i recall my mom taking us to the movie Midway in the 70s ,the US Navy should get more credit for their protection and sacrifice for us in NZ,God Bless our true allys
@lemonite1 The wargaming of the Midway operation was done on Yamato on May 1st and again on the 25th. These excercises clearly showed that if US carriers were in an unexpected location, Kido Butai was vulnerable. No officers actually said this to Yamamoto, but the results of the excercise spoke for them.
@rmstorms No, the intent of the war games was a rubber stamp on operations pre Coral Sea. Yamamoto knew it's flaws but was willing to take a gamble just to get at the remaining U.S carrier task force. Most of the IJN's high command wanted to either secure the Pacific perimeter or to further push back the remaining U.S held territory. Even to Yamamoto, MI was a compromise with the majority of the high command.
Have the book by. Fuchida. Who was there and says about in those 5 minutes the Japanese lost the war. He was the lead pilot for the Japanese at Peral Harbor.
Thanks to the Navy pilots the battle of midway was the turning point of the war for Japan, the lost of four carriers and top Japanese pilots was just to hard to overcome.
Yeah, it was the date before, but not before in real time. In Roosevelt's "Day of Infamy" speech he even stated Malaysia was attacked on the same day. Read his speech. For us the war started on Dec 7th, but for the British, it was Dec 8th across the IDL, which in real time came before the Pearl attack. A date shows one day, 24 hours for a given location. But in real time, the lifetime of a day is 48 hrs. You figure it out.
@rmstorms I think what you allude to is the flaws in the time tableDuring the wargame, Nagumo stated that it would take an extra day for provisions+prep(May 26th).Yamamoto misstake is the fact that Tanaka's invasion force would then be a day ahead of schedule and risk being detected, but Yamamoto was willing to take the risk.
Actually, there were Douglas SBD-1, SBD-2, and SBD-3 dive-bombers on the U.S. carriers at Midway. The carriers all had Douglas TBD-1 torpedo planes and the new Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (basically an updated F4F-3 with folding wings) fighters. On Midway itself, there were PBY-5 Catalinas, Grumman TBF Avengers, Brewster F2A-3 buffalos ("Flying Coffins"), F4F-3 fighters, SB2U-3 Vindicators (aka Vibrators, or Wind Indicators), B-17s, and B-26s.
Yamamoto was stupid. He sailed right into a situation where they had no intelligence and just went balls to the walls into an American trap. When Nimitz didn't go to Alaska, he should have know something was up.
Narrator is Peter Coyote. This ‘telling’ ignores the fact that Midway scrambled all its aircraft prior to the Japanese attack, attaching torpedoes to anything with wings, including 4 B26 Marauders. The Midway planes attacked the Japanese TF. While that attack pretty much failed to inflict much, if any, damage to the Japanese carriers, those Midway-based planes attacking after the island had supposedly been destroyed, caused confusion and concern that the first attack had not been 100% effective. This prompted the debate over and decision to halt the conversion from bombs to torpedos and attack Midway again. It was that decision that precipitated leaving munitions, fuel etc. littering the carriers’ decks awaiting the return of the aircraft for reloading to attack the American carrier(s). Our Carriers’ aircraft attacked while the Japanese planes were again attacking Midway and it was that accumulation of the materiel on the Japanese Carriers’ decks that made the American Carriers’ squadrons attack so devastatingly effective.
@hill9868 thanks for the fact, but i wanna ask, isnt it true that officers commit suicide when they lose any battle than to surrender in the name of the emperor?
@greatwave1 I believe it would have been different. There are many "what if's" about Midway, not the least of which is, what if someone in the IJN had thought it suspicious that Midway had broadcast "in the clear" (uncoded) that it's water condensors had broken down right before the Japanese were planning to attack it? Considering America's industrial strength, though, I'm not convinced a Japanese victory at Midway would have done much more than prolong the war.
@lemonite1 In a comment you made a couple of years ago, you stated that you read the book "Shattered Sword". The book clearly describes the events of the wargames and what they entailed. Are you saying you have no idea about the events of May 1st aboard Yamato? PLEASE EXPLAIN.
Would the battle of Midway been any different had not Yamamoto divided his forces to the aleutians, which seems to me been needless? Anyone care to comment or speculate...?
@hill9868 thanks for the fact again my friend.. you know im fascinated on World war movies... and i want to know more .... not only because WWI and WWII are part of the history; but because of the essence,lessons and importance they teach us. i want to know more...thanks!
Apparently, the Japanese thought they won every battle prior to this one? They may have won the tactical battle in the Coral Sea, but they lost the strategic battle.
@zoyclem I don't think so. I'm pretty sure the developer went bust after their second game, which was like Total Annihilation but set in the dark ages or something. *cry*
I try to imagine what casualties would have been like if we had not broken the Japanese code? I think we would defeat them regardless but It would have been bloodier if that is possible
Actually they were only greatly defeated or slaughtered once, the 25 TBDs that were initially shot down. The fact that torpedo bombing involves approaching at such a low altitude makes them extremely vulnerable to enemy fighters. SBDs would have faired substantially better as they had at the Battle of Coral Sea.
After many years of studying WW2 my opinion is that Midway WAS the definitive turning point for the Japanese eventual loss of the Pacific to the American. I know it was only 7 months into a long fight, but after Midway the Japanese NEVER truly threatened the Americans again. We were capable of building dozens of heavy carriers in the time it would take the Japanese to make 2 or 3. The day before Midway the IJN had true naval superiority in the Pacific. Day AFTER Midway they were deficient.
@lemonite1 I agree that wargames aren't perfect, but they do have some value and militaries still do them today. If you go to your copy of "Shattered Sword" and refer to pg. 61-63, when US carriers appeared in a very similar position to where they were on June 4th, Akagi and Kaga were both sunk. Yamamoto's Chief of Staff Ugaki intervened and revised the # of bomb hits from 9 to3. If you read the book than why are you asking questions that you know the answer to?
@presleyrules Well said. For some reason I can never stop reading or watching the story of this battle. To me the biggest mistake Japan made was not enough scout planes. Only seven where used to try to find the US carriers. The US used at least 30. See the enemy first and you win
@lemonite1 I never attributed the wargames as being the single reason for the IJN defeat at Midway. I also never called Yamamoto arrogant. The book states many reasons for the defeat. My critcism of the plan is it relied on the US to react the way Yamamoto expected. After what occurred at Coral Sea, The IJN should have realized they were fighting an opponent with much more capability. Shoho took more ordnance than all 4 carriers at Midway. US carrier capability was underestimated.
Actually, the Pacific war started at Kota Bharu, Dec 8th, 90 min prior to the bombing of Pearl Harbor. They attacked the British. We had agreed to "be in it with the British" should they be attacked first. They were attacked first. The Pacific War had started.
@rmstorms My opinion is that expected or unexpected(wargames results being insignificant to Isorokusan),Yamamoto's intent was a showdown with the remaining U.S Carriers. Midway AL was a compromised ploy to him.The plan really wasn't flawed because of course, he got what he wanted.Where I think he was flawed was in believing that Kido Butai was ready,wargames had nothing to do with it.
@lemonite1 The flaws in my opinion is the plan assumed the US would respond. When you talk about risks, what does that really mean? Japan's most important and valuable asset was its 6 fleet carriers. The rewards of this operation were not worth the risk. "Shattered Sword" makes a good argument that the invasion had very little chance of success. What if the US carriers stayed in port? The risk was just not worth the reward.
@lemonite1 Obviously operational plans change. Carrier division 5 was originally part of the Midway operation, but the damage suffered at Coral Sea changed things. The only reason I commented was because you criticized someone who was obviosly less educated than we are on the subject. Presleyrules comment was simplistic but not wrong in regards to the wargames. "Shattered Sword" refers to the wargames as, "scripted silliness" and "unreality". I certainly don't think Yamamoto was arrogant.
the american dive bombers make a course change on a hunch? it wasnt on a hunch, they saw a japanese destroyer that was out hunting an american submarine and heading back to the carriers and they followed that ship back to the IJN Fleet. Jeez cant they get anything right?!
/Midway lost about 33% of its planes during the battle. The carriers, however, lost about 50% of their planes -- especially the torpedo planes (90% lost). The B-17s fared the best, with only an 11% loss rate.
Plays a hunch? What really happend was that an American submarine was spotted by the Japanese and engaged by a Japanese destroyer. After trying to sink the sub for a few hours the destroyer began to try to catch up with the carrier group. The SBD pilots spotted the destroyer at heading at flank speed to the carriers. Basically the Japanese destroyer pointed the way to the American pilots.
No I believe the torpedo bombers performed terribly. They were just too vulnerable to both enemy fighters and anti aircraft fire. This battle really proved that dive bombing enemy shipping is far superior to torpedo bombing them.
@rmstorms What did the wargames entail? Who did them? What was their intent? How was Kido Butai vulnerable? What is your point? That, Isorokusan planned it wrong? IJN did not really hold the initiative in the Pacific before Midway?The IJN mo was wrong and were scarred of Isorokusan?
@presleyrules What "couple of officers" said this?When?Where?I'm reading a detailed log of Kido Butai's timeline and journal entries concerning the Palmeira ruse, invasion of Tulagi, Coral Sea, and Midway-can't find any evidence of "arrogance" on the part of Isoroku-san.Also, this documentary gets it ALL wrong.
@lemonite1 "What did the wargames entail? Who did them? What was their intent? How was Kido Butai vulnerable?" Those are your words! Obviously you knew more than you led us to believe. There is no information in "Shattered Sword" that backs your claim of the IJN high command not knowing Yamamoto's intent. Operation MI was formally presented to The Emporer on April18th. The May 1 wargame was a formal rehersal of Yamamoto's plan. The IJN high command already approved operation MI.
@MaxPolej The japanese would have done far more damage at Pearl Harbor if they had bombed the huge oil storage tanks, rather than sink some battleships, that were old and obsolete any way.
@rmstorms I didn't state that it was a rubber stamp, the book does.The wargames were unrealistic and no way a barometer to the real thing;they were a formality to see if the high command would approve.The book states that many conditions were not given to the red or blue constituents, and it is not known whether this was Yamamoto's intent.On May 1st, It wasn't even known amongst the high command what his intent was yet.
Why did Stanhope Ring take his group in such a wrong direction? Did Mitscher direct him to take that path? Was this the primary reason that Mitscher thought that he would be court-martialed after the overall success at Midway?
@greatwave1 Yes of course i care to talk about it. The japanese leaders were so unlucky either in pearl harbor and midway. If in pearl harbor there was a third wave they can easily exclude the main pacific uss navy base from the war. They were very unlucky that amercian intelligence read their codes. if they attack midway just after they attacked pearl harbor and stay all the time very agressive uss navy would be destroyed and Japan should win the pacific war. Yamamoto was the greatest leader.
@rmstorms How is it false? I'm directly stating the book. If the book believes that the failures of Midway were Yamamoto's fault due to arrogance and wargames, then fine,I don't believe that part of the book. I agree that Yamamoto took a risk.I do side with the book that 1.The carriers were not designed for the type of battle at Midway.2.There are many myths surrounding the battle.
@rmstorms I never claimed ignorance inre. wargames, I merely asked you.You know damn well they roll dice on that "game."Presleyrules alluded that Yamamoto, being in the dark about the wargame's outcome, was the cause of Kido Butai's demise.What I want to know is if that is your opinion?I need to know way more specifics because after reading a whole bunch on the subject, I find myself siding with the writers of "Shattered Sword" :Midway contains mostly myths and assumptions.
@rmstorms I'm asking you. You never answered the questions. No, May 5th general shape of the battle sent to GHQ. May 12th-initial operation orders sent to GHQ. Lower Level commands were not cut till 20th May. The entire fleet had a hard time distributing the new codebooks btwn May 1st to May 27th JN25B-JN25V. Can't leave without those now can you? Oh, I see what you are alluding to. Again, answer the questions.
@lemonite1 Persleyrules never alluded to Yamamoto being in the dark. Go back and read his post! If you agree with the writers of "Shattered Sword" than ultimately you must agree that the failure of the Midway operation is on Yamamoto. My opinion is in complete agreement with the authors of "Shattered Sword" and that you need to go back and reread this book. Every "fact "you attribute to this book is false!!
@rmstorms Fine, then every fact I attribute to the book is false, I don't care. I still don't believe that Yamamoto's wargames attribute to flawed planning at Midway.You believe that when you can't even tell me how these wargames are played or who played these wargames.Your reasoning is flawed. Answer the questions;Who played these wargames? How are they played?
@Schyzofrenic87 Yes japan wasn't bad as america let's see Nanking massacre causalities=200,000 to 300,000 unit 731 battan death march total Japanese kills of civilians range from 2,000,000 to 10,000,0000
Were the Japaness just making too many mistakes on that day, or did the Americans just get very lucky? I believe Japan was too bold because up to that June 4th, everything was going their way and got careless.
The Japanese swapped weapons on their aircraft multiple times. The Zeros were at wave height shooting down the torpedo planes. Before they got back up to patrol height McClusky dive bombers showed up. The Hiru. was protected because they were under a rain squall and weren't spotted in the first attack. This documentary is trimmed or things were left out.
@lemonite1 Go back and read your comments. You claimed ignorance of these wargames. If you read "shattered sword", then you know that Yamamoto, Ugaki, and Nagumo were all present. You state that the wargames were a rubber stamp. You jumped all over presleyrules for stating the wargames were unrealistic. The question still stands, Why did you claim to have no knowledge of the wargames when you obviously did? You know that Kido Butai suffered serious during the wargames and was ignored.
My grandfather was in this at the age of 17!! USS New Orleans CA-32! Besides being a great family man this is my most prized element of him!!
i recall my mom taking us to the movie Midway in the 70s ,the US Navy should get more credit for their protection and sacrifice for us in NZ,God Bless our true allys
Plus they completely annihilated the exact same carriers and planes who attacked Pear harbor without any declaration of war. Karma can be a bitch.
@lemonite1 The wargaming of the Midway operation was done on Yamato on May 1st and again on the 25th. These excercises clearly showed that if US carriers were in an unexpected location, Kido Butai was vulnerable. No officers actually said this to Yamamoto, but the results of the excercise spoke for them.
tremendous documentary..lots of great footage and info in only 10 minutes
@rmstorms No, the intent of the war games was a rubber stamp on operations pre Coral Sea. Yamamoto knew it's flaws but was willing to take a gamble just to get at the remaining U.S carrier task force. Most of the IJN's high command wanted to either secure the Pacific perimeter or to further push back the remaining U.S held territory. Even to Yamamoto, MI was a compromise with the majority of the high command.
2 Battles - first the Battle of the Coral Sea,
Next Midway, the turning point in the Pacific....
Have the book by. Fuchida. Who was there and says about in those 5 minutes the Japanese lost the war. He was the lead pilot for the Japanese at Peral Harbor.
Thanks to the Navy pilots the battle of midway was the turning point of the war for Japan, the lost of four carriers and top Japanese pilots was just to hard to overcome.
Yeah, it was the date before, but not before in real time. In Roosevelt's "Day of Infamy" speech he even stated Malaysia was attacked on the same day. Read his speech. For us the war started on Dec 7th, but for the British, it was Dec 8th across the IDL, which in real time came before the Pearl attack. A date shows one day, 24 hours for a given location. But in real time, the lifetime of a day is 48 hrs. You figure it out.
@rmstorms I think what you allude to is the flaws in the time tableDuring the wargame, Nagumo stated that it would take an extra day for provisions+prep(May 26th).Yamamoto misstake is the fact that Tanaka's invasion force would then be a day ahead of schedule and risk being detected, but Yamamoto was willing to take the risk.
@13lackLight ,
I used to play it. Is it still around (i.e. newer versions)?
Actually, there were Douglas SBD-1, SBD-2, and SBD-3 dive-bombers on the U.S. carriers at Midway. The carriers all had Douglas TBD-1 torpedo planes and the new Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat (basically an updated F4F-3 with folding wings) fighters. On Midway itself, there were PBY-5 Catalinas, Grumman TBF Avengers, Brewster F2A-3 buffalos ("Flying Coffins"), F4F-3 fighters, SB2U-3 Vindicators (aka Vibrators, or Wind Indicators), B-17s, and B-26s.
Yamamoto was stupid. He sailed right into a situation where they had no intelligence and just went balls to the walls into an American trap. When Nimitz didn't go to Alaska, he should have know something was up.
Narrator is Peter Coyote. This ‘telling’ ignores the fact that Midway scrambled all its aircraft prior to the Japanese attack, attaching torpedoes to anything with wings, including 4 B26 Marauders. The Midway planes attacked the Japanese TF. While that attack pretty much failed to inflict much, if any, damage to the Japanese carriers, those Midway-based planes attacking after the island had supposedly been destroyed, caused confusion and concern that the first attack had not been 100% effective. This prompted the debate over and decision to halt the conversion from bombs to torpedos and attack Midway again. It was that decision that precipitated leaving munitions, fuel etc. littering the carriers’ decks awaiting the return of the aircraft for reloading to attack the American carrier(s). Our Carriers’ aircraft attacked while the Japanese planes were again attacking Midway and it was that accumulation of the materiel on the Japanese Carriers’ decks that made the American Carriers’ squadrons attack so devastatingly effective.
@hill9868 yes devastators like I said but the dive bombers were SBD-2 Dauntless Dive Bombers
My class has to watch this 😐
the most profound statement in this is Yamamoto saying "He decided to wait".
"In just five minutes," everything changed. Amazing.
Wasn’t that amazing at that time, I guess.
@hill9868 thanks for the fact, but i wanna ask, isnt it true that officers commit suicide when they lose any battle than to surrender in the name of the emperor?
@greatwave1 I believe it would have been different. There are many "what if's" about Midway, not the least of which is, what if someone in the IJN had thought it suspicious that Midway had broadcast "in the clear" (uncoded) that it's water condensors had broken down right before the Japanese were planning to attack it? Considering America's industrial strength, though, I'm not convinced a Japanese victory at Midway would have done much more than prolong the war.
@lemonite1 In a comment you made a couple of years ago, you stated that you read the book "Shattered Sword". The book clearly describes the events of the wargames and what they entailed. Are you saying you have no idea about the events of May 1st aboard Yamato? PLEASE EXPLAIN.
Would the battle of Midway been any different had not Yamamoto divided his forces to the aleutians, which seems to me been needless? Anyone care to comment or speculate...?
@hill9868 thanks for the fact again my friend.. you know im fascinated on World war movies... and i want to know more .... not only because WWI and WWII are part of the history; but because of the essence,lessons and importance they teach us. i want to know more...thanks!
Has anyone here ever played "Total Annihilation"? Does that cannon at 0:32 not look EXACTLY like a Big Bertha?
Apparently, the Japanese thought they won every battle prior to this one? They may have won the tactical battle in the Coral Sea, but they lost the strategic battle.
@zoyclem I don't think so. I'm pretty sure the developer went bust after their second game, which was like Total Annihilation but set in the dark ages or something. *cry*
I try to imagine what casualties would have been like if we had not broken the Japanese code? I think we would defeat them regardless but It would have been bloodier if that is possible
Actually they were only greatly defeated or slaughtered once, the 25 TBDs that were initially shot down. The fact that torpedo bombing involves approaching at such a low altitude makes them extremely vulnerable to enemy fighters. SBDs would have faired substantially better as they had at the Battle of Coral Sea.
Thanks. 日本語の字幕を付けて欲しいです。
They WERE with the carriers! Two battleships, a few crusiers and a batch of destroyers were with the carriers.
After many years of studying WW2 my opinion is that Midway WAS the definitive turning point for the Japanese eventual loss of the Pacific to the American. I know it was only 7 months into a long fight, but after Midway the Japanese NEVER truly threatened the Americans again. We were capable of building dozens of heavy carriers in the time it would take the Japanese to make 2 or 3. The day before Midway the IJN had true naval superiority in the Pacific. Day AFTER Midway they were deficient.
Por favor para entender bien este hecho histórico, traducirlo al idioma español. Gracias.
@lemonite1 I agree that wargames aren't perfect, but they do have some value and militaries still do them today. If you go to your copy of "Shattered Sword" and refer to pg. 61-63, when US carriers appeared in a very similar position to where they were on June 4th, Akagi and Kaga were both sunk. Yamamoto's Chief of Staff Ugaki intervened and revised the # of bomb hits from 9 to3. If you read the book than why are you asking questions that you know the answer to?
@presleyrules Well said. For some reason I can never stop reading or watching the story of this battle. To me the biggest mistake Japan made was not enough scout planes. Only seven where used to try to find the US carriers.
The US used at least 30. See the enemy first and you win
@lemonite1 I never attributed the wargames as being the single reason for the IJN defeat at Midway. I also never called Yamamoto arrogant. The book states many reasons for the defeat. My critcism of the plan is it relied on the US to react the way Yamamoto expected. After what occurred at Coral Sea, The IJN should have realized they were fighting an opponent with much more capability. Shoho took more ordnance than all 4 carriers at Midway. US carrier capability was underestimated.
It is hard to hit 300 knots-moving target at roughly 10,000 feet...
@LurellePiano i agree! in war no one is victor, everybody is a victim
Actually, the Pacific war started at Kota Bharu, Dec 8th, 90 min prior to the bombing of Pearl Harbor. They attacked the British. We had agreed to "be in it with the British" should they be attacked first. They were attacked first. The Pacific War had started.
Mine is due in two days and I just started :P
@rmstorms My opinion is that expected or unexpected(wargames results being insignificant to Isorokusan),Yamamoto's intent was a showdown with the remaining U.S Carriers. Midway AL was a compromised ploy to him.The plan really wasn't flawed because of course, he got what he wanted.Where I think he was flawed was in believing that Kido Butai was ready,wargames had nothing to do with it.
is that admiral Nagumo?the one speaking?
@lemonite1 The flaws in my opinion is the plan assumed the US would respond. When you talk about risks, what does that really mean? Japan's most important and valuable asset was its 6 fleet carriers. The rewards of this operation were not worth the risk. "Shattered Sword" makes a good argument that the invasion had very little chance of success. What if the US carriers stayed in port? The risk was just not worth the reward.
@lemonite1 Obviously operational plans change. Carrier division 5 was originally part of the Midway operation, but the damage suffered at Coral Sea changed things. The only reason I commented was because you criticized someone who was obviosly less educated than we are on the subject. Presleyrules comment was simplistic but not wrong in regards to the wargames. "Shattered Sword" refers to the wargames as, "scripted silliness" and "unreality". I certainly don't think Yamamoto was arrogant.
whos doing a project ??
the american dive bombers make a course change on a hunch? it wasnt on a hunch, they saw a japanese destroyer that was out hunting an american submarine and heading back to the carriers and they followed that ship back to the IJN Fleet. Jeez cant they get anything right?!
no, they can't, the whole point of attaching midway was to pull the American carriers into a battle, Nagumo expected the carriers to be there
@@jdsol1938 He expected them to arrive later.
/Midway lost about 33% of its planes during the battle. The carriers, however, lost about 50% of their planes -- especially the torpedo planes (90% lost). The B-17s fared the best, with only an 11% loss rate.
A more accurate documentary of the Midway battle is the Japanese perspective video currently on CZcams.
@bainesystudios
Do a search on Google using the keywords: "World War II, United States Breaking of Japanese Naval Codes"
Plays a hunch? What really happend was that an American submarine was spotted by the Japanese and engaged by a Japanese destroyer. After trying to sink the sub for a few hours the destroyer began to try to catch up with the carrier group. The SBD pilots spotted the destroyer at heading at flank speed to the carriers. Basically the Japanese destroyer pointed the way to the American pilots.
No I believe the torpedo bombers performed terribly. They were just too vulnerable to both enemy fighters and anti aircraft fire. This battle really proved that dive bombing enemy shipping is far superior to torpedo bombing them.
@principalsuspeito What is the Purple Code?
@rmstorms What did the wargames entail? Who did them? What was their intent? How was Kido Butai vulnerable? What is your point? That, Isorokusan planned it wrong? IJN did not really hold the initiative in the Pacific before Midway?The IJN mo was wrong and were scarred of Isorokusan?
@presleyrules What "couple of officers" said this?When?Where?I'm reading a detailed log of Kido Butai's timeline and journal entries concerning the Palmeira ruse, invasion of Tulagi, Coral Sea, and Midway-can't find any evidence of "arrogance" on the part of Isoroku-san.Also, this documentary gets it ALL wrong.
@lemonite1 "What did the wargames entail? Who did them? What was their intent? How was Kido Butai vulnerable?" Those are your words! Obviously you knew more than you led us to believe. There is no information in "Shattered Sword" that backs your claim of the IJN high command not knowing Yamamoto's intent. Operation MI was formally presented to The Emporer on April18th. The May 1 wargame was a formal rehersal of Yamamoto's plan. The IJN high command already approved operation MI.
God bless Henry Fonda. Great actor proud American
Bill Schilling Banzai.... 🇯🇵 😆
Henry Fonda is narrating.
4 portaviones perdidos en un solo dia, eso si que fue desastrozo.
Yeah especially because the Japanese economic capacity seriously lacked the ability to quickly replace the carriers.
@MaxPolej The japanese would have done far more damage at Pearl Harbor if they had bombed the huge oil
storage tanks, rather than sink some battleships, that were old and obsolete any way.
Sounds like Henry Fonda.
That is Peter Coyote.
@13lackLight Peter Coyote?
@xXTERMINATORx........spence was right sort of they were SBD-2 Dauntless Dive Bombers
and devastator torpedo bombers
@rmstorms I didn't state that it was a rubber stamp, the book does.The wargames were unrealistic and no way a barometer to the real thing;they were a formality to see if the high command would approve.The book states that many conditions were not given to the red or blue constituents, and it is not known whether this was Yamamoto's intent.On May 1st, It wasn't even known amongst the high command what his intent was yet.
narrator is?
Dynamic but not quite accurate.
Why did Stanhope Ring take his group in such a wrong direction?
Did Mitscher direct him to take that path?
Was this the primary reason that Mitscher thought that he would be court-martialed after the overall success at Midway?
@greatwave1 Yes of course i care to talk about it. The japanese leaders were so unlucky either in pearl harbor and midway. If in pearl harbor there was a third wave they can easily exclude the main pacific uss navy base from the war. They were very unlucky that amercian intelligence read their codes. if they attack midway just after they attacked pearl harbor and stay all the time very agressive uss navy would be destroyed and Japan should win the pacific war. Yamamoto was the greatest leader.
@bluegreen988 they did it didnt go so well....
@rmstorms How is it false? I'm directly stating the book. If the book believes that the failures of Midway were Yamamoto's fault due to arrogance and wargames, then fine,I don't believe that part of the book. I agree that Yamamoto took a risk.I do side with the book that 1.The carriers were not designed for the type of battle at Midway.2.There are many myths surrounding the battle.
Purple Code won this battle. Kind of ironic.
@rmstorms I never claimed ignorance inre. wargames, I merely asked you.You know damn well they roll dice on that "game."Presleyrules alluded that Yamamoto, being in the dark about the wargame's outcome, was the cause of Kido Butai's demise.What I want to know is if that is your opinion?I need to know way more specifics because after reading a whole bunch on the subject, I find myself siding with the writers of "Shattered Sword" :Midway contains mostly myths and assumptions.
Fuck yea
Only 1 man can back from vt-8?
great us navy
@rmstorms I'm asking you. You never answered the questions. No, May 5th general shape of the battle sent to GHQ. May 12th-initial operation orders sent to GHQ. Lower Level commands were not cut till 20th May. The entire fleet had a hard time distributing the new codebooks btwn May 1st to May 27th JN25B-JN25V. Can't leave without those now can you? Oh, I see what you are alluding to. Again, answer the questions.
i bet pretty damn quick
The Japanese were winning the first battles till the Americans built their battle ships ETC.
jacquees
@dusan97x Not wot!?
00:03 Sand Island?
Baybe Wake?
Japan was given a warning to surrender but they ignored.
Not at Midway.
@livin305 FU2
@lemonite1 Persleyrules never alluded to Yamamoto being in the dark. Go back and read his post! If you agree with the writers of "Shattered Sword" than ultimately you must agree that the failure of the Midway operation is on Yamamoto. My opinion is in complete agreement with the authors of "Shattered Sword" and that you need to go back and reread this book. Every "fact "you attribute to this book is false!!
@rmstorms Fine, then every fact I attribute to the book is false, I don't care. I still don't believe that Yamamoto's wargames attribute to flawed planning at Midway.You believe that when you can't even tell me how these wargames are played or who played these wargames.Your reasoning is flawed. Answer the questions;Who played these wargames? How are they played?
japan should attact eastern russia not pearl harbor,that is to help the germans ..
the Japanese did not except prisoners. Yet i hold no grunge. Get an army you fools!!!! An navy
luck and lots of Errors made by Japan.
And thats why the Emperor and the Impirial Army was so pissed of Yamamoto...... He hates war.
@Spence44 I know that we are not stuipad!!!
I have the movie
Why that annoying music? Your trying to hear the commentator, and the annoying music is too loud.
@Schyzofrenic87 Yes japan wasn't bad as america let's see
Nanking massacre causalities=200,000 to 300,000
unit 731
battan death march
total Japanese kills of civilians range from 2,000,000 to 10,000,0000
ahh a gutural voice made the battle
Were the Japaness just making too many mistakes on that day, or did the Americans just get very lucky? I believe Japan was too bold because up to that June 4th, everything was going their way and got careless.
The Japanese swapped weapons on their aircraft multiple times. The Zeros were at wave height shooting down the torpedo planes. Before they got back up to patrol height McClusky dive bombers showed up. The Hiru. was protected because they were under a rain squall and weren't spotted in the first attack. This documentary is trimmed or things were left out.
@lemonite1 Go back and read your comments. You claimed ignorance of these wargames. If you read "shattered sword", then you know that Yamamoto, Ugaki, and Nagumo were all present. You state that the wargames were a rubber stamp. You jumped all over presleyrules for stating the wargames were unrealistic. The question still stands, Why did you claim to have no knowledge of the wargames when you obviously did? You know that Kido Butai suffered serious during the wargames and was ignored.
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@hideyuki25 racist
nudist
The Battle of Midway was irrelevant.
HORRIBLE!