how quitting your job makes you money
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We have all heard the advice that loyalty is dead and that if you want to make more money, you need to quit your job regularly, but is it true and how does it actually work? In this video, Sabrina explores the Great Resignation and rounds up data on 1,300 jobs to make a game that shows you how much you could be making.
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Video Editing by Joe Trickey
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 taha keeps me humble
00:16 this show has been out for weeks OOPS
01:12 the millennials killed job loyalty rip (sike)
02:00 does this count as product placement?
02:36 sabrina beefs with academic writing, a tangent
03:05 How Quitting your Job Makes You More Money
04:42 i am not an expert; i am barely literate tbh
06:45 The Great Resignation, Explained
08:39 i was hungry so this is what yall get
10:19 How to Maximize Your Bargaining Power
11:15 an ambitious plan that will definitely not go wrong
12:42 it goes wrong
13:56 ALWAYS LOOK AT THE FULL DATASET YOU FOOL
15:07 I am a US Bureau of Labour Statistics stan
15:50 web dev will give u covid, confirmed (/joke)
17:30 taha keeps me HUMBLE
18:25 we have no idea what we're doing
19:02 taha begins his feud with astronomers
21:46 astronomers, get him
22:02 melissa and sabrina struggle with valuing their labour
22:10 taha struggles with being a gremlin
22:46 Should you join the Great Resignation?
BIBLIOGRAPHY
Wage Growth in Australia: Lessonsfrom Longitudinal Microdata (2019). Andrews et al. Australian Government Treasury.
Job switching and wage growth for low-income workers (2020). Kirkup and Petrie. Social Market Foundation.
Job switching and wage growth (2015). Faberman and Justiniano. The Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.
Has the willingness to work fallen during the COVID pandemic (2022). Faberman, Mueller, Sahin. National Bureau of Economic Research.
The Cyclicality of Job-to-Job Transitions and It's Implications for Aggregate Productivity (2013). Mukoyama. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System International Finance Discussion Papers.
Knowledge Pays (2020). Orly Lobel. Columbia Law Review.
The ‘Great Resignation’ goes global (2021). Ishaan Tharoor. The Washington Post Today’s WorldView.
‘The Great Resignation’ Misses the Point (2021). Kathryn Hymes. Wired.
Rent sharing and wages (2007). Pedro S. Martins. Reflets et perspectives de la vie économique.
Searching for job security and the consequences of job loss (2021). Jarosch. NBER.
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As a teacher, quitting will lose you money big time usually. Once you pass the 5-10 years of experience mark (depending on the district), you become "too expensive" to hire and can't find a job if you choose to quit. I have a teacher friend with 10 years of experience who is moving (within the state) and can't find a job due to this. Unfortunately, in my state, the teaching shortage is in math, not science which is what she teaches, so she's out of luck!
Thank you for pointing this out - each industry definitely has their own nuances that could be entire videos.
- Sabrina
...This maybe explains why so many of the teachers at my cheap school district hung on at that school. (The district pays significantly less than in other districts in the area.)
Ouch. That's the consequence of public funds drying up - the highest earners would never be re-hired. And the market rate in private schools is about half of public school pay, depending on the area.
Sounds like your teacher friend needs to look into going into the administration side of things or commuting to their same school.
One of my teachers would commute close to 100 miles a day plus toll charges to continue working at my school.
That’s why it pisses me off when people say to “just get a better job.” That “advice” doesn’t help if nobody is hiring you!
I got my current salary because I asked for $100,000. I asked for that much because I didn't want to go back to work so I threw out a number so large I didn't think I could get it. TURNS OUT people are desperate for anyone who knows anything about CRM data management. So Taha's Gremlin Energy method actually pays out.
I'm imagining the interview went like this:
"We want an employee who's not afraid to take risks."
"I want you to pay me a hundred grand."
"You're hired!"
I can confirm people are the same kind of desperate if you know anything about work management systems. Did the same thing, same results.
omg I also work in CRM data management. Perhaps I should use the same method? lol
Hahahahaha cool
This sounds like a buddy of mine. Left one company for another, on good terms. He jokingly tells an old coworker either just before or right after he transitioned that he’d do contract work for them for a rate he considered ridiculous, plus a bunch of extras like 2 weeks extra vacation, etc etc., and he gets a call from his old CEO a few days later asking if he was serious, because they’d do it 😂
My recommendations after 5 years of work experience:
- Most colleagues are not your friends, pick wisely!
- Get everything on mail, just to have proof! Ask others to put orally discussed topics on mail.
- Never work unpaid overtime, not to proof yourself, not to meet deadlines. Your boss and colleagues will only abuse it!
- If you've to work overtime for an urgent deadline, yet your boss doesn't want to pay or compensate set overtime, then the deadline isn't urgent enough.
- The more experience, the higher the wage. Juniors should not work overtime, it's above their responsibility and pay-grade!
- If a boss screams at you, tell them they're unprofessional and disrespectful, then walk out.
- Find a job near your house, to avoid long commutes!
- Try to become a freelancer, to get rid of bad bosses...
In my experience, if you go freelance, you just switch out bad bosses with bad customers. Customers don't know what they want, then blame you for not delivering what they wanted and expecting you to deliver on goodwill. The difference is not really in how you are treated, you just trade job safety against necessary self-marketing and a wider salary range.
@@Blex_040 Sure, there are a lot of bad customers. Just like there are a lot of bad bosses.
What makes the difference for me is freedom of choice.
Stuck with a bad boss at your day job? Enjoy being around him 5 days a week, until one of you both quits their job.
Stuck with a bad customer or client?
Complete their project as fast as possible, get out and find another customer, never look back again.
I've one really annoying customer that I don't want to work for anymore. I doubled my hourly rate for them, they still came back. Then tripled it, yet they kept returning with more work for me to do. Added a 30% rush tax to their latest bill, because they gave me work on Friday which had to be done by Monday.
The bad bosses I had in the past, where testing how far they could push me.
As a freelancer, I'm the one who's testing how far I could push this bad customer.
On the freelance question it's definitely a matter of both preference and career though. I am in a career path where I could probably make more money both job hopping and contracting, but I love the security of my job, plus the work is pretty good and meaningful and the benefits are great (I work in the public sector so things are often different to private). However I can totally see someone that values the freedom and money more going contracting in my same position. There's way more of a risk as you could end up with no work for a few months, and for me that guarantee of a salary is worth way more than what I could get if I had a successful freelance career. Definitely something each person needs to weigh up for themselves!
@@AdamGaffney96 Where I live, about 30 to 45% of your income goes towards tax.
The tax is automatically deducted from each monthly wage, for salary workers.
Tax is only calculated on yearly profits for businesses, three or five year based bonuses are excluded from taxation.
Thus (for example):
A salary worker who earned 100k has to pay 40% or 40k in tax, thus keeps 60k for himself.
The freelancer with equal income doesn't want to pay as much tax, thus they leave as much money in their business as possible. They therefor pay themselves a minimum wage of 12k a year, resulting in a 30% or 3.6k tax payment a year. The freelancer want's to avoid company tax as wel, thus they reinvest all company profits to artificially lower their yearly income to almost zero. They're then taxed a certain percentage of tax, on a value of zero (which equals no tax at all). They can then sell their companies investments after 3 or 5 years, to gift themselves a very spicy taxfree CEO bonus. With a yearly income of 100k, minus their 12k yearly wage, this would be 440k after only 5 years without their investments increasing in value.
So in short, after 5 years:
- The salary worker has paid 200k (5x40k) in tax, whilst keeping 300k (5x60k) for themselves.
- The freelancer has paid 18k (5x3.6k) in tax, whilst keeping 482k for themselves (42k in wage, 440k in taxfree bonus).
Yes, this is completely legal where I live! There is absolutely no incentive in this country, to be a salary worker. Yet most people decide to become a salary worker, for unknown reasons. That besides having one salary worker as a family member, to compensate for the first 3 to 5 years minimum wage.
@@timmy7201where do you live?
The argument I've heard for switching jobs every 3 years is something that's not mentioned in this video. Allegedly, most employers don't implement regular-enough pay raises with accordance to inflation. So after 3 years, the pay of a worker is lagging behind what they should actually be earning. As they switch jobs, the new employer offers a salary that is much more in line with the inflation that's happened. It is more money, technically, though in reality it's the same buying power. By switching jobs, one can keep earning effectively the same and not fall behind. At least that's what I was told, dunno how much truth there is in it.
I’d believe it. Even in my current job, where we have annual performance reviews/ raises, the raise is usually about the same as inflation (2-6% per year). So while I make decently more than when I started 5 years ago dollarwise, it’s actually pretty much the same in terms of my personal cost of living and I haven’t really changed my lifestyle, started buying more expensive things, etc. at all since I started working there.
pay rises dont come because of inflation tey come by showong dedication and hard working skill u havebto earn the raise not just get it thn u learn noth8ng from the expirience by quitting and starting ober
@@onyxwolfarias6523 both can be true at the same time. Pay rise caused by inflation, but only the hard working ones receive it. No wonder so many look for a new job
@@onyxwolfarias6523 Ehhhhhhhhhh. Except companies won't even do that sometimes. They ought to have to keep up with inflation with raises IMO, especially at the lower end of pay.
@@onyxwolfarias6523 people do get raises because of inflation. It's called cost of living raises.
An academic here: the articles are written badly because academics are not writers! They're students pretending to be a professor that are forced to write down their ideas (often badly) in a way that mirrors a template that was written by their predecessors (i.e., also badly), in order to seem publishable among people doing the same thing. I wish I could say I was not leaning into the chaos but... publish or perish, as they say!
Control click and look for synonyms to simple words OH YES. ‘Try’ don’t you mean ‘ENDEAVOR?’
i loved reading this comment bc TRANSPARENCY
Also because stupid plagiarism checkers like turnitin marks random phrases from the internet or even fragments that are unrelated as being plagiarised, after changing every few words with awkward synonyms trying to get it within the limit hurts
"It is for this reason, that I personally believe, after extensive research, from which I have just presented to you in this paper, that it is reasonable to believe that wearing clothing upon one's limbs will, indeed, make the interaction lack any form of homosexuality". (Me, 2022)
@Carson Brown What is your paper on?? It sounds pretty interesting!
Theres a new law in Europe this August stating that salary must be posted in job descriptions. Should help immensely
Not really. The jobs with interesting pay are not posted anyway. The recruitment process is outsourced to headhunters.
Which country of Europe or is it European Union regulation.
@@vulgoalias4050 it'll for sure help people in the early stages of their career
@@vulgoalias4050 Not all jobs have to be interesting. A job as a cleaner or cook are equally valid jobs and knowing what you’re applying for helps.
@@mutabazimichael8404 yeah it's EU regulation
It's interesting that this whole video was about the bargaining power of workers but never once took into consideration their best bargaining power: unions.
LITERALLYYY
Not an anti-union shrill
The issue is that most Unions require you to work for a certain number of months before you are protected, not to mention that if you want to start a Union you need a number of Senior or Tenured employees, so, if there is a massive rotation of employees, you might never start a Union in the first place
I'm in the UA best decision I ever made.
Because unions are useless to workers and are more of a liability than an asset to the working class. That is, unless you live in a "right to work" state where you don't have to pay the union to work a union job. I'm not anti-union per se, but I am against the institution of unions where it is now a business rather than a worker action.
True
I find it shocking and kind of scammy that companies are not required to disclose pay ranges for their jobs. Like...what? In the West most people would find it very odd if you walk into a shop and had to haggle with the shopkeeper for the price. We want to know if something is £10 or £100. But somehow, haggling is the norm for jobs in private companies?
Technically you can haggle I've run into several people who have the balls to see the manager and then try to haggle the $3 Gucci skirt to $0.03 and they'll stand there for 3 hours plus trying to do this but so far they've only come from two backgrounds so it's really uncommon but not illegal and if you don't mind everyone thinking your insane you can try to haggle.
I was looking for a new job for 3 or so months. Every time my first question what was the pay, 90% of the time they didn't even respond LMAO.
@@destroyraidenmy boyfriend does this 😂 he stands there and will haggle for hours on something like a used car until the place closes and the employee wants to go home, it's actually really smart if you have time.
I also want to add that looking for a new job is basically a full-time job. So as much as you shouldn't quit before you're looking for a new job, it will probably be overwhelming trying to balance working at your job and looking for a new one. If you can, I would recommend taking time off when you get those interviews scheduled. And of course, your well being is most important.
It really isn't, though this myth gets repeated a lot.
First, there are only so many job postings available that a person would be suited for, so there's only so many jobs to apply for. The rest of the time would just be waiting to find a new job posting. That's a lot of time.
Second, if this was true, very few people would ever switch jobs, since the vast majority of people have bills to pay and can't afford to not have an income for any period of time.
I recently went through a successful job search while full time employed. Finding jobs was 2-4 hours, customizing my materials was 1-2 per job. Really not a full-time job on it's own, even factoring in mental energy.
@@ericlee2815 you're very fortunate to have a job search experience like that. Glad you didn't have to work too hard!
THIS!!! Even if it doesn’t take you all day to work on job applications it’s still time, energy, and mental capacity. As a full-time student who worked 30+ hours a week for most of this spring (internship & part time job) working on applications for summer internships (bc everyone tells you to get an internship in college) took SO MUCH TIME. Not only is there the actual application process and combing through which ones would work for me, one I’m qualified for, actually pay bc broke college student, etc. but ofc interviews. I had to schedule interviews around classes and my current internship (would schedule during the company lunch hour or try to predict when meetings would get scheduled), my other job, and other responsibilities/obligations as a film student (aka set weekends and meetings). Not to mention there’s typically 2 interview rounds and maybe even a test to whittle down the candidates (writing coverage or editing a trailer, etc)
This is all to say that I can’t imagine what it’s like for people who work full-time jobs that are gig-based (like many film jobs are). Or people in general as you have many personal obligations whether that be family or mental health or (how dare) a life outside of work! Finding new employment is difficult and time consuming (maybe not in terms of hours in a day but it takes so long to hear back from companies sometimes, the average in my exp is 2-4 weeks) that people don’t often have the luxury for.
Quitting a job and finding a new one is honestly admirable and should be recognized more often
@@micahrufsvold how? I don't want to fight, just genuinely curious how you spend 10 restless hours a day for at least 4 days a week searching for a job
@@lejuanca Oh, I've had 2 easy job searches in my life and that's it. That said, when someone tells me about their experience and it's different from mine, I think the appropriate response is "Man, that's tough. I wish you the best" not suggesting that they are perpetuating a myth and telling them how their experience should have been. Advice is for friends and family who ask for help. Not strangers on the internet who were just expressing their experience.
Can confirm, as a software engineer I've more than doubled my salary over the past 3 years.
I've only ever stayed at one job for over a year, they denied my (~15%) salary raise. I quit and took home a 40% salary increase in my new job the following month.
Companies don't owe you shit, quit and work elsewhere.
This guy stonks
Not all fields are like software engineering though
but like won't people in the domain of expertise at some point know your name and won't want to hire you anymore ? I mean you're a literal butterfly which for most companies sucks... like they've spent time and money giving you an expertise and they want to keep that investement. but if you're always quiting the companies you're in wouldn't that become a problem at some point ? I mean I work in a domaine of expertise where there are only few people and everybody knows each other essentially so if someone was just quiting companies whenever the wage isn't hight enought then that person would be pretty quickly marked as a bad sheep and no one would want to hire them.
@@cringeproof100 while all fields aren’t like software engineering, you should be able to expect significantly raises (20-40%) when you switch jobs, as long as you are asking for an amount in the current market average for your position and experience.
There are obviously some fields were this doesn’t apply at all, but almost all industry jobs will. If you could get paid at X with 4 years of experience, you easily could expect X+20% with 5 when switching, at least during a good economy. That % is bound to be higher in hot markets.
Staying less than one year tends to look bad in most fields. That's why the average recommendation is to stay for 3 years before switching
I used to work as a prep cook in a tex-mex restuarant, I could not even get a quarter raise even though I was reliable, trained new cooks, and never missed a day. Now an international teacher in the EU after spending time being undercompensated and overworked as a math teacher in a title one school and self taught in computer science to get it started in the district. Loyalty means nothing and your boss always wants to pay you less, so be a mercenary and do what's best for you.
Im a mechanical engineer working on a large government project and the current attrition rates are astoundingly high. So many people I work with daily I just randomly receive an email about how theyre leaving. Almost every one when I ask them why their response is essentially “I wasnt really looking for a new job but sometimes Id throw out an application just to see, and I just got an amazing offer I cant refuse”.
Its really good advice to be casually looking for work even if you arent actually looking for work. If youre reasonably happy in your current job your bargaining power is huge and theres no risk to trying.
definitely get a new job lined up BEFORE you quit, job searching while unemployed is one of the most miserable, soul-crushing experiences when you're facing rejection after rejection without even getting an interview all while panicking over how you're going to be able to afford to keep living
It's also extremely time consuming, so job searching while employed can leave you with no free time. Looking for a new job before/after you quit the old one is a personal choice based on the specific situation, I've done it both ways and both had their own benefits and drawbacks.
It's not too bad if you have saved up several months of living expenses, preferably 6+ months.
Every time I’ve quit I never had a job lined up and got a new one within a week. You ain’t working hard enough if you can’t get a new one within 2 weeks. Right after I quit my most recent job, I didn’t waste time. Right when I got home from quitting I started doing applications and editing my resume . It’s really not that hard to get a new job
@@maffytaffy1231 the difficulty in getting a new job varies between people. Depending on what field you work in, how socially awkward you are, your IQ and social awareness, qualifications, competition, and etc, your ability to interview well can be hampered. Getting a job is not just a matter of working hard and your anecdotal experience is not what objective reality is, it’s just YOUR lived experienced.
@@maffytaffy1231depends on what your specialty is and what circumstances you have. For example, I’m unable to find a job for 2 months now due to changing my documents to new ones and being a medical specialist who does not treat people like your regular cardiologist or family doctor (general hygiene & epidemiology)
Wage negotiation is the worst part of looking for a new job. I wish they were just legally required to post the pay range so I don't have to randomly throw my dart hoping I don't blow their expectations up. Plus it is so goddamn awkward - I want talking about wage to become a more comfortable thing overall.
Petition to negotiate wages like a Turkish street vendor.
"Hey brother! Wan buy? 250 for you, discount. Come on."
@@nutscheese4510 I'm imagining the Monty Python character who insists on haggling.
Something I’ve heard is to look at similar jobs in Colorado, since they have to legally disclose ranges of salaries there
Ive try to discuss wages with people (friends, coworkers, etc) if i can because we need to make it a more normal thing!
I've switched my application tactic to just asking for what I want to make, not what I think the work is worth.
Already sent in my notice at my job. I'm in the so-called transition phase as they have to find someone who can take up my spot, if they ever find a replacement, with my boss being an evil stepmother (much louder than a Karen, and is fully aware that "its just the way she is" without trying to change it) of a human being.
The breaking point in me quitting was when a seemingly important e-mail went unread and my Karen boss blamed it squarely on me when we dug it up a few months later through an unrelated matter. Turns out it wasn't meant for our team and not only did we not have to worry, I didn't deserve or need to be chewed out over it.
Here's hoping for greener pastures for me soon.
I've been in HR for the last four years, and I wish more people shared their salary information. If the employer isn't going to do it, workers need to ensure that they're informed about ALL facets of their employment, not just the things the company wants them to see.
You're HR? You're the employees enemy. HR will only help employees if it's good for the company, not when it's not. Why would you? It's the employer who pays your wage. You're like the spy, the rat who talks to management when you have information that is valuable. All incentives are there, you increase your profile internally and help out the employer who pays you so any loyalty towards employers is really counter intuative. Add to that HR people are like people who don't really know much but are excellent in pretending to know a lot (marketing people are the same). Any time some HR smuck comes on the work floor and says something like "if you want to have a good talk, my door is always open" it think yeah ok, you can fk off. HR usually thinks of itself as being on top of their game and nobody realizes what their true function is but it's the opposite. Everybody knows never to trust HR and never to tell all because they are the voice and ears of upper management.
I found the vibe of the whole channel. It's Sabrina going "I've made a thing and I would like to subject you all to it. Do you consent?"
She's like a mad scientist. But not with, like, electricity or bombs or anything. She's just a mad researcher.
Yup. That's more or less Sabrina's vibe.
I love that we're stuck in her home with her going about a typical day like we're all just hanging out while she does so.
Sabrina’s productivity is admirable. Not glorifying hustle culture but she seems like a teammate who does her best and manages her time well. Good for you, Sabrina!
I don't understand what's wrong with hustle culture. I don't think I am following this trend.
Not that I'm an expert or have lived through lot of hustle, but I find it to be unsustainable in the long term for the individual. Compnies love it, it works really well on the short term to get you to your goals, but it seems that my health (mental or physical) has failed each time. I've seen others go through this and try to hide, or feel shame because they couldn't sustain the hustle.
@@dr3am5ers hustle culture promotes lifestyles that cause a lot of sickness in people. I was working shift work 50+ hours a week days evenings and nights and I gained weight, became more irritable, and overall felt worse. Why? Because I needed a crutch. No rest? Eat + caffeine for energy. No fun? Be bitter. Etc etc.
Not everyone has the same crutch as me, but everyone has one.
In addition to what Phayth notes (the personal cost of the grind and burnout), hustle culture also places a ton of blame on the individual for systemic, social, and circumstantial problems. "Just work harder" works to some extent, but no amount of 'hard work' will get around hiring biases, excessive taxation and cost-of-living putting self-improvement out of reach if it isn't already out of reach due to local resource availability, external non-job needs (have a parent to take care of? Congrats, you have to choose between the well-being of a loved one or your 'hustle').
Hustle also tends to encourage the idea that everything and everyone is a commercial interaction. You don't make friends, you network to get connections. You don't socialize to relax and enjoy, you're cultivating clients. You don't spend time with your family or on enjoying your time and money because that's time not spent making money.
Everything becomes about what it will make you and many many many things in life don't make you money. Having kids and giving them a good upbringing? Yeah, kids aren't going to make you money or help your career in any way. All the toys and cash don't mean anything if you don't have a partner that's actually emotionally invested in you as a person. All the business success doesn't mean much if you are still an uninteresting shallow person that can only talk about how many hours a week they're working.
Also, something to keep in mind is that we're seeing a finished video that only shows her working. We don't see her down time. So this is skew image of what she's actually doing. She IS working, but she's not literally working all the time. After all, seeing her lounging on the sofa not working on the video woldn't really add anything to the video.
I’ve worked as a nanny for about a decade. Each nanny tends to be pretty isolated and we rarely know other nannies well. Lots of online groups have popped up in recent years where nannies openly discuss their wage expectations and what is and isn’t reasonable to expect from and employer. These groups have really empowered nannies. The biggest downfall of course is that they are almost always in English and tend to unintentionally exclude nannies at higher risk of being taken advantage of in their jobs.
Start a face book group for nannies of your culture, don't complain, do!
I have spent the better part of a year trying to explain this concept to my parent, both of whom were raised with the “stick with the same company for 50 years and be rewarded” mentality.
I think they also envision quitting before having the new job, and just convincing them of the concept of applying while working has been difficult. What I found so strange was they talked about changing jobs like it was some big risk rather than just showing up to a different office building one Monday.
Re: bad academic writing: I've completed a degree in computer science and one in psychology. The way we are taught writing is entirely different. In computer science, we tried writing simply without that annoying academic tone. Use active instead of passive, use present tense instead of long past tenses, use "we" as an invitation towards the reader to go on a journey with the writer, etc. In psychology, it was the exact opposite. I got told to write in passive past tense, which makes the language extremely unreadable and detached out of some misconceived idea that it indicates objectivity. Psychology also actively discouraged splitting up the text, using lists and figures in favor of long-winded explanations.
So, the tl;dr is: it's taught that way by idiots who think it makes them sound smarter.
When I was an architecture student, I tried to have a nerdy conversation with a psychology student who TALKED like this. It was... an experience. If that's something psychology courses teach their students, I must say they are doing something terribly wrong. They're the ones who should know how humans work!
Here in Brazil this stupid writting is pretty common even in STEM studies. It's kind of an historical heritage of science being an elite practice.
I've heard people saying "but it's normal non-specialists not understanding academic material, they don't know the jargon". But it's NOT like that. A good example is my father: he's a beekeeper. He really loves his job, loves learning more about it, getting new ideas. He has years of experience and study. And he really struggles to understand academic studies about bees and beekeeping. Not because he doesn't know the tecnical terms; he IS a specialist. It's just because the studies ARE NOT UNDERSTANDABLE.
It's the same in social work and law. I think it's a liberal arts thing to be redundant and wordy. I don't write that way and have often gotten low grades on my writing because of that.
As someone from a biology background, part of it is definitely snobbery, but I think part of it also is that the STEM field peeps are not encouraged to study humanities at all. I had a teacher in college who has a secondary degree in English that she used to freelance edit scientific papers because our writing is just so bad.
also, I don't think it's standard practice, but it was definitely a requirement by my teacher and mentor that any short-hand or obscure wording needed to be defined the first time it was used so the reader would know what the heck we were talking about.
I study criminology and the social sciences absolutely loves that hideously inaccessible academic writing. I have an absurd amount of academic books on subjects I’m genuinely interested in that I’ll probably never read due to the way they’re written. Having to reread a sentence because I didn’t understand it the first five times I read it puts me to sleep.
Here in Sweden, in a lot of fields, you increase your pay by looking for jobs at different companies. You sure af is not gonna get the same raise at your current company. Basically, keep your options open during your current employment.
I can confirm that this is true in Sweden. Active job hunting is almost a must to better your position or increase any benefits. Most employers that I have experienced tend to get comfortable after you get settled within your work. Being loyal and working overtime seldom yield any significant benefits.
It's should be mentioned that we otherwise have quite good labor laws, and rights in general at least in comparison to the US and many countries outside the EU.
Pretty much the same in switzerland. If you want to get a significant raise, a new company will almost always pay more than your current one (negotiation skill required of course)
Yep same as US. Raises are garbage compared to what you can get from a new company
@@angee9996 I plan to work in Switzerland in a couple of years. I am planning on transitioning from Sweden so I have a ton of questions obviously. First off, which jobs are Swizz labour market made of? I looked at the average salary and it's quite high and the taxation quite low, so is cost of living then through the roof? I assume the tech industry as well as financial industry have high paying jobs, what should I study in the university? Lastly, I am well aware that English is barely cutting it when applying for a job, so what languages should I strive to learn?
Same here in South Africa, because of the high unemployment rate, quitting is not the route to go.
Sabrina's meltdown-locked-alone-at-home-research vibe is so hilarious and relatable and amazing i can't I CAN'T. the animation is stunning as usual. i love seeing Taha and Melissa, as usual
btw as a person who quit their job without any job offers and zero ideas on what to do next i find this series useful as ever
i was saving myself from breaking and used the time to pursue my dream job of becoming an illustrator, but it is possible solely because my husband can support both of us for now
Dreams can build stamina sometimes. It helps to remember that really, the most important job any of us can do is to keep ourselves as healthy as possible.
A year since this comment was posted. In coming back, did you get a job? Any advice for another individual who is now unemployed and at home?
In my personal experience, quitting my job before I had a job offer lowered my asking price. It was only when I was still employed elsewhere when people wanted to pay a premium to hire me.
Being unemployed in most places at most times means you are desperate for money and will take a low pay or that you are looking for any stopgap job and won't stay long.
Or so is the rationale for hiring since forever.
I've been reading all these articles about when to quit your job and no one is saying this but it makes a lot of sense. You have a totally different mindset when you have no job. Ugh the job market is so exhausting.
advice from someone who has done this: apply to your current employer's direct competitors (if there is no non-competition clause applicable) get them to offer more than your current salary and then go back to your employer to negotiate because you are being poached by their direct competitors. And then when you get the higher offer, still go back to the competitor to see if they are willing to go even higher because your current employer doesn't want to lose you.
Which is exactly why most companies have non-compete clauses in their contracts.
At the places I’ve worked, “non-compete” clauses were utilized to keep employees from getting poached by clients. They didn’t care if we went off to work for some other company in the same line of work. What’s more, if we did go work for a client, my company would stop work with that client due to them breaching the non-compete.
Literally never knew anyone that worked anywhere that didn't have a non-compete clause like that
Walmart vs Amazon baby.
@@aphenioxPDWtechnology yeah, probably much rarer here! In my country they were getting more common in industrial fields, mostly in specialist positions, but there are specific requirements that need to be met for it to be valid. This year they implemented a law where if the employer wants to have a non-compete clause, they have to pay to the worker for the time they are bound by the non-compete if they quit. If the non compete lasts for up to 6M they pay 40% of the pay throughout that 6M. If up to 12 months, it’s 60%. If they are fired for no fault of their own (like just because the company isn’t doing well enough) the non-compete doesn’t apply. Since they were getting more common, lawmakers clearly wanted to make the employers think: is it really worth it, is there really enough justification to put in the clause, when before, they would just do it for anyone, since there was nothing to lose for the company on doing that.
Also I mean, even if the signed up non-compete agreement is not valid because the justifications for it do not fill the requirements, it still prevents most people from going to competitors, because they don’t want to get sued or spend money and time arguing it in court. The penalty for breaking can be pretty severe 😬
Unsolicited Anecdote: I quit my job bc every corporate job I had ignored serious safety regulations that's resulted in injuries (both myself & others) within 2yrs n I was tired of it. (Not to mention injuries sustaining.) Naive lil me believed I'd be in trouble for reporting. Caretaking now, and trying to make products I actually feel good about & safe making while self-educating. Barely scraping by, but way more fulfilled & in less immediate risk of injury.
I'd find a way to scale the product selling, whatever that may be. Don't wanna be scraping by for too long! Life ain't meant for that to be permanent
Yeah, you probably should have sued
@@gormauslander probably, yeah. But it really comes down to lack of proof, lack of knowledge, and lack of funds for legal fees. I don't know anyone in those jobs financially stable enough to sue, or even to have the time off required to pursue that kind of action pro bono. In my case, my injury had me barely walking, and shortly after, living in a trailer for a few mos in a totally different city. We'd talked about class action stuff on break but nobody even had the means to fully understand how to pursue it.
Yeah I had a mildly similar experience. They ignored basic work rights, which exacerbated my illness and caused long term exhaustion. It could have been avoided yet now Im scraping the gig economy.
Been there, Had a job have me unstack 4 pallets of team lift items solo, and at the end of the day the assistant manager had me bag all of our core batteries, my back was killing me at this point and I was worried it might be too much to pick them up one handed and put a bag around them, so I asked him for help, and he replied with "Humph, I've got a slipped disc and I can do it." After which he did it, and walked away telling me to do my fucking job. Next day I couldn't get out of bed, and had to go to the doctor. All said and done I was out of work a good bit unpaid, but they had to pay all my doctor bills. Cost us both a lot of money and pain just because one of the managers was an asshole.
Just quit my job last week to take a 3-month sabbatical focusing on skill-building, networking and following my passions. This video felt timely. I will definitely be checking out your new show!
This is what I’m preparing to do with several backup plans in case I really need extra money for some reason. Glad to not be the only one to want to do this.
I am happy you mentioned it, in some fields, especially economics, PAPERS ARE HORRIBLY WRITTEN, and MOST teachers, horridly explain. It seems they do not have it clear in their minds.
"This is America, the land of....healthcare" had me DEAD it's too true
Hope you have insurance
@@GuilhermeLima-mi8nt sometimes you hope you don't with the schemes they pull!
I've somewhat organically quit my job every few years due to moving cities/countries. While job searching in a new city is a pain in the butt (no leveraging power, pure desperation...) and I've ended up doing a few jobs which have not been a perfect fit for me, it has resulted in a resume with a lot of variety and taught me a bunch of related skills which have helped me get to my current, awesome job.
I work in software development and a lot of people in my field stick with one set of skills for as long as they can, but find that they eventually are no longer needed, and then have a hard time finding new jobs.
IT is really just a high speed version of every other industry, if you only can do one thing, you’ll eventually find that’s not needed or not good enough anymore. Variety is important 😄
The wage thing is weird. I only apply to jobs that list a wage, and a wage that is better than what I make. I recently saw a job, 85k-130k, and applied to it. When asked for a salary, I said, the job post said paying up to 130k, so I want that if you insist of pulling a number from me. I was then told the upper end was only for highly qualified people. I met the check marks of experience, so I did not understand what else could I need to do to qualify. I did not get a second interview.
When this video came out I had received a rejection email for the 11 job I had applied for. It's is so frustrating and I need to vent into the void for a second! I did so well on the interview, we were cracking jokes, they engaged with my questions as much as I did theirs and I used all the techno lingo important in the industry. In the end the committee made it a point to tell me when I would be getting the follow up email asking for my references. It never came and in its place just a robot saying, "sorry Charlie better luck next time lol." What's worse is that looking at the giving portal it looks like they hired internally, as their desk assistant job is open now. What is the point of me getting my masters in a few months if no one is going to hire me?!?!
Okay, I feel better now. Thank you giving me the space to vent!
Sorry that sucks especially the glimmer of hope that gets crushed but how is hiring internally worse? There’s really not much worse than seeing a nice job open up at your company everyone is desperate for it and now some jackass you’ve never met is your new boss. From what I’ve seen even if someone personally didn’t get the nice job seeing someone else at the company land it gives them motivation that at some point it could be them
The same happened to me like 6 months ago. Was so upset. Im sorry that happened to you, and you'll land the job you're meant to land if you haven't already:)
I'm the self proclaimed expert on job hunting. If you have a path to a job go for the education, but dont get a degree just bc you really want to work in a particular field and think making the dean's list for 4 years will help you get there. Your Dad's a partner in a law firm, Harvard grad, money maker for the firm? You are a chip off the old block? You are in. Unless of course some scandal dismantled the company and you are both pounding the payment.
That's the big lie your parents told you bc their parents told them and on and on. There are so many variables about being hired for jobs and they change from person to person, place to place and time to time. You go for the job in a demand field and so does everyone else. 4 yrs later the field is flooded and you have the useless degree.
Always wanted to work w a particular company? Did everything the self help books suggested? Were you aware a head of human resources hired department employees by birth dates? Discovered that certain signs were very compatible and cooperated well w each other making for a happy crew. (Seriously, this happened at a major company in Houston and it worked great.)
In the end, do whatever pleases you. There are no guarantees. In any endeavor where ppl are involved there are umpteen possibilities, most of which would never occur to you and many of wh would make you drop your teeth.
Good luck.
About the bad academical writting:
People have commented as it's a human sciences ill. Not wrong, but here in Brazil this is pretty common even in STEM studies. It's kind of an historical heritage of science being an aristocracy practice.
I've heard things as "it's normal non-specialists not understanding academic material, they don't know the jargon". But it's NOT like that. A good example is my father: he's a beekeeper. He really loves his job, loves learning more about it, getting new ideas. He has years of experience and study. And he really struggles to understand academic studies about bees and beekeeping. Not because he doesn't know the tecnical terms; he IS a specialist. It's just because the studies ARE NOT UNDERSTANDABLE.
This is a big problem we have in academic world.
I'd enjoy very much if you guys made a video about it.
I agree, sometimes it seems like these studies TRY to be convoluted in their way of writing.
Worth thinking about for a video, yeah.
As a former academic, I think the convoluted language comes from trying to be the most accurate. The idea being that you want to be 100% correct everywhere and contextualized by prior art / referenced work, otherwise peer reviewers get on yo ass.
@@grencez I agree, since especially within science it is important to be nuanced about your topic and not overgeneralize. But still, sentences can be nuanced while still remaining clear hahah
I second this.
"We exist in a system" is awfully close to "We live in a society"
Put a dollar in the jar!
In my field (archiving) a lot of employers don't know... what we are. They know they WANT someone who does what we do. But don't know what to call us. I'm an archivist currently working with digital records... my JOB TITLE is "data librarian." It's like that for a lot of job listings looking for an archivist. Yes, this does contribute to the living nightmare that is job searching.
That seems pretty straightforward to me. They need an archive; you make an archive; you are an archivist.
How do you know what you want but not what to call it?
Speaking on the talking about wages part I wanted to quickly say that at certain jobs you technically can get fired/ in trouble for talking about your wage, which is why I've always talked about my wage openly to anybody, because its also technically illegal to tell employees they can't talk about their wages, so when I worked at mcdonalds for 3 years I would tell people what I made as a weekend closing crew trainer, which when I quit was around $15.75 and now working in a walmart DC i make like $24, the reason its important to share this info with your fellow coworkers and other people is because it helps to not only weed out discrimination, but it also encourages competitive wages across different companies, while I was still looking for my current job at the DC I thought about working at a local factory (i knew the owners son and was guaranteed an interview) and I talked with someone who worked there who happened to be in the drive through only to find out that they get paid the same as I made at McDonald's, the only reason they made more is because they worked 12hr shifts and anything over 8 hrs is overtime so you basically get 56 hrs of regular pay and 28 hrs of time and a half, so you get paid well but for 12hrs 7 days across 2 weeks, it just wasn't worth it for me, so I went with Walmart and I haven't regretted it because I'm still not at the highest pay ill reach, long story short, talk about your wages, hours, and work conditions as it encourages companies to raise their standards to be better than other job opportunities.
The ‘discussing salaries with friends’ is always an interesting one.
I know Tom Scott did a video before, but it’s strange that we’re always so protective about our income, when there’s not really a good reason *not* to talk about it.
For me I’m a public servant, so I can easily avoid the topic by saying ‘oh the pay scale is all published online’. But I never just *tell* the person my salary directly, and again there’s no good reason for me to be so secretive!
talking about your salary with your co-workers is always a good idea
i've started dropping it in conversations at work when we're talking about career related stuff. i used to be vague since the company has to publish the salary ranges to comply with the union contract, but now I just outright say what I make.
It was widely discouraged years ago by employers, and just stuck around as a part of "work culture". You already know that it was used against employees, terrible things when the new one is hired for more with less credentials or hiding nepotism.
It's starting to break among younger employees. I know I have no qualms about sharing my salary with anyone who is interested. I call my family and friends and tell them when I get a raise and for how much. I know how much each of them make as well. Finding a good time to talk about it with coworkers can be tricky but I don't mind sharing with them either. Especially as a senior member on the team.
It's definitely becoming less of a thing, I've never had an issue talking about how much I make with friends and they tell me the same thing. I don't think it's as taboo as it once was.
Sabrina is what happens when Brian David Gilbert learns coding instead of improv.
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why does that make sense though
You make a compelling point
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No clue who that is but I'm about to go watch whatever stand up he has online. I do think Sabrina could've made a good comedian. :)
I’m a nurse who doubled his hourly rate just by switching jobs, no extra schooling needed. Not only that, I increased my flexibility. Went from working a scheduled two 12-hr shifts a week (including every other weekend and holidays) to a minimum of three 12s a month, all self-scheduled. I can work six days in a row, the last three of a month and first three of the next, and effectively take two months off. Or, I can work multiple days in a row and get into overtime pay (1.5x base pay) and be making 3x what I made at my old job. Even with having to buy private health/dental insurance, I’m actually able to work less hours on average per month if I want to stay at my current standard of living. Because of this, I’ve taken the first two long self-made vacations of my adult life (I’m 34), road trips out to California, one a week long and one six weeks long. I’ve started volunteering at a local animal shelter transporting overflow rescue dogs all over Michigan and northern Ohio, the ones that would have to be put down if the shelter couldn’t relocate em. Nursing was a tough career before the pandemic and my specialty, which is just “basic” Acute Care bedside nursing, has seen the greatest numbers leave the field making demand for those with experience who can quickly slot in anywhere extremely high (which is why travel RNs have made as high as $10k a week during this pandemic). I’ve noticed, too, that a lot of RNs are talking far more openly about their salaries as well as many healthcare companies being more upfront about the hourly rates. One relatively new hospital in Indiana was offering a $40k sign-on bonus, which is unheard of in Nursing. It’s definitely been a “fluid labor market.”
I’m sorry did you just say you went from two 12 hour shifts a week which is already realistically pretty low to 3, 12 hour shifts an entire MONTH whenever you feel like coming in. I have to be misunderstanding something here, that’s not even one day of work a week
as a student in biomedical engineering i was over joyed to hear they had the biggest raise. then i remembered i'm watching youtube and have an aggressive amount of homework to do. so, bitter sweet moment.
From my experience asking for 50% more then you currently make (at least when working in the industry you want to work in) is the best place to start (presuming you aren’t grossly underpaid). Companies can always negotiate down but they are unlikely to negotiate upwards. If they think 50% more then you currently make is way too high that they just reject you, you don’t want to work there anyways as they’re either 1) can’t afford it (which is a signal of larger issues), or 2) don’t understand the current market, which is a bad company to work for.
While this may vary industry to industry, I can say it’s good in software development (that’s my experience) but it should work in any industry and position.
A 50% RAISE all at once?? Sure companies don’t really negotiate up but one of their main tactics is to immediately weed out the high ball offers unless they can seriously justify the increase. Software/tech/coding kinda notoriously has wild job markets/hiring processes would recommend looking at other industries for a more accurate baseline. I’ve heard to aim for like I think 10% when you’re switching jobs every 3 years. Really the percentage increase you pick is heavily dependent on your specific circumstances and the current markets so don’t listen to any of our ballparks lmao
Academic papers in general are required to be written badly. It's the only acceptable format. I think the ability to explain a concept to a lay person is the ultimate test of if you understand it thoroughly. I don't know if the enforced obfuscation is a result of tradition, or intentional maybe to create an illusion of intellectual separation between "commoners" and academics. Same goes for Patents. I'm convinced they're written to be purposefully difficult to understand.
I believe the technical term is "technical terms"
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No you can still use technical terms and not put out word vomit that makes no sense.
The result of a call instruction to the resolved address of the printf symbol with the address to a section of memory containing the string "Hello, World!" in the rdi register (assuming long mode), along with 0x0 in rax, causes said string to be written to file descriptor 1.
printf("Hello, World!"); // Prints hello world
Did I do it correctly?
it's definitely a tradition thing in my experience
Most of the times the articles well written and quite easy to understand are, for that reason, not taken seriously by the people-who-decide-if-they-are-going-to-publish-your-article-in-their-paper (idk their name in english, sorry). In my master degree, a teacher said that he hated that bullshit, but sometimes had to write in the most over-complicated way possible in order for the academy to pay attention to his work and for the dudes-I-said-before to publish his articles.
I quit my job at the beginning of the month due to my mental well being. I don't drink for very specific reasons and my job caused me to actually go buy alcohol and drink. Therefore, as soon as April hit, I finished the workday and was done. Didn't give my two weeks or nothing. I simply texted my supervisor the following Monday that I quit and that was the end of it. While it wasn't necessarily the smartest way to go about it, it needed to be done due to the impact on my mental health. Now almost a month later I'm still trying to look for a job that I can do remotely. It's stressful but also rewarding because I get more time to myself and to spend with my cat. I also live with my brother and we share bills relating to the apartment and food so it's manageable.
That’s actually really similar to a story of mine down to the alcohol and texting my boss last second I quit. Although a word of warning I really think working from home is a double edged sword for a lot of people with mental health stuff, that may just be specific to me though
I'm trying to get my head together and want to quit my 2nd job without going broke.
Sabrina casually just making and eating a meal, and then washing and drying the pan and plate while talking about job bargaining power is a mood
And after we all find good, well-paying jobs, we'll all need a reminder of the importance of work/life balance. Can that be your next video?
I explored a bit of that in this video: czcams.com/video/XKinGf3aGsY/video.html
I got to talk with one of the leading researchers on self-determination theory who really helped me form a framework for work-life balance and recognizing what I actually need from work besides money / when I should start looking at other part of my life to fit those needs. I might be biased but it's a good video.
- Sabrina
Yes pleaaaase
Gimme that time management content
I'd forgotten about that video; thanks for the reminder!
Doubtful that any advice would be helpful for neurodivergent folks because Time Blindness is REAL and AWFUL.
when Sabrina said glassdoor rhymes with class chore, I was so sure she was gonna say “class war”
genuinely devastated that i didn't think of this.
genuinely devastated that sabrina didn't think of this.
It's awesome that you show all the steps of these large projects. So often, the presented content only shows the results, which is great, but when a silly person is trying to accomplish a big project (it's me, I'm a silly person), I like knowing that other people who I admire also miss things &/or get things wrong at first.
I quit my job due to intense emotional distress because of a new manager that immediately introduced drama to the workspace and completely disregarded my accomplishments and responsibilities that were far above my peers. I snapped when he told me I was supposed to be like everybody else because I refuse to put up with the disrespect. I did not have a job lined up but I’d do it again if it meant relief from the workplace abuse (I worked for Walmart) and it was honestly a little spiteful because I knew that they would have so much more work to do without me, I like to come in and make fun of the state of my former work space as it looks like an actual shit show now.
Hey. It's Walmart!😁
I've been wanting to quit for months because of a similar issue. We unfortunately hired marketing managers who offer no creative freedom whatsoever and im about to implode as a graphic designer. When I started this job it was like a dream come true, people asked my opinion, and valued it. NOW people all want to do things thier own way and they will still ask for advice but won't take it. I know im not right at all times, but virtually no creative freedom have been given to me this year. All the good people left and have been replaced by managers who take place for designs I made and came up with, not them. For instance we had a new product manager come in this year and without fail she took all my designs for PRODUCTS, said the entire project was hers and gave no credit to the designers who made the things. It was insane. There's another PM who constantly asks my opinion and when I give it to her, she says she doesn't care and mocks things up herself but makes me actually make the print file. Wastes 50% of my time when I could be doing other things. Insanity
thank you!!!! as someone who is pretty young and VERY inexperienced in the labor market and all the mumbo jumbo that comes with applying for jobs and interviewing i just want to say thank you so much. Without this channel i probably wouldn’t know anything about getting a job and i just want to say i love your guy’s channel. Keep on doing what you’re doing!!!!
Sabrina, you just blew my mind. I've NEVER considered dipping my bread straight into the egg yolk like that, I gotta try this tomorrow morning!
It's the best and only contribution the English have made on the world.
In August of this year I was nearing my third year at a nursing home. I put in my two weeks before I had another job only because I felt like I just couldn’t do it anymore and if I knew that I only had to last 2 more weeks I could push through. I found a job and was working 3 or 4 days after my last day at the home. It was the greatest thing I could have ever done for my mental health. I didn’t notice until someone pointed out I’m happier. And I am. I’m not sleeping my days away. I’m doing more things for myself. I’m happy for the first time in a while. Not to mention I’m making more as a convenience store clerk than a nurses aide which boggles my mind.
Hey. Young ppl. The lower the pay, the more crummy the job, the worse you are treated. Rule of thumb, not written in rock. This is why ppl tell you to go to school, study hard, so you can get a good job, not just better pay, but a chance at decent working conditions.
Thank you SO MUCH for commenting about the over convoluted wording of academic papers! When I read them I feel like I'm being gaslighted by professors who say "it's easy to just read papers".
I would love to see an episode on whether or not degrees are still worth it for your average consumer. There would be some paths where it is strictly necessary for the field (ex. doctor), but in fields where a degree is optional - is it still worth it? I imagine the answer varies - but I'm curious if there is a broad consensus.
There is a book called "The Case against education" by Bryan Caplan that is exactly about if a degree pays. So for practical degrees like engineering a Bachelors degree pays for an individual if they are good or excellent students. The book is pretty detailed but one of the conclusions is that degrees are mostly signaling and less about job skills. Which means that socially we are wasting resources if we do not learn that many practical skills but still need to compete with everyone else who has degree so we get a degree ourselves.
@@dzoba Thanks for the recommendation. I'll definitely check that book out!
I know this wasn't the point, but it's just such a classic thing in our society right now for the two women in the room to say "gosh I don't know how much to ask for" and the man in the room to be all "shoot for the moon, why not?" 😆
Funny, that difference between men and women has existed forever I guess. In a class about women and work, back in the day, research showed if women got compliments on their good grades for example, they said "I studied hard", whereas men said "I'm good at that."
I don't have any anecdotes or relevant experience to mention, but I feel compelled to say the amount of effort you put in making this video really shows! Fantastic work with filming, editing, writing. There's a lot of detail here and I love it!
lovelovelove sabrina's energy and all that she brings to the table. more power to you guys!
Throwback to when I found a engineering position that offered a $1.00/year salary on Indeed
Oh yes, lemme just QUIT my job, this one is a much more lucrative position
Was that a typo?
Stonks
@@elenas3571 no, I found it on Indeed which requires all employers to input a salary number when they’re putting up a job ad.
Regardless, I got a good laugh out of it and proceeded to not apply.
It could have been a typo? Did you check?
@@itsu535 yeah they imput a typo
I'm really glad that you guys show your process of getting these answers - really gives you an appreciation of how these answers come about. Another great video!!
Dude, Sabrina, 1. Thank you for bringing up different categories of workers. I feel like I see so much discourse around knowledge work jobs in the pandemic and we forget so many people. 2. Wage data! Give everyone wage data! I work in a field putting out a yearly professional status survey, including salary data sliced and diced 50 ways, and people are STILL weird and cagey about discussing salary 🤦🏻♀️
Also me in Ukraine:
Programmer, programmer, programmer, politician.
Oh and also a soldier
Bruh fr
Sabrina: *is talking about important and interesting job loyalty*
My brain: "Are eggs meant to be that luminous yellow?"
She left them runny so she could dip her toast in them. Not sure if that is what your are talking about (I think the yolk fades as it cooks).
Egg yolks can be a lot of yellows. It mostly depends on the bird and what they're eating.
I haven't had eggs in a long time, but on my screen they look a bit on the neon-green side, but within the reasonable range? 9:15
Maybe a side effect of color grading in video post-production? (When pushing the saturation to make the image more vibrant, AFAIU the complements cyan/magenta/yellow "max out" more easily than the primaries red/green/blue, and people sometimes use tricks to get around that but that makes some shades look weird.)
EDIT: Might also be the lighting?
Or maybe the chickens have been fed turmeric. Also, same brain.
I could never put so much work into a single project. This is impressive.
You are just SO MUCH FUN to listen to and to watch explain stuff!
This fun-smart-cute combination you got going on along with great co hosts that bring in their own distinct personalites and the interesting questions selected...
It just ticks all the boxes for me, I subscribed after watching just the wheel inventing video and this one.
Well deseved
I absolutely love how commuted you all are to each video topic. I always learn so much and still feel entertained 💛
You mean committed lol?
Definitely agree tho :)
@@astropenguin5448 I was pretty confused for a split second there, especially since it was all zoom calls. Probably just an autocorrect mistake or something
You didn't talk about the "Catch 22 logic" of "The best time to look for a new job is when you already have one." Like I get using your bargaining power while you're already employed to maximize your future salary. But if you're already complacent at your job, how much of your job search could succumb to the "grass is greener on the other side" fallacy? How much of a pay bump would you need to take on a new job to hedge your bets of not getting shitty co-workers or a horrible boss? Like if you made 10% more at a new job where your co-worker drives you up the wall on a weekly basis, would that be worth it? What if they made you relocate, how much of a salary bump would you deem is fair compensation? How about moving from a very stable job with low salary to a less-stable position but a higher salary? How high does that number need to be to make you feel ok? But what if the work is more spiritually (morally) fulfilling? Would you be ok with a slight pay cut then? It's not a black and white "more money is better" decision.
This is why you must never burn bridges, always network with people, and always put in your 2 weeks. If you need to your old job will usually hire you back as long as you're on good terms.
I think you kind of.... missed the point. Obviously you dont HAVE to change job, the point of the video is that if you want to change job then you SHOULD because it will make you more money on the long run and the easiest way to do it is while you still have a job. Of course, there are more nuances because you can't do this with every job and, like they said in the video, its a lot more about knowing your worth to better bargain your salary.
I agree on the risk/ benefit analysis issue. For example, I am an accountant who has worked at the same company for 5 years. In my current senior accountant position, I make a good amount, it’s enough to live a comfortable middle class life and do some fun things occasionally too. I have a great relationship with the company I work for and the clients I work with, I don’t mind the work I do, and my coworkers are great. However, I also know that if I moved to a different company I could probably get at least +$15k-$20k annually more, in part due to the power I have as an experienced person in a field that is currently severely short on skilled applicants. But as a naturally risk averse person, I always think, would that be worthwhile just for the money when the new company could suck and I could be miserable working there? After all, I’m pretty happy with what I make and the lifestyle I am able to live with that much now, so the extra would probably just be all saved for a different house at some point or retirement anyways. Additionally, I would rather have my next job be more related to what I eventually want to get into, which is environmental business consulting, but I don’t have any experience in that yet, so I have no idea how much I’d realistically be able to make. So I’d rather maintain my stable, reliable job for now while I am finishing my MBA and come up with a more concrete path to reach my goals than take some random higher paying job that doesn’t really contribute what I really hope to accomplish in any way.
@@johnsmith8981 wow. I wonder where in the world y'all live to have all these job possibilities.
@@coralovesnature If you are happy, perhaps the best choice is hold off until there is a concrete reason to change jobs, but keep an eye on the market.
F*cking love your guy's videos! Everything about this video was done well. From the interview, from the cut to making breakfast, and even the stumble on the words. Love it all. I look forward to your next video. Keep up the great work!
I'm a student and somehow this appeared in my feed. I find this really interesting because I never heard of any of these concepts of "quitting jobs and get into a new one often" before! This widens my view a lot other than about an adult's life but alongside careers too. Good work!
The amount of work goes into this video is MIND BLOWING !!
I wish I could have a guide on how to be a fast learner of new skills from your POV as a explorers of new puzzles :P … like making a website / getting data through python /etc.
note : I always QUIT at the start of any research after getting myself lost unless I have to finish it :(
could we have a video on that :) , or at least just give us some hints on the path you guys think is the most efficient way possible … please …
Maybe you'd be interested in the digital journal format they dropped on shopify a few videos back?
Losing track of your work as soon as research gets intense is a staple in my life lmao, wish there was a way around it
as a phd student i'm in awe of Sabrina's work ethic, creativity, curiosity, and ability to learn from mistakes/missteps all while staying positive :) love this channel!
Little tip on reading badly-written/complicated academic paper; just keep reading. Try not to obsess over that one sentence you don't understand, because maybe they explain it better or give a good example later. Sometimes writers will front-load a lot of the information to sound more interesting or for other experts. As a layperson It's usually a lot more efficient to just read through the paper once without many interruptions and then re-read the part you didn't completely understand afterwards (with the added possibility that you actually will retroactively understand it by the end of the paper).
I teach a lot of first-year students and this is my go-to tip for when they say keeping up with the material is too hard.
Another good tip would be "You really aren't college material."
I have NO clue how I stumbled into your channel but I’m in love with your content and delivery.
melissa: how do you gain new skill without going back to school?
me: schools give you skill?
spending countless hours on something somones already done is is the most programmer thing
This is my favorite topic atm. I currently have three jobs and have had a couple dozen over the last couple of years because I’ve been job-hopping. And it’s been a fascinating and enlightening experience
Absolutely love y'all and this show. Brilliant work as always!
I love that you used BLS! It has helped me in my job searches and I wish more Americans knew about it. Really glad to see the website as well as that's something I've long thought should exist but I did not have luck learning how to make it myself. BLS also has salary data for metro areas and I've just been using excel to get more specific data for myself. Maybe you could add a box for selecting a metro area?
If you want to add some way to account for inflation, BLS also provides CPI tables for the US as a whole but also specific regions within the US. Adding in the CPI itself is really easy and especially with the recent increased inflation I think it makes salary data much more impactful.
In any case, great work, fun website, and another interesting video!
i know u cant talk about everything related, but just an FYI: quitting statistics for latin-america could be misleading, its a common practice to make the worker "quit" when they are actually getting fired. So aint that easy to know the real numbers for people quitting for real or because they were fired in a misleading way.
I love this vid she somehow manages to make academic stuff pretty funny but pretty informative and not dumbed down. Subbed!
Searching for a job while hired is truly great. I hated my job because it was night-shift and the company were making changes I didn't like so I applied for all the jobs I fancied and got a lot of calls back and was able to get a pay rise switching jobs. Starting in my new poaition next week ✌️
I’ve been watching since Sabrina filled in for the Vlog Brothers many years ago, and it’s insane how insightful your team is. The research/writing/production/editing is so top notch.
"it goes wrong"
Always love this part in the answer in progress videos 😂
really needed to hear that last 3 minutes. thank you for making great content.
I looked at the thumbnail and already thought "Must be a sign, I should just do it." Good thing I clicked and watched the whole vid, now I know that I should do it while still in the current job. More power to us all! Also great video!
I APPRECIATE THIS VIDEO SO MUCH!!! as someone who earns hourly wages and recently discovered how much CEO's make in comparison to us hourly workers, i have been feeling hopeless. this is such a great video because i often think about this topic thank you
I needed this video at this EXACT moment, thanks
this was one of the best videos yet. the answer was really good and the work you put into it seems to have really paid off!
It’s insane to me that job postings wouldn’t have wage information. In Austria, it’s actually required by law that they put at least the baseline salary (usually the one in the collective bargaining agreement) in there. This still doesn’t completely mitigate the bargaining factor, but it’s much better because going into it, you at least know if you’re willing to work for the minimum salary.
Here in NY (not the city but the state) there’s no requirement as far as I’m aware to list any sort of salary. But semi recently I’ve noticed they’ve started advertising with the maximum salary, intentionally making it look like the base pay. It’ll be like “Apply here and make $18 an hour*” and then a tiny disclaimer at the bottom “*up to 18”. It’s really pretty shitty/annoying and totally tricked me and others at first.
Collective bargaining hahahahahahahaha
As a PhD student I feel your pain for academic documents, someone somewhere decided everything needed to be written horribly
A downside of switching jobs is that with a new employer, you are usually back to just two weeks of paid vacation, and won’t get three weeks until you have been there several years.
One idea: fill out a leave request form for Tuesday afternoon. On Tuesday morning, show up at work in an interview suit. I wonder if I would have the nerve to try that.
You are very good at presenting and explaining concepts. Thank you!
Thank You! I feel just like this when I am researching, so I feel like I am not alone :) Plus this data was nice to see!
The mood of trying to use archived websites to get your stats that you already had, is the most relatable content
"the amount of times ive had to google how to use pandas" LOL
These videos are truly hitting me at exactly the right time lmao I've finally gotten fed up with my company treating workers like trash and I'm willingly job-hunting for the first time in my life
I'm a career counselor and this video is very relevant to the work that I do every day. I look forward to watching more of this series.
This video finally had me build up the courage to quit my job building traingles and pursue my true passion of building circles.
best comment lol
As someone who recently quit to move to a better paying job, I endorse this message
Me too, although my bargain made the current job raise my payment to prevent the quit. I admit I got lucky to have a good chance in a good moment just 6 months after being hired (after almost 3 years unemployed).
Love the confidence to declare you will make NO MISTAKES
Thank you for making me think of things I need to study. Much appreciated.
So glad this was thought through and considered, not just like 'yeah, quit', which would be bad advice for so many people. And yes, always find a new job before quitting your old one if you can (unless you work for pleasure and don't actually need the money).
As an anxious person, this entire idea is a no for me. I was so worried whether anyone would like me when I got my job, it was almost crippling, I was worried whether I would like my boss. I know how to do my job and that I can usually handle it, know how I will be treated, and that is very important to my anxiety.
I'm not really sure I'm built for anything that makes more money, lol.
I also have migraines, which are technically a disability, and have definitely been a big hurdle for me, and they have been very supportive for me, even when they have been really bad. I actually started getting them with brainstem aura while working and I was like 'hey guys I think I'm dying' and my doctor told me I needed a CT while I was at work and they let me go. I'm not really the kind of person to be out sick a lot but they have sent me home early when I really needed it, sometimes I need a minute because I'm dizzy, and my boss does genuinely have a grasp of the fact I have rights without being made to, in fact he gets heavy things down for me basically any time I need it.
I have had some trouble when we have been really short staffed and someone new makes the schedule, being scheduled close and opens, and not even being asked to do it, when the answer would typically be no because that is automatically going to give me a big migraine, and I don't even know ahead of time because it goes from last day of week to first day of next week, but if that ever happens again I will just refuse to do it. I can't do that and be healthy, and it's not neccesary. I'm not saying feel bad if you go for a new job but definitely have had problems when everybody leaves at the same time.
You should probably apply for disability. There are far too many variables to risk your health at work just to.keep a job.