"It's like the ultimate suffering story." Jordan Peterson
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- The story of Job, "God & Satan's Bet"
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TheArchangel911
ill tell you one thing
i feel completely RIPPED OFF by the psych prof I had in college
One thing is true if Jorden Peterson is your proff you are getting your moneys worth
Yeah I feel you. I study psychology and most of my teachers partake in these neo Marxist agenda that Jordan outlines
I live an hour and a half away from UofT and I'm willing to take the commute if I get accepted.
what did your teacher thought you?
@@TheReaper569 what did my teacher think of me? i presume you mean
i dont know, but since i was the one bringing the money to the transaction
i imagine he was glad to see me
You know what's sad? His theology is better than most Mega-church pastors and televangelists.
thats true but he isnt really understanding the bible well either, hes just better than joel osteen and alike
I agree with the original comment.
To the added reply I would say the Good Doctor is taking great pains to keep his analysis of the religious materials firmly in the realm of psychology. Just my opinion
He actually reads and teaches from the Bible... Not just cherry picked verses about how Jesus loves us. Refreshing.
I'm a born again believer and I love listening to him...trying to 'clean my room' as it were...I love how he often refers to the Bible and it's stories to mirror our own strengths or lack there of....so much to learn from him.
@@xxxmmm3812 who are you to make that claim?
I hope Jordan Peterson knows there are many Christians praying for him. He’s brilliant.
Yep, I am hoping and praying and Id love for him to meet another brain, Jonathan Safarti, author of The Genesis Account, as well as The Greatest Hoax on Earth, and co-author to Darwin's Achilles Heel.
It is because he is not a Christian that he is brilliant. He is free to f ind the truth unhindered by dogma.
@@yahulwagoni4571 You say, perched upon your own dogma.
To me Jordan Peterson is like a less Christian CS Lewis
SA SD ooof 👏🏻👏🏻
The professor I never had but will forever cherish
Roughly speaking.
@@Stranger_In_The_Alps Based
JBP has a gaming laptop lol
Perestroika with some rad stickers to boot
He as drawn to the msi dragon.
He plays Civ 6 and always go for religious victory.
To play a set of games and to choose the game you are playing in a manner that is to play that game. Can you see why he needs a gaming laptop top with a dragon at the center of that.
I thought I was the only one that noticed!
This man could talk about the history of socks and i would listen for hours
How can he know so much?
@@mvs9122 he read alot and actually reads
Sad to hear :( Pay attention, not emotion
What he’s saying is Jordan makes u wanna pay attention it could be socks. I’d say u should use less emotion and pay attention.
Lmao
The point of the "bet" is that Satan is trying to justify himself, "Sure Job worships You, he's been given everything, but if he had to go through what I did, he'd sin and turn on You just as I did."
God then tests that and when Job doesn't betray God, Satan is thus condemned because it demonstrates the blame lies with Satan and his self-centeredness not the situation (regardless of how bad it can be.)
Oh wow, I never looked at it that way... I was always focused on what it said about man, God, and suffering...
Stan is not condemned. He works for God, His job is to go around and test people. God tests people all the time. Stan is his DA.
@@yahulwagoni4571 read your Bible again
I also never thought of it that way....nice insight!
Amen.
I was just shocked at the disrespect given this story by Peterson. It just goes to show you, even when the Godless attempt to give some sort of credit to God, they are bound by their lack of faith to make ridiculous accusations against God. He literally mirrors Satan's attitude. "It's just ridiculous that God is playing this game with Job."
And I can admit, even as a believer when I first read this story I was struck by what seemed to me to be the inappropriate nature of the "bet", but what you do is you suspend disbelief and try interpreting the story assuming God is who and what He says He is, and then it begins to make sense.
The Godless are just sort of stuck making nonsense out of it because they do not trust God. How can they, denying even so much as His existence....? They see that all good things hover around this "concept" of God, but they still deny God Himself....
Job by the way got everything he lost back several times because he kept trusting God. In other words, Satan loses the bet.
+Govega21
Or put another way, Job learned something immensely valuable out of the experience that enabled him to make even better "sacrifices unto the future" (God) unto his even greater flourishing.
@@griz063 Guys i didnt read the story, but from what I heard here Job reminds me a lot of Andy Dufresne from Shawshank redemption (does nothing wrong, gets shit on by reallity but still retains his spirit and in the end gets rewarded for it). Do you think they are similar and thats maybe even why that movie is so loved?
Job, just like everyone else in scripture that God took from, was given back everything and more. I've lived that and can prove its truthfulness.
@@garrettsasser4565
While I don't disagree, I think Spiritual Christians need to come up with a better articulation than this. I know religion loves the personified God (cast in our image just bigger and more powerful), but I would suggest this was akin to a child's stand-in for at Concept beyond their understanding.
What "God" manifests as is the very energy and power of the Life process that essentially burst into entropy and supercharged it with the very essence (Spirit?) of Life.
The nature of Life seems to be not so much that it's a person, as a personable process within which one can "bargain with the future" (the Biblical concept of conscious self-aware sacrifice -- the discovery of which seems to be what differentiates us from the animals.
As per the story of Job, one can make what seem to be all the right sacrifices "bargains with the future" and still arrive at loss. But rather than this being something arbitrary (or worse, punishment which BTW is a child's thinking), it simply means that the sacrifices did not represent a proper "bargain with the future" . . . because the future didn't respect them.
Which means we perhaps did not properly respect the nature of Reality.
"Sin" relates (iirc) to an archery term that simply means "missing the mark". It is perhaps not as juicy and nefarious as religion tries to paint it. Missing the mark, simply means we did not properly respect all of the variables and/or interact with them in a competent fashion.
Because if we did, the mark would not have been missed. The "target" isn't punishing us, or "removing victory" from us.
We just did not achieve it.
@@griz063 😊 that's your prerogative. I've tasted, I've proven, and I believe.
I taught the story of Job in my adult Sunday School class last year. The story is a caution against bitterness from suffering. Job maintains his faith through all of his trials, despite being mocked by his wife and friends. It is one of the most important books in the Bible.
Um...sounds like a idiot
For a breakthrough understanding of the Book of Job... read the book "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - BURKE." Yes. A Breakthrough.
What's your explanation for the death of Job's children? Were they just collateral damage? Didn't their lives have meaning and purpose too? It seems like Job is the main character and everyone else is playing a supportibg role and can be killed off at anytime.It's hard to think of God like that.
So, I believe the book of Job was a fictional Hebrew story to teach a lesson, possibly the one you have highlighted.
@@oghoghoovonlen8582 Written by two authors. God replaces the kids, without acknowledging the loss of his dead kids. Much of the Bible has stories like this that don't make sense in 2024. But were relevant 3000 years ago. Plus they most likely start as oral tradition and then are written down.
"we figured it out, we just don't know we figured it out."
wow that's crazy but true.
What did we figure out & what are the implications?
We figured out the trip which is the i pleat thing but the most complicated
@@mewubzy
He is saying that current civilization and prior thrive/depend on order/submission/cultural system etc.
Basically he is obsessed with order and systems of all sorts and is trying to provoke people to see meaning in it.
Determinism is Freedom 🤙
We take lots for granted…
"He knoweth the way that I take. When he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold." My favorite quote from Job, the oldest book in the Bible.
Oldest? I know the events are the oldest but was it written at the time it happened?
@@hamsarris8341 what?? I think you're talking specifically about the events described by God when he created the universe. But Job came way after Genesis, Adam and Eve.
Job is not the oldest book in the bible, in fact it is one of the youngest.
But I know my living Redeemer, and He will stand on the dust at last. 26 Even after my skin has been destroyed, yet I will see God in my flesh. 27 I will see Him myself; my eyes will look at Him, and not as a stranger. My heart longs within me. Favorite.
Me: I promise I won’t get religious tonight
5 beers later:
As an ex athiest I don't mind.
Gods humor is funny to me also. The fact the people who work at NOAA believe Noah's flood was a fairytale yet a good chunk of NOAA is to watch for floods or something like that. 😂😂😂 no one understands humor like the ALMIGHTY CREATOR
@@TheAnnoyingBoss There’s nothing as funny as letting your sims and their children drown because your sims aren’t doing what you want.
@@TheAnnoyingBoss indeed, God has the best sense of humor
@@shroomer8294 its more like if your sims were killing each other and sacrificing sim kids to sim gods. You wouldnt reset the game but keep the cool stuff?
What about the flood 12000 years ago graham hancock and randal Carlson talk about? It makes me think of Bible flood
Jordan Peterson and David Goggins saved my life. Who knew all you need is CZcams to heal yourself.
I wonder how many times God has saved you and you never knew it.
Frazer Piccolo r/wooooooosh
@@frazerpiccolo4484 Like 0.6 times. The other 9.4 times it was Peterson and Goggins.
@@1BeGe That is a pretty clever answer, man, but you may be suprised. God saved me from the needle and protected me all the years I was in prison. Maybe one day you'll remember that an old bank robber once told you God is very real, and the only real peace and joy that last is from Him... everything else is pretty fun, but never last. The pleasure always goes away.
@@oreocookies1356 I get your point, and Jordon Peterson is a wise man that has taught me a lot. But still I wonder how many times God saved you and you didn't know it... maybe by putting Jordon Peterson in your world was one of them.
Daaaaaaaaaaaamn!!! Peterson could run circles around most theology professors! Let me see, in this short segment of his lecture Peterson employs: Jungian analysis of myth, semiotic criticism, canonical criticism, structural analysis, cultural-sociological analysis, existential exegesis - all seamless and coming at you faster than the speed of sound!
No, I like the man and most of the things he says, but he doesn't seem to understand the reality of the book, or why God and the devil had "the bet", etc.
Just to create a confusing intellectual gibberish about something so deep yet so simple, the only way to miss the point of the Bible is to interpret it.
Determinism is Freedom 🤙
Huh?
@@zzzzz4203 He's not teaching the book as a reality. It's a public university, not a seminary. He's teaching about the psychology of humans creating and perpetuating the story and what we can learn about ourselves from that.
That doesn't have to be mutually exclusive from your religious views about it. You can do that too if you want. It doesn't make what he's doing with it any less valid or useful. It's just not what you're using it for at the moment.
I'd love to do Bible study with this guy!
He's done some Bible lectures. They're great. Sadly that's as close as most of us will get an in-person chin wag. Thankfully he's done well at getting his viewpoints out into the world.
@FREE THE UYGHUR lawl😂
@FREE THE UYGHUR naah im least attracted to stone age mentality in the 21st century lol
@False Profit i couldn't recalled what the original comment i replied to was, and I think its deleted but I doubt I'm referring to the Bible there
That would get pretty intense
When the light of a true genius appears, you can recognize him immediately because all fools join against him.
Not always
More like they all abandon him.
They abandon, join against, disdain, attempt to silence, and try to make short of anything of memory of them.
Intellectual thought is discouraged when it's not an establishment accepted thought. That robs people of their OWN capacity to do so in favor of compliance.
A very well said quote here
Just like the clueless mob use to burn the scientists back in the medieval days...
Why can people not see he is an absolute genius? With answers to everything that's wrong, he may not know it, but the answer's he has.
His IQ is obviously impressive. And he has a real passion for truth and making the best sense we can of things -- and a real heart for people. There are so many places in his casual and more relaxed conversations (where the interviewer is not trying to actively crucify him and piss on the remains!), where you can see that he truly cares for people and wants the absolute best for them.
He's humbly inspirational -- which in itself is an inspiration on top of it all!
He's brilliant. He is committed to truth. Objective truth. He doesn't shape the truth to fit his views. He shapes his views to fit the truth, and not just the truth as he chooses to see it, but the truth as it is.
Jesus the Wise has returned!
I mean he's good but, he's got nothing on Alan Watts.
Eric Permenter lol
He's almost as smart as me, but not nearly as humble.
😂❤️
Hahaha ita funny because it's ironic 😂
True
I feel you
@Les Brown Great*
I agree
I want to live in his classroom.
Look around. Surprise! You do.
@@50srefugee well said
Jordan Peterson is a genius, you can tell because many people hate him because of his words.
That's a shitty indicator for genius.
God doesn’t exist and he cited him more than I cited Wikipedia in highschool
@@albyshinyfield8841 fallacy
@@LOLERXP u must not live in america. Our mass media is intentionally trying to divide and hurt us. Whenever people in our country "go after" somebody Like they did with Jordan it's a pretty good sign that person is speaking truth
@@albyshinyfield8841 Uhhh, no. He's referencing the character of god as written in the bible from a secular standpoint as a story created and perpetuated by humans. Do you think that stories created in the earliest times of written word (i.e. that likely stem from surviving hundreds of generations of oral tradition beforehand) and then survive post-civilization long enough form the basis of multiple of the largest religions on the planet have nothing worth analyzing about human psychology? You'd have to have put zero critical thought into the concept to think that...
God bless this man. Many preachers out there that seemingly kind of just waffle on, but this man’s genius makes you want to learn more by yourself, therefore hopefully leading you to God without anyone really persuading/influencing your decision.
God is Good.
He opens up new ways to think about things and to wonder at how much influence God has on the world. We really are made in his image.
For every video I watch of Jordan Peterson, the more nuances and subtle messages I pick up and the more I pick up, the more I appreciate his genius.
Read the Bible, it does the same thing. There's a reason Jordan Peterson studies it.
+Digital Assassin
And the better trained we become in learning to spot more and more of the nuance and interwoven wisdom running through . . . well, all things! He's teaching those who are open, how to tap into their own "genius" (which seems something akin to "participation with Transcendence). And in other lectures, actively teaching that where we think it might personally top-out, is probably just a starting point.
He talks faster and faster towards the end - true flow state.
This mind is unparalleled
He is brilliant but even brilliant people still have some things to understand.
@@1969cmp Obviously, given the condition of the World,lol.
@@stevelopez372 I'm glad all you people are basically nonchalant geniuses 😂 we all in this together haha
He’s one of the many reasons I’m seriously considering taking Biblical classes in college
I did, because of him and the symbolic world yt. Be careful I converted to Orthodoxy because of them 😄
@@stevenanderson4515 Thanks for the advice! I’m very easily influenced and I know the majority of people prey on that
"...first hyperlinked document... different levels of analysis... like a piece of symphonic music".
I'll never stop procrastinating if I keep watching these.
After a very dramatic conversion the Lord told me that He was going to take me through a Job like experience....the refiner's fire. I lost absolutely Everything and now I have arrived at Job 42 ready to recover ALL. God is Absolutely Good.
Job was an amazing Bible Account.
Satan rules the world of mankind. God allows this due to the original rebellion in the garden of eden. God has the right to rule, however, because of rebellion and for the sake of all free moral agents that we are, including spirit creatures, humans are allowed to govern themselves under satan's rebellion. This rebellion has ultimately failed and proves that Gods way of ruling is ultimate correct and the best way. In the end God will bring the Kingdom to end Satans rulership and all that support it.
God allowed Job to be tested by satan. He didnt get mad at Job for questioning why he was suffering, he believed God to be the cause of his suffering. God wanted Job to appreciate that God is just in all he does and that his (Jobs thinking) was unbalanced because he really started to brag in his righteousness.
The account of Job proves multiple things.
1. Satan has dominion over the world of mankind.
2. He has limitations. Satan was not allowed to kill Job.
3. Satans goal is to turn people away from true worship and he accused mankind of having a good relationship with God only because God blessed them.
4. Job proved that even when suffering, we can remain faithful.
The Accuser is my favorite name for the Satan archetype. I have always believed that the story shows Him not as God's enemy but as mankind's.
@@TG-kt9vg what a cool comment that's very well said :)
@@TG-kt9vg You should read more on what Jesus said about Satan
@@TG-kt9vg
The New Testaments has many times where it says satan has great power and authority over the earth. An example in the gospels is when Satan told Christ that if He bows down to him, then he will give Him all the worlds kingdoms (which is one of Christ's goals as God Himself - retaking the territory satan took); this shows how Satan probably had rulership over the whole world. The Epistles describe satan as the "prince of the power of the air", which traditionally describes the belief that the domain of the demons and fallen angels is the sky/air/2nd heaven. Fallen Angels are called kosmokrators, or world/cosmos rulers. They are the same powers and rulers and principalities that St. Paul writes about in Ephesians that are the christian's true enemies. The Scriptures make it clear that the fallen ones have a great degree of power over territories of the earth, but that may not be the case today (ever since the Church has spread, taking territory from the demons)
I think from the general point of view of Christianity, Satan has power over those who allow themselves to be under his influence. Even if you don't believe in Christianity or God I think you'd be hard-pressed to say that the ability to choose isn't one of the main focal points of existence. The goal being to learn to choose correctly consistently, which we are all fairly bad at when our existence begins. This would go a long with where the devil gets his power, from our miss use of our choice. And seeing how selfishness is so prevalent you could argue Satan has much power over much of the world. But that power was given to him by the agency of mankind choosing wickedness over righteousness. Just my two cents.
Is this dude a messenger sent from God himself?
Jeremy Esser to answer that question we first must clarify what exactly you mean by 'God'
This is a dude who made sense once then dove off the deep end and lives his life in a constant fever dream. Either that or he found out as others have that this kind of stuff is easy picking.
Hrodebert Coad can you elaborate on what you mean by “easy picking” I’m not asking for any reason other than I don’t know what that means
@@alexpetersen5675 What I mean by easy pickings is that it's insanely easy to garner a following with this kind of stuff, whether for profit or to further some kind of political goal, etc...
+mysticfedora
I believe that, that we are here implies - to some degree - that there are forces larger than us. The very notion of belief can be rhetorically whittled to the very nub of it's meaning ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I think the point of job was more about God reminding mankind that it had no control over its life or destiny, and that all good things granted to mankind are only granted through the grace of God. I think it also shows that chaos and suffering are the result of God retracting His power from a situation rather than using it to manipulate one. After all, it’s technically Satan who does all these horrible things to job and God simply allows them to happen under the condition that job’s life is spared. And once the lesson is learned, God not only compensates all that job lost, but gives him back at least five times what he had before, thus demonstrating both His absolute authority and His illimitable mercy.
Sadly, job never got his children back. He never really got double for his trouble.
But are his kids not in heaven?
sólveig Diðriksdóttir God wasn’t punishing them, so yeah they’re in heaven. It’s simply as scripture says “He giveth and He taketh away.”
Austin Boucher God didn't compensate job for everything he lost, he never got his children back!
daman 71 He gave him seven more sons and three more daughters, and according to 42:15 “And in all the land there were no women so beautiful as Job’s daughters. And their father gave them an inheritance among their brothers.”
Jordan Peterson is so close to faith. He needs help figuring out the last pieces. God bless him.
He must rely on the Word for Faith by believing it, instead of looking at the Word as a part of his constant intellectual pursuit. He’s on a journey and I’m praying he opens the door Christ is knocking on.
It's been a year since your comment and he's getting closer brotha!
He's proof you can be compassionate and spiritual without b being religious
Proverbs 29:18
King James Version
18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
"we just don't KNOW that we figured it out" - it was worth waiting for that little gem
Just totally unrelated to this amazing video:
When I started watching Dr. Peterson video, I remember he had a massive old chunk of a laptop - now he uses a l33t gaming MSI one. Kudos!
"One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, "Where have you come from?". Satan answered the Lord, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
What makes this true account in the Bible so important is that in a secular society, the works of Satan are overlooked. While the atheist focuses on denying God, they inadvertently let Satan occupy their spiritual void.
So is the fault of man, to deny the LORD is to submit to Satan. There is no freedom without slavery, but to whom are you a slave: good or evil?
@Jacob Hulka - Satan is the source of every negative thing that happens - COVID-19, mental illness, abortion, corruption in the courts, rampant promiscuity etc., but as he is sovereign, it is God who directs Satans evil.
In all matters, God's will is being done; not Satan's.
@Jacob Hulka indeed. This is the point of the Eden story, as Peterson has pointed out. God made us in His image, yet we are all fallen sinners--and this is a necessary part of being conscious, of knowing good and evil.
@Com Sense - Just as God is the source of righteousness, so Satan is the source of evil. Just as God works through those who are saved, so Satan works through those who reject God.
Dr Peterson, you’re absolutely brilliant ! May God Bless you !
Wow, I can’t get enough of these videos. Thank you!
Something that I think Peterson overlooks is Genesis 1:1: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” He skips over that straight to 1:2 to talk about how God defeated chaos and made order, but he ignores that God created the chaos first and then made order out of it. I think there’s a significance to that which he severely overlooks.
Running JPB simulator: "The act of creation by definition disrupts normal order, taking elements of what we are familiar with and making them new by using them in a way that defies our normal expectations, thus introducing chaos into order. But either one attempted by itself is simply chaos or order, lacking either the stability of rationality or else the freedom and strength of will required to break with convention. In the same way, God introduced both Adam and Eve into the Garden, knowing that our individual growth requires the chaos induced by interacting with another individual's perceptions. We could also perceive this idea as the introduction of male order to feminine creative chaos."
Chaos is something JP spends no shortage of time analyzing in ancient writings. He just wasn't talking about that particular bit this specific time around.
By overlooking the first verse it becomes conspicuous by it's absence. JP is well aware of who created everything, I'm sure. He was just pointing out what had to be done to separate the order from the chaos. Which points back to the scriptures in the first book written in the Bible, Job. I understand that Second Chronicles was the last book written of the Old Testament
Wonder what he would he'd say on Avatar the last air bender. Aang's and Zuko's stories is really deep
Jim MoeFoe aang + uncle Iroh is krishn; zuko is Arjun + karna. Katara = radha. Roughly speaking. 🟣🍀🙏🏻💯📚🌎🍀🟣 #bhagvadgita #jonsnow #uncleiroh #vishnuavatar
You are so clutch Archangel. Thank you.
I love his articulation of the different levels of meaning in text, that was very helpful.
Satan harassed Job, God allowed it to deepen his faith.
Yeap make him unbreakable because God just like Saints who believed in their worst time he cameback pick them up and gave them even more power than before
I don't know why God uses mere mortals to teach lessons with though.
Anna Vajda how else?
man, thats so wise! Wow Thank you
What doesn't break you makes you stronger.
Just absolutely incredible...
I just realized that JBP is using a laptop with a dragon on it.
Thank you Dr.Peterson, it was striking.You really are the best professor.
Literally my fav Bible Teacher
So awesome
He is neither a Bible history teacher or a theologian, but still enjoyable amd a pain in the date to materialistis fundamentalist.
Lately I've been feeling like Job. Im happy God is betting on me.
Hopefully you have better friends encouraging you than Job did.
I learn from Professor Peterson every day & I am blessed with further understanding, desire, improvement & most of all--the joy to give to others. Thank you, Sir
Goegeous....always been one of my favorite lectures.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the laptop. JP is so BA
I'm going to assume the dragon sticker is from skyrim because I'd like to believe my man JP is dragonborn
HIT ME
This quote from the Joker actor Heath Ledger from "The Dark Knight" made a huge impact on me and inspired me to create a philosophy. It helped me make peace with all of that. Through practices of all kinds. I have learned to love my trauma, my illness, my feelings, my thoughts, my conflicts, my life and ultimately my suffering. The hits are a fact of life and the key to enlightenment. A hit affects you, internally or superficially. Everyone and everything has this HIT ME side in it. HIT ME always works. And you will never be disappointed with this life expectation. Because something always hits you. Even if you don't want to be hit by something, it still hits you. Hence, it still works as a life expectation. It even works when positive things hit you. Like soft raindrops or a soap bubble. Same as joy or bliss. Hit me all the way, in any way, anyway (even if sometimes or often I don't want it). If you commit yourself to such an idea, you decipher the path to enlightenment. It is therefore a good reason to follow the path of loving our suffering. Because it brings you great benefits. From ourselves, when we don't want to be hit and don't want to take in the hits, to the desire to be hit and take in the hits. It always works, regardless of the form. Once one has developed a certain level of this practice, one masters the suffering and becomes truly enlightened. And for conflicts, but also that which hits us in general, I quote Bruce Lee: "I do not hit. It hits all by itself."
Wanting Not Wanting
Wanting and not wanting is a hypnotic spiral and by wanting not wanting, you get into the everchanging flow of yin and yang.
The Way Out Of The Abyss
Only when we can accept, what we want to let go, can we let go, of what we want to accept.
A peaceful mind is the cure for restlessness.
And love is the cure for a broken spirit.
Pain is strength in disguise waiting to be revealed. And it takes a lot of strength to cry. Because when we cry, we open ourselves to the pain we experience.
When all the waves are crashing down on you, there is faith to get you through. Express your belief in reality and believe in it. This is how you get through the waves.
We make mistakes because we are not perfect. And for this fact I am grateful that I make mistakes.
Remember that the solution to any problem, is the problem itself. It came into existence and it won't leave you.
A sacrifice for love is a sacrifice worth dying for. We don't have to undo the things we do wrong or have done wrong in life. We die for it and thus sacrifice ourselves for love.
Hence, die for your negative qualities. And live for your positive qualities. That is the sacrifice and the salvation of the human spirit.
The guilt we feel is the one that enslaves us. Only when we also remember our innocence are we free at the same time.
There is nothing in this universe that can harm a mad person. Except to make the mad person even more insane through harm.
When one is ready to take in all hits, in order to gain strength from them and at the same time is ready to pass on all the love out of compassion to others; one will be as strong as a demon and as compassionate as an angel. A demonic angel.
A victory can be achieved by resolving the battles within.
When you give up fighting yourself and instead start absorbing yourself; you will be invincible.
When you change the powers that hold you back, into the powers that hold your back, you will be unstoppable.
You are an example of what a human being is capable of. Use the hits as fuel for the ascent.
Because the greatest bliss is found when you make peace with your suffering. Because suffering is the root of blissfulness. If you love your suffering, blissfulness arises. And blissfulness is the key to heaven on earth.
When you conquer yourself by loving yourself, your fears, your pain and ultimately your suffering; then it will transform you and you will be reborn.
In order to overcome suffering, one must become suffering oneself.
Because when you are one with all, you are bound by nothing and therefore free from everything.
And by becoming one with suffering, you master it.
The journey to enlightenment is a process that involves a lot of suffering. But in the end, every moment of suffering will be worth it. Because choosing to suffer consciously is the springboard to enlightenment.
This is how you remember your origin and you begin to embody it.
Because where there is suffering, the love spark resides. And the fire is kindled where God or consciousness enters and spreads.
Become Ryu, the dragon. Become suffering. Have a relationship with the suffering (HIT ME) from sadness to madness. Want the not wanting. And become the suffering yourself, (HIT ME) and the hits. And Ryu, the dragon spreads its wings and rises with the darkening and the enlightenment. So the dragon finds the way out of the aby
J. Peterson help break free from the shackles of the human mind. I still get depressed and anxious from time to time but those moments are pivotal for my/our evolution
WOW! I must uphold the value of the group and trust the group will uphold the value within Me.
I don't know you but I sense YOU all around me. I am most humble and grateful for your CZcams videos and guiding me through my wretched soul to the higher source of me so that I may serve and grow. Grow and serve and heal along the way. I love you all so much. 💚💚💚💚⛎
JPB moving at full steam here. Inspiring.
"It's like _an_ ultimate suffering story" *
Yes doesn’t compare to Jesus literally sweating blood as he bore and felt the guilt of every sin man every committed Nd was mercilessly beaten and then Died slowly drowning in his own bodily fluids on the cross
Job can be called the ultimate suffering story if you qualify it by admitting Job was a mere mortal. Jesus Christ, on the other hand, is the greatest suffering story of all (read the comment below) even though some would say and rightfully so that Christ was God in the flesh. Keep in mind he was 100 percent God and 100 percent man. He was the propitiation (the only one) who could be our substitute for the payment of our sins. Christ born of a virgin did not inherit the sin nature that the rest of us did. He lived a sinlessly perfect life. We cannot due to our sinful nature. A dog is not a dog because he barks. Rather, he barks because he is a dog. We sin because we are sinners not vice versa. That's the bad news! The GOOD NEWS is Jesus saves us. Jordan Peterson is this generation's C.S. Lewis.
Jesus freed us from sin when He nailed it on the cross « sin shall not have dominion over you » ! We died in Christ through baptism and dead people are free from sin Amen! Jesus delivered me from alcohol, weed, sinful media, anger, sexual immorality... thanks to the Holy Spirit we can be born again and thus changed radically, and slave of righteousness instead of iniquity :))
JP your talks are amazing! I like your thinking very metaphysical! Reading & thinking through the issue is very gratifying to me. Thanks!!
This might sound weird to some of you, but the true purpose of Job is actually to teach people how to minister to those who are suffering. Or... More like how NOT to minister... 80% of the story is Job's wife 3 friends and "Elihu" (the prideful youngster) argue with Job and Jobs response to their terrible words. The ending 15% of the story is God rebuking everything that was said and punishing those who attempted to "comfort" Job. That means 5% introduces the situation but the other 95% is only dealing with the effectiveness of "comfort" from others.
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Another possible take-away for your consideration: the story of Job is all about learning to ask a better question.
When we're suffering we tend to sit down and ask "Why, why why?". Not only do we not always get satifactory answers, sometimes answers remain beyond us. So we're stuck sitting, scraping our sores with shards of pottery and going from bad to worse.
But everything turned around when Job changed the question from "Why?" to "How shall I proceed from here?".
The easy answer is that "God blessed and rewarded Job". But the more functional answer may be that from this alteration in Job's perspective came the ability to overcome everything, start from nothing, and flourish beyond one's greatest expectations.
Joy and peace!
Justin Warren it is also about the insanity of transactional theology. We want to believe that good things happen to good people and bad thing s happen to bad people, but that is not always the case in this life. Job’s “friends” had a transactional theology. Job suffered, so he must have sinned... the book reminds us that God is not transactional, and suffering produces understanding and isn’t directly connected to behavior.
"The Bible is not a book that men could write if they would or would if they could."
but men actually wrote this book so you're illogical
I started to realize this. Mankind's nature would not allow him to invent a God, such as the God of the bible.
We are too narcissistic to even come up with the 10 commandments. Hence why I've gone from atheist, to agnostic, to considering christianity.
We couldn't invent that book.
@@smalltownhomesteadAC I think it is highly suspect that the God the Jews "invented" spends about 600 pages talking about how the Jews constantly disobeyed him. Right from the beginning in Exodus, through Judges and the Kings, all the way until the last prophet. God promises good things for the Jews with punishments if they disobey him. So the Jews go right ahead and disobey him. Then God punishes them. They turn around and pray and he helps them. And the cycle repeats. Especially for the Jews, who went so far as to alter their flesh to show themselves apart from their Pagan neighbors, it seems odd to write a book that portrays the Jews in such an exclusively negative light.
If I were to invent a religion, it would be about how good I and my people are, and how happy our god is with us. The punishments would be reserved for my enemies. The blessings would go to me. I would win battles, not lose them. That was certainly the pattern in the religions of the ancient Near East.
I won't say that alone is proof of divine inspiration -- but it's proof enough that it's not an ordinary book.
@@josephbrandenburg4373 seems to me you've completely misunderstood the message of the torah. the whole idea of the jews being disobedient and being punished by god again and again is to teach people to fear and love him. it's a cautionary tale in some ways, meant to teach people about morals and ethics.
@@bobcock990 That's your interpretation. Besides, I was referring to the entire Old Testament.
Thank you for this!
Thank you thank you Lord for Dr. Jordan Peterson, Amen.
That last part of the different spirits of order, the superorder between them two, explains way a "group base" economic tesis is weaker to an "individual based" economic
This man's knowledge is beyond extraordinary
God is not describing what he defeted but what he created. The entire chapter is about the glory of God seen through his creation.
Reminds me of my literature classes. I loved them so much...
Great video. Thank you TheArchangel911. Including the link to the full lecture would have been awesome.
I usually pin the link to the top comment. Very rarely will people see that I flash the title to the lecture on the screen for 10 seconds in every video
I learned more here than I ever did at university
Godamn nice story time. by the suffering ive encountered i related to jobs alot.
Stunning... I have often read job but I never understood it this way... the implications are stunning
Dune. The Bene Gesserit cannot endure Chaos, only the Kwisatz Haderach, who creates Order within Chaos.
12:38 "he's the spirit that cleeee"
lol
Existential Squid little “r” sound at the end too lol
He is indeed!
Playback at .25 speed
I love his talks
As bad as his Biblical exegesis is, he has some amazing points that relate to it. Trying to find texts that fit in his meaning rather than get meaning out of the text in this case, but the related profundities are powerful. I love Jordan Peterson and the insight he gives into human culture and the human mind. Not at all your average psychology stuff.
The truth of the bible is that its interpretations are infinite and personal.
It's always interesting hearing an outsider's perspective on the Bible. It's obvious Dr. Peterson doesn't believe it's true in the way a Christian does, but ti's admirable that he's honest and recognizes that the Bible is a unique document that deserves serious respect.
That's why we call it the Living Word or the "rhema"the spoken words that proceeds from the mouth of God, HIS VOICE that commanded the light to BE in the void
I really like Jordan
I wish I got ONE day to talk to him and learn from him
4:05 me trying to explain the MCU to my coworkers
If Jordan was my Sunday school teacher, I'd probably would have paid much more attention.
Amazing !
So are YOU
Really enjoy hear about the Bible and peoples understanding of it. Amen to all
If I don’t have a psychology teacher like this in college I’ll have to reconsider my major
Any reading I can do to get a better understanding of what he's taking about. I'm 18 and really hope one day I can follow along completely with Jordans lectures
study bible
Feel like im dying. All the time. And in some aspect i am. But these help. These keep my mind focused on the other.
Wow
My mind is now in a million pieces after this lecture
I wonder if, during his bouts of depression, he has a Jordan Peterson-like figure that can he can gain insight from. Can't imagine too many people can relate to him, intellectually. Could be very lonely.
He could always read C S Lewis. Books like Screwtape Letters and The Problem of Pain. Very good company for a lonely intellectual.
As Jadis of Charn and Andrew Ketterley put it, in the most proud and haughty sense, ”Ours is a high and lonely destiny.”
in 8:40 he is saying Marduk and Tiamat if someone was wondering. I couldnt understand at first.
Yep. These are ancient gods. I believe Messapotamians. In genesis God created the void/waters which is where the leviathan lived. Also known as Tiamat. So God creating this means He's above these other gods... I heard this in my studies and was intrigued due to my passion for D&D...
it is a reference to the Babylonian Mythology Enuma Elish from 12th century BC. It is occupies the same space as the Epic of Gilgamesh and other major stories of Pre-Abrahamic religions and the source of the initial references as well as the named nature of the Leviathan.
@@JadeMRE
Temat isnt god
you are a great teacher
Being highly introspective is a great tool FYI understanding where you values/beliefs lie in this realm
Would love to see his take on the warhammer 40k lore. Man that would be epic.
I'm compelled to comment on the book of Job. First, it's not actually a bet or a wager between Satan and God. It's the articulation of a test for Job himself. Think about it, If God can't look upon Sin and Satan is Sin then, how can God meet with Satan? It means that God Sees all things in creation. Job was tested so he himself would see that his Faith was truely immovable, that his own intuition and reason was right, and that he should trust it because, it is True. That's why Satan is translated as adversary, and that is also why the birth of Satan comes from the intity Lucifer, the Morning Star. In other words, God created Lucifer to come to us, and teach us what we need too learn to progress, and become more independent too survive, and Truely Walk With God.
In addition, God asks Cain before he kills his brother Able, "If what you have sacrificed to Me is sufficient in your own mind, why do you need me to validate it's worth?" He is saying to us that if we Believe what we are doing is Good, and that's the True intention in our Hearts then, it's Good and worthy to God. God just had to test Cain for Cains sake. Cain failed the test but, it was because Cain didn't understand yet. So, instead of killing Cain, when God heard Ables blood crying out from the ground, God sent Cain away. It wasn't God's intention for Cain to kill his brother but, because Cain had choices he chose too fall prey to his resentment.
Second, from our mortal perspective, we see these acts by God as cruel and tyrannical, which is based on our propensity to become subjects to our pain. This is why God tells Job he has no grounds to question Him because, Job doesn't understand why he is being tested. In the Book of Genisis, it's said that we ate from The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil, and became like god's. However, we were prevented from eating The Fruit from The Tree of Life thus, keeping us mortal. This refers to our slow progression into being's that can co-create. Being's that can accompany God, reason with Him, and be companion's. For what is a companion that lacks the freedom to choose too stay? It's wrong too think Angels don't have Free Will because, how could Lucifer "rebel" if that's in fact what actually happened, which I doubt, through reason. Angel's choose to be with God, Demon's choose to serve as chaos,
And Human's are between, until we choose. The word Angel interestingly enough translates to son's of God. The point in all of what I've said is to articulate Gods intention to help us become more than just beasts of the Earth, rather, god's ourselves, and by choosing to eat The Fruit, we chose to die. That's as far as my reasoning has lead me for now but, through experience and more Conversations I'm sure that it will develop farther, and maybe even in different directions.
I welcome others thoughts on this, and anything else one has on their Heart to discuss. So far, the only thing that I've found in this life that's Truely moving is seeking Wisdom, so please lend me yours, if you care too.
I'm a revert to Islam, and we believe this as well. Our trials in life are test. My test have drawn me closer to The Most High.
We must also consistently seek knowledge, and stand up for what's right.
Shanikka Harrison,
Well spoken!
Geoffrey G thank you!
The book of Job is my favorite book in the Bible. Although I haven't read the entire Bible lml
Do u know where I can find this lecture in it's entirety?
Shanikka Harrison,
Job is a very good book, it's among my favorites as well.
I do not know exactly where the full lecture is however, you can try looking on his website? It's hyperlinked below the video.
Geoffrey G thanks!
But I checked out the website to no avail. Lml
Insha Allah, I'll get to 1 of his lectures 1 day. Although I'm a Muslim, I'm not opposed to gaining insight from someone else's perspective. May our Lord make it easy for you.
brilliant
Fantastic explanation. I can‘t wait until I finally meet this man in person
The sumarian Kings were often depicted as great hunters including gilgamesh who was a demi god so it might tie to that
How often we overlook that all belongs to God. 6:31.
I love hearing the plethora of the metaphysical that Peterson talks about in religion and I also participate in having a spirituality in alignment to Christianity.
Not everything is black and white. It’s so much more grey and learning about so many things while still having faith in the Creator is so humbling.
The ending image was a nice touch.
Amen
the ultimate suffering story:
one handed man hanging onto the edge of a cliff and his balls itch
No suffering here, just scratch
@@ThisIsSolution
and falls to his death
good one lol
@@therearenoshortcuts9868 dying is better than having itchy balls.
_ThisIsSolution_
Actually, I think suffering by annoyance is maddening, like a gnat buzzing in your ear. Balls itch may be a small thing but over time it's maddening lol.
I wish I could ask Dr.peterson how is that picture produced, like with what sort of a program, that image just screams HARMONY!
I’ve been living my Job experience for years now. Pray that my breakthrough gets here very soon😭
One i make my millions.. Im gonna meet him and he is gonna be my mentor
I find myself following what he's saying at any given moment, but not always able to relate it to the broader point that he's making. Ironically enough, this is exactly his point at the beginning of the video when he states that the meaning (of a some literary work I guess) is within the words, sentences, paragraphs, chapters, the literary work as a whole and the inter-relatedness (is that a real word?) between the sentences, paragraphs, etc... I find that I can understand his sentences, but I guess I'm not quick enough to see how it supports his broader point. Several times I accused him of rambling, but thought it'll all be clearer if i watch it again. Does anyone feel this way?