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“They are basically the same but completely different”
They all vibrate air but each does it differently
I feel interrogated
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Sir Patrick Stewart says “THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!”
lol... that's funny
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Man after watching your new videos i came here and i can notice how much of an improvement you have made in everything about your channel, congrats.
OMG, those lights, my eyes
Been in this industry for long but I'm still surprised at how much I can still learn. Great vid as always.
I'm still amazed on how the hell Josh does not have at leat A MILLION more subscribers... This guy is a "no-bullshit" audiophile! His videos are awesome, information is concise and his opinions make sense. Amazing!
Awesome video it would be very interesting to see you redo this now that you have all the knowledge you have gained in the past 3 years
Watching old school Josh, really cool to see how much your content has progressed
Your videos are really good dude.
Big Surf thanks dude! I appreciate it!
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Great content, but the lighting is not very good. Pretty distracting. Not trying to be an ass, just letting you know.
your right and i think he did it so you wouldn't concentrate to hard on the technical mistakes of the lesson.
Would it be possible to also explain how your hair works? thanks
In one ear...out the other ear...
But I'm wearing headset...so information will be retained 😂🤣😂😂
Great tutorial mate, just getting into high end headphones and frothing
Thank you this was really easy for a laymen to understand
my wfey just bought me the audeze lcd-x. i'e wanted them for four years, and my mind was blown
hmm, open back headphones means that the back of the cups are open. The other side of the cup can be sealed and still be called open back. SoO the sound can still bounce around inside.
Try some of your planar headphones. push the cups towards your ears hard and quick enough and you can hear the driver crinkle. this wouldnt happen if the air was allowed to escape
Shining a light through a planar headphone doesnt demonstrate that its acoustically transparent. the material on that particular headphone just happens to be transparent (or somewhat transparent).
what you just did was like; shining light through a glass window and claiming its acoustically transparent.
Like dnalekaw mentioned below, sound pressure isnt all about driver excursion. its about how much surface area is moving the air. a planar driver being larger in surface area can achieve the same sound pressure level as a dynamic driver with less excursion. Bass response on better planar drivers measure near flat all the way past 20hz, so yeah, they can do bass.
Subbed and liked on first video itself
Thanks to this video,
I learned something more 😊
I really appreciate the information you presented which was clear, detailed, and thorough on this abstruse topic.
i think your hair is electrostatic here. great video
Lmfaooo
Another great vid thanks. Koss ESP950 are very well reviewed budget electrostatic "ear speakers", cheaper than many planar headphones (Mr speakers, audeze etc.). They are worth looking at to round out a collection. After Sennheiser showing off their closed HD820 I predict they will release open and closed planar headphones. Edit: what are your thoughts (or impressions) on closed planar like the ether flow c or the upcoming monolith 1060c?
What about balanced armature drivers
Crazy technology! thanks for the explanation!
That was a very very good explanation. Great video
Great explanation, thank you sir!
@5:30 looks like the Kanto YU4. I have a pair behind me I am selling at our next garage sale. I do not like the sound of the Kevlar cone material. They sound decent though. Thanks for the video explanation. I wanted a refresher on how my planar magnetic Audeze Maxwells (at twice the price) are different then my wifes Razer wireless traditional dynamic driver.
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What about electrostatics? Are the diaphragms used on electrostats similar to those on planars? (As in it moves more air than the dynamic)
dnalekaw Thanks for the clarification. I really wonder why headphones don’t incorporate more drivers in them? Like how a traditional three-way studio loudspeaker is designed? I can imagine a large driver with a mid and a tweeter overlaid in front and to the side of it. Like a Venn diagram, with different sizes and angles applied to the drivers? With in-headphone amps becoming smaller, better and cheaper, it seems like there could be a much more sophisticated design applied to the way power is delivered and managed. I saw a pair of headphones reviewed that incorporated a passive “woofer,” but it seemed a little hokey. I think it’d take a company with the money and resources of Sennheiser, for example, put it all together.
@@dasaauto2024 driver matching, Phasing, timing, disturbances between drivers, different sound radiation patterns, impedance considerations, weight. A single driver is adequate in reproducing all frequencies already. Essentially, all the answers u need are the exact opposite of the advantages of a single driver home speaker.
Thank you
Where can I find some planar or electrostatic headphones to listen to? Most stores only carry dynamic.
Josh, you're the boss. One of the greatest persons on CZcams.
Wow, great video man. Learned a lot
I was looking for fancy animation to explain it but this will do.
Thanks for the amazing video !!!
Hi Josh! this video was super informative! thank you :)
You've come a long way from using lights behind you pointed at the camera. Oh my goodness, what were you thinking lol
Excellent explanation!!
You do an excellent breakdown of headphone speakers. I know more about loud speakers that’s headphones. Seeing how each design or style of headphones has pros and cons. Has anyone designed a headphone or loudspeaker which uses the best of all three build types. Like electrostatic for the tweeter, planar for the mid range speaker then dynamic for the woofer. With your break down of the build types a speaker with all three styles would produce the best sound reproduction. Not to mention probable cost a fortune. Has that been done or just not economical?
Thanks for the video! Keep up!
🥰 thanks for the awesome information
i cant watch because the lights are killing me
Same bro oh a HDR monitor those lights are killing me
@@debsattam1 The video isn't in hdr though
holy fuck those lights
MAN you've come a long way in terms of production quality lmao
That's not to say this video isn't already good, but compared to whether you out out nowadays... ;)
Josh, how about an update on this topic? So many IEMs are now planar (and I find them shrill and harsh). Would appreciate your explanation and thoughts. Thanks.
yosi horikawa has some great tracks for expirience the the sound espetially with wide sound stage headphones
Breaking Benjamin is cool too lol
Unfortunately, most of his works are recorded binaurally.
This is awesome for that soundstage experience yes, but a horrible test for headphones natural open-ness.
1:32 - When the ribbon, planar, electrostatic, and/or a moving coil transducer/driver within a set of reputable head phones (or speakers) are asked to simultaneously reproduce a high frequency and a low frequency signal what really happens is called "time averaging".
As, clearly both frequencies (not to mention the thousands of other frequencies that exist at any 1 time within normal listening music) the ribbon/other transducer can’t possibly perform this feat and reproduce the same signals simultaneously, and therefore time averaging occurs.
To minimize time averaging we (professional loudspeaker engineers) apply techniques such as frequency and amplitude division.
Luckily for us that our ears - despite how remarkable they are at detecting small/large nuances of sound - are basically (I am trying to keep it simple with these terms) immune to most reasonable levels of time averaging - provided the source material is complex enough so that it has multiple frequencies/pitches within it and no 2 sounds alone can be individually detected (to be time averaging to the listener) by the listener at the expense of the others.
Kim Shaw
Electronic Engineer
Electrical Engineer
PhD Electroacoustics.
Great vid, thanks!!
What sounds natural? Planar dynamic or electrostatic?
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let's simplify things a bit in terms of comparison, because how they work, You can't beat a piezo electric driver in low frequencies(taket h2), If you are ready to pay 5k$+ electrostatic headphones are just better at everything, cheap models&high-end electrostatic models with average amps will lack sound stage & bass but with good amps which can swing high voltage peak to peak (for example 1500Vpp) those can solve these problems. Keep in mind however, electrostatic headphones have an ethereal sound signature, their sound signature is like holographic presentation of the real instead of the physical representation. They are different, make sure you try them first before you consider buying. Ribbon drivers has the speed of electrostatic headphones, has the sound stage of planars and the impactful bass of dynamic drivers. The downside is that they require INSANE amount of amplification to work, 200W per channel at 8ohm for example. They sound a bit too thin & crisp also time to time.
when you buy a pair of headphones, you don't only pay for the product & material used in the build, you pay mostly to the engineers who made the calculations involved in the making of the product. Dynamic driver calculations are relatively simpler compared to planars & electrostatic. I find dynamic driver headphones to be outdated, if you have enough budget go for planars or electrostatic headphones. I myself use STAX sr007 with KGSSHV carbon amp. (hoping to get RAAL SR1A soon)
It is less about the driver type technology and more about the implementation.
So why do my LetShouer S12 IEMs create better bass than my Phillips SHP9500
Very well explained. Thanks.
I've never heard a dynamic headphone that matches the bass reach and quantity of the bassier planars. Some of those things are such bass monsters that I'm not convinced we'll ever see a dynamic beat them. When it comes to larger diaphragms IN GENERAL? Sure. I am team big woofer all day with speakers. There is no replacement for displacement. I don't understand the obsessions with itty bitty kilobuck speakers that will inevitably suffer greatly in the low end. I don't care what flowery words people want to attatch to it. They don't have the impact and viscerality of big honkin woofers or even horn-loaded compression drivers. That's me. It's just not even close. a 5" woofer will never have command over bass like a 12 will. Big dynamic drivers do bass exceptionally well. The key word being BIG.
And that all STILL rings true in headphones... meaning, with headphones, we're talking about dynamic drivers roughly around the size of a half-dollar. Not much bigger than a tweeter, which though designed differently, face a lot of the same limitations. Maybe even less because they're not running full-range like a dynamic headphone driver - something else worth considering, you can only tune them to have so much bass before IMD eviscerates the highs OR you need to make changes to the coil that will negatively impact treble to keep the driver from just bursting into flames when the coil overheats.
It would need to have exceedingly high excursion to output the deepest bass at audible levels. Those bass waves are very, very big... like dozens of feet long from peak to null. To produce them you need either a very large diaphragm or at least a medium-sized one with extremely high excursion. Headphone drivers, even the "big" 50mm simply aren't up to it, physically. And past that point, you are running into other problems due to the physics of wideband operation. The bigger the widebander, the tougher treble and upper mids get to hold together. So it's a pretty hard wall when it comes to how much bass dynamic headphone drivers can reasonably made to output on their own. We're talking yet unseen levels of rigidity, durability, and damping to make that work. The bass performance on dynamics is thus pretty predictable. IME they tend to lack that last bit of low end, but can slam a little more in the mid-bass - it's usually a little patchy, whereas a planar just grabs the whole bass spectrum and tells it what's what ;)
My th900 mk2 fostex can produce so much bass that im shocked. My planar headphones cant do that and i check this on meze empyrean, he arya, audeze lcd2, audeze lcd3
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oh god very great explanation, im subs
Does anyone make a headphone that has a hybrid of all the different types for the best of their class performance in one?
planars produce better bass then dynamics
@Supre Ive found the punchy behaviour of dynamics, is due to improper resolution in the bass. But thats my view. But then again, the planars i've heard have been a step above the dynamics i've heard, on almost every level. So perhaps not a fair comparison.
Those lights.
Tks bro good stuff
Nice OLED burnin Test video
I stumbled upon this old Josh video, and I still can’t believe he said Aud-“ease” lol. But yeah, I guess it could happen…
why the lights tho
Come a long way in your video production.
Why the heck you're the only one doing this in the right way? Good work! Thanks.
tnx 4 the songs, nice experience
in short mechanisms is different
but based on principle of vibrations
@3:07 is the phase the same on inside and outside?
Do planar magnetic headphones require an energizer? Would be kinda cumbersome for taking it with me to the local coffee shop (but then again, it might let in some environmental sounds)
BTW, the lighting isn't bad. Seems to help me stay focused on you a bit (instead of seeing what you have at your pad)
Nice video, but why did you put the lights behind you?
Dynamic headphones are the Best overall, and thats because of the price
nice video
What about closed planar? OPPO PM-3, for example.
Low voltage electrets?
Animated graphics definitely would have helped.
Very smart.
Looking at an old video, Joshua seems depressed. I don't think I've seen him talk about it.
Planars and Electrostatics won't take a lot of abuse. I'm an electric bass player, and I've never seen a bass guitar cabinet that uses anything but a dynamic cone driver. Sure some extended range cabs will use a piezoelectric speaker for the tweeter. Now I'm not saying nobody has ever made one, a bass cab with a planar or electrostatic driver, but I've never seen one, or heard of one.
Can't say much about electrostatics, but planars are indeed more fragile due to how the magnets are set up, they're always under strain, due to being forced in position where the magnetic poles are opposite, so the magnets themselves are always pushing each other, so if you introduce a bit of shock, that strain increases exponentially due to the constant magnetic force... once a magnet cracks, the leverage holding them in position is gone, pieces fly everywhere, re-arrange themselves according to the magnetic poles, absolutely shredding the membrane etc, it's a mess.
So it makes perfect sense. :)
Which one is fastest
Thanks for the explanation! If I understood correctly, plannar magnetic headphones offers more room for sound to leak out, resulting in a more precise sound signature over dynamic open headphones. Can we consider plannar magnetics to be very good for gaming too then? (identifying ennemy position etc). Also, I really like bass headphones, can open back headphones deliver great punchy bass too?
Yes, that is generally correct. Although not every planar will be more precise than every dynamic, there’s still a huge variance within each sub category of driver type. Planars are fantastic for gaming, very immersive experience and wonderful imaging + soundstage.
If you want punchy bass and open sound, audeze lcd line is fantastic.
@@vangledosh Alright thank you :D they are kinda out of budget but I get the overall idea
THERE ARE TWO LIGHTS!
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Thanks You saved years ....of Research Time
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Is this a good idea to buy the audeze EL-8 ? Which is a closed planar magnetic driver
I'm no expert but I think if you're going for the planars, open back is kinda the point, by having a closed back you'll be narrowing the soundstage and this; 7:23.
It's easy math the: dynamic driver will definitely damage your ears XD
I haven't listened to too many (o_o)phones, but so far the OG type of driver, dynamic, reproduces sounds in the most realistic and natural way. That means I will gladly deal with the inherent quirks (bass rolloff, something you forgot to mention, and uneven treble) when searching for my dream. Dynamic 4 Lyfe basically.
I disagree, having a higher end planar magnetic has such a low noise floor, and has clear depth and range compared to a dynamic.
is the Electrostatic Drivers magnetic?
no they arent
Sounds like planer and electrostatic headphones are not my thing regardless if I had the money. I have fairly eclectic music tastes and on top of that, I don't like the rest of the room to hear what I am listening to.
Whyyyyyyyy why this lights? 😭😭😭
why you're not verified.
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There are 4 lights!
You're mistaken. There are 5.
excuse me, may I use some of your videos to translate and share for my group of friends
Glad you stopped filming with lights pointing directly at the camera; I can't look at this without wincing
a headphone without base is like a planar woman
I know this is an older video; but would really appreciate a reply/your-thoughts: I've heard than planar headphones have a durability issue. Is that the case &/or what are the general (there's always the exceptions, of course; level of quality/product or whatever... what's the average) durability differences among these three? Thanks!
I've owned planars for some time and I can't say I've ever experienced any durability issues with the driver. If there's ever going to be issues with planar headphones, it has nothing to do with the technology itself and everything to do with poor build quality on the manufacturer's part. To be clear, I'm not talking about poor quality within the planar itself, but everything else (headband, ear cups, etc.) One planar comes to mind when thinking about poor build quality and that's the Monoprice Monolith M1060... Literally everything about it is junk except for the sound quality it produces lol.
I own the M1060, Hifiman HE4XX, and the Hifiman Sundara... I very much prefer the Sundara. Had the M1060 not beed so terrible, I wouldn't have felt the need to buy the Sundara because there's not a huge difference between sound quality, but I'm so glad I did because it is actually better in every way IMO.
Nice video, I understand that you are talking about deep bass from a Subwoofer, a system dedicated to making bass, but I don't understand why you say that a dynamic driver is good at doing just that and the Planar is not....headphones like LCDx or AB-1266 they can make a much deeper bass than any dymanic headphone. So why is deep bass in planar headphones so good when it wouldn't be good to make a planar subwoofer?
i think you should redo this video. It was one of the first videos of yours that i saw (a few months ago) and it didn't give me a first impression that is consistent with the high quality of your typical video so it put me off from your channel, until now
Word on *this* : Quite Interesting *topic* , combined with lowest production values of *any* of the *two dozen* videos of yours that I have watched. One comment above stated this happened by chance to be the *first* vid of yours they came across. “ *Ruh-Roh* ”-Scooby Doo
Dynamic drivers also come in the form of open acoustic design, e.g sennheiser HD600, philips fidelio X2, and the list goes on. so your explanation as a benefit for planner magnetic or static membrane in that regard is not correct. second, the speaker designer may design the speaker element with an acoustic absorbent material behind and around the driver to dampen most of the reflections. third, music instrument as we all know have resonant chambers made usually from wood like piano, drums and guitars. the resonant chamber is placed there for a reason. in the music world we do want some time resonant chambers and some headphones and speakers are designed with that Technic implemented. usually to balance the response curve. The professional world will use Dynamic drivers rather than the other two method simply because considering all aspects: efficiency, dynamics: spectrum, and cost - they are the best combination of all merits.
you will not find professional studio equipment made from other types of drivers than Dynamic drivers, that tells us a lot.
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you don't want the resonance of the headphone you want the resonance of the sound playing in the headphone.. you act like you know your stuff but you dont..
Too much technical will stick with dynamic drivers
Josh, that was academic shit grade, awsome, you could defenitly be a teacher bro. Really Nice educated explanation.
Less on talking let us hear how they sounds
Bad lighting btw