not a weak point, it allowed for longer longevity of the armour, hence why we have so many of them in archeology. It allowed replacing the worn out defensive parts rather than replacing the entire thing.
Whew that is a really clean set of armor. Imagine making something similar out of a super light metal and woven together with like carbon fiber. Some cool old school sci-fi armor
This is actually where the idea of studded leather came from as the "Studs" are actually from rivets that held the metal plates to the leather. Not technically leather but it is a vary similar concept call brigantine
Brigandine often had a fabric coat on the outside, with the plates on the inside generally being a lot bigger then these mongolian ones. Personally though I think that brigandine is one of the best looking ones, and I figure that since it didn't stand out as very metal-y, some opponents wouldn't recognise how heavily armored the opponent was (at least in the early days of brigandine before it got really popular)
@@Olav_Hansen acutely leather was a common material but that's neither here nor there. It's just that's where studded leather as a concept came from. I recommend the video on shadiversty
It didn’t fail miserably. Dragon skin is actually VERY effective. What happened is that the US Government decided to use the cheaper single plate armor for its soldiers because it was cheaper and of course, the manufacturer of single plate armor had connections to the Pentagon. It’s just nepotism and corruption at work. The dragon scale bulletproof armor is actually far more effective than the standard armors of today.
It was also mostly used by calvalry, and was often mixed with larger thicker plates in the important parts with thinner plates in the less important so the weight wasn't as much of an issue as with chainmail for ex
I feel like I have at least 4 past lives who put that on, looked down at my awkwardly cumbersome body, contemplating how I would move, and just realising I’m gonna die immediately
Considering how much you love mongolian armor you should check out Chivalry 2 if you haven't already. It has a mongolian faction you can play as and duel other players with medieval weaponry. It's fantastic.
As they conquered more territory faster then anyone else in history you have to say this armor help in no small way! Of course the genius tactics and logistics helped a lot with that too!
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 yes it did, and just like the Romans they were masters of evaluating their enemies war technology and utilizing what will work best for them. They seldom invented anything themselves but they sure did copy the best!
if you want to compare it with something common in western europe, it's probably closest to a brigandine. pretty much the same concept, but instead of tieing the plates together, they are riveted to the inside of a leather or fabric covering.
@@supernoloo7757 they're criminally underrepresented in media. in the 14th and 15th century they probably were the most common form of armor, as they were much cheaper and easier to produce than proper plate armor but offered almost the same protection.
@@saladiniv7968I think a closer comparison would be a jack of plates, which had many small square plates sewn to the fabric. Though I don't know how protectice it was since in pictures, the plates in a row don't overlap, but rather lined next to eachother. It follows tegulated armor than anything.
I really like this kind of armour. Another nice advantage is that its not that difficult to make and mantain. Takes a bit of time to make but that is often no problem.
The key feature is that the small plates are overlapping each other. Riveting the armor would create a higher protection and longevity, but fabric is easier to repair and provides higher range of movement
The best thing about the armour is the correct outfit underneath that oversized silk coat, the light armor that is weak but for example will take some of the kinetic energy from arrow head ,but as the arrow passes through the armor it will snagg on the silk as it enters the body with the silk; so when the time come remove arrow not only did the silk help slow the arrow down it made it easer to remove because because they would pull on the silk and arrow at same time also it was a cleaner wound and much less damage to surrounding tissue on extraction. Amazing
Regarding the wearing out of the cording, I can attest to that. I had some lamellar armor for a LARP and after less than twenty total days of wear I was already having to snug some of the knots as the cording stretched. Then after about a year and a half of only using it one weekend a month I was doing repairs more and more often. One time, after a tumble from tripping over someone, I had to put in over an hour of repair just to make it wearable for the rest of the LARP event. - And in none of this was I riding a horse or being attacked with real weapons!. So I can easily see the real armor being a constant maintenance item from the first time you use it.
the Japanese made lamellar even cooler by lacquering the lamellae in may different ways: individually, in full rows as lames, or as big pieces like the do cuirass. A romantic idea I have about lamellar armor is that someone starts with mixed metal/leather lamellar suit and slowly upgrades it to fuller and better metal as he gains money to upgrade the parts, eventually ending up with a full steel panoply. And there are so many ways of tying the lamellae together: iron thongs, fabric strips, silk cord, etc. etc.
I think it was early on when they lacquered individual scales until they made whole semi-solid lames of lamellar. It gets even cooler, since this meant you can actually tailor lamellar to secure along your waist.
The real benefit was that it could be churned out in months compared to chainmail which took DECADES to link together. LOTR armorers took 3 years to make their own chainmail doing 10 hour days. The average blacksmith still had other routine work to do so it would double or triple the time to produce one chainmail hauberk.
I wear a Mongol lamellar armour in full contact duels and you are right: they have a fair number of weak spots. But they do allow you to move really well too! Besides looking awesome as well 😂
I love how the belt in the first picture is not at all dissimilar from the hip belts on modern hiking backpacks. like 3/4s circumference thick belt with a strap and a narrower closure once you get in front of the hip bones.
Yes, depending on the material used for 'sewing' The plates together, it could spot-wear. However, that also ment that it could be repaired quickly and cheaply.
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That armor is awesome! Thank you for sharing.
@MM King I do on the Stakuyi page
Was Mongolians the super bad guys that did unspeakable acts?
@@historyofeverythingpodcast same as scale armour?
Byzantine squamata was extremely sexy too, and surprisingly light and airy so very suited to desert cataphract efforts.
Bro's getting ready to "troll" a persian village 💀
We do a little bit of psychological warfare 💀
Small amounts of inhuman devastation 💀
"We do a little tro-"
"YOU BURNED MY SURROUNDING VILLAGES AND USED PEASANTS AS CANNON FODDER!"
just reducing Human carbon footprint by 10% nothing biggie
as a persian
I can confirm he converted to Islam and now his name is abu javad bardia khan
The nice pointy helmet is the best part. MUST BE POINTY we want the pointy
"Pointy is scary"
- The dictator
@@synshenron798 Well pointy also might deflect an enemy weapon hitting you
@@geheimeWeltregierung also you can role-play as a guided missile and launch yourself at enemies head first
If you want to have extra fun, Kirby's pointy hat is Mongolian.
That point might also be so it can hold a turban. Turbans actually to provide eye protection from sun and falling rocks so it's functional.
Gives a new meaning to the statement "Have fun and don't forget to wear protection!"
Shit. This is pretty dark.
Sorry, but the armor stays ON.
@@teh_nooble at least mongolians don't wear cod pieces.
@@Tirocoa these guys were so brutal, I wonder if Sabaton already made a song of them.
@@crisr.8280 they're horsemen, cod piece wouldn't work
Lamellar is actually fantastic for protecting large groups of people on a budget too, because of the fact that if any of the plates are damaged there’s probably an overlapping one underneath, and when the fight is done it’s relatively cheap to replace the plate and restring the whole suit back together.
Love the tau profile pic
If I write a zombie movie, the townsfolk will make and wear laminar armor. You can even make it out of slick paper, like magazines.
Hence why the Chinese loved it
We alll knows mongaols
It may have worn-out faster than most armors, but at least it was significantly easier to repair than a lot of other armor types, it's a lot easier to replace a small metal piece than a breastplate. Theirs a reason you can see armor similar to this from the bronze age through late into the middle ages in things like brigandine.
Yeah and the little plates can be semi mass produced (cutting cost), every wife was able to repair this contrary to normal armor needing a blacksmiths touch, and as you said it was more repairable.
And they weren't likely to be walking with this to battle, they are horseriders. Still.
@@ismata3274 depends on what unit the Mongolians decide to send in battle, they are not only light cavalry, they also have some heavy cavalry units.
@@patrickbueno3279 still aren't walking, they recruited the conquered people for infantry and siegeing
@@patrickbueno3279 all Mongolians were horsemen, the walking ones were allies from vassalized states.
Lamellar + bow + horse + Mongolian throat singing
Could you use something like this on horseback? Wouldn't the back make it hard to straddle something like a horse?
@@ironwill2496 there were different versions of lamellar pretty sure, also I’m sure the mongols would find a way
Don't forget the Ayrag to drink with the boys in the camp
@@ironwill2496 the back stops at the butt, and you can bend and move in the armor
@@ironwill2496 it's impossible to use anything else my friend
*Rides off short bowing southerners*
I just got off playing banner-lord and fought the knock off Mongolians got utterly destroyed this just reminded me of how I just lost three whole towns and two castles
Somehow I managed to get lucky and I wiped them out while not having to deal with everyone else
god I hate fighting the khuzaits
@@k_aesar So annoying.
I’ve been hating these guys since I started playing M&B Warband 6 years ago. After my Nord run, I chose Rhodoks because I heard they were supposed to be good anti cav units but I gave up halfway through and said, “if you can’t beat them, join them.” They are the absolute worst to fight against
@@lukeb1663 * chortles snootily in sieges only *
I always loved lammelar armors and in Mount and Blade 2 Bannerlord you can actually wear that kind of armors
Well, if you are a good at fabric work society like the Mongols, repairing the fabric portion or changing it entirely is not difficult if you are not constantly in combat (which, they were not).
they bring their wives, so they can easily repair them
@@patrickbueno3279 wife and childrens,elders are not allowed in campaigns
Me, a Bannerlord and Kingdom Come player:
Y'know, im something of a medieval armor expert myself 😎
Two of my favourite games to ever exist
Low durability is not that huge of a problem so long as it holds up through a fight.
As you said it is simple to make and can often be made using whatever was available, that means in theory it is not hard to patch the broken piece after a battle when you return to camp and have some pre-prepped patch pieces, the same way somebody would patch a hole in a pair of pants.
The ease of production and repairs would help armor a large chunk of an army compared to a smaller chunk of better armored troops if using more expensive methods.
Even if it doesn't last through a battle, such as the various early bone, and clay armours, its fine. Some protection is better than none.
@@guildedcharr7459 I agree that some armor is better than none but I disagee about it needing to last the battle. If it fails mid battle it means mostly the soldier was severly wounded if not killed.
Use wood chunks as an example, if a piece has a decent cut or has started to split but stayed on the armor in 1 piece it probaby did the job but needs replacing before the next fight to ensure it is still intact.
However if the piece broke all the way through it probably failed and resulted in a serious wound
@steven color Obviously lasting more than one strike is desirable, and its why armour goes the way it does. Early brittle armours acted very similar to modern ceramic plates, the bone, clay or other material would shatter on impact yes, but it would disperse enough of the fotce so that the wearer was not killed.
@@guildedcharr7459 A second hit is unlikely, though not impossible, in the same spot. Accounting for weight it may be acceptable for a single small plate to only be good against a single hit.
The fabric was not a weak point, it allowed for longer longevity of the armour, hence why we have so many of them in archeology. It allowed replacing the worn out defensive parts rather than replacing the entire thing.
"Mom, can you buy me this brigandine?"
"We have a brigandine at home."
The brigandine at home:
He got that Mongolian drip!
Whew that is a really clean set of armor. Imagine making something similar out of a super light metal and woven together with like carbon fiber. Some cool old school sci-fi armor
If you're going for modern materials, kevlar or spectra with epoxy for the plates. Maybe even ceramic strike faces for serious ballistic armor.
@@hanelyp1 that would be so dope
That armor is so beautiful. And seems like it has great mobility other than the weight.
It's weighting you, but still gives you lots of mobility
This is actually where the idea of studded leather came from as the "Studs" are actually from rivets that held the metal plates to the leather. Not technically leather but it is a vary similar concept call brigantine
Brigandine often had a fabric coat on the outside, with the plates on the inside generally being a lot bigger then these mongolian ones. Personally though I think that brigandine is one of the best looking ones, and I figure that since it didn't stand out as very metal-y, some opponents wouldn't recognise how heavily armored the opponent was (at least in the early days of brigandine before it got really popular)
@@Olav_Hansen acutely leather was a common material but that's neither here nor there. It's just that's where studded leather as a concept came from. I recommend the video on shadiversty
@@sleepyspartan1367 I do watch shad though.
I thought that in general it was fabric and only sometimes leather straps.
I want it In a Kevlar format with some plate carriers.
They tried to do this but with modern ballistic plates. It was called I think dragon skin and from what I remember they failed miserably.
Yeah I think it was the expense and weight and now the new XM-5 gone the way of the Dodo.
It didn’t fail miserably. Dragon skin is actually VERY effective. What happened is that the US Government decided to use the cheaper single plate armor for its soldiers because it was cheaper and of course, the manufacturer of single plate armor had connections to the Pentagon. It’s just nepotism and corruption at work. The dragon scale bulletproof armor is actually far more effective than the standard armors of today.
It does look badass.
Currently building out my own suit of lamellar
Awesome 👌
I've worn heavy gauge Lamalar and it's not just a bit heavier it's damn heavy compared to brig or plate
It was also mostly used by calvalry, and was often mixed with larger thicker plates in the important parts with thinner plates in the less important so the weight wasn't as much of an issue as with chainmail for ex
Beautiful armour and fairly simple and easy to make.
Plus considering that the Mongolians for the most parts were mounted fighters meant that mobility and flexibility was extremely important
In D&D Terms, this would definitely qualify as Scale Mail.
Probably splint armor
@@MrAnonymus1994 You're right. I forgot they still include it as heavy armor in 5e.
Depending on how you build it, it's more akin to banded armour, much like the Roman lorica segmentata.
That looks really cool, I’d love to have a set. But maybe in titanium rather than steel. Just as strong but half the weight.
My dad’s currently making one with leather. Cool vid man.
This reminds me of the Roman Plate armor, but this one cover from chest to the thighs
The nerdy enthusiasm gives me life
I feel like I have at least 4 past lives who put that on, looked down at my awkwardly cumbersome body, contemplating how I would move, and just realising I’m gonna die immediately
I remember seeing some like early bronze age lamellar that was made out of bone. I always found that one interesting.
It’s also hell together by fabric though, so wouldn’t it be comfier than others?
Considering how much you love mongolian armor you should check out Chivalry 2 if you haven't already. It has a mongolian faction you can play as and duel other players with medieval weaponry. It's fantastic.
Love your work. A friend of the channel. 😊
Love it. Dude just casually puts on armour just like a spare coat!
As they conquered more territory faster then anyone else in history you have to say this armor help in no small way! Of course the genius tactics and logistics helped a lot with that too!
Yeah but this armor existed thousands of years before the mongols.
You sound like you're telling the mongol army "good job sport 😊"
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 yes it did, and just like the Romans they were masters of evaluating their enemies war technology and utilizing what will work best for them. They seldom invented anything themselves but they sure did copy the best!
@@burntbuddha44 well thankfully they are not around to be offended by anything I say!
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777
Lamellar armor is widely used throughout Asia and no Asian empire can occupy such a large area as the Mongols
The one i really love is the "iron pagoda" variant. No idea if it was really used, but that coolness factor is up to eleven.
They are used by the Jin cataphracts in a group of thousands, they are very intimidating and rather arrow proof. The mongols used to be their vassal.
@@angsern8455 really ? Thanks!
Iron pagoda is my dream armor, that and the "Sassanid Persian cataphract 6th century" if you Google it you will find it, absolutely byutiful
@@angsern8455. Based off Chinese armor. Song dynasty.
Lamelar armour is not hold by cloth :) "scales" are connected to each other by leather stripes.
Totally badass! Looks like these guys were the inspiration for Klingons on Star Trek ❤
So it’s a mixture between plate and chain mail
if you want to compare it with something common in western europe, it's probably closest to a brigandine. pretty much the same concept, but instead of tieing the plates together, they are riveted to the inside of a leather or fabric covering.
@@saladiniv7968 neet good to know!
@@supernoloo7757 they're criminally underrepresented in media. in the 14th and 15th century they probably were the most common form of armor, as they were much cheaper and easier to produce than proper plate armor but offered almost the same protection.
@@saladiniv7968 so something along the lines of budget plate? That’s what I’m picturing
@@saladiniv7968I think a closer comparison would be a jack of plates, which had many small square plates sewn to the fabric. Though I don't know how protectice it was since in pictures, the plates in a row don't overlap, but rather lined next to eachother. It follows tegulated armor than anything.
That armor is badazz! I would wear that daily!
“I sure hope theres no goddamn mongorians that wanna knock down my city wall”
What about that shield though?
round big bucklers
It does look badass. What is the protection level vs ranged weaponry when compared to ring mail type armors?
I really like this kind of armour.
Another nice advantage is that its not that difficult to make and mantain.
Takes a bit of time to make but that is often no problem.
As a Ghost of Tsushima player I recognized immediately that it was a Mongolian armor and I agree, it does look very badass!
I saw the guy and was like holy it looks exactly like the spearmen
A series of armor reviews would be cool 😎👌
These armors are also comfortable to wear, at least Compared to other heavy armor.
Don't forget the silk clothing that was essentially arrow resistant by itself
That explains how they're such a dominant global power.
The key feature is that the small plates are overlapping each other. Riveting the armor would create a higher protection and longevity, but fabric is easier to repair and provides higher range of movement
I'm always facinated by how flexible some of these metal armors were
Held together by cloth also means reasonably easy to repair. Just gotta make sure you check frequently so you don't leave bits of it behind you.
Mans putting on his Diving gear. Big Mongolian ready for a swim lol
Wood, leather, metal, ceramic. Even slight combos. Like leather glued to wood was a nice one.
The weight of that armour and the pressure it gives on the shoulders of the person who wears it... Damn !
Mongolian warriors always been cool
Mongolians always had some serious drip
When he lift it you already know IT IS HEAVY
Duuuude! That looks SICK! I really want some!
That old stuff was state of the art at it's time. 📡👽🇺🇸 RUN!!!
They are strong and handy.
They had no issues.
Awesome. I’ve never seen a Mongolian lamellar coat of armor. That’s amazing.
"since it was held together by fabric"
my medieval fire brain activates
The best thing about the armour is the correct outfit underneath that oversized silk coat, the light armor that is weak but for example will take some of the kinetic energy from arrow head ,but as the arrow passes through the armor it will snagg on the silk as it enters the body with the silk; so when the time come remove arrow not only did the silk help slow the arrow down it made it easer to remove because because they would pull on the silk and arrow at same time also it was a cleaner wound and much less damage to surrounding tissue on extraction. Amazing
Regarding the wearing out of the cording, I can attest to that.
I had some lamellar armor for a LARP and after less than twenty total days of wear I was already having to snug some of the knots as the cording stretched.
Then after about a year and a half of only using it one weekend a month I was doing repairs more and more often.
One time, after a tumble from tripping over someone, I had to put in over an hour of repair just to make it wearable for the rest of the LARP event.
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And in none of this was I riding a horse or being attacked with real weapons!.
So I can easily see the real armor being a constant maintenance item from the first time you use it.
That's kinda cool
Bro can’t hide his love for war. It’s kind of adorable😂
Bro was getting ready to a iron golem a run for their money
This is light for the previous Mongolian body built
"It looks nice" ahahha the Spike on the Head
the Japanese made lamellar even cooler by lacquering the lamellae in may different ways: individually, in full rows as lames, or as big pieces like the do cuirass.
A romantic idea I have about lamellar armor is that someone starts with mixed metal/leather lamellar suit and slowly upgrades it to fuller and better metal as he gains money to upgrade the parts, eventually ending up with a full steel panoply.
And there are so many ways of tying the lamellae together: iron thongs, fabric strips, silk cord, etc. etc.
I think it was early on when they lacquered individual scales until they made whole semi-solid lames of lamellar.
It gets even cooler, since this meant you can actually tailor lamellar to secure along your waist.
easy to repair, covers alot of your body, can also be worn well on horse, adjustable, can be stored on a horse and somewhat folded and also flexible.
I can't believe how genuinely interesting Ive just found this to be.. 👍
The real benefit was that it could be churned out in months compared to chainmail which took DECADES to link together. LOTR armorers took 3 years to make their own chainmail doing 10 hour days.
The average blacksmith still had other routine work to do so it would double or triple the time to produce one chainmail hauberk.
That armor almost conquered the entire earth
My claustrophbia kicked in horribly when he kept on what he was wearing before putting the armor on lol
I can already see myself riding my horse across the meadow and suddenly fall off with text saying, "I got hit with a cuman arrow."
That armor is one of the main reason how the Mongolian empire conquered the world and of course tactical strategies.
I know! Lamellar and Scale looks really cool.
I wear a Mongol lamellar armour in full contact duels and you are right: they have a fair number of weak spots. But they do allow you to move really well too! Besides looking awesome as well 😂
Lamellar armor is my favorite looking armor
the mongolian soldier npcs in two worlds 2 wear the lamellar armor set and it looks great, you can even spawn it to wear yourself
I love how the belt in the first picture is not at all dissimilar from the hip belts on modern hiking backpacks. like 3/4s circumference thick belt with a strap and a narrower closure once you get in front of the hip bones.
WuZhenTianWang-JieGe, a blogger who has been making Chinese armor, is active on the Chinese Internet, CZcams and Tiktok.
Byzantine and ruso-viking lamellar will always be my favorite armor. Doesn't matter how practical it was, that stuff is so pretty
ahhh the old school dragon scale armor lol
I love all Assyrian inventions!
Yes, depending on the material used for 'sewing' The plates together, it could spot-wear. However, that also ment that it could be repaired quickly and cheaply.
Can’t wait to see a ceramic one omg they’re so steezy 😤
“ now i have become drip, the destroyer of worlds”
I agree that’s so cool. I’ve watched this 4 times.
Wearing silk underneath helped a great deal since a silk shirt would spin and arrow and tangle it up before it penetrated the skin.
🙂 Thank you, I'll look into this for a design for my new business. ⚔️🎶
Early game Rust wipes will never be the same.
Leather lamellar was some tough shit!
Bro got that Genghis Khan fit 💀
It really does look very cool. Sadly not as durable as plate but it looks amazing.
Dude getting ready to be with the boys on finding the ghost of Tsushima.