Capitalist Realism & Exiting the Vampire Castle by Mark Fisher [Chapo Trap House]
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- Chapo Trap House's Matt Christman, Will Meneker, and Amber Frost discuss Capitalist Realism and Exiting the Vampire Castle by Mark Fisher.
You can read Exiting the Vampire Castle Here: pdfhost.io/v/3...
You can buy Capitalist Realism here: www.amazon.com...
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Originally aired on Grey Wolf Feed: Episode 78 - Terminal (1/31/2017)
Boo boo. I want to sit and do nothing getting paid because I couldn't be arsed to do anything at uni. I meandered through a humanities degree, fell through a master's producing bare minimum work and claiming extensions to deadlines.
I have a podcast btw where I mercilessly critique the system. I'm not allowed to continue my laxidasical flopping through life anymore so I think we need to change the system to fit ME. Don't make me do any actual work waaa.
Holla at my podcast, patreon, quip, audible, Harry's lol fucking kill me.
It'll be okay, man. I don't know what you're going through, but it's gonna be okay.
I'm a computer scientist and I think capitalism sucks
@@DeadBoneJones i just think there are large portions of this video that come across as entitled whining. I don't care what you are.
@@TheJavaServer "entitled" is a completely meaningless word. And I do think you'd care what degree I have, considering you aimed your comments at the humanities. Which, you know, fuck history and shit, am I right?
Hey man, you sound pretty miserable too, so why don't you find someone else who's in your shoes and talk about it?
"When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite." - Russell Brand
"I'm beginning to think they just don't want inequality on the agenda because it is a real problem that needs to be addressed."
Exactly
When I was Rich and complained about equality they said I was bitter, now that I'm in power and complain about equality they say I'm a racist xenophobic fascist .
- Donald Trump
@@rosaluxemburg1670 haha
@@Johnconno Yeah, that spoiled prick!! A charmed life: "Russell Edward Brand was born in Orsett Hospital in Grays, Essex, England. He is the only child of Barbara Elizabeth (née Nichols) and photographer Ronald Henry Brand. Brand's parents separated when he was six months old, and he was raised by his mother.
When Brand was 8, his mother contracted uterine cancer and then breast cancer one year later. While she underwent treatment, Brand lived with relatives."
"In the infernally paradoxical logic of depression, I was simulating it in order to conceal the fact that I was not capable of working and that there was no place at all for me in society."
I keep coming back to listen to this section. It really helped solidify something I have always known but never been able to properly articulate. As someone who fell through the cracks of American society to be diagnosed with autism only in my early 30s, I developed this strange imposter syndrome about the difficulty of my life. You end up gaslighting yourself about the undeniable sense that no room has been made for you in your society; internalizing shame for failing to beat yourself into a shape you are fundamentally incapable of taking.
Thanks for posting this.
Rest in power, you were ahead of your time.
Fisher's essay came along at a time in my life when I was becoming very disillusioned with the Left in America. I wasn't disillusioned with actual Left wing values and principles but rather increasingly dubious re: professional activists and self-proclaimed "intersectional" anarchists/Marxists who all came from privileged backgrounds. I saw so many working class guys like myself driven away from being politically engaged because of shame and guilt-based ideologies that didn't speak to class struggle in the slightest.
This Chapo discussion is so apt and incisive. Thanks for posting!
God damn I think I'd like to have a beer and a truly open conversation with you. Too bad I live in Germany. I totally feel you though.
"The specific hopelessness and low level dred, that comes with living in a world with no future" welcome to 2020
@@mediation7997 global warming, nuclear weapons, conservative control of society, the Snyder cut ?
2021 update: nothing has changed.
That segment that Amber read about always feeling like I'm faking it no matter what, that's me.
thats everyone
Identity is a fake and flimsy construction anyway, one based around financial wealth and work is even more so.
Read Fisher's "good for nothing"
Amber......." it was great when there were kings, you could always kill the king " great quote....you go girl.
Losing Mark Fisher was a catastrophe.
Thank Marx for the sound quality
Pst ..... Dumpster Flower and I just reviewed this book on my channel!! (shameless plug)
Your video and this popped up on my feed next to each other. I clicked this first so I'd have a frame of reference going into yours!
Thanks for the upload. :raised fist:
I enjoyed your video! Great book as well! Would be interested in seeing some reviews on more of Fisher's work.
Where's serviellance capitalism?!
This must be from an old one, i still haven't gone back and listened to many of those. I had no idea they talked about this book. Its such a good book, too. I wish I had found the left while he was still alive.
Yeah this was Late January 2017
So glad to hear this book is only 80 pages.
I forgot they talked about Mark Fisher. This is vintage chapo. Thanks for posting.
I didnt know you were in this corner of youtube but I'm so glad im here
That's a total misreading of the Paxman interview. Brand didn't "get the better of" Paxman, he just made intelligent, reasonable points and answered his questions directly, which is the sort of behaviour Paxman never tended to get from his interview subjects, and it was clear Paxman appreciated this and was impressed.
I think Mark would be pretty bummed that Brand is a new age grifter Dore Knob now.
fishers capitalist realism rewired my brain.
Same and there's something incredibly haunting about his work reading it after his passing . As a depressive, apart of his thoughts are relatable on a personal level but the fact that he even advocates examining mental illness on a political level just seems to be speaking for a whole generation that's saturated with overstimulation and stagnant social mobility scrolling tragedies on their phone/computer screens .
Mark Fisher is an honorary uncle to the Chapo Mindset clan [0:00-1:30].
The neoliberal end of history (TINA) was exhausted, and the culture as well. This is the world Fisher illuminates brilliantly.
God, early 2017. What a time capsule this is.
This was a great conversation. Thank you! ❤
Good stuff
An eloquent example of Foucault’s Society of Control!
Be sure to check out Deleuze's theory of society of control
@@FollowBetulas thanks
Zizek is the king of marrying high and low-pop culture analyst extraordinaire
35:12 - "The Chud Contingency." New Robert Ludlum thriller?
I've just recently got into Mark Fisher's work, and even though I am extremely critical of guys like Marx and the Frankfurt bros (having read much of Marcuse and then the peripheral Frankfurter Gramsci) he strikes a truthful chord with me in the same way that Baudrillard did.
It's this horror of having thought so much about Fisher's deeply cynical views only to have Fisher point it out so succinctly...
Also you guys are so silly, still hiding behind the same blinder Marcuse did. So strange how capitalism doesn't produce the typical cultural artifacts as other viciously unequal societies... huh, maybe it's cause the problem is that though capitalism is crippling our souls, it has given us all the Dostoevsky pie we can eat. There is more inequality, but farrrrr more wealth.
That's what the socialists have yet to reconcile with. Our problem is not materialist, it is spiritual.
Anyway, thanks for sharing
Same Fisher, Deleuze and Baudrillard are brilliant and I say that from a right wing position.
If you care at all you might want to look into the post pandemic Matt Cushman streams (Cushvlogs) and interviews. He came to a similar conclusion as you re: spirituality
Really curious why the criticism of 'precariat'? I find Guy Standings ideas in that regard very illuminating and an appropriate way of bringing class consciousness into the present day...
Fisher ultimately couldn't overcome the knowledge of Landianism which gave his project a tinge of hopelessness.
Anyone have the link to the interview between Tim Russert and Russel Brand?
will not be watching this but RIP mark
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
Don't bring a bun to a pie-throwing contest
This was interesting in how the chapos view Brand. Brand's rebrand as this leftist champ is as wholly manufactured and cynical as the politicians they spoke about. Brand was happy being a lib skirting in fashion culture and revelling in his celebrity until his popularity dropped then he read a bit of political theory and swerved into being this self serious leftist. But if you actually listen and read anything by him he goes back into this 'love is the answer' shit which is not a solution or even an ethos. Nice to see Fisher getting propped shame about his suicide
Fair ball. 4 years later and Russel Brand's predictable slide into conspiracy theory madness and fake right wing populism continues apace. You were right and seem to have spotted the signs of his bullshit earlier than I did.
that comment at the end didn't age well. see january sixth
lol
Why dont we create a potilical model based on sociodynamics instead of socioconformist?
35:57 CAT!
Damn, a this was year ago?
Amber marry me now!
*Wil Meineke
I miss this chapo :(
Now it's just "DNC bad" (which they are) but there appears to be significantly less content like this
So true
Why are these lads called chapo traphouse? Are they flipping bricks whilest assessing socioeconomic tragedy
It's a throwaway joke from their first appearance on Street Fight. They thought it sounded like a mix tape.
this makes me so unhappy
Pretty much all of you don't understand that Mark Fisher was criticizing *you*.
LEARN HOUW TOU PROUNOUUNCUE BARDOU! I'LL SLAP YOU ONCE FOR EACH OF MY VOLUMES OF DAS KAPITAL.
its pathetic and depressing that after dropping blackpills for 34 mins they suddenly start talking about hope for 3 mins.
Most people grow out of the blackpill stage.
@@oscarstrokosz2986 sadly mark fisher never grew out of it.
@@oscarstrokosz2986 *become numb
I am a huge fan of Fisher's writings and overall I enjoyed this Podcast.
But please for god sake, reduce your use the word "like". All of you, especially the guest. Firstly it makes it hard to listen and by my bisas at least it also makes you seem rather dull in comparision to the author and the topics you discuss.
Wtf is a Chapo trap house?? 1
Very Foucaultian
The issue with Mark Fisher's essay as quoted at 19:00 is that the random conclusion that is drawn is that his individual failings and misgivings are the fault of society at large and not his own bad-faith actions.
It doesn't surprise me that a well educated, vapid, fake-depressed, woe is me manchild is being championed as a fighter for the common man.
Seems to me that "faked" depressives don't commit suicide. That would defeat the whole point.
Wanna know what really undermined worker solidarity? racial diversity.
Sean Brogden nazbol gang!
wut?
Lol sure man
Imagine unironically believing this.
true dat.