Only LOSERS Call With King Queen Here…
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2024
- Even though many #poker players will call a raise with KQ here, 3-betting King Queen is going to be WAY better. Let's review a hand from #VLOG 10 where the HJ open-raises, the CO calls, and we have KQo on the button. I opt to make a large squeeze instead of just calling, and lay out the case for playing these spots more aggressively.
Remember, most players will just flat call here and then wonder why postflop sucks so much when the pot goes 4-way and they end up losing with top pair against a stupid two pair hand. But let's see what various preflop range charts, including the live GTO solve, say is the best option with King Queen here. Then, start turning these small loser hands into more profitable winners. Enjoy!
0:00 King Queen Intro
0:40 KQ Preflop Spot
1:21 Preflop 3betting Ranges
2:51 Squeezing King Queen
4:44 Flopping Top Pair
6:07 Turn Continuation Bet With KQ
7:27 Hand Results
7:47 More Preflop Ranges With KQ
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GREAT breakdown. I’m one of those who would C-bet larger to get folds. Thank you for showing the value in allowing weaker hands to stay in and pay more. 😊 Side note bought your Poker Workbook and LOVED it!!
Cheers Rory!
Just remember, you make money when your opponent makes mistakes, and the most common mistake they make is calling. Your goal isn't to win hands, it's to win money. Don't go around trying to make everyone fold when you have a good hand, you want them in there.
This is the type of content I'm looking for after switching to mainly playing cash. Really educational. Thanks.
You're very welcome Sean!
Squeeze factor to clear the field and get heads up is a really important factor here. I tend to flat here, thinking my position is good and I can still see everyone act post. But I get it. Good point.
Good stuff! This was super helpful for me. Thanks!
You're very welcome!
I wish I got the opportunity to 3 bet KQ more often. But where I play most people just limp. Then when you raise with KQ to say $20-25 in 1/2 you end up with 5 calls and playing KQ multi way with 4 other people is like trying to walk through a mine field.
Great vlog - thx again
You're very welcome Martin!
Great video, thanks man!
You're very welcome!
Generally if you’re oop you want to raise more I’m the 30% range, when ip, a flush draw on board, two players oop, a raise closer to 70% is preferred. This is because you want to charge draws to stay in, you have the slight range advantage (they will have more straight draws but not as many combos as you might think) and equity advantage, and the chances at least 1 player will call a continuation bet is likely.
Great video!! As you point out GTO solver never has CO calling and probably has HJ with a wider range than is the case at many live games. It would likely never have both HJ and CO simply calling your 3bet. Liked the way you played hand but can also see just calling been better in some circumstances playing live.
Cheers Raymond! Yup, you can easily come up with some assumption sets that make calling > 3betting
How do you remember all these ranges when you are playing?
I can fold if there are too many in the hand. Usually I find multi way we all have the same cards and it's just a toss up at who hits.
Interestingly I was looking at KQo earlier today and what to do in EP vs EP, it's almost always a fold...
Yup
I don't know I thought playing King Queen from the button was pretty mandatory I was more concerned with what happens when you have it from a bad position
Simple. Every solver would tell you to frequently c-bet (depending on the texture of the flop obviously) and large. You block almost 80% of the premiums and a 3bet/large open pre followed by a big cbet OOP is pretty strong. If you get called, a check on the turn doesn’t necessarily mean weakness, as you’re typically not going to have the nut advantage in that situation, so the odds say your big cbet on the flop will likely buy you a free river. Knowing what good looking rivers are if you do brick and feel like repping the overpair and knowing a good size to use to rep the over pair really helps. Learn how to play later streets better to take your game to the next level.
100... KQ on the button is always raise unless it was 3 bet already. You don't need a GTO tracker to tell you that.
Great Content.
Thanks Momo!
I liked the video. I assume the 3bet sizing was 4X + limp. In this configuration I might go slightly smaller, but I'm aware your sizing is consistent with modern poker theory. On the flop; I know it's multiway action, but I probably would not size down quite as much. Although I wonder if this is ever a flop you might check? Because of the pre-flop action you almost always have the best hand here [unless someone hit a set with 33 or 22].
Thank you! Checking the flop is a possibility for sure, I just thought these players were more likely to make calling flop mistakes than betting turn mistakes.
I have a question if you have the time to answer, say we play the hand as everythings the same except the turn play, say the turns a 5-8 non spade and two scenarios A. Opponent decides to lead out turn and then jams river on a non spade blank Or B. Opponent decides to check raise jam vs us. I was just wondering, im assuming in scenario A. we decide to call turn and then overfold rivers because population tends to not bluff too often right? Unless we know opponent is capable. In scenario B we call assuming opponent has many flush draws unless we have reason to believe he wont jam these types. Let me know if my reasoning is okay.
That's very reasonable reasoning Eddie =)
Wow no flats from the CO that's interesting! If there ever were any flats you'd think they'd come from a HJ open, so I guess there are never any gto flats from the CO. I definitely flat in live 2/5 with hands like small pocket pairs and partials of suited aces when I'm deep and trying to get involved in pots with bad players. I try to do that less when its a 3bet happy table.
There are flats from the CO vs HJ open in the GTO solve (3.3% of hands) fwiw
Hey James, I bought your postflop workbook and got to the flop types chapter. So I downloaded a free trial of flopzilla version 1.8.7 and tried to follow along, however the 3 bars icon next to the dead cards isn't there. Do I need to download the newest version or actually get a subscription to Flopzilla Pro?
You need Flopzilla Pro for that chapter. The good news is if you've purchased Flopzilla, you don't need to pay anything extra for the Pro version. If you don't have either yet, check the last page of your workbook 😉
I play alot of low limit cash games. Like $.25/$.50 low.
Would you recommend tightening preflop range or widening it with smaller blinds?
Or, does your blinds not effect that in your opinion?
The players in the game effect that, not JUST the size of the blinds. That said, most smaller games are filled with players who are too loose preflop, so playing a bit tighter preflop can certainly make life easier =)
Splitsuit I have a question. How many buy-ins do you recommend for playing shortdeck, to have a proper bankroll.
I haven't looked into shortdeck much, so I don't know =(
How does your thinking or approach change if after your flop bet the HJ shoves for $85, and the CO shoves over with all-in?
You read my mind needing an analysis on playing KQo, great points and explanation. I was playing 1/3 the other night and the bb had KQo, four players had called for $3 and came to bb and he raised to $20, all the limpers called and flop came A, K, 7 rainbow and it was checked all around on the flop and turn (4t st 5h). River came 3s cutoff got the nuts straight and bet $40 and the bb called showing KQo. My friend and I discussed this hand when I said the bb lost the pot when he didn't bet on the flop and turn. My friend said at BB you should never raise pre flop, I said that play is too passive. Please share your thoughts, thanks in advance!
Cheers! I think $30 is likely needed to accomplish the goal preflop fwiw.
Sure, raise in the big blind. I think it's a strong move when needed
If I raise with KQs at the Button and the Small-Blind is raising me. Is it good to call here in position or should I fold?
And if I got only KQo the I should fold after a 3-bet right?
The answer you're looking for is in this video =) czcams.com/video/1DbwaSexjVw/video.html
Hey what’s your bb/hr at Big O ?? What do you think is a good winrate on that ?
I don't play enough Big O to have a printable WR. I would suggest asking Greg Vail =)
@@ThePokerBank he said 40-80 bb / 100
🤯
I am using close captions to watch videos and towards the end, it transcribed the phrase "pre-flop decision" as "pre-fuck decision", which is somewhat poetic and to the point!
lol, excellent!
I tend not to downshift on my continuation bet... a minor quibble.
If you don't 3-bet here... what on earth are you waiting for?
What is your cbet size here? Closer to $75?
While I think squeezing makes the hand much easier to play I'm surprised that it is a 0% call in this exact configuration as I assumed both KQo and AKo would mix.
If you cal in this exact scenario you immediately lose any bearings of where you are at in the hand. Makes knowing what to do in the flop etc. much harder. you should always be trying to narrow your opponents range down, and calling here makes that virtually impossible.
@@nakf5057 you do bring up a fair point, but “feel” players who play live/cash will go against solvers sometimes. There’s a negative stigma attached to “feel” players with the rise of GTO and solvers, but once you play live/cash enough, you will see that many “feel” players know the odds and ranges and can also pick up live tells to help narrow the ranges post flop and it allows for much bigger action against recs who won’t believe you because of the line you took pre. That’s why you will often see players make “incredible” plays for high stakes on popular streams. They took an unorthodox line but they had a good “feel” of right about where their opponent was at in the hand and maxed their value on a board where GTO and solvers say “you don’t have a value hand to use that sizing multi-way”. Play live/cash long enough and you will find many, many of these types of “feel” players even at grinder and bankroll builder stakes 😉🤑
@@nakf5057 but to be fair, yes, the sims say squeezing in this spot is the +EV play.
What would you do if somebody raise on the flop?
Do you play at OC often?
Not since moving out of FL in mid 2022
How would you play if you don`t hit K or Q on the flop?
If both players call preflop like they did here, then mostly just c-betting draws and paired boards...
Will you be making more poker vlogs?
Yes. I have a few prepped, just haven't hit the record button on them yet
The thing that I have a very difficult time coming to grips w/ solvers/GTO play is how many people in low limit games think & play this way? My guess is next to none. What am I missing?
I don't think you're missing anything Ryan =) This video might help frame things a bit more as well: czcams.com/video/B3fXlLLbabs/video.html
@@ThePokerBank thank you. This is helpful. I’ve been playing for 20+ years as a Rec player but I beat the 2/5, 5/10 games. But I’m wanting to get into a 10/25 game and I feel like I need to learn more GTO play. Maybe I don’t, who knows..
what about KQ out of position? and does KQ suited make a tangible difference?
There's a difference between being in the SB and BB (having another player to act after you vs. closing action) - but both are still likely 3bets for me. KQs plays a bit better in MW pots fwiw.
@@ThePokerBank ahhh ty for the quick reply
i 3 bet but i never call anything unless im on the BTN or BB ! the pre flop charts i learnt (6 max online) has no calls except on btn or bb
That's a pretty standard GTO simplification, but it's also a biproduct of not allowing calls from other spots in the gametree fwiw
@@ThePokerBank yeah i agree, ive actully seen Doug Polk, who told me never call in SB call in SB with a low pair, he was playing for pennies (to him) in the lodge so idk if he was jut being lazy, but it cant be THAT bad if even he is doing it ! thankyou for the reply !
Hey, may I know where did u get the pre flop charts from for 6max online? I’d like to learn it :) thanks in advance! Was just wondering why there are no calls except btn and bb
@@andyychong6877 II got mine from buying my upswing account from doug polk, the reason there is no calling except in BTN and BB is because you are playing your hand face up, on the BTN that doesnt matter as much because you have possition and you can often call a 3 bet, but if you 3 bet on the BTN calling a 4 bet is dodgy, in the BB its accepted that a lot of people call, its because you are closing the action so dont need to worry about getting raised before the flop, also you have put in 1bb already so its cheaper to see a flop, but you also do a lot of folding post flop in the bb.
c bet onn that board wasnt great fulsh was there to chase ace 5 also wannting to see annother card
So you'd rather check and give the FD a chance to hit for free instead of charge it for drawing incorrectly?
what are the biggest stakes you have played?
$10/$25 live.
You're beard gives you a floating head look with the shirt being black lol
You're not wrong =)
Do wideo when Fold QQ and KK
I have a video coming out in early Dec where I fold KK fwiw
@@ThePokerBank are in tournament live eny need fold KK afther first quater ? if stack are good and another good stack are gambling for all pre flop
Can you do a vid where you downbet a two flush flop like this then third flush comes on turn and you get donked on turn?
If I run into such a hand, sure =)
KQ suited or not , pre flop and pre raise should be a fold if it’s 20percent or more of your stack if it’s less it should be a call. It should be a raise only if no one has raised.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
@@ThePokerBank very true.
The solver is folding KQo here half the time? Wowzers.
Large OR size + smaller effective stacks = hands like KQ can get deprioritized in certain ranges, yup.
If the As had come instead of the Ks, what then?
Check-behind in a 3way pot
I know that vlog! lol
=)
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What are your thoughts on Crypto ?
It's short for "Cryptocurrency"
@@ThePokerBank :)
King Queen is so easy to lay down
No toke for the dealer?!
I'm sure I tipped a $1 like I usually do - possibly after the recorded hand though.
What if the 'bad player' had a 65 of diamonds? Lol
Then lucky them =)
Great video. Please turn off the annoying distracting banjo in the background!
Cheers Lawson! Is the BG music that bad!?
I fold it a fair bit
3-bet seems way large here.
It is, yup.
Putting too much pre-flop thought looking at any 2 cards at a 1-2 game? I would focus more on what time of day it is. Is it 10:00am or 2:00am. Those are drastically different games in a poker room.
Not putting enough thought into preflop hand selection is where most $1/$2 players go wrong ime.
as an omaha player its crazy to me how specific the gameplay gets when there are only 2 cards . just the title of this video is hilarious to me
I'm always happy to make a PLO player smile =)
Why you show an example when you flop top pair??? Thats too difficult scenario. Why not teach us to 3 bet KQo and then show an example where flop is KKQ?
I'm thinking a QQQ flop would be a better example. Once I run into the spot, I'll be sure to post it and @ you!
zzzzz.....
Channels like these are the reason why Holdem is almost a dead game now in the majority of the USA casinos.
Bunch of broke grinders who are miserable and can't make enough to pay their bills unless they live in mom's basement.
This dude plays 1-2 lol. He probably makes way more off of this tiny channel than playing that game.
1-2 NL is basically impossible to beat for anything substantial with most of the rakes these days, especially in home games because of a lack of turnover.
Your going to be folding to all 4 bets if you 3 bet with KQ off. I understand your perspective but think just a call is better in the long run. Not looking to 3 bet fold with KQ once I get 4 bet. Fuck that… just my two sense
KQo is a 3 bet bluff. No problem to fold it against a 4 bet because you are well balanced.
@@ignaciopiedra1598 ya just seems like I’m wasting money in the long run. Doesn’t sound fun lol 😂 I get it though. To me I only do this against certain players so I guess it depends. I would never do this online let’s put it that way
That's also kind of here too, people in smaller games do NOT 4bet often enough - so it's not much of a concern having to 3bet/fold with KQ
Can not focus because of your beard
It has that effect on some people.
I honestly do not agree with the sizing on the flop I would push for more pressure in case any A appears on turn or river or other scare cards
Edit: that was actually the play that got you a bigger pot but the variance by letting opponents call for the cheap long term will get you
Bet 33% on the flop is range c betting by default (solver approved)
If V is holding an A, then there is about a ~6% chance the Ace appears on the turn...
U talk way 2 much bruv...2 much mansplaining
Please don't subscribe to the channel. Sorry, "2 tha channel"
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It still cashes out the same
my nearest casino has the stickiest chips. it’s disgusting lol
@@gtaatmiami gotta love poker room chips
This video is from a while ago, the tables have since been re-felted and the chips are new.
@KnowmadicTech I read your comment while pooping. Fyi