The CORRECT Way To Replace A Rod Tip From The Advisor to Okuma, Penn & Shimano!
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
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Last week i took a fall fighting a fish. The mainline snapped putting me on my back. That fall dislodged the rod tip insert. To get me by the following day i decided to temporarily super glue the insert back in. Some of my rod building friends like Mark Gonsalves cautioned me that this is a temporary fix, which it was. Today i went to visit Hawaii's best known rod builder/instructor/teacher/expert Brian Kimata, owner of Brian's Fishing Supply. Brian even gives free classes on rod building so he knows his stuff.
Before leaving i researched how to repair my rod tip on CZcams. Virtually everyone gave the same lecture on using a lighter to heat & melt the epoxy glue holding the rod tip to the blank's tip. Then pull it off. Sounds simple, right? Well i found out it's a half-true myth. If the rod is a custom rod, yes you can pull the rod tip off by using a lighter. This is because a rod builder will use a thermo plastic adhesive to attach the rod tip. The melting point of this adhesive is lower then the melting point of the rod's blank so the tip can be removed safely.
But if the rod is a factory rod, which over 90% are, the factory epoxy glue has a much higher melting point then the rod's blank so the actual rod itself will droop & melt way before the epoxy does. I was told maybe 1 out of 15 factory rods "might" be lucky enough to be fixed this way. This same info was shared with me today by not only seasoned rod builders but also by a rod building instructor.
I'm so glad that my friend Brian Kimata took the time today to properly explain & show me how to do my own repairs. My other fishing buddy & master rod builder Mark Gonsalves kindly offered to do it for me but i really wanted to learn this on my own. Always good to have great buds to back you up!
With Brian's permission i'm going to share his knowledge with everyone watching this video. Even a slow guy like me did this under 8 minutes on my first rod tip repair. If i can do it, anyone can. LOL!
Not only is Brian a master rod builder but he also instructs others to become rod builders & Brian is the advisor to Okuma, Penn & Shimano when they're developing new products. These companies not only listen but act on his recommendations for a reason. For those that think he's wrong, bear in mind the credibility of this shop owner & rod building instructor.
Thanks to owner Brian Kimata for his education at-
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Thank You! Having use glue sticks, I knew it could loosen up on hot days. This is the first time
someone showed me the correct glue to repair a rod tip.
This is my friend Brian Kimata. Over the years he's helped companies like Penn to Okuma in designing rods. He's a wealth of information!
Brian is awesome! He thought me how to splice the foam handles to make them look like a 1 piece.
Thanks for this video, worked like a champ! Just replaced a $20 roller tip on a $300 custom heavy salt rod. Was quoted $85 to repair it, did it myself. 🙂
Awesome to hear! This guy is the best i know. He gives advise to not only Penn but Okuma as well.
Thank You very much,You saved me from almost ruining my vintage Germina rod.Greetings from Dalmatia,Croatia .
Gotta thank Brian!
@@ScubaChris big thanks to Brian too,now I have fancy looking rod thanks to both of you.👍👍👍
Brian is a wealth of information!
Rod/reel combo with fishing kit as an emergency setup czcams.com/users/postUgkxntWMOZsO1Zfv-pdn_XuffEtNkTYAYu4Z recommend but started to use this every day. The rod is thick and seems durable. I keep it neatly tucked into a regular backpack all the time with my fishing gear, and can grab it anytime, put it on my back and go anywhere. I just read in another review that the rod length below the reel is adjustable as well, so I will try that too for even more portability. Probably the best setup I've ever owned. I lost the cap for the eyelets, but no big deal since I still have the black cloth sheath that came for the pole and I use that. Very portable and high quality.
Never tried that one or even heard of it. Who makes it?
After viewing this video I took my rod in to have the tip replaced the inner "doughnut" popped loose and I reseated the doughnut and "dot welded" the doughnut back in place. I took it and discussed with Don and recommendation was the replace. Went home and removed tip ring. Brought back and Brett (owner) met me as I waited in line outside the store to see if he could help me. Brett ask it I wanted him to install new trip and figured I'd best let experts handle it. He took the rod in with him and by the time, it was my turn to go into to store...it was done! The service was excellent and the repair was very reasonable.
Note: Please be patient with waiting to get into the store. For the safety of all customers they are practicing social distancing and having us sign in. This is really forward thinking by Brian's should their be report of a customer contracting COVID-19. In my opinion a basic "Contact Tracing" protoco which is not being administered by our local government.
Good Luck!🤙
That place has the most helpful people around! Thanks for sharing your experience:)
Mozzarella and spaghetti, you guys must really enjoy your Italian down there, lol. Great video, very instructional, thanks for presenting the correct way.
Thanks for showing me how to fix a rod tip.I appreciate it.🙏🙏🙂
Wasn't me, it was Brian. Very smart guy!
Big thanks! I crushed my first rod tip with my hatchback and the zirconium eyelet insert shattered (I have an Okuma Rockaway like you,the rod is fine just the tip crushed) so Okuma sent me an entire 1/2 rod for 20 bucks.Well tonight I just snapped the new 1/2 rod's tip OFF and again with my hatchback. #@%$&!!! It snapped off 2 inches of the new rod tip but the tip and insert itself are fine.Well I took the non crushed tip and replaced the original crushed tip.I discovered the Rockaway does NOT like heat(I used heat to extract the 2 inches of rod still inside,it completely went to sh*t) so in effect I have a replacement tip for my original 1/2 rod.I used a utility knife to remove most of the glue and filed a groove along the original tip perfectly and it came right off with no heat.Had I used heat I would have ruined it. I now only have to attached the good tip with glue.I just need to buy the proper glue.Thanks again so much.
I'm glad things worked out for you!
You were meant to glue the rod also, I hope it holds when you get that next record breaking fish, 😮
Good Stuff.
Rod has held-up.
best information by far with many tricks n tips on the right way to get that tip top on. Thank you Brian.
Glad it was helpful! Brian is a wealth of information!
I thought he said to put glue on the rod tip too? You didn't do that...
Buy a rod repair kit from Walmart,it has 3 different sizes of eyes to make sure you get the correct sized eye for your new one,if it's too big it will easily come back off,also you get a roll of silicone or adhesive,three but your technique is the best I've ever seen
the quality of the Walmart kit guides is piss-poor. Super lines will saw through and you'll be replacing again. Don't go there unless you are fishing a rod < $20 and using mono.
Would’ve been nice to see him remove the old tip top but appreciate your time
I just use a razor blade and cut a few thin pieces off of the hot glue stick and put them into my tip top tube. Then heat up the tip top tube and slide it onto the rod blank.
Thank you for sharing this video Chris. I've messed up two poles heating it up with the lighter
I'd rather have someone else mess up my rod. lol
@@ScubaChris LMAO me too
Your mate said to put glue on the actual rod, then put the strings inside the tip tube. Then reheat the rod tip which has glue, and also heat the guide tube which has glue. Then assemble and cool. You only put glue in the tip tube and not on the actual rod tip.
Mine was a very delicate operation. Had to use an ignition key file just to remove the tip. Would've been a lot easier if it was a much thicker tip. Thanks for watching mate.
He wouldn't of been able to heat up the glue tho because it would of been on the tip. Dude said it had a higher melting point then the rod so it would of damaged it thats why I didn't get why he said to put glue on the tip just putting the ball inside the replacement would be more then enough
My favorite fishing store. Found them from watching your vids. Those two guys in there have great stories about braddah Mike Sakamoto. Great people.
I took Mike Sakamoto out diving filming sharks & caves. He was blown away by the +12ft Hammerhead between us & my boat. Being an uw photographer myself i knew not to be up-current of him. And he loved my bungee decom line for cameras. Most of all he loved coming back to my place for broiled tri-tips & baked Haw'n salt potatoes. Said it was a welcome change from seafood. During his filming i was traveling so much we kept "bumping" into each other at airports.
Wow I wish I could have been a part of that. Especially the broiled tri-tips. Wish I had the chance to meet him in person. I miss his show a lot it was definitely my favorite of all time.
Mine to. We both were into fishing, photography, travel & diving.
Cool! My rod looks great with the new tip. Now, how do I get my fingers unstuck from the rod?
Actually, this is the second replacement tip. That's because I used a lighter to remove a broken guide the first time. The overcooked rod blank didn't last!
Thank you for posting valuable content for us!
You're welcome! We have Brian of Brian's Fishing Supply to thank for his free tutelage!
Thanks!! I'm gonna do this with one of my cheap rods that isn't worth paying for repair.
Hi there Scuba Chris , greetings from australia , thank you for this video , thank Brian for the good tips , i will be following your fishing adventures from now on, i love all things fishing including eating fish , i sure would love to see videos about your local species and what are the traditional ways to cook them as well, also love to know about the eating qualities of your different species , just saying , its your channel and you do as you please , thanks again and i will catch your next video, stay well.
Thank you Lenny:)
Same here, tip top broke about 1/2 inch off the top of the rod so it didn’t matter about heating it to remove the broken piece from it.
Broke close to the tip? Shouldn't affect the reaction much. Good.
As long as you don't BBQ the rod tip it will be fine I've done it a hundred times just wave the lighter back and forth till you see the rod tip move forward a lil never damaged a rod custom or stock
Good tip!
first and last video for tip repair i will watch. Much love scuba chris you earned a sub from me. very informative. instead of hey don't do this and do this. you have the info on "WHY NOT" to do this and "WHY TO" do this. you kept me from destroying my abu garcia vengence rod
Thanks! But the credit goes to one of the smartest anglers i know. Brian Kimata, owner of Brian's Fishing Supply in Honolulu, Hawaii. Brian was kind enough to share his knowledge & experience with me & allowed me to video him while manning his busy store.
That rod tip is enormous
Good content. That said, this could have been done in 2mins, and the ads were never ending. Good stuff, but man too much junk to get to it.
Sorry, can't control what YT places in my vids.
I use the flex coat tiptop adhesive in a hot glue gun. On a piece of aluminum foil use the gun to squeeze out strings of different diameter adhesive. Once it cools, select the appropriate strand that fits snugly in the tip top... clip it just above the top of the top top. Then proceed as you normally would. I use this method. Not my idea... it was included in the videos instructions directly from flex coat...
One thing not addressed is reapplying a tip that loosened and/or fell off of a quality seamless steel tubing rod, which is what I have to do on a rod I just received a few days ago. My vintage, and very nice condition overall True Temper "Dynamic" Model 5'-2" length bait casting rod arrived with the tip . This was their top of the line model back in the day, and has the very quick and convenient "Speedlock" reel attachment method! Having a seamless steel tube makeup, there is no worry of a reasonable amount of heat hurting the rod tip itself,....but the painted finish has to be considered when heating.
By the way, the Speedlock reel attachment has an issue, in that modern reels,.... and even my vintage Pflueger 1993L casting reels are too loose when attached, and I will have to prep the handle first with a layer of leather glued or double faced taped into the handle seat area to tighten up the fit.
Joseph Tousignant
Ti Rod Tactical
Watch out for the glue drip lol. had a flaming blob fall on my finger, sucker blistered and all. Overall very helpful rod is good as new
Glad to hear that (not the flaming blob though)! lol
I heated mine and it works just fine and put the hot glue back
If you heat up the steel rod tip tube first at the base of the tube and not the thermal plastic the heat will suck in the thermal plastic when it is ready to melt, if you heat the plastic first it will make a ball and weigh out the thermal plastic onto the floor
Great info!
🌸Mahalo for sharing, bruddah🎣🌸
Sharing info is part of fishing. Thanks to Brian Kimata of Brian's Fishing Supply!
CZcams needs a 5x speed.
Great information thanks
It was all Mr Kimata, i was only the camera man:)
My fly rod broke an 1” & 1/2 below the tip so I did proceed to remove the metal eyelet with a lighter. Im gonna order that adhesive and attach it to the remaining section. It will involve a little bit of sanding to account for the increase in taper of 7 or 8 thousandths of an inch. There is a perceivable crack in the remaining rod section at the new tip that is 3/8” long. Do you think that it should be cleanly cut below where it ends to avoid a future break? I’ll be throwing heavy streamers with the rod so it makes me wonder. If I were throwing lighter dry flies I think I’d get away with it.
I’m glad I watched your video for the adhesive option and info of lighters and their damage to fishing rods. Good to know!👍🏻
Most still use the older style because it does work ever now & then. But Brian is sought out by every major fishing rod manufacturer as one of the best in the World. He advises every company from Okuma to Shimano. And he owned & sold his tackle shop, one of the best in Hawaii. I'd listen to him over these others that say they're smarter but with no accolades. Now if every major rod manufacturer in the World flies to meet these others & invest a fortune into their designs & recommendations, then yes i'd listen to these others. But that's NOT the case here. I started by being with Robles Associates who markets fishing gear to most of the USA. Now he's representing Pure Fishing, the largest in the World for USA distribution. I'm happy being with Okuma but were all still friends in this business. Even he told me how important Brian is to the fishing businesses around the World. Brian helps fishing manufacturers make money & great products. Period. He's told me how he helped other companies from Shimano to Penn & Okuma, the Big 3. I've met these people including the best fishing reps in the US by taking them fishing with me. So yes i do know what i'm talking about as well as i've helped design some products for some companies and a few that are in being released shortly. I'm saying this because some posting here aren't what they paint themselves to be. I respect my elders & i know the real thing. The real deals don't go bragging like a lot who responded here. They listen. I do too. Once in awhile i do have to remind others that look at the statements on this video that some of their names came up. Some more than others. For me it's good to know who to stay away from. Right now i'm working with a new company as an advisor & made improvements on items sent on fishing related products that aren't rods or reels. When i'm finished nobody will ever know what i did for them. I'm following the examples set by others that i look up to.
Yes, a clean cut below is preferred gscotty311.
@@ScubaChris Everything in this video makes sense to me. Can’t even dispute you. That would be awesome to work in the industry as long as the passion for fishing never dies. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
My rod is a discontinued St. Croix “Bank Robber” that I’ve loved. Was a 9’ & will now be a 8’ 10” if I can do this repair correctly. That adhesive is ordered and on the way👍🏻
Great info. Thanks for sharing
Not me on this one, i was the student:)
Smart practice with string stuff
Thanks, Chris!
It's "Thanks Brian".
Gents, A much better way to remove a rod tip is to use a FILE!!!! If you are a little heavy handed with a grinder (a butchers tool) you will damage your rod blank tip. Using a FILE, whilst slower than a grinder, will give you much more control over the process and you will be much less likely to damage your rod. It is a little like using a 10 pound sledge hammer to drive a 1 inch brad. Horses for courses.
Thank you. I use an ignition key file on my light tipped rods. It's actually easier to work on a thicker rod tip with a dremel.
Great info!
Thanks to Brian Kimata:)
The apparent incorrect way to remove a tip-top has been shown in articles on rod repair and instructions that come with rod repair kits years and years BEFORE the internet. (Yes, the internet has kept it going.) Also, I have heard that, generally, the glues used to hold the tip-top on IN FACTORIES, are designed to weaken BEFORE the resins in the factory rod. Of course, this was in Liverpool, and maybe it's different across the pond. Either way, it makes sense to use as little heat as possible, if, in fact you decide to use heat.
Thanks Andy.
ive done hundred if tips with a lighter but to each their own. the key his to heat the tip and not the rod
Nice thank you for the video. 🤙🏻
Thanks for watching!
great video
I always learn so much from Brian!
Thank you sir 👍🏻
Thanks scubachris!
Brian did all the educating:)
Hello from Pittsburgh; new subscriber...is that the same hot melt as Bohning Fer-L-Tite, used for archery?...or a different temp rating for fishing specific needs?
To be honest i'm not sure as i'm an expert on this. Brian Kimata is. One of the smartest all around knowledgeable fishing experts out there. He teachers how to wrap rods to advising Okuma, Penn & Shimano on their builds.
Didn’t Brian say to put glue on the rod AND in the tip? 😩
What part are you talking about?
Great job
It was all from shop owner Brian! I was only there to record it.
Ive had one rod that wouldn't let me have the tip guide, and that was a quantum g force. Fixed half a dozen brands of pole and had no problem. The heat glue is shit though. Good until it sits in sun for an hour or so then it melts, and your tip spins. Gotta epoxy them back on. Havent hax yo work on my okuma guide select. Mire like 1 out of 20 times it eont come off with heat. Just my experience though
Thanks for sharing.
Awesome video, fishing kahuna
Thanks, but i just held the cam. It was Brian of Brian's Fishing Supply that carried this fantastic tutorial!
Carbon fibre is used in motor racing extensively at much higher temperatures than a lighter so.....!? use a heat gun to control the temp and avoid soot deposits in your glue and a 2 part epoxy to fix your rods no problem.
Pliers with tape so you no burn your fingers =p
I have a production rod and heat took it right off
Most will if the heat source is sustained. Got to go by "feel". For me i brought in in to Brian's Fishing Supply as Brian is a master of this. He even teaches rod building & repair classes at his shop. He has recommended & designed changes in Shimano & Okuma rods for years. These companies know Brian. Every rod he helped re-design did well in the market. Most recently the Okuma HCS Popping 8'3" Rods for plugging. It was well received by serious pluggers.
How much does he repair rod tips for
I'm not sure, you can call to ask.
can you use hot glue instead of the glue that was used in the video
I really don't know. Brian is one of the BEST at rods. Not only does he teach how to wrap rods but has done consultant work for Shimano, Penn & Okuma. Not many are in demand for knowledge as this man. I found out my mentor who got me back into fishing used to be Brian's old fishing partner. I'd do as he suggests, but hey that's just me.
@@ScubaChris no way- only use Flex Coat rod tip top glue. I have been building for 21 years and I never knew of any shop or other builder that use anything else, what's that saying?. It's 5-6 $$$ and lasts for years.
mentioned already but seems like flex coat uses a hot glue gun which probably has a high temperature melt setting ..but with flex coat glue sticks, yah, don't use regular craft glue sticks which have low melting points. they extrude strands that you can insert into the tube .. what a great tip - czcams.com/video/I_--H6unvYg/video.html. I have a micro guide bass rods (1.6mm tip tube) and always had a problem getting flex coat in the tip tube so will try this next time
You have to use rod Hot Glue it has the right melting point.
You need a video of cutting the guide off.
This seems tge worst part.
It would be a good add on. But since i've done this Brian has since sold his establishment.
@@ScubaChris The only difference between other YT videos and this one is how you remove the tip but you didn't show that part when you removed your tip. I also think that would have been good to show.
@@NotOfThisWorld567 I'm in no way an expert in this area. I was merely the cameraman. Brian is by far one of the smartest guys i know when it comes to rods. He even teaches classes on rod building. He has been asked by Okuma on their rod builds to evaluating Shimano products as well. And both companies listen & act on his recommendations. There's not many out there that can say this.
@@ScubaChris CZcams is full of people who aren't experts sharing their experience so we can all learn together from each other. I was hoping to see how you filed the top guide off. Because that technique is what makes your video different than many others I was hoping to see how you did it. We don't need to see an expert do it we wanted to see how you did it, that's all. Thanks for the upload.