So is EVER AFTER HIGH just a show where everyone is miserable? I just wanna help them all lmao
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The Swan Princess doesn't get a happily ever after. That's why Dutchess (the dancing princess, that tried to ruin every princesses life to get her place in the royal ranks) does her thing. Her destiny is to fall in love and literally die, because her prince breaks her heart by falling in love with another woman. So she wants an ending, where she at least gets to stay alive. You can't really blame her for what she's trying to do, but because of the methods she is using, a lot of other students resent her. She's basically ready to kill another person indirectly, rather then die herself.
Apple White is actually a very nice and kind person, when it comes to the problems and people she's used to.
She grew up having A LOT of privilege, and is consideredThe Future Queen of the fairytlale land, having more power than anyone else. So she is VERY privileged. Her story is based on her slowly learning just what it is to have a bad ending and see your friends suffer, while you have all the power and happiness you want, and realising just how wrong she was. So the story slowly goes from having both sides be right and wrong, to taking Ravens's side and have her be right, so in the end they all get to shoose their destiny and loved ones, and Raven and Apple truly become friends and live in their new normal.
The Headmaster also chooses their side over time and stops being a bad guy.
Okay, let me clarify Duchess' situation: she IS a Royal. She DOES believe everyone should follow their respective destinies. And she WILL follow her destiny when time comes. However... She doesn't like her destiny, as she is the daughter of Odette, the Swan Princess and her happily ever after isn't exactly... happy. Because of that, she is resentful of those who have happy endings but don't commit themselves to the story. That's why she gets so mad that Ashlyn (who has a great ending to her story) is not following her story. Not just that, but Duchess also tries to take another's happily ever after by force, that's why she is trying to force Ashlyn to abdicate her destiny in her favor.
what would Swan princess not so happy ending would be
@Milk-ck1wv In the original story of The Swan Princess, Odette jumps off of a cliff at the end, killing herself instantly.
@@Milk-ck1wvIn Swan lake, Odette flings herself into the lake and dies so Duchess's destiny would also be to die in a lake
i think she definitely starts off as a royal but is kinda, by definition, a rebel.. at least it is in her book. but in the show during the true hearts day introduction it gives her the rebel symbol so
@@pinksparklingbubblegum2660but Duchess was born which means that Odette survived?
The reason she thought it was Daring Charming was because he was the first guy who walked into her line of vision. If she had seen Dexter...it probably would have been different😂
so love at first sight?
you're soo right
I mean the D charming right away was kind of confusing bcuz both of them hav the exact same initals so its not her fault
Imagine if she’d seen Darling first, now that would be fun
@@one-onessadhalf3393 Darling? U mean their sister? Yeah that would be pretty surprising.
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Same! I never watched it and now I am addicted xD
as y'all should
Daring and Dexter also have a sister named Darling who comes in much later- she's iconic! she and Dexter are twins despite looking nothing alike. the charming family is actually kind of fascinating
Darling is fantastic.
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And definitely should be Apple's "prince"
You can be FRATERNAL twins, twins don’t have to look alike that’s a myth. Only identical twins looks identical 😂
@@crazygamer_1082 bruh i know what fraternal twins are lol. my roommate is a triplet
@@crazygamer_1082 I think he means that, even if they are siblings (much less fraternal twins), they are nothing alike in terms of attitude.
And doesn't Darling want to be a knight if I'm remembering correctly?
What makes Cupid more confusing is that she's originally from Monster High, where the concept of following your parents' story would be horrific considering.. well, Frankenstein, Dracula, and Medusa are good examples as to why. Plus, the encouragement to be yourself in all your weird glory over there. So it was surprising to a lot of fans (at least, in the part of the community I participated) that Cupid wasn't more of a Rebel. Though her crush on Dexter is pretty up in the air as to whether it follows her dad's story or not (Eros & Psyche).
cupid IS a rebel tho?
Monster High is a Parallel Universe to Ever After High. They no longer needed her help so she transferred to Ever After High where they did need her help. Monster High being the sons and daughters of classic horror monsters and mythos is about accepting not only your self but others as well while Ever After High contains nursery rhymes and fairy tales. This creates and promotes the narrative that you don’t have to be who you’re parents or authoritative figures want you to be. That you can be who you are without the peer pressure of being something you’re not. Cupid doesn’t have a story book because she isn’t a fairy tale character. So Yea…sorry this was so long😭😭😭
And Cupid has a podcast at both schools, Ever After High and Monster High, where she gives love advice and plans a Valentines Day-esk dance.
What I think is interesting is that the ancient greeks thought of Eros as a monster that even gods feared. Mainly because passion led to very stupid mistakes and things like Oeudipus... I guess her destiny would be something like becoming actual cupid and doing her father's work full time?
But it would also make sense to reason that Cupid would recreate the myth. After all, not all stories in EA are from the brothers Grimm.
@@cheese3123 Yes, Cupid is a Rebel. She is like Maddie and Cedar, who want to follow their stories, but believe that others can choose their own destiny. As you can see, Cupid really wants to spread love like her father Eros does. However, she believes that one is free to choose whoever they want to love, what simply goes against what Headmaster Grimm believes in, where one must love the one person that their stories tells them to love, being the reason why he discontinued the True Hearts Day.
The best explanation I can give for the love stuff is that as long as you don’t have a assigned love interest, you can date whoever you want.
So a person like apple or Ashlyn has a assigned love interest in there destiny, while a person like Cedar or Raven don’t have a assigned love interest and so can date whoever they want to
Also duchess is the daughter of either the black swan or white swan from swan lake. As a result, she doesn’t get a happily ever after, as swan lake ends in tragedy
I've always wondered, then who are the "assigned" love interests? Because if it's story based. (Likes use Cinderella as an example) you'd need Cinderella's kid and The prince's kid to be together. But...then they would be siblings so that can't work lmfao.
This is confuzzling.
Maybe the royals are supposed to be like...arranged married to another royal and that's the point? Idk 😂
@@ginger6readspaceman things like that are where the charming come in. They fill most random prince and damsel roles, so like instead of apple dating her brother, she would date daring, because he becomes the new prince for snow white
@@ginger6readspaceman there are more than one families apparently there is a few charming family in eah universe
@@sirengacha8717 Oh that's fun! Is this a book thing or like a later movie thing? I'm not all caught up lol
@@prettypills That makes sense! Considering that, most of the time "Prince Charming" is like a pseudonym for ANY prince that sweeps up our leading lady lol
A Rebel doesn’t have to be “out” as a rebel. Technically Ashlyn and Dexter doesn’t seem to be interested in following their destinies but they’re still considered “Royals” cause they’re not outwardly Rebels. Similar to how Maddie doesn’t seem to mind being the next Mad Hatter but she’s just Rebel by association
Maddie's a rebel because she believes that Raven should be able to choose and is actively encouraging her throughout
Rebels just think there should be a choice not necessarily that they don't want to follow their destiny
@@justdianax Yes but unlike Raven she’s not against following her destiny, in fact most of the early rebels are not even rebels they didn’t mind following their destinies. Yes I understand they are still considered “rebels” i’m just pointing out
also isn't briar technically a rebel but nobody knows that she is?
@@Houtblokje After Thronecoming yes, and plus with Faybelle being a Royal they definitely had that Apple/Raven dynamic but in reverse. Ashlynn should count as a rebel too, especially since she publicly stated she is one in True Hearts Day
Royals and Rebels are more easily explained as Royals being of Royal blood and Rebels being everyone else. Raven would normally be a Royal but she actively chooses to be on the Rebels side. So Maddie is a Rebel because she isn't of Royal blood. Cedar Woods is an example of a Rebel that doesn't hang out with Raven very often and she wants to follow her destiny.
I'll leave this here, since it's not explored in the series and might help prevent questions:
The Charmings are a big clan who basically produce princes for all the different fairytales. They actually don't know which story they will go into (since there are so many "prince charmings" in stories that appear for like 2 minutes at the end), it's all decided later. Usually it's presumed that the best Charming will get the higher-ranked story, like Daring is the oldest and is presumed to become the prince in Snow White fairytale, but nobody knows that for sure yet. Same with Dexter, he can get assigned to any story that needs a prince
Ohh that actually makes a lot of sense. I was so confused when he ended up being the beast in the end.
thank you SO MUCH for explaining
I actually didn't know about this and it makes sense! Though, honestly this makes this universe EVEN MORE dystopian, the more you question how this system works the more horrifying realizations you have. A whole family lineage made to mass produce princes to keep this system running?? That's.... something alright... and we don't even know how long this system has been in place, if there's an entire clan of families supplying fairy tales every generation with their "prince charmings,"(and occasionally Princess Charmings I guess like with Darling since gender swaps with fairy tales like Cedar and such) it's probably been happening for a LONNGG time. We don't even KNOW how old the brothers Grimm really are. They're literally just dictator/cult leaders, or at least the one in charge is, it's insanity 😭
20:04 She is a royal, as she wants to follow her destiny. It’s just that her fate is tragic, so it’s not a “happily ever after”. Therefore she is angry at Ashlynn for being a royal without committing to the story, as she will ultimately end up happy, without “earning” it. (There will be more context the further in the series you go)
Didn’t Odett get with the prince and get married or is there a different from the movie and the ballet
@@disneymlbfan I belive they are diffrent in terms of ending, (and probably a little in the plot), but from what I've read to double check, her destiny is to either die, or to live the rest of her life as a swan.
@@ingermariephner oh ok I watch the movie it has different ending to that
@@disneymlbfan The stories in Ever After High follow the oryginal tales. In the oryginal Swan Lake Odette jumps off of a cliff into the lake, killing herself.
She spends the rest of her life as a swan and the same will happen to Duchess I'm guessing after she completes her story or when she gives birth to the next swan Princess. I recently looked it up in the EAh Wiki.
Dont worry, Daring doesnt stay happy with his story for long. The thing is, the Charmings don't actually know which stories they're born for. They only figure that out on legacy day. They just know that they will have to fill a Prince Charming role in some fairytale eventually, but they dont actually know who their princess will be. Daring thinks hes going to end up with Apple, but like... Also, theres a theory that Dexter is "The Good King" from Apple's story, and that he will be the one to marry Raven "The Evil Queen". But of course this also has the dynamic of them being Apple's parents which wouldnt work in their generation of the story, but it is what it is. Oh one more thing, keep in mind that Daring and Dexter have a sister, Darling Charming. And that some storybook characters have more kids than necessary to continue their story, so theres a decent amount of EAH students who have no idea which story theyre meant for. Like Poppy O'Hair, for example. In this universe, Rapunzel had two twin daughters, and the older twin, Holly, is the one that is supposed to go on to become the next Rapunzel.
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Later on it's revealed Poppy is actually the oldest while Holly is the younger sister but iirc, Poppy doesn't want to follow her destiny or be the next Rapunzel while Holly does want it. So they switched places and made everyone think Holly is the oldest
@SM-ky6pb yep I know, I read their book
Watching your seething rage towards Apple grow and grow gets funnier every time
Ikr 😂
Little does he imagine that Apple is far better than her mother (Snow White) in terms of personality. Not just that, but to know that the Evil Queen is far much more of an entertaining character than Snow White. I mean, you just need to compare the relationship they have with their respective daughters..
Makes my admiration and adoration of Apple grow even faster, stand out character byfar!
Period
@@xqzqcv7950 yesss!!
@@xqzqcv7950me too. Justice for apple white
So I found this out a while ago but not every person in ever after has a story they are confined to. That’s why several boys simp over Apple without breaking their destinies because they don’t have one yet. If you always had to follow your parents destiny the family tree would get messy because the Princess’s child is also the prince’s child. So there are families in ever after that are just like place holder love interests. The Charming’s are one of these families. So I doesn’t matter who Daring, Dexter, or Darling end up with because they can play the love interest in any story. Everyone just assumes Daring will end up with Apple because he’s the most popular but no one actually knows.
This is also why I like to think that Dexter was supposed to be the next Good King, the future husband of the next Evil Queen (a.k.a Raven).
Of course, this is never confirmed, at least to my knowledge, as we never see Dexter sign the Storybook of Legends.
@@jessicawaters7138 I also thought this
If you watch dragon games their is a perfect twist to the tale in terms.
And that’s exactly why no expected…[Spoiler]… to actually be her destined partner.
I've never really liked Apple White, but I also don't outright dislike her because I do know that she DOES get some character growth. I love a character that grows to be more understanding. With that said, her behavior in the beginning is very frustrating.
I probably would have liked or disliked her more if it wasn't cancelled. They barely showed her with Darling, who was the one to wake her.
@YaoiFan22 all I wanted in life was an Apple - Darling romance :’)
Apple was never exactly selfish. I mean, she is loved by the entire school and not just because she is the daughter of Snow White. She is actually kind and selfless. However, her love for tradition and her eagerness to become a Queen to better help her future kingdom makes her become unaware how selfish she is being by wanting to force Raven to be something she is not so she can make her destiny a reality. Just because someone is being selfish about something doesn't mean that someone is a selfish person as a whole.
In fact, she actually believes that breaking tradition can put in danger the fairytale world. So, in her perspective, by trying to make Raven to follow her destiny, she is not just making her story a reality, but she is also protecting the ones that are involved in it from disappearing, Raven included.
Also, the assumption that Daring is Apple's prince charming comes from the fact they are the most popular students (from each gender) in all EAH. It's like assuming that the King and Queem of prom will get together in the future.
@@rafaelmatos5851 I understand your points but at the same time she is DEFINITELY selfish. I will preface by saying that being selfish isn't always bad, it's quite literally just prioritizing yourself more than others to an inconsiderate degree which is sometimes necessary, but not in her case. Selfish describes her perfectly. She wants everything to go right for her AND be about her! She steals attention all the time even though often not with ill intent, it's still in an inconsiderate way. She wants things to go right for everyone ONLY WHEN that means everything is perfect for her first. Love for tradition and the effects of indoctrination make sense, but they shouldn't apply to every conversation she has on a personal level.
I don't hate her or even dislike her that much in the end because it's certainly a product of the system but she is just straight up ignorant here there's no other way around that, she's a teenager it's not that hard to get a bit of emotional intelligence and critical thinking skills.
@@rafaelmatos5851 You added a letter that makes it Daring's sister and not him.
Well basically “True Hearts Day” to Apple is kinda seen a Valentine’s Day for people with predetermined soulmates which is what Apple has. And so she is fully in support because it’s not about wether you follow your destiny or not it’s celebrating the love that you just “have” to feel for your predetermined partner of your predetermined destiny.
I loved Apple once she got her character development but rn that's just messed up on her part.
More Ever After High means more lore explanations. Particularly on our two new characters introduced.
Sparrow Hood, son of Robin Hood, is either makes you laugh or you find annoying. He’s part of the rebels side, mostly cause he desires to be a rockstar on concert posters instead of a criminal on wanted posters. A very simple reason but sometimes that’s all you need.
On the flip side we have Duchess Swan, daughter of the Swan Princess. Duchess is a unique kind of royal. She’s one of the few, if only, Royal we know that isn’t destined to have a Happily ever after. Depending on which version of Swan Lake she follows, she either spends the rest of her life as a swan or ends up dead. As such she’s a very bitter person, wishing her story could end in happiness rather than tragedy.
Duchess’ concept of a royal ranking implies that each fairytale is ranked, and who takes over the story is determined by where they fall on that ranking. It’s never explicitly stated in the show but Duchess was told by someone, probably Headmaster Grimm, that she could take over another Royals destiny if she could catch them not being true to their story. As such we see her often searching to knock down any royal who strays from their pre-determined stories. Whether this is true or not is hard to tell. Very possible she was lied to as a way to keep everyone in check.
Whichever way you spin it Duchess will always be interesting. She does everything she can to be the perfect royal, but her destiny is to be met with a bad end. And she’s really our first look into the reality that not all Royals are guaranteed to have a peaceful and happy life after their stories. Some get dealt with bad endings or curses they have to overcome before getting to have a happy life, if they receive it. I’m excited to see you continue down this storyline as you get to explore how gray the story can truly get.
Duchess is 1 of my fav characters for exactly this reason! Everyone around her keeps saying that princesses are destined to be beloved & happy, but here she is a princess no one likes, destined to be miserable, even tho she does everything "right". Even her name is contradictory, since the title of "duchess" is a level below "princess" in nobility. She's genuinely a tragic character & it bums me out that the show really only uses her as a punching bag.
Oh yeah, it's actually expanded upon in the books! Headmaster Grimm put her in some villain classes because he wanted her to possibly take Raven's destiny as the evil queen, by semi-forcing her to learn evil because she's so protective of her grades, she wouldn't fail a class just because she disagrees. He knows she would thrive and try to get the highest score because her grades are at stake.
I can't remember everything, but that was the gist of it to my knowledge
@@namikkou think the most interesting part on that is a part of Duchess respects Raven’s approach. They’re essentially the two princesses who don’t end up living happy lives. But Raven wants to change that. Duchess herself still values and respect the rules she’s known all her life. So even if she wants a happier ending, she’s also incapable of making that change herself unless it’s granted to her. Like if she takes over another princesses story.
@@FallenGhoul she's a tragic character, both she and Raven get awful destinies and people are appalled when they don't wanna get locked up, trapped as a swan, or dead
What I found interesting in the books is, that in their fairytale stories, even if the character is supposed to die, they wont. It is explained by a wicked witch in Hansel and Gretel story. Raven meets her and asks her how is it possible that she is alive and not burned to death and she tells her that for her and characters like her there is an exception. That she was allowed to slip out of the back oven door. Its because she has to produce an heir, another witch for the next hansel and gretel and she would not be able to do that if she is dead. And so characters like her just have to go through their story and than they live quite normal lives.
one thing to realize about ever after high is that being a royal does not guarantee you a happily ever after, and not every rebel is a villain. the biggest distinction is that royals are quite literally royalty, and rebels are just the common folk who still have their own stories. the rebel category also happen to be where the villains are placed because most fairytales do not have villainous royalty.
it’s a little different with a few characters, for example raven queen and duchess swan (the dancer who wanted to steal ashlynn ella’s story). raven is the daughter of a queen, making her technically a princess, but because her destiny is to be an evil queen, she is a rebel. duchess swan is the daughter of odette who was the white swan and protagonist of the swan lake story. the story ends in tragedy when the black swan odile tricks odette’s lover into professing his love for her instead of odette, and odette dies. that’s why duchess swan wants to steal a happily ever after for herself, since she is a royal (idk why, i don’t remember if odette is royalty in the original story of swan lake but that’s just where duchess was put for eah) but doesn’t have a happily ever after like the rest of the royals.
TL;DR royals are literal royalty, being a royal doesn’t guarantee you a happily ever after. rebels are everyone else with a story, and being royalty can be overridden by your story requirements if your story needs to you being evil
hope that helps!
edit: i also wanted to add something to help clear up confusion about why ashlynn and briar aren’t rebels now that they question their destinies. rebels aren’t defined by wanting to go against their predestined story, in fact there are plenty of rebels who like their stories (madeleine hatter, kitty cheshire, sparrow hood, and cupid to name a few). the main conflict stems from the fact that royals are treated better than rebels overall, and rebels have more of a reason to want to choose their own destiny since on average they have fewer happily ever afters than royals do.
thats not completely true either, bc faybelle thorn is a royal bc she wants to follow her destiny, but clearly isnt royalty herself. rebels are not just "everyone else", theyre just the ones who believe people should have a choice or also want to follow a different destiny, like maddie who likes her story but believes people should have that freedom, or rosabella and darling who are royalty by nature but are rebels bc they dont want to follow their destinies
...I mean, not really? Raven is literally going to become Queen, and yet she's the main Rebel.
I can only defend Apple White knowing that she gets better, or that she was better in the books. Honestly, I can't blame you for hating her.
defend her in the books not in the show then
The books are written in a way where they are cannon, but not required reading to understand the show.
Having watched the show and read the books (albeit a while back), I never thought Apple was different in the books or in the show. However, the first book does provide Apple with a good reason to feel so strongly about people following their destinies.
Now I don't think this will make anyone like Apple (I've personally always disliked Apple). But it does help explain the unique relationship between Raven and Apple. Why Raven tolerates Apple and her insistence that Raven lives a life of suffering and a scene between them in way of the later long episodes
@@Milk-ck1wvthe books are part of the shows universe.
Most of us hated her at first. I still do whenever I rewatch it lmao
@@singingofsilver fr
fun fact cupid in monster high had her own podcast too!! it was what she was mainly known for in the mh universe. shes in the "why do ghouls fall in love" movie/special thing. shes actually much cooler in the mh universe imo, in eah they unfortunately kinda reduce her to just her crush on dexter :(
She’s also in some of the webisodes😭 she’s amazing everywhere.❤
I can’t explain how excited I am for him to continue going through this series!!!
As far as i remember in the lore they are assigned roles in storybooks right? Well duchess is a royal because she believes everyone should follow their destiny, her destiny ends with her being stuck as a swan so she resents people with happy ending who dont abide by said rules of their destiny like Ashlynn when saying "I'll take your place" there is a loophole where if you sign someone elses page in the storybook of legends you can technically "steal" their destiny this will be explored later in the series.
Ashlynn has a partner she is "destined" to be with due to her story which is why her and hunter are scandalous. Also characters are teens so they feel free to date like apple and daring are a "couple" but apple said they have forever to be together so thats why daring flirts with other girls since they can date whoever but marriage is different as its an arranged marriage.
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People like to defend apple because of her character growth along the entire series but it doesn't change the fact that she was infact being selfish most of the way through and that's what I love about the show. They reversed the hero and villain rolls so perfectly without actually making apple a true villain. She's not evil or a bad guy but she's still a huge villain to Raven (even for a short while) instead of Raven being hers.
Apple character growth only happens when she already messed up and almost destroying and ruin everything
Dexter liking Raven doesn't exactly make him a rebel (I think) because if he and Raven would get married (+ Raven went w her story) they would be the Good King and Evil Queen. In the book it is said that Raven's dad is the Good King so it follows the story 🤷🏻♀
Hope this clarifies:
*Rebels* : those who think one should be able to choose their own destiny.
*Royals* : those who think one should follow their stories destiny.
Duchess Swan is actually a royal, since she wants people to follow their destiny and she does want to do it herself, but she obviously doesn't want to die, so she decides to follow not the destiny of a swan but any destiny she can get, you know? She's a sort of conflicted royal, you can check it out
She doesn't die. I looked it up and In the EAH universe, Duchess's mom was permanently turned into a swan. Which will eventually happen to Duchess, who was raised by her grandma because of the curse.
@@ceeford9919 yeah, but that's basically like death, isn't it?
@@dreo5845 eh, more like a fate worse than death especially since we don't know if Odette still has her humanity. Think of it like in Brave and how Merida's mom was slowly losing herself as her mind slowly becomes more bear-like.
I'm so excited for when you get to thronecoming, that's when the plot gets so good 💅🏼
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Apple white MAY grow on you if you watch the longer episodes/movie things. Daring also has some good episodes (surprisingly) and gets developed more.
Also apple white actually isnt dating daring, according to the fandom she also has boy trouble.
Also, i recommend watching an episode or two with Poppy o'hair- shes a very interesting character!
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Is "boy trouble" a nickname for Darling?
@@AZDfox Glad someone caught on 😆
Okay I really really really need you to know this about their destinies so I hope you do read all the comments cause this first point is really important for me that you know while continuing the show:
While they are the children of the fairytale characters we know and love, their parents are NOT THE ORIGINALS.
This story takes place after so many generations, but basically when you take part in the story you BECOME that character. Apple’s name will legally change to Snow White when the story starts, just like Raven’s will change to The Evil Queen. It’s like that for everyone, so that’s how they can all say that are the children of those characters.
Additional things;
This also tied into the fact that the stories have changed and deviated a lot since their originals. So things like Cerise being the child of Red Riding Hood and the Big Bad Wolf happened because they didn’t follow the story like they were supposed to.
And for Cedar, her dad made her because when she starts her story, he would become Geppetto, so she wasn’t given birth to.
Hunter is the huntsman for two stories, Snow White and Little Red Riding Hood.
Rebels are people who want to deviate from their destiny and also those who choose to support the cause. Technically Maddie would be a Royal but she completely supports Rebels and wants to be a Rebel but she still likes her destiny. Royals are people who want to or at least plan to fulfill their destiny. Duchess wants to change her destiny but she will go through with it if she can’t. She’s a Royal. Dexter is a Royal because even though he likes Raven he still plans on fulfilling his destiny too even though I’m not sure what it is.
I am a simple person. I saw that Mathew made a new EAH reaction, and I cliked faster than an heartbeat.
A lot of the characters who seem like they should fit into the Rebel category but still do fit into Royals are also just conflicted. They may feel the way rebels do in their hearts, but they are too scared to show it, say it, or act upon it. A lot of it is about appearances, so as long as they still publicly support everyone following their storybook destinies, they're still seen as royals. Even if they might secretly feel differently. It's explored more later on, but I get how it's confusing!
My understanding of the dating situation is that while it is part of the Roylas vs. Rebels conflict, its also Hunter not being a prince that could be part of Ashlynn's story. When Apple was talking about True Hearts day, she doesn't talk about meeting with the boys they like, she talks about meeting their "Pre-determined Princes" Something Hunter is not. There are a ton of generic princes that that have no specific destiny that will fill the unfilled roles in various stories. If Ashlynn was dating one of them, it wouldn't really be a problem. Daring himself is supposed to fill the role of prince in Apples story. But, for reasons that will make more sense later, Apple herself doesn't even care about dating Daring, despite being her pre-determined "True Love". On the logic that they have the rest of their future together, so it doesn't matter while they're in school. To sum it up, its a mess.
Two words; Darling Charming. Evidence; Dragon Games and Daring's smile has never worked on Apple.
The character designs and all the little details are enchanting ☺
Seeing you get so invested in this show makes my day
So the Charming family has several kids like Daring, Dexter, their sister Darling and a whole lot of their cousins too. They're all meant to "supply" the "prince charming"s for all the stories that need them. So Daring's destiny is fixed to be Apple's prince but Dexter and the others could be in any story. And Raven's technically a princess so it's normal for him to have a crush on her (not that anyone notices anyway).
I still feel as though Mathew doesn’t grasp that one of the reasons Apple feels so strongly is because in the legend not only would Raven go poof, but everyone in their story would. That includes apple, the seven dwarfs, her prince, the huntsmen and many people they’ve grown up with.
yeah this ^, it's also the reason why some people have been saying that raven is equally as selfish, because in universe they have no idea what the consequences of straying from their destinies is, with the royals believing it might result in everyone going "poof"
@@raiden-meiit didn’t happened tho raven was also thinking about others whilst deciding not to sign in the books
@@raiden-meiThey don’t know if the consequences are good or bad when deviating from destinies. Meanwhile if they go with their destinies, the consequences for them are guaranteed to be bad because they suffer or die at the end. It is ridiculous to say Raven is selfish when she is trying to get a good outcome for everyone, while Apple is only focusing on the minority people’s happiness at the expense for the majority.
Matthew, I hope you have enjoyed the Three Little Pigs, because, from this point on, they will no longer appear. That is because the Three Little Pigs are replaced by the Three Billy Goats Gruff. Also, the little pig that wanted to be Raven's replacement is the youngest, the one that will build the house of bricks, so he would be the one that wouldn't be eatean.
i always wondered that!!! that makes sense why i suddenly stopped seeing the pigs. was there ever an explanation why they were replaced orr
@@cheese3123 No, there isn't.
@@cheese3123 I mean, maybe they followed the destinies of their parents a little bit early lol. The two older pigs got eaten, and then the younger one just floated away on the balloons, never to return? I'm sure that's not the actual reason, but it would make a little sense lol.
Being a rebel is when the character has a traits that makes them unable to do their role in their stories. Like how Ceder Wood can't lie, but lying is the whole thing in her story. And Hunter doesn't like hunting animals, but thats what he is supposed to do in his story. And so on.
But wasn't Cedar cursed to never tell a lie until she graduates? While she is a rebel, her inability to lie isn't exactly her fault since it was forced upon her by the adults in her life for some reason.
@@ceeford9919 that’s true. I didn’t mean that on their own will, I just mean that since they don’t have a very important trait that they need in their story. They’re a rebel.
I literally screamed *“Yes!”* When I saw this
I just realized that I never questioned why does Apple think Daring is the prince in her story....like... She never once thought it could have been dexter
The way that i've always interpreted the royal/rebel situation is with who is supporting who. Characters who are considered royals are people who agree with the idea that you HAVE to follow your destiny. Whereas characters who are rebels are people who agree with the fact that you can chose wether or not you want to follow your destiny. For example, characters like Maddie are okay with following their destiny but support those who don't want to follow their destiny. It's about the ideology. Hope that helps 😊
You dont know how much happiness it gives me to revisit this with you😆😆😆💓
“why would she want to apple, apples proven that she will make any situation about her” which is pretty much the entire plot point of true hearts day😭😭
That's why I hate her, so much. Pain, suffering, and literal torture 💔 😪 😢 😫 😞 doesn't even matter to her than a perfect life with a prince. That's how selfish and entitled she is. An she lives a of privilege and luxury, and she whines and complains about her destiny. I don't mind a selfish character as they grow from it like Daring, but she is way too selfish, spoiled, bratty, entitled, whinying, and annoying. It was Duchess Swan, it would make more sense.
In the last video you were saying, that the name Ashlyn doesn't make sense. I think it comes from the original fairytale. The story is originally in german and the name isn't Cinderella, it is Aschenbrödel/ Aschenputtel. The first part of the name means ash because she had to pick through the ashes to get all the lentels out, so that she is allowed to go to the ball. So naming the daughter of Aschenputtel, Ashlyn makes sense, but only if you know the character by her original german name.
I just assumed it was becasue "cinder" (meaning "a small piece of partly burnt coal or wood") is a synonym to "ash", hence "Ash"lyn
i believe it’s cuz cinder-ella like the cinder in the fireplace she would have to clean, so then ash-lyn ella
I honestly don't know, it was just my theory. I am a German so when I first watched the series I just kinda thought of that and for me it made sense. Also because English isn't my first language I just didn't think about the connection from the word cinder to the name Cinderella.
Not EVERYONE in EAH is miserable. Well, some are, but as the series goes on, some find happiness, others defy and change their fate by choosing their own destiny. The main problem, as many have pointed out, is the upending of the established status qoe causing conflict between opposing ideologies and povs. Namely the royals vs the rebels. Apple does eventually go though development of her own over later arcs that has her rethink her mindset. Apple and Raven are certainly good examples of not only peers and society pressuring them, but their parents as well.
I won't say Apple is without flaws. I will say she and Headmaster Grimm are examples of trauma not dealt with and overly corrected. The outcome justifing the means kinda people. They don't really show their view until MUCH later in the Thronecomming arch. Can't wait to see your reaction to that season.
The thing with Ashlynn and Hunter is that its more or less "okay" for people to date in high school, as long as they then proceed to break up and follow their destiny, but because Ashlynn is so prominently a royal- the implication that she's dating Hunter means that she may not be so strong in her resolution to follow her destiny anymore and Thats the problem-
and because Ashlynn's story ends happily, Duchess wants it (you can sign the book in Someone Else's place and get their destiny instead, which causes some issues) because Duchess is a royal under her belief that everyone should follow destinies, but her destiny ends with her dying so she wants someone else's, but she's still following A destiny at the end of the day
YAY a new ever after high vid! (Btw really miss the eyeliner it looked awesome)
ty haha I think I’ll put it on next time I film
The whole “Apple wanting Raven to follow her destiny” storyline gets so much worse when you think about the fact that Raven, becoming the Evil Queen, is destined to MARRY APPLE’S FATHER and then KILL HIM!
13:23 so fairytale-wise, they really wouldn’t be straying from their respective stories. the evil queen is married to the good king in snow white, so Raven eventually ending up with a prince or royal (like Dexter) isn’t necessarily rebeling against either of their stories. i really like that the creators kept that in mind when forming Dexter and Raven’s relationship (if i’m right). i think people tend to forget that information since basically everyone is labeled either a royal or a rebel and it’s either they follow their entire story or completely disregard it
Okay, so. If their parents are royalty and the heroes in their story, they are a Royal. If their parents are royalty and villains or peasants, they are a Rebel. It doesn’t matter how the people act, it’s just who their parents are. Which is why Ashlynn and Hunter being together is such a taboo, because she is a Royal and he is a Rebel
no thats not true. royals are just anyone who wants to follow their destiny/believes following your destiny is the right or best choice. doesnt matter whether theyre actual royalty or not. because faybelle thorn is a royal even tho shes clearly not the hero, she's a royal bc she wants to follow her destiny. rebels are anyone who either don't want to follow their destiny or DO want to, but believe people should have a choice. like maddie who likes her destiny but believes others should have a choice
You are right about the second part but the first part That doesn't really track as there are those who are supposed to be royalty but are rebels for example Poppy O'Hair, Darling Charming or Rosabella Beauty all of which are marketed as rebels and then their are royals that aren't royalty for example Blondie Locks or Bunny Blanc.
Ashlynn is a Roybel. The students that are considered Royalty that go against what’s written for them are Roybels. This words comes more into play a bit later in Ever After. Might even be a few episodes
To explain the Apple Simps at the beginning of True hearts day. Many princess fairytales have a “Prince Charming” of some sort. They don’t actually know which prince is really apart of which story until it just happens. Though because of how “perfect” Daring is, they typically assume that him and Apple would end up together
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Please keeep up with this series
Patiently waiting till he gets to The Thronecoming series cause I will be so exceedingly happy 😂 Always love seeing these videos ✨️👏🏾
Also the way that I see True Hearts Day in my POV, as a way to help, is that in the past over the years it was celebrated "correctly" with Royals strictly loving Royals, and Rebels strictly loving Rebels. Up until not so recently an incident happened where a Royal and a Rebel decided against that mould. The heirarchy of the school, being Headmaster Grimm, and possibly the land, being Snow White found a way to completely wrap this holiday up and seal it off (why they would want the same goal will make more sense in the future long series Dragon Games) so that is why it hasn't been talked about or celebrated in years
I can’t wait until he eventually watches Dragon Games cuz Matthew is gonna FLIP his SHIT
Mat being reasonably confused about the rebels and royals was so me when reading and watching this series and his hate of the headmaster is starting to rival my own 😂❤❤
Matthew always manages to upload when I’m not feeling too great thank you xx
Hunter is the huntsman from Snow White (the books state this explicitly) so Apple considers him a friend just as she does Ashlynn for being a royal. According to this logic it seems that Royals can be friends with anyone, but can't date outside of their story. Book Apple is way more mature about this because there are a couple inconsistencies
now about your question when it comes to Duchess: She is a Royal, but her story has a sad ending because she's the Swan Princess from Swan Lake, she plans to follow through on her story but if there's a window of opportunity to change the ending she will effectively making her a Rebel
This is SO funny to see Mathew being confused by the rules of Royal VS Rebel thing before True Hearts Day where the situation is even more confusing with Duchess claiming she will stole Ashlynn Ella's place. XD
Sparrow Hood is the son of Robin Hood. For the royal and rebel thing, it doesn't matter if they are upset about their story. It matters if they follow it. Odette and Briar both are upset by their story, but will follow it. Ashlyn is straying from the story, so she is technically a rebel however she is keeping up appearance of staying with her story, so she is being classified as a royal right now. Key part is right now.
I actually really love Apple and I understand why she was so stuck on keeping to her story when you get into the later part of the show. It's spoiler stuff, so I will keep it to myself. She is such an interesting character to explore.
Not even 5 minutes in and the Apple Rage has started. Always entertaining to see honestly.
Duchess Swan is destined to become the next Swan Queen, meaning she's going to be cursed and be betrayed by her true love. She is destined to not have a happily ever after, so she wants to switch places with someone that does. She wants a predetermined destiny that will make her happy, but she needs to destroy someone else's destiny in order to do that
Honestly, it's really sad
Headmaster Grimm and his brother are the "Grimm Brothers". They are responsible for a bunch of original fairytales which is why he's in charge. Also, Duchess Swan is the daughter of the swan princess. She turns into a swan for eternity.... so.... yeah
I just want to make a comment regarding the boys that chase apple. In the book and later in the webisodes it is mentioned that there are lots and lots of charmings that are even mostly unrelated to each other and until they sign the book they don't know which story they are the prince for. Everyone assumes that daring is apples prince because he is the most handsome but it may no actually be the case. So other charmings have just enough chance at being her prince. In the books dexter is always confused about whether he should be a royal or a rebal because he doesn't even know what destiny he will be assigned
This is the best show for you to watch because when you start spiraling and getting super into things, that’s exactly the right thing to do.
Don't know if you have yet but you should watch the monster high movie "When Gouls Fall in love" as she had a talk show just like in this episode, this is the closest her character has been to monster high in terms of her behaviour and what she does, that film was all about her basically doing the same thing, using her Cupid powers to help people fall in love who liked each other, obviously she doesn't make random people fall in love, but she sees someone who likes someone else and then gives it a bit of a nudge, however sometimes It doesn't quite work out the way she expected, which is quite funny, but that's just a really good film you should check out especially if you like Cupid
I don't think I've ever seen a person get this mad at a cartoon in my whole life 💀
I’m literally living for this series lmao EAH was my childhood 😭
I’m going to explain the Royal-Rebel situation for anybody who’s still confused:
Originally, the school wasn’t separated by Royals and Rebels, but rather Royals and Commoners. Every Royal is of royal descent, except for Blondie, who would exaggerate her heritage and make it sound like she came from royalty. Every Commoner is of non-royal descent, except for Raven, who originally chose to stay in the Commoner’s area because she didn’t fit in with the Royals.
After Legacy Day is when the Commoners became known as Rebels. All Rebels think people have the right to choose their destiny, even if they like their destiny. For instance, Maddie is excited to follow hers but is very much a rebel. Royals all believe that they should follow their destinies, even if they don’t like it. For instance, Duchess is the daughter of the swan princess Odette. She is of royal descent, and thinks she has to follow destiny, but she hates her ending and doesn’t want to go through with it.
Sometimes characters walk the line. Ashlynn, for instance, considered herself a Royal for a while despite dating Hunter. Hunter isn’t her fairytale prince, but dates him anyways, despite agreeing people should follow their fairytales. It could have been that, if things weren’t different, she would have broken up with Hunter once their stories began.
I have some fun facts!
Fun fact #1: Apple White has bad eyesight and wears glasses. But she chooses not to wear them out of self-consciousness.
Fun Fact #2: all of the EAH students have a "magic touch" which is a special talent or ability. Like Briar for example she apparently has super hearing but it only works when she's sleeping.
Fun fact #3: Cerise Hood and Sparrow Hood are distantly related cousins.
Rewatching Ever After High while watching someone watch Ever After High
Duchess is a Royal because she wants to follow a story but she doesn’t want her story necessarily(her story is Swan Lake, and she’s the daughter of the White Swan) she just wants a confirmed happily ever after!
She *does* want her story, just not the ending. She's actually extremely proud of her destiny & that's a big part of why she's a Royal. She thinks everyone should take pride in their family legacies like she does. But she's also jealous that despite being a princess she doesn't have a happy ending, so she specifically wants to take 1 of the other princess's happily ever afters & rewrite how her own story ends. She believes that giving swan lake a happily ever after will make the story more popular & respected. She basically loves her story so much that she's willing to kinda sorta rebel for the sake of upholding it. Girl's complicated.
Ok, here:
Royals: protagonists/literal royalty
Rebels: side characters, antagonists, and non-royalty
Let's go next episodes!
12:00 The male narrator is on the Royals side so he constantly lies and gaslights.
13:55 Remember that Evil Queen in the Snow White story was her Step Mom. So Evil Queen can date. But yeah - Dexterous only has a crush on Raven, it doesn't mean he is brave enough to go against his destiny yet.
23:40 Especially as everyone knows that all the siblings from Charming broad family are named with the same letter, if they are brothers and sisters.
The insist of the charming family concerns me though, since there are family of Royals who just pumped out princes for different stories wouldn't some of it being incest, for example Apple's dad was a prince charming and so was Ashley and Dad, so it makes sense she would want to date Hunter because he's not a prince but then Apple wants to date daring charming, but he is the if not her brother, then the sun or cousin of her dad's cousin, so they're at least second or third cousins and that's kind of disturbing when you think about it, because if all the Charmings are related to one another and they always end up with the fairytale princesses like Cinderella or snow white then okay, one of them ending up with Cinderella and one of them ending up with snow White that's fine because they are married brothers okay or cousins, but then it becomes more difficult when they have children because their children are now related so if hypothetically Dearing is let's say cinderella's son then wouldn't he still be Apple's cousin because Apple and Ashley and would be cousins if their parents both married a charming and even if they don't end up with the one that's related to them, they're still distantly related because of their Uncle Or cousin that is married to the Princess, like for example even if they're not closely related, Apple and daring still would share at least a great great grandfather right?
I always saw royals as the people who conform to the storybook of legend and the rebels as the people who rebel. Like the daughter of the queen of hearts is a royal when maddie is a rebel
To my knowledge, characters are royals if they are royalty and from a heroic lineage. I like to think that most students are rebels simply because I’m pretty sure that if you aren’t royal, you are just a rebel. Like Cedar, she’s a rebel, but isn’t a villain.
Duchess is a Royal, but she is destined to meet her true love and turn into a swan until she the day she dies. I also believe she is like forced to watch as her true love falls for someone else.
The books are also really good! They actually deviate slightly from the show. There are quite a few details that contradict part of the show. Even so it’s really good, because some things from the book answer questions and delve deeper into things the show doesn’t.
Journey of Mathew watching ever after high is just a journey to high blood pressure
Currently hating my notifications because they keep sending video notifs so late bUT it is always a good midnight when Matthew posts eah videos
u say so late but the vid went up like 5 mins ago haha
@@MathewMcKenna my standard for late is literally just anything that isn't immediate lmao :,)
No spoilers, but oh boi I can hardly wait for the next video! I suspect you'll blow off the roof with rage, speculations, and/or feelings of immense gratification
Also another note Royals are not those who follow their destinies and Rebels aren’t those who don’t. They are born into their roles similar to Heroes V Villains except it’s different because not every Rebel is the villain or their story or Vice verse. For example Sparrow (son of Robbin hood) is a rebel but he’s the protagonist of his story. What determines whether they are a Royal or rebel is basically their character archetype. The show isn’t very clear with the hole classification thing anyway though.
Also both Royals and Rebels can have bad endings or good ones. Duchess is a Royal with a bad ending. Rebels just typically tend to side with Raven because 1 most of them have a rebellious nature 2 most of them are ridiculed and have worse endings compared to most royals and 3 Raven is there friend
I know what you mean, poor Raven and the other people that don't don't even get happiness. I also the other royals were stuffer terribly, so they can get even get happiness. I hope they all have a happy, good life. Expect I hate her because she crosses the between selfish and petty. I don't mind a selfish character, as they grow from it. But she crosses the line between being too selfish and entitled. At least with Duchess Swan, it is a lot more sympathy for her because she is screwed.
Basically, she is like Azula of thw show. An Daring, he was selfish but the right of selfish of to grow, unlike Apple who is too way to selfish.
Rebels aren't people that want to change their story. In this school a rebel is anyone who isn't a royal or is a villain (seeing as Raven is technically a princess). Hunter, Cerise, and Maddy are all rebels because they aren't royals and Raven is a rebel because she is supposed to be a villain. The royals are anyone who is royalty, but not a villain (again why Raven isn't considered a royal despite being a princess).
I love Mathew reactions and i love Ever After High, so this is the perfect mix
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To be fair in the book Apple White didn't care much about following storys until she fell down a well as a child cause she didn't do as she was told, that's part of why she wants people to do as their told cause if they don't they could get hurt. But also she does really believe what Grim said, that's why she thinks Raven is selfish ,cause to her Raven is sacrificing all their friends for a future that isn't even guaranteed. I do think Apple is in the wrong though.
Yeah she is she kept forcing her believe down others
Mathew having an emotional breakdown about apple always making my day better🤣🤣🤣
I’m just waiting for you to get to the longer ones (thronecoming, spring unsprung, way to wonderland…) because those will probably make you appreciate some of these characters more. Especially Kitty and Apple (maybe)
Apple being the only one brainwashed is so funny to me cause she’s probably the most miserable she just forces herself to be happy. Dragon Games makes her such a complex character.
I always assumed that any of the princes can get anyone that has a prince in their story. Like they're all trading cards in the stories. And it stops the incest concern.
Every time Mathew gets annoyed at Apple White for being self centred I *really* want to see his reaction to a couple episodes of the Monster High series, to see what he thinks of Cleo
So they I've always thought of it is
Royal: Hero/good guy/royalty that wants to follow their destiny- Ex: Apple White
Rebel: Villain/bad guy that doesn't want to follow their destiny - Ex: Raven Queen
Rebel Royal: Royal/good guy that doesn't want to follow some part or all of their destiny - Ex: Ashlynn Ella
Royal Rebel: Reble/bad guy that wants to follow their destiny - Ex: Evil Queen
Alright I’m like halfway through and I feel like Matthew needs to know who is classified as what
Raven Queen - Rebel
Apple White - Royal
Maddie Hatter - Rebel
Cedar Wood - Rebel
Ashlynn Ella - Royal
Briar Beauty - Royal
Dexter Charming - Royal
Daring Charming - Royal
Hunter Huntsman - Rebel
Cerise Hood - Rebel
CA Cupid - Rebel
Duchess Swan - Royal
Sparrow Hood - Rebel
Tiny - Rebel
Blondie Lockes - Royal
Kitty Cheshire - Rebel(?) (she has a whole episode dedicated to the narrators trying to find out what she is, but officially she is classified as a Rebel)
Lizzie Hearts - Royal
The way they are classified is by whose side they support, so even tho Ashlynn currently has doubts she counts as a Royal because she supports her friend, which is supposed to contrast Maddie who likes her preplanned destiny and is probably gonna continue to try and follow it is a Rebel because she supports her friend
Kitty is a rebel, according to the info included with her doll so yeah you’re right about that. In lore though, she just doesn’t care about the whole royal or rebel thing.
Rebel’s are just any fairytale character who isn’t a royal, it isn’t actually about rebelling against anything
13:46 because dexter charming is the second born of the charming brothers, he would not take up the charming legacy, so is not bound to that destiny. I hope this helps explain it a bit :)
There's an ever after high winter special where you can see Daring Charming starting to question things, I think you'll like him in that special
From what I’ve understand, some students don’t really know what’s their destiny. They have to figure it out themself
The dating problem is not dating someone from another story in school, but the problem is dating between a Royal and a Rebel, kind of like the same plot of a popular and a nerd dating
It’s more that Hunter has a role. He’s a huntsman. Ashlynn is supposed to be with a prince. Not one with a role. Like main character of their story or something but a random unnamed prince. One of the Charmings.
I can't wait until he enters the special with the Snow King ❤
Being a rebel doesnt necessarily mean you want to deviate from your path. Lizzie and Kitty are rebels and still want to follow their paths all being a rebel means is that you're a villian or a character who just isnt royalty. Like Cedar wood or Maddie
Hearing Andrew laugh at Matt quietly in the background is so funny
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