We SOLVED Why Mysterio Knew About the Multiverse & Earth 616
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The guy from Thor knew about 616 as seen on his chalk board in The Dark World. It's possible he wrote a book on multiverse theory and the guy on Mysterio's team read it.
💯💯💯
that makes sense
Get this guy a job
Or the guy that made up the story is a skrull
616 is the main universe tho
Makes sense 🤯
*Sits in chair, sinks into it, puts finger tips to corresponding finger tip*
Hmm... Intriguing.
Beck did mentioned that someone in his team gave him this theory. He did not created this theory.
he could have come up with the numbers though
Yes beck doesn't know about Multiverse they just guessed right
Eric Solveig designated Earth 616 on his chalkboard, then put it in a book.
@@joeyfunk_ this is good. This makes sense. They may have studied his work.
@@joeyfunk_ man u got it right mysterio friend Guterman and His team were in London *Spiderman Far From Home* and Eric Solveig was in *London in 2013 Thor the dark World*
That is literally one of my most plausible theories I’ve had about dreams it’s a mental connection between you and other versions of yourself in different realities, I have this as a theory for real life and possibly deja vu meaning some of your other haves have been through something similar as you
That would’ve been so amazing if that was a scene in Multiverse of madness, where you are seeing where variant Ray actually is having the dream and the other 616 one is dream walking. they could’ve even made him a character in the lab scene too, showing him working under Christine
Beck googled it.
guys he did it
He knew about mulitverse @
beck said someone on his team gave him the idea. maybe it was a kang in hiding?
'The Council of Quentins'
With 838's Xavier, they could have had a Cerebro-like device tuned to look for 'dreamwalkers' or other interdimensional guests.
Dreamwalker would be awesome
Didn't Beck give credit to his employee for the storey?
Might this theory be true, but with another character's name?
I don't recall that character's name though.
The name is Guterman created a story of soldier from another earth named Quentin fightın space monsters He said"">> ( *FAR FROM HOME* )
I- ehhhh- th- duhhhhh- I- dang it I was so satisfied nooooooo
@@thembaedward4520 he gave credit to him, but maybe, quentin told him some suggestions to the story, just how a editor would do to a manga author, you know?
@@elmariohuwu3624 nah beck didn't know anything of the Multiverse Guterman didn't just create he came up with the idea I think they's more to Guterman than we think here's my other theory Kang allowed the Evengers to time travel using the Quantum navigator because he needed tony so he can leařn how to time jump so i think Kang might have took Guterman from 833 to 616 to come up with Multiversal idea to Confuse Parker coz he's the reason why stark made Q.navigator so kang is responsible for everything remember when he told silvy and Loki that he PAVED the Road for them to come and kill him...its all Kang..
@@elmariohuwu3624 nah beck didn't know anything of the Multiverse Guterman didn't just create he came up with the idea I think they's more to Guterman than we think here's my other theory Kang allowed the Evengers to time travel using the Quantum navigator because he needed tony so he can leařn how to time jump so i think Kang might have took Guterman from 833 to 616 to come up with Multiversal idea to Confuse Parker coz he's the reason why stark made Q.navigator so kang is responsible for everything remember when he told silvy and Loki that he PAVED the Road for them to come and kill him...its all Kang..
Thank you for this video.
As Galactus was coming to earth strange and other mutants reached out to him and send a message as Galactus does not only feed within one reality but feeds on all reality. Just like how Normanrad used the crystal to reach to Galactus just how other realities reached out to 616 but 868 caused the whole incursion.
My jaw dropped watching this vid. Dope
Interesting video and topic 🙂👍
I really like this big set of theories that were just mentioned.
616's Loki didn't kill he who remains... Sylvie killed him and is not from 616.... 🧐
A deleted scene from spider-man: No Way Home was a mysterio variant entering earth 616 through the multiverse realm shattering and would fight dr strange during the final battle.
It was never filmed. Ergo, not a deleted scene. However, it was in "talks" during the films conceptual phase of production.
You mean 199999
I personally chalk it up to pure coincidence but this theory does make a lot of sense. Would love to see Marvel confirm this at some point in the future.
i believe the director said it was a coincidence but you know how they be
I'm sure this will get buried, but I don't think 616 Loki was the one that killed He Who Remains. 616 Loki was killed by Thanos. The exact moment that the Avengers go back in time, they cause a nexus event. The Loki that stole the space stone may be very similar to 616, but it is not the same. If it was, then from our perspective in 616, Loki would have vanished from the universe entirely when he went to work for the TVA. In the Avengers movie, we didn't have future avengers coming back, so their mere presence in Endgame is what causes the nexus event. All that being said, it makes you wonder, when multiverses branch off of each other, what designates a particular branch to maintain the number designation, and which ones are considered the branches?
That is the best way to make it work.
One of his crew made the story up about a man name Quentin Beck from a different earth. He mentions it during FFH in his speech after he got EDITH from Peter. So with that said the guy who made the story up could have been a Skrull. 🤔
Dr. Selvig in Thor 2 I believe wrote about Earth 616 on a white board. He even had it circled. So 616 isn't exactly only known by the 838 variants.
Can I have my shoe back ?
Correct. He was given insight by the mind stone into the cosmos and suffered mild insanity.
It's very plausible he wrote a book.
Okay what If he had lucid dreams in the other universe
MARVEL Studios Logo Intro in the MCU.
I've seen far more convoluted storylines in comics. So highly plausible. You could definitely write for Marvel or DC.
Nope, it was Guterman who came up with the made up backstory.
He could have come up with the general story and Beck could have come up with some of the specific details, such as the designations of the universes.
I was probably in tony stark data base because when tony stark perfected time travel he also knew about the multiverse because of the way Pen particles are stack on top of each other and excited in other places
Yeah that makes a lot of sense actually!
Thank God we haven't seen a variant of Hawkeye yet
Lmao
This video would be better if it connected the dots leading up to secret invasion wars or whatever the next phase is because thats actually why Mysterio does what he did.. its not just dreams
I think learned about the different "earth's" from seeing Dr Selvic on the news during Thor the Dark World....he took that bit of information an ran with it
Also, I´d like to mention how Kang represents universes as literally on top of each other and the difference between 616 and 838 is exactly 222. Understanding each digit as an XYZ coordinate, it feels like moving 2 steps in every direction would get you to parallel universe 838. Maybe 727 and 949 are also universes?
I read somewhere that the 616 originally comes from a comic writer who wanted to call it 666 but just made an slight change to disguise it. But the MCU could´ve taken my 222 aproach? idk, what you guys think?
They changed the 666 maybe just saying maybe,cause 666 is a Satanic number.
Feels like you're mixing the MCU with Sudoku with all that theoretical math lmfao, but I really like it. I can see theories like this being accurate without the people creating the shows ever acknowledging they are. Maybe they were messing about in the writing room and someone came up with that idea
They do it intentionally and hope mist people don't notice,but many who are educated can easily spot the symbolism.
You did it. You've cracked it.
maybe he saw 838 written somewhere and read it as 833 because 3 and 8 are very similar in looks. especially at a quick glance
Beck says in the bar scene after he got the glasses, that one of his crew wrote the story of the multiverse.
Beck didn’t come up with it.
OK wow, so this is incredibly clever. I have to give you hats off for this theory. But this is going to go onto the assumption that the multiverse being open has rewrote what we know about the phase 1 to 3 movies.
Not necessary because Far From Home happens after Endgame.
There was still a multiverse as said by the ancient one but it was keep apart by Kang and his time variance authority
The dude that gave him the info is a skrull
Or beck being a scientist just read Dr Selvigs multiverse theory where he specifically calls the MCU 616.
Sorry to debunk this theory but in far from home in the bar scene beck gave credit for his multiverse story to one of his coworkers
Kang is a distant relative of Richards. The portals the TVA come thru are orange and appear in front of them. But notice, In Dr Strange 2, when we meet Reed Richards, he appears thru an orange portal, coming from above him, operating via some type of remote control in his hand. I instantly saw that and thought its a prototype of the orange one that Kang will use and give the TVA later on, them being related distantly is meant for us to pick up on. Marvel gives us EVERYTHING laid out we just have to put it all together ourselves before they do later on down the road.
Richards had a blue teleporter, not orange.
The Teleport that Richards uses coming from above is a reference to a Doom portal from the comics. Check that out
i agree with everyone in the comments in that Mysterio did not know about the multiverse on his own but rather had the theory proposed to him by a co-worker as a plot for his scheme.
variants and other branches didn't existed before LOKI
Sylvie wasn’t 616 Loki though. She was a variant and she killed He Who Remains…
Nice
This doesn't work because his name isn't Quentin Beck, it's made up by his writer and he didn't create the story. He's just some guy who took on the name and was this universe's Mysterio. So he would not even dream walk to other Quentin Becks, because his real name is unknown his multiversal counterparts would be whomever he really is (Jake Gyllenhal)
What if?... he's a variant all along?
How does far from home take place before Loki? Loki takes place outside of time and technically occurs right after endgame while far from home happens summer 2024
No doubt he's still alive and maybe he's working for Kang. Even if he died Kang/he who remains could have easily altered the timeline to reverse that.. But my assumption following Spiderman FFH was his acess to Tony Starks data he collected during the events of endgame. We don't know what all Stark was researching into "off camera" before showing up to the avengers compound with his time GPS devices. Stark may have discovered a lot more than we were lead to believe. Which was speculated by various theorists on Tony knowing about the existence of Kang and other such theories
Not as exciting, but maybe Guterman just read Dr Selvig's '616 Universe' theory.
Bingo
Yup. No need to do mental gymnastics.
Makes a lot of sense, honestly I can see you being right and Marvel going this way, maybe to bring him back or something all those lines, and by bring him back I mean from another universe with 616’s knowledge, regardless though great theory and another amazing video, keep crushing it dude! 💪❤️🫶🙏🙏
This is a very plausible theory and one I think that can fit as how he named their earth 616.
I thought his henchmen hacked Shield or something…
Here's my theory what if this Quentin beck is not from the 616 earth but the earth where the other Christin is in . Then somehow stole their technology and traveled here to do what he did on the other earth and do the same by first finding Tony Stark and you know the rest.
WAT IF the person who Beck got the story from is a scroll and just knows about the Multiverse
i always thought in my head cannon that he realy is from 838, and came here and found the 616beck and they worked together to form the scam of a tech warrior from scam destroyed universe(really closer to a utopia run by an illuminati) this theory has either616 or 838 beck still out there alive but just one of him. it would be a clean way to bring back a mysterio. it would make sense that 838 would of had villains smart enough to know about the multiverse. i just go back to visions original equation their very existence invites challenge. and it would really cool revelation that the big lie was infact still mostly true. but to me i don't think they are heading in this direction
or he killed the other beck heck i don't know
Aaaargh! The MCU isn't Earth 616. 616 is the comics universe!
Mysterio works for Kang
I think the dream connection only exists with nexus beings
is wong a nexus being? dont thinks so , maybe though. in dr strange mom chavez and wong talk about it
Solved...? He dreamed it up...?
I feel like this is highly unlikely and that there is a much more likely solution out there.
Why do I always forget that the MCU has Jake Gyllenhaal?
Didn't mysterio say his friend Guterman created a story of solder from another earth named Quentin fightıng space monsters
Are u sure Mysterio knew of Multiverse? and 2019 he who remain was still alive and Parker was just from snap he didnť mess with Dr strange spells...
I thought Mysterio lied about being from anywhere.. that he was a fraud?
The loki of 616 did not kill He Who Remains that Loki died at hands of Thanos
Very close to the mark guys. Except that Beck didn't come up with 616 as some kind of inspired thing... he knew he was lying from the beginning. He never believed or suspected that he was in any way hinting on a reality. The simpler solution is probably the correct one. Mysterio was probably the inspiration for the numerical code of our universe. When the Baxter foundation in 838 went looking for a number, they would have seen the fallout of Beck's lie into paperwork and all kinds of gossip around the Fury Network. From there, the TVA probably took much of their filing system from that Baxter Foundation. And finally, Professor Selvig (a genius in his own right) had his mind fractured by having a god in it (Loki). Now while our Loki had no idea about alternate universes, a Professor Selvig left unhinged could have stumbled upon that (Dont ask me how).
Or a simpler solution: Marvel Studios is not infallible and they were unsure how they wanted to proceed initially, dropped Easter Eggs for funsies, and then doubled back on themselves when they realized they were actually doing this but are too prideful to admit they made a mistake with this and are just leaning into it.
....maybe he visited 833....?
You lost me at "he misremembered a number". Give it a rest
He did a Rick and Morty and actually traveled from 833 to 616. 838 Beck killed his (616) self and took his place and now lives in a false universe. Probably cause his (833) universe collapsed. Look into Spider-UK. It is fact that earth (833) was destroyed due to an incursion. Its only in my opinion about the Rick and Morty Theory. Or yes, Go back to the Bar scene where "Guterman" is thanked by Beck for creating the story of the "solider from another earth named Quintin"..... Then you have to ask yourself, WHO IS GUTERMAN? HOW DID GUTERMAN KNOW ABOUT THE MULTIVERSE?.... seems would need to dig deeper into Guterman.
Or he could have just made it all up because he did not know as part of the story in the Spider-Man movie
Find it funny, that Earth 616, main MCU, is the correct number of the beast, the number of man, which isn't 666, so basically explain why it all went to hell, so to speak
I think you should not take Mysterio on his word at all. Some people are saying one of his crewmates came up with the story. For all we know we no it was all a complete fabrication. Just because of a multiverse theory one of his guys had. I highly doubt they know what universe they are in. I'm pretty sure they just pulled that story out of their ass. Do not take Mysterio of all villains by his word. On top of that, I'm pretty sure it's fan service bait from the writers/directors.
The mcu isn’t 616. So mysterio just said a random number and it so happened to be a number of a real world. The mcu is 199999
It makes no sense that the mcu is earth 616.. the main comic book universe is 616. And the mcu is well... the mcu.
Wrong Loki from 616 did not kill he who remains Sylvie did I don't know what Is universe she is from But that was her fault
Bro… this makes so much sense 🤯
It’s 199999
Too much credit to Beck. His writer is the one who came up with it. Beck is just the figure head of mysterio. I think this theory has merit, but it’s the writer who is doing the dreaming-isn’t it always the writer doing the dreaming?
Man I figured this shit out after watching doctor strange, you didn’t do nothing bro looool
So basically he is Kang. I do wonder if he was from the future or from another world.
The dream-link means that it’s actually fairly likely that many of the universes will end-up using similar numbers in naming the 616 and 838, etc…
OR Marvel goofed.
This is such a reach😂😂😂😂
He chatted shit the whole time it's not a theory it's bollocks
I think your dreaming lol 😅 the guys a skrull that knows the multiverse
Nice try lol but aw na dawg 😂
Not here to brag but I’m like 960
420th like, nice.
he didn't know, he made it up, stop trying to retcon the plot inconsistencies in Marvel movies!
I’m lost