The Battle of Midway: The American Perspective and The Strategic Consequences of the Battle (3/3)

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  • @capnsaveahoe3164
    @capnsaveahoe3164 Před 4 lety +6885

    Who been waiting almost a year for this

    • @SGT676
      @SGT676 Před 4 lety +314

      All of us

    • @Salsajaman
      @Salsajaman Před 4 lety +360

      1st time a YT notification made my jaw drop

    • @xJavelin1
      @xJavelin1 Před 4 lety +31

      Me!

    • @Foreverknight87
      @Foreverknight87 Před 4 lety +103

      Hell yes! Took me a half second to process this and I immediatly clicked

    • @NeverMetTheGuy
      @NeverMetTheGuy Před 4 lety +44

      Can't believe it's been that long...

  • @reubensandwich9249
    @reubensandwich9249 Před 4 lety +2641

    Joke is on every movie and documentary, the best one was done for free.

    • @dbznappa
      @dbznappa Před 4 lety +116

      I sent him more money than I would ever pay for a movie/documentary.
      This was a masterpiece!

    • @trycon40
      @trycon40 Před 4 lety +6

      @@dbznappa but is sure took a while

    • @shironasama0445
      @shironasama0445 Před 4 lety +29

      His is definitely the most in depth review of Midway I have seen, though Battle 360 did an alright job. They had the veterans speaking about their experiences too.

    • @CoercedJab
      @CoercedJab Před 4 lety +4

      Leafeon Boy that’s probably the only thing missing that keeps this from being PERFECT now that u mention it

    • @ringofasho7721
      @ringofasho7721 Před 4 lety +41

      My buddy hyped up the Midway movie and I just kinda shrugged and said "a youtuber already did it better"

  • @skybattler2624
    @skybattler2624 Před 4 lety +1084

    Japanese: Such masterful performance from a worthy foe!
    Americans: IDK what happened but we taking those.

  • @antarcticaresearchprogram8349

    I love how from the Japanese perspective it seemed like the Americans were delivering a series of sustained attacks to delay the Kido Butai from launching planes until they could deliver a final decisive strike.
    And then in the American perspective there's scouts giving wrong information, aircrews chasing after lone sub-hunters, guys arguing with each other, planes running out of fuel and getting ditched after not even encountering the enemy, and an entire Squadron that disobeys orders and is entirely destroyed.
    It reminds me of the Battle of Leyte Gulf, when an cosmically coincidental misinterpretation of a message caused a series of tragic tactical blunders.

    • @thepie8u
      @thepie8u Před 2 lety +174

      standard us military doctrine: the enemy cant predict our actions if we dont know what the fuck were doing lol

    • @tremedar
      @tremedar Před rokem +66

      @@thepie8u Which isn't a statement of incompetence or really even chaos, but operational freedom for frontline commanders. If the frontline commanders see a target of opportunity, they're free to just go for it without getting prior authorization...or at least, it used to be that way.

    • @tonycrabtree3416
      @tonycrabtree3416 Před rokem +11

      The US had the advantage in surprise, numbers, quality of equipment, and dedication of war fighters.

    • @networknomad5600
      @networknomad5600 Před rokem +22

      @@thepie8u Really, that's just operational freedom, which is crucial on the battlefield.

    • @toobig7150
      @toobig7150 Před rokem +14

      @@tremedar Tbh a lot of Countries today operate under this doctrine since WW2 it proved to be really efficient (unlike the strict "do as you are told" from japan and WW1 in general)
      But it is a double edge sword, most of the time if you do whatever the f you want and go for your own "freedom of objetive" and then make a huge blunder if you survive you may end up facing court marcial (on some places)

  • @Cuyut
    @Cuyut Před 3 lety +943

    “You can’t hide from me, I can Hiryū”
    - Lt. Dick Best

  • @Arashmickey
    @Arashmickey Před 4 lety +2391

    From the perspective of the American air groups: "If we don't know what we're doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our actions!"

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed Před 4 lety +169

      In an incomplete information game, that can often lead to victory.

    • @SukacitaYeremia
      @SukacitaYeremia Před 4 lety +57

      That sounds British. Straight outta Blackadder

    • @steverogers8163
      @steverogers8163 Před 4 lety +102

      just mash the buttons.

    • @Arashmickey
      @Arashmickey Před 4 lety +5

      @@SukacitaYeremia Unfortunately I don't know the origin of the quote.

    • @gemfez
      @gemfez Před 4 lety +104

      Arashmickey the Germans often complained that nothing the Americans did made sense as well. Bombard here but attack there. Wait out good weather and attack in rain.

  • @ClarityA1
    @ClarityA1 Před 4 lety +4896

    I find it hilarious just how many times the Americans managed to screw something up and it worked out perfectly. Like I could imagine the Japanese thinking “what a perfectly coordinated attack from both angles” while the American pilots are sitting there like “are those our planes over there? How did they get there?”

    • @Chuck_Hooks
      @Chuck_Hooks Před 4 lety +458

      The ultimate screwup was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

    • @hkiller57
      @hkiller57 Před 4 lety +185

      @@Chuck_Hooks yep, if they had waited for the carriers to get back to port their attack would have been far more impactful

    • @F22onblockland
      @F22onblockland Před 4 lety +237

      @@Chuck_Hooks Yes, followed by having their entire plan cracked by the American intelligence and then not knowing about it.

    • @protoculturejunkie
      @protoculturejunkie Před 4 lety +703

      "The reason the American Army does so well in war is because war is chaos and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis."

    • @LordOrdnance
      @LordOrdnance Před 4 lety +67

      Maybe the unpredictibility of the US military at ww2 that caused them win the war in europe and pacific

  • @EcnalKcin
    @EcnalKcin Před 2 lety +924

    This reminds me of when my ex-military police coworker told me he once saw a report that measured military security around the world and the US was easily the best...Because there were scheduling inconsistencies, patrol route discrepancies, and no consistent patrol timing. Making it almost impossible to know when a security patrol would show up.

    • @BobBob-zg5lz
      @BobBob-zg5lz Před 2 lety +187

      It’s hard to predict patrol routes when even the patrol doesn’t do it right

    • @madjic-uc8hf
      @madjic-uc8hf Před 2 lety +90

      Patton said reptedly he never had a plan 1st because any plan is wrong after the 1st minute of fight, and 2nd because how can the enemy guess what you're going to do if you have no idea yourself ?

    • @MarvoloSalazar
      @MarvoloSalazar Před 2 lety +27

      @@madjic-uc8hf Explains why he was the most incompetent allied general

    • @madjic-uc8hf
      @madjic-uc8hf Před 2 lety +15

      @@MarvoloSalazar according to ?

    • @jaimeivantamayo
      @jaimeivantamayo Před 2 lety +6

      @@BobBob-zg5lz Mission failed succesfully...😂

  • @ghostwolf7240
    @ghostwolf7240 Před 4 lety +858

    Japan: They masterfully planned this attack
    America: ......... WTF happend

    • @imtiredtiredtired
      @imtiredtiredtired Před 4 lety +163

      For real, watching all those lucky coincidences that happened to the Americans in midway makes me feel that some divine entity really wants those 4 Japanese carriers sunk

    • @VenturiLife
      @VenturiLife Před 4 lety +60

      It wasn't all blind luck, but luck was involved in those days... locating the enemy fleet first, and tracking it with some accuracy was a big deal.

    • @TheLastSterling1304
      @TheLastSterling1304 Před 4 lety +78

      ​@@VenturiLife And the saying goes "Time spent in reconnaissance is rarely wasted".
      How many times throughout has it happened honor and ego costed a clear victory.

    • @geargrinder5182
      @geargrinder5182 Před 4 lety +10

      Chance favors the prepared mind. Louis Pasteur

    • @Psytinker
      @Psytinker Před 4 lety +39

      "Calculated." -US Navy, before returning to huffing Elmer's glue.

  • @elvintjia8790
    @elvintjia8790 Před 4 lety +1778

    This honestly reminds me of admiral Karl Doenitz's quote, "The reason that the American Navy does so well in wartime is that war is chaos, and the Americans practice chaos on a daily basis."

    • @liam6170
      @liam6170 Před 3 lety +85

      I bet even he knew fighting the USA was suicide

    • @ussenterprise3156
      @ussenterprise3156 Před 3 lety +34

      Where was that other quote that stated that American Soldiers do not follow doctrine?

    • @pcz1642raz
      @pcz1642raz Před 3 lety +17

      @Thx I hate it germans weren't especially "disciplined". They just had more troops that had experience fighting in 40 and 41. The soviets swallowed those whole.

    • @guuiness
      @guuiness Před 3 lety +217

      @@ussenterprise3156 Not sure if I recall the specific thing you are talking about, but a soviet was quoted as stating this "A serious problem in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine.”

    • @ussenterprise3156
      @ussenterprise3156 Před 3 lety +15

      @@guuiness That was what I was looking for

  • @modsiw10k
    @modsiw10k Před 4 lety +534

    I wasn't angry at you at all, I was afraid you had lost your way.

    • @MontemayorChannel
      @MontemayorChannel  Před 4 lety +257

      had never lost my way Jack P, just needed some time. thanks for your patience!

    • @citanazuyo7666
      @citanazuyo7666 Před 4 lety +32

      Uncle Iroh masking as Jack P 😭

    • @EliteGeeks
      @EliteGeeks Před 4 lety +10

      He was MIA, Captured behind Enemy lines in japan

    • @punbug4721
      @punbug4721 Před 4 lety +13

      Not sure if you're talking to Montemayor or the Task Force 16's dive bomber groups.

    • @Minboelf
      @Minboelf Před 4 lety +2

      Don't lose your wayyyyyyyyyy

  • @DragongeekAndCo
    @DragongeekAndCo Před 2 lety +463

    I think the two biggest lessons from Midway are:
    - Intelligence is everything
    - Being lucky is of critical importance

    • @tirebiter4009
      @tirebiter4009 Před 2 lety +23

      Luck Favors the Prepared - Alden Mills

    • @rigel2112
      @rigel2112 Před rokem +22

      @@tirebiter4009 or Luck is where preparation meets opportunity.

    • @AlechiaTheWitch
      @AlechiaTheWitch Před rokem +5

      I find the harder i work the more luck i have

    • @markfish1113
      @markfish1113 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Radar and intelligence is main factor. Japanese with x number of carriers cant beat radar equip and code breakers.

    • @skullsaintdead
      @skullsaintdead Před 10 měsíci +3

      I love RPG's and if there's a skill tree for luck, I put all my extra points into luck. Luck makes all the difference in peoples lives. Me personally, I'm exceedingly unlucky as I was born with pain (didn't even know it, just thought it was depression & chronic fatigue) and then due to a worldwide shortage of a period-pain specific birth control pill, am now in constant, severe, permanent, and increasing pain & thus, opiate doses (as nothing else works, so I'll have to end my life when the dr stops prescribing; this push-back of opiates has many casualties)...

  • @fabianvargas3571
    @fabianvargas3571 Před 4 lety +890

    Japan: Methodical and Tactical approach
    America: Leeeeroooy Jeeenkiiins

    • @robjones8733
      @robjones8733 Před 4 lety +10

      😹😹😹😹

    • @metwo1492
      @metwo1492 Před 4 lety +8

      LOL. Excellent.

    • @Mirokuofnite
      @Mirokuofnite Před 4 lety +107

      whether this is true or not it reminds me of these quotes:
      "A serious problem in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine."
      "The reason the U.S. Military does so well in wartime is that war is chaos, and the U.S. Military practices chaos on a daily basis."

    • @fabianvargas3571
      @fabianvargas3571 Před 4 lety +25

      @Mirokuofnite I actually had those quotes in mind, but Leroy Jenkins is the tldr version of those so I chose the later

    • @blitzkrieg6699
      @blitzkrieg6699 Před 4 lety +5

      Yeah, basically.

  • @giantpotato9193
    @giantpotato9193 Před 4 lety +595

    This is officially one of the most highly anticipated events in history, surpassing the moon landing, the release of Endgame, and the day I get a life.

    • @gabrielh7517
      @gabrielh7517 Před 4 lety +15

      Had me in the first half not gonna lie.

    • @robertch6918
      @robertch6918 Před 4 lety +3

      Yes !!!!! Finally ! Nuff said

    • @Mr.LaughingDuck
      @Mr.LaughingDuck Před 4 lety +5

      Year 2020: "Yeah, might want to wait on that..."

    • @ussenterprise3156
      @ussenterprise3156 Před 4 lety +2

      in fact better then endgame

    • @remo27
      @remo27 Před 4 lety

      @@ussenterprise3156 LOL. Yeah, Endgame had its moments (the PUNCH shall forever be enshrined as a Moment of Great Movie Justice) and I did enjoy it, but overall it was a disappointment. This video on the other is fully of the same high quality as Montemayor's previous two on this subject :)

  • @kidscode3702
    @kidscode3702 Před 4 lety +2326

    "Youre probably thinking... what happened?"
    Me: Yeah! Where have you been all this time?!
    "How did the japanese lose so badly?!"
    Me: "What?! No!"

    • @urban1337
      @urban1337 Před 4 lety +65

      🤣

    • @MontemayorChannel
      @MontemayorChannel  Před 4 lety +728

      haha bro you had me literally Laughing out loud! I never thought that would be the first thought of somebody when i started my opening lines.

    • @silvercoulter
      @silvercoulter Před 4 lety +115

      @@MontemayorChannel It is exactly what I was wondering too

    • @diegonatan6301
      @diegonatan6301 Před 4 lety +22

      That is exactly what I thought!

    • @Perichron
      @Perichron Před 4 lety +28

      @@MontemayorChannel precisely my thoughts as well, glad you've returned

  • @kaliss7192
    @kaliss7192 Před 3 lety +392

    The American equivalent of smashing every button on the controlling to win a fighting game.

    • @Cobra-King3
      @Cobra-King3 Před 3 lety +13

      Button mashing

    • @jasonx1174
      @jasonx1174 Před 2 lety +70

      And then somehow achieving a high combo and going "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK I'M DOING!!!"

    • @Cooli167
      @Cooli167 Před 2 lety +22

      Considering the actual skill disparity of the time, this is accurate.

    • @goblincomic4522
      @goblincomic4522 Před 2 lety

      Lose to button smashing still feel better than 1 move spamer

    • @jwright6939
      @jwright6939 Před rokem +2

      Keep in mind, the important thing in war, is who wins. Doesn't have to be neat and organized as long as you're the last man standing. Or, in this case, the last navy floating.

  • @thefancyapple1823
    @thefancyapple1823 Před 4 lety +218

    All I can say is that it was totally worth the 1 year wait for this video

  • @pauldavis9387
    @pauldavis9387 Před 3 lety +1403

    I find it fascinating that Yamamoto guaranteed his superiors 6 months of uncontested dominance in the pacific after Pearl Harbor. 6 months to the day later, Midway.

    • @swewunna
      @swewunna Před 2 lety +254

      Well he kept his words.

    • @full-timepog6844
      @full-timepog6844 Před 2 lety +386

      Well seems like your 6 month trial is up.....

    • @pauldavis9387
      @pauldavis9387 Před 2 lety +9

      @@full-timepog6844 nice one

    • @TheFrederic888
      @TheFrederic888 Před 2 lety +10

      Though he was the one who proposed, designed and led PH attack! Having studied Harvard taught him nothing about Americans mindset.

    • @pauldavis9387
      @pauldavis9387 Před 2 lety +191

      @@TheFrederic888 I think he understood well. He told them that the Americans were acting like pacifists because there had not been attacked. He stated that when Americans are attacked, they become the most bloodthirsty, ruthless killing machines in the world. Unfortunately his superiors didn’t believe him. They saw Americans as fat and lazy. We saw them as small and weak. We were both terribly wrong.

  • @forsagebone
    @forsagebone Před 4 lety +314

    Japanese: We walked right into their carefully planned trap...
    USA: Oh! Uhh *ahem* meant to do that.

  • @expeditionaryfamily
    @expeditionaryfamily Před 2 lety +255

    I just want to give a crisp salute to the USS Yorktown for the beating she took in two of the most important battles in naval history. She was hard to kill. She gave us everything she had. Thank you. Thank you Montemayor for this detailed analysis. I learned so much.

    • @nogoodnameleft
      @nogoodnameleft Před rokem +12

      And I want to give a big thumbs down to Hornet's Flight to Nowhere. Admiral Mitscher should have been courtmartialed and grounded permanently after that. It is sad how Hornet's failure at Midway is never ever talked about in documentaries or by Hollywood.

    • @expeditionaryfamily
      @expeditionaryfamily Před rokem +2

      @@nogoodnameleft I see your point! but in combat, leaders have to act on information that is only a piece of what they need to make good decisions. The outcome sometimes come down to luck, and the training that allows units to adjust.

    • @nogoodnameleft
      @nogoodnameleft Před rokem +5

      @@expeditionaryfamily I agree but the Navy's propaganda department postwar did a fantastic job of a cover up of the Hornet's failure. Hornet's failure led to Yorktown being sunk, for example. It should be talked about everytime Midway is talked about but they never want to talk about Hornet's failure that led to the sinking of Yorktown.

    • @The_whales
      @The_whales Před rokem +1

      American aircraft: *misses 3 bombs*
      The Japanese navy squad: *confused screaming*

    • @dev2410
      @dev2410 Před rokem +4

      I agree the Yorktown is easily my favorite aircraft carrier in history. I suppose it could be argued that the Yorktown never sank because legends never die.

  • @Zerknautscher
    @Zerknautscher Před 4 lety +314

    11:33 "But before we get to the attack, we're gonna pause here for a bit."
    At first I checked the video length, to see if this maybe was the end of this video and another was coming in a few months. Then I thought, okay, it's got to be the inevitable sponsor plug. But no. It's actually another great, informative segment. Thanks for this, I didn't know videos like this still existed. Great job overall, well worth the wait!

    • @MontemayorChannel
      @MontemayorChannel  Před 4 lety +109

      haha thanks Zernautscher. that would be cruel to plug in a sponsor segment right before the climatic moment.

    • @SerRompalot
      @SerRompalot Před 4 lety +8

      Actually, I got an ad perfectly after he said that, haha.

    • @borjita0
      @borjita0 Před 4 lety +4

      @@MontemayorChannel Please, please, please do go another year without posting. Amazing work!

    • @josephboen178
      @josephboen178 Před 4 lety +2

      @@MontemayorChannel I actually got AD on that exact moment hahah, but good work

  • @adancingpenguin3137
    @adancingpenguin3137 Před 4 lety +721

    Japan: We will plan meticulously for this operation, everyone will follow orders.
    America: "Effff the commander, we going south bois."
    "Hey, I know we're lost, we should totally follow that ship." Nailed it.

    • @DylanJo123
      @DylanJo123 Před 3 lety +50

      The amount of luck these mad men had during the battle was something else

    • @RivetGardener
      @RivetGardener Před 3 lety +23

      Yes we will attack Midway. Doesn't matter that the US aircraft carriers we wanted to sink at Pearl Harbor were not there. Forget about them...they won't be near Midway.

    • @gorkyd7912
      @gorkyd7912 Před 2 lety +2

      @@DylanJo123 There's no such thing as luck.

    • @jedimasterdraco6950
      @jedimasterdraco6950 Před 2 lety +2

      @@RivetGardener Technically Japanese idea was that they would seize Midway relatively quickly and then force the Americans to fight a battle on their terms. That said, the only other time the Japanese had made a landing where they were directly opposed was at Wake Island. And even after said island (with a much lower degree of fortification than Midway) had been smashed by the Kidou Butai, they still put up a hell of a fight. Had they attempted a landing at Midway, it probably would've gotten rather nasty.

    • @Saurophaganax1931
      @Saurophaganax1931 Před 2 lety +2

      ​@@jedimasterdraco6950 I don’t think their plan actually involved landing troops on Midway. The Japanese knew the US fleet would only take a few days to sail there from Hawaii and they would never be able to occupy the island by then. Like they weren’t stupid. Their real target was the US carrier fleet. Attacking the island was just the bait to draw them out.

  • @razzledcroaker3678
    @razzledcroaker3678 Před 4 lety +658

    Lt. Cmdr. John C. Waldron was a true hero. Disobeying Mitscher and Ring's orders and flying his devastators south unassisted to where he knew the carriers were, Waldron likely knew he was headed on a suicide mission that had little chance to succeed. And yet, his sacrifice and that of his squadron is what delayed the launching of Nagumo's counterstrike and drew away the Japanese fighter cover, which made the devastaing success of the subsequent dive bombers possible.

    • @richardhall9815
      @richardhall9815 Před 4 lety +60

      Balls of steel

    • @Fieramosca492
      @Fieramosca492 Před 4 lety +17

      the japanese air cover was drew away by Yorktown torpedo squadron, but nevertheless a true hero

    • @Korkzor
      @Korkzor Před 3 lety +15

      @@Fieramosca492 Yes, but his attack stopped the Japanese from launching a counterattack since you normally don't spot and launch aircraft during an attack both due to the risk and needing the flight deck for reequipping the fighter cover.

    • @dickyarya8204
      @dickyarya8204 Před 3 lety +29

      I do like that one b26 bomber pilot, he knew his plane was going down and as a final measure of retaliation he tried to do suicide crash course toward the carrier. True hero

    • @Th3Kingism
      @Th3Kingism Před 3 lety +2

      It was amazing that his plane carried him to the IJN CV group because his balls were so huge they should've made it impossible for his plane to take off from the Hornet.

  • @slave2misery
    @slave2misery Před 2 lety +301

    as a Navy vet, i learned more about this battle of midway in this series than i ever did on AD. This was the first time i've seen any of the battles of WWII told from the losing side's perspective. I enjoyed your usage of simple map illustrations and you told the events in a way that kept a good pace that was easy to follow and was not boring. well done!

  • @yodef6828
    @yodef6828 Před 4 lety +1025

    "If we don't know what we're doing our enemy won't do either"

    • @richardsanchez9190
      @richardsanchez9190 Před 4 lety +28

      Hahaha dude that's funny as hell

    • @mattwest1732
      @mattwest1732 Před 4 lety +36

      This quote is so underrated. 😂

    • @dragonsplayz1271
      @dragonsplayz1271 Před 3 lety +8

      nice

    • @chrisgould101
      @chrisgould101 Před 3 lety +24

      I like the plan Jim. Let's do it. ready the men and distribute the whiskey

    • @daveroberts2296
      @daveroberts2296 Před 3 lety +2

      yodef 682: Well done, Secret Agent 682. Apparently, the line comes from that well known movie, "The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp", made in 1943.

  • @WilhelmScreamer
    @WilhelmScreamer Před 4 lety +237

    Americans winning through not even following their own plans is just so perfect

    • @oKirin-
      @oKirin- Před 4 lety +43

      Classic American military strategy.

    • @TheEDFLegacy
      @TheEDFLegacy Před 4 lety +8

      @@oKirin- Throw things at walls and see what sticks? And if all else fails, throw bigger things? 😉

    • @illuminati.official
      @illuminati.official Před 4 lety +4

      @@oKirin- Works for everything but a land war in Asia.

    • @eodyn7
      @eodyn7 Před 4 lety +25

      @@illuminati.official The US has never truly fought an all out land war in Asia. Korea was a borderline policing action and Vietnam wasn't all out war. Way too many doctrines that they had to follow. Basically fighting with one arm behind your back.

    • @brotlowskyrgseg1018
      @brotlowskyrgseg1018 Před 4 lety +17

      This reminds me of that probably apocryphal, though definitely accurate, assessment by Soviet military strategists: "A serious problem in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine."

  • @maverickloggins5470
    @maverickloggins5470 Před 4 lety +309

    THE LEGEND RETURNS
    I’d been waiting so long, but it’s worth it

    • @MontemayorChannel
      @MontemayorChannel  Před 4 lety +64

      haha thanks Maverick Loggins!

    • @maverickloggins5470
      @maverickloggins5470 Před 4 lety +14

      Thank *you* man! I love your videos I can’t wait to see what else you make. Maybe Guadalcanal? lol fr tho just happy to see from you again

    • @hellascommentor
      @hellascommentor Před 4 lety +4

      @@MontemayorChannel no, for a lot of us even if we don't know each other. You are a legend. We truly respect that objectivity and the amazing job you do for us. CZcams, Netflix, etc. should give a show/create content for them and use your potential.

    • @zackyjenkinson6902
      @zackyjenkinson6902 Před 4 lety +3

      @@MontemayorChannel Thank you for making this. It is by far the most detailed video series on this naval battle. It would be great if you did one on the Indian Ocean Raid of 1942 since it gets nowhere near the attention it deserves as one of Britain's most humiliating naval defeats ever.

    • @jeffbenton6183
      @jeffbenton6183 Před 4 lety

      @@MontemayorChannel Could you do the other carrier battles like Phillipine Sea and Santa Cruz, please? I'll wait.

  • @matthewabraham5947
    @matthewabraham5947 Před 2 lety +133

    I love how you get into the thinking of the players. I never thought about an admiral saying, "lets take this route because we have better cloud cover". Makes perfect sense.

    • @AndrewGivens
      @AndrewGivens Před rokem +1

      Ironically it's exactly what the Kriegsmarine used to do - and they also did it because they had a numerical disadvantage so had to lever tactical advantages in other ways. Same problem, same thinking. I begin to come around to the idea that armed forces often perform best when they are seriously challenged, as opposed to when they have lots of advantages to begin with. They often rise to the challenge and think more cleverly.

    • @MarsJenkar
      @MarsJenkar Před rokem

      I wanna say that the carrier _Enterprise_ survived at least one later battle because she entered cloud cover at just the right moment to avoid getting spotted. The "Big E" went on to be one of the most decorated ships of the war.

  • @iiTzoreo1
    @iiTzoreo1 Před 4 lety +871

    The Japanese: THEIR TIMING IS IMPECCABLE
    The Americans: lol ay it’s the homies tf y’all doing here?

    • @Secret_Moon
      @Secret_Moon Před 4 lety +17

      @phillyslasher The Americans could afford to be "flexible" because they got clear upper hand to the Japanese through intelligence and pure luck. If you watch the video from the Japanese side again, there was really no option to them. Meanwhile the American fleet was completely hidden from the enemy, so their commanders and pilots could pull all the gut instincts and deviations from doctrine they wanted without worrying too much about consequences.

    • @eric24567
      @eric24567 Před 4 lety +4

      Ain't even gonna try to hide, almost choked on my own saliva because I laughed too hard. You're freaking hilarious.

    • @Secret_Moon
      @Secret_Moon Před 4 lety +5

      @phillyslasher First, you say the Japaneses were restrictive and didn't change their course as if there had been any option for them. They were led into an ambush and kept on their feet the whole time the only thing they could do was dodging. Had it been Fletcher or any other American commander, they would have made the same choices (if there had actually been any choice) and the outcome would have been the same.
      Second, as I said, the Americans were on the safe side. Thanks to intelligence and also luck, they knew where the Japaneses were while stayed hidden the whole time. That's why their pilots could afford to take chance flying off course. Even if those deviations hadn't worked out for them, they wouldn't have lost anything. The Japaneses didn't have that luxury.
      Third, what exactly did the Americans "adapt to" anyway? They set up an ambush, and everything went perfectly according to their plan. The few times they messed up the coordination was because of incompetence, not because of genius hindsight. By pure luck that incompetence ended up working well for them. It was as much "flexibility" as saying you got a 6 rolling a dice because you're a genius at math.
      And yes, I am saying that had it been not for that luck, the outcome of the battle could have been very different. We see how incompetent and uncoordinated the Americans were. Had the last 2 dive bomber groups not converged on the Japaneses with such impeccable timing and saturated their defense, they could have got off with at least 2 carriers untouched given the skill of the American pilots. By then who know what could have happened. The Japaneses could have pulled at least a draw.

    • @kaineternal
      @kaineternal Před 4 lety +7

      @@Secret_Moon The video doesn't note this, but actually the "unintended" consequence of the uncoordinated piecemeal attacks keeping the Japanese off balance was likely entirely intended by Spruance. So while intel/luck were hugely important I can't agree with you.
      Japanese carrier doctrine left them especially vulnerable and it makes no sense to say that the Americans would have done the exact same thing when they in fact made it a point not to.

    • @Secret_Moon
      @Secret_Moon Před 4 lety +9

      @@kaineternal Lol, I knew someone was gonna claim the American piecemeal attacks was intentional.
      Ok, let's just put aside the implication that the American commanders deliberately threw their pilots at the Japaneses squadron by squadron to be shot down one by one by the outnumbering Zero, just think about it for a moment, what did that accomplish exactly compared to a massive coordinated wave of attack? The first wave from the American carriers that reached the Japanese was the VT-6 with only 14 Devastators. Imagine if this wave had been a hundred planes. There would have been no need for the "genius piecemeal strategy" to hinder the Japaneses as the Americans could have swamped, saturated the Japanese defense and ended them right then and there, with minimal loss.
      So no, do not think of the American piecemeal attacks as a genuis strategy that defied conventional doctrine. Think of it as a big blunder that ended up costing a lot of American pilot lives that luckily somehow STILL worked out for them, despite with much heavier cost.
      And if you claim the Americans would have done differently had they been in Japanese shoes, then what exactly would they have done differently? Amphibious landing on Midway with the carriers, and towing the ships inland to hide?

  • @The_Devil_Himself
    @The_Devil_Himself Před 4 lety +254

    Never clicked so fast. Especially since I saw the new film Midway AFTER seeing Part I. Your first video was so spot on, that it's basically a custom-made companion piece to Midway. I watched as your video played out on the movie screen, and I was able to keep my confused buddies up to date on what was happening.
    It was glorious.

    • @MontemayorChannel
      @MontemayorChannel  Před 4 lety +75

      ah, that's great man. I'm glad i was able to bring some clarity to this confusing battle.

    • @lonewoulf
      @lonewoulf Před 4 lety +4

      I actually have been to the US WW2 museum since part 1 came out, and was explaining several parts of the battle to my friends I was with. Great feeling!

    • @mr.s2005
      @mr.s2005 Před 4 lety +2

      personally I just wish they got the right order of the U..S. torpedo plane attacks and had included Yorktown's Torpedo planes. Though I understand for the sake of time and money why they didn't include or any of the U.S fighter pilots contributions, probably cheaper to only show anti-aircraft fire taking shooting down the planes instead of the zeros.

    • @dbznappa
      @dbznappa Před 4 lety

      I know right!! I was surprised how much I loved Midway. I think it was because of part one of this series.
      As much as I loved Midway however, this series knocked it out of the park, and I will watch it many times over the years!

    • @jessepolka
      @jessepolka Před 4 lety +1

      @@MontemayorChannel It was a superb job of historical writing and filming. Thank you....

  • @luispt77
    @luispt77 Před 3 lety +442

    The really terrifying part of naval warfare is that it took years and a vast amount of resources to build the infamous kido butai carrier fleet...just to have 3 of those carriers destroyed in 5 minutes, and the 4th some hours later, by a couple of cheap carrier planes.

    • @gincatgoogle6213
      @gincatgoogle6213 Před 3 lety +20

      Hypersonic missiles are the same (cheap to build and devastating).

    • @Cobra-King3
      @Cobra-King3 Před 3 lety +84

      @@gincatgoogle6213 I wouldn't call them cheap, but when compared to ships, then yes, considered cheap

    • @hengineer
      @hengineer Před 2 lety +49

      I saw the timeline of the ending of the 1st video and was like "Wait Midway was decided in 4 freaking minutes?"

    • @bkmeahan
      @bkmeahan Před 2 lety +18

      That is the criticism of modern aircraft carriers. They are so expensive in and of themselves. Add in the air wings and personnel and they are too valuable to risk in real battle. The loss of even one would be devastating.

    • @andrewzheng4038
      @andrewzheng4038 Před 2 lety +39

      Tbf those "cheap carrier planes" had to come from big expensive carriers themselves.
      If you think of the planes as weapons of the carriers (which they are) the ratio of build vs. destruction resources is way less lopsided

  • @sp3nc3rgrant82
    @sp3nc3rgrant82 Před 2 lety +380

    Gotta comment! For decades, I've known that Midway was a crucial battle that occurred relatively early in the war. I never took the time to see the battle dissected - or even watched the movie.
    Thank you for guiding me through this engagement. I ESPECIALLY LIKED YOU TAKING THE JAPANESE PERSPECTIVE FIRST. That approach was huge for me.
    At my age, I appreciate a balanced portrayal of events as opposed to the jingoistic recountings that I grew up on. I'm an American for America, yet I know we're not always right and our leadership can be flawed.
    The first battle I really studied was Gettysburg while reading "The Killer Angels." I learned that major battles can begin as seemingly small skirmishes, and that good leaders making astute decisions early on can set the stage for eventual victory. I also learned that real lives are lost - souls perish. In this video, I felt as much sadness for the loss of Japanese lives as I felt for the loss of American lives. General W.T. Sherman was right: "War is hell."

    • @davidcroft9320
      @davidcroft9320 Před 2 lety +3

      If you are really interested, get a copy of "Shattered Sword" Parshall & Tully, it will knock your socks off.

    • @michaeltarno2979
      @michaeltarno2979 Před 2 lety +5

      If you are interested by the view from the other angle, try Hiroshima: Out of the Ashes (1990)

    • @lifediversified8932
      @lifediversified8932 Před 2 lety +2

      it is an odd thing to feel empathy for the japanese after pearl harbor and thinking that they were planning on expanding their empire as far as they could as seeing the map of their successful expansion. i too during the video when hearing/seeing the numbers after their carriers went down, did NOT jump up and down with joy but was just thankful after the several failed mini-campaigns of the US during midway, a major victory strike was finally pulled off.
      i did wonder why there was no commentary about rescue boats/life rafts for the japanese figuring there was no way that everyone on those carriers died even from the extensive damage taken. - i can't imagine that pain one would feel thinking of not being able to return from such a beating in the midst of a much larger war to one's family, fellow soldiers and one's own country. i was aware of the suicide code of "honor" but didn't realize it could/would be applied on a large scale, not that i'm saying all survivors did.
      i too watched all 3 parts sequentially with NO intention of watching all of the first one at 40 +/- minutes. it went by FAST and could've even watched more to my surprise.

    • @Senkino5o
      @Senkino5o Před 2 lety +1

      I don't think its right to feel equally about the death and suffering of your enemy as that of your countrymen.

    • @BetterOnichThanSorry
      @BetterOnichThanSorry Před 2 lety +2

      @@lifediversified8932 Japanese expansion was limited to China and Vietnam (the latter only in order to cut off re-supply routes to the Chinese) until the United States threatened to cut oil. Contrary to popular belief, we didn't particularly care about the Chinese, but were more alarmed about Japan invading Vietnam, a European colony, in order to cut off Chinese resupply, since it challenged European control in the region.
      The Japanese invaded American, British and Dutch colonial possessions in the Pacific in order to take their natural resources to off-set the oil cut by the United States. Japan was unwilling to pull out of China after 4 years of brutal war, and the United States was unwilling to entertain the notion of Japan challenging European control in Asia. Not only that, but were Japan to concede to the United States' demands, it would essentially be on a leash going into the future, since the United States could use oil to control Japan's decision making.
      It's also not unlike the United States is a stranger to expansion; continentally we started out with less than half of what we have today before our wars against Mexico, Britain (how we took a portion of Florida) and the various Western tribes, not to mention our overseas acquistions in the Spanish-American, Philippine-American and Samoan Wars.
      The first half of my post also isn't to suggest the Japanese were 'liberating' Asia from European 'oppressors'; the Japanese of course were expanding into China and Vietnam for the same reasons the United States expanded into Mexico and the Caribbean. Ultimately I don't think either *government* had moral superiority over the other (as much as people like to split hairs about the severity of war crimes), and ultimately the *citizens* of both nations were the victims of their government's expansion and failures to negotiate, and their deaths warrant equal sympathy.

  • @user-rr9ng9bo9l
    @user-rr9ng9bo9l Před 3 lety +1702

    Japanese commanders: they must have been the greatest tacticians i've ever seen
    Americans: WHAT IS HAPPENING!?

    • @dashiellgillingham4579
      @dashiellgillingham4579 Před 3 lety +323

      “ONE OF THESE BULLETS HAS YOUR NAME ON IT, AND IM GOING TO KEEP FIRING UNTIL I FIND OUT WHICH ONE IT IS!”

    • @DeliciousManX
      @DeliciousManX Před 3 lety +49

      SUPAH DEADLY ACTION!!!

    • @afterglowproductions8547
      @afterglowproductions8547 Před 3 lety +150

      Admirals: let's do this (make smart decision)
      Pilots: let's do THIs (make a smart decision, but a completely different one)
      Admirals and Pilots: wait how is this WORKING????

    • @vitaliishinov5421
      @vitaliishinov5421 Před 3 lety +4

      Лорд коммандер херни не скажет.

    • @yukishi2746
      @yukishi2746 Před 3 lety +68

      America: *RANDOM BULLSHIT GO*

  • @08JuHan
    @08JuHan Před 4 lety +244

    The more I learn about history, the more I feel that most major events are engendered by a stream of coincidences.

    • @HitokiriShaggyTTV
      @HitokiriShaggyTTV Před 4 lety +2

      He is my original poster I subscribed to. I've added a total of 4 in the few years since.

    • @tristankreller5830
      @tristankreller5830 Před 4 lety +38

      "No plan survives the first enemy contact" - Helmuth von Moltke

    • @NaumRusomarov
      @NaumRusomarov Před 4 lety +6

      wars are mostly battles of numbers -- of people and industrial production. by the end of the war, the us had something like a hundred carriers and a thousands other warships. that's a production of a bit more than 2 carriers per month.

    • @fearedjames
      @fearedjames Před 4 lety +7

      @@tristankreller5830 In this case, the US's plan actually died before first contact, but sheer luck pulled a victory out of thin air.

    • @fearedjames
      @fearedjames Před 4 lety +8

      @@NaumRusomarov They are often heavily controlled by them, but there is plenty of David vs Goliath examples in history. In the case of WW2, it was an ant trying to take on a tank. American industrial power was insane, even if the Americans fucked up every military operation they did, they may as well of had infinite resources compared to any other nation in WW2. There's a statistic somewhere that shows that America had over 50% the entire worlds industrial capacity.

  • @royprincipe
    @royprincipe Před 4 lety +373

    Murphy’s Laws of Combat 18: If your attack is going well, you have walked into an ambush.

    • @NimbleBard48
      @NimbleBard48 Před 4 lety +43

      Murphy’s Laws of Combat 19: Unless you are Germans. Then you are just owning.

    • @bobbyfeet2240
      @bobbyfeet2240 Před 4 lety +23

      *cough* Russia *cough*

    • @richardhall9815
      @richardhall9815 Před 4 lety +8

      Or unless you're bombing Pearl Harbor.

    • @kereminde
      @kereminde Před 4 lety +43

      I prefer the Maxim 47 version: "Don't expect the enemy to cooperate in the creation of your dream engagement."
      And, supplementing that, Maxim 22: "If you can see the whites of their eyes, somebody's done something wrong."

    • @academyofshem
      @academyofshem Před 4 lety +27

      The Japanese also forgot about the Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #53: Never trust anybody taller than you.

  • @thomaswalz3515
    @thomaswalz3515 Před 2 lety +512

    Just watched the whole series.
    This is the best series describing this battle I've seen.
    I love the "what if" scenarios.
    I wonder "what if" the US had A-10's...

    • @mjkl614
      @mjkl614 Před 2 lety +12

      hindsight is always 20/20

    • @Extraneus73
      @Extraneus73 Před 2 lety +7

      Watch 1980's The Final Countdown. Tomcats though, but still...

    • @dmeads5663
      @dmeads5663 Před 2 lety +12

      If the US had A-10’s back then, those ships would’ve never stood a chance lol

    • @philsalsbery9994
      @philsalsbery9994 Před 2 lety +1

      agreed

    • @alxphx
      @alxphx Před 2 lety +5

      @@dmeads5663 Who needs explosives when you have Depleted Uranium rounds?

  • @TheOriginalJphyper
    @TheOriginalJphyper Před 4 lety +108

    Lt. Cmdr. Waldron is a local hero of my hometown. The traffic bridge across the Missouri River is named after him.

  • @larrytischler570
    @larrytischler570 Před 3 lety +641

    What was left out was what the Japanese did after this humiliating defeat. They tried to keep it a total secret. Even isolating survivors to keep the loss from the rest of the military and the civilians at home.

    • @jrodriguez1374
      @jrodriguez1374 Před 3 lety +79

      I mean, it was such a monumental defeat. It surely would've crushed fighting spirit

    • @Raptor747
      @Raptor747 Před 3 lety +119

      Yeah, it's downright horrifying. Most of the survivors would end up being sent off to die in distant islands without even getting a chance to see their families or write to them.

    • @vejet
      @vejet Před 3 lety +12

      Good call, the war might've been over in 6 months had word of this morally devastating loss reached the masses

    • @DonVigaDeFierro
      @DonVigaDeFierro Před 3 lety +27

      Damn, that's awful. I can't imagine what was like for those men to know they weren't going to be honored despite their sacrifice.

    • @amanofnoreputation2164
      @amanofnoreputation2164 Před 3 lety +50

      @@jrodriguez1374 Almost as severe as the loss of the naval code, since Japanese wartime propaganda hinged on westerners being incapable of understanding Japanese.

  • @yippie21
    @yippie21 Před 4 lety +68

    Montemayor, a sincere thank you. When I was 13, a friend and I were dropped off at the local movie theater in 1976 to see the movie Midway. I couldn't have been more excited. We sat on the first row... straining to look up at the show. I came out of the movie with a very biased and troubled view of the battle and the horror and utter futility of the American planes. All these years later... you have done what Hollywood could not... put it all into perspective and mitigate the mismatches... the decisions... the misconceptions and the luck. I really, truly, appreciate your effort in these 3 videos to so thoroughly explain and probe the tactics and intricate nuances that ran throughout this battle and the ramifications that came from it all. Thank you.

    • @jkorshak
      @jkorshak Před 4 lety +3

      ​@Marc Singleton I saw the Surround in the theater. By then I already knew the history and was annoyed by all the newsreel footage showing the wrong aircraft - plus the turgid family drama involving Chuck Heston, his son, and his Japanese American fiancee was crap. But the opening sequence with the Doolittle Raid lifting off in Sensurround was fantastic.

    • @vcv6560
      @vcv6560 Před 4 lety +1

      @Robert Mardis I was 15 that summer, took the bus to Westwood to see it in Sensorround. 40+ years later the story still fascinates.

    • @blueboats7530
      @blueboats7530 Před 4 lety +3

      Here, here . . . very well said Robert. I was 20 in 1976 so I already had a bit more tolerance for organizational dysfunction, but seeing this all so well laid out by Montemayor I'm also seeing the madness had rhythm.

    • @jkorshak
      @jkorshak Před 4 lety

      @Marc Singleton Yeah, I was 12 when I saw Midway with Chuck Heston and knew the battle, knew the aircraft - remember leaving with my brother and we were telling each other Tora Tora Tora was better, all the newsreel footage was wrong, and Midway sucked.

    • @vcv6560
      @vcv6560 Před 4 lety

      @@jkorshak Haha, saw all that too, and still went three times, but only the first with Sensorround

  • @johnmosbrook9964
    @johnmosbrook9964 Před 2 lety +11

    After the battle and after interviewing the survivors, some junior staff officers in Tokyo figured out quickly there had to be a security breach which meant their J-25 code was breached. It was practically obvious. Incredible that two US task forces were in exactly the right position at the right time. These junior officers also suspected a security breach derailed the Port Moresby invasion a month earlier. A US task force had popped up in the Coral Sea to spoil the top secret Japanese invasion of Port Moresby, New Guinea. In the whole Pacific Ocean , the US task force chose to operate in the Coral Sea just at the time of Port Moresby operation.. A delegation of Japanese staff officers went to the Naval Ministry in Tokyo and suggested to high-ranking intelligence officers that J-25 had been broken. Their suggestions were brushed off as 'impossible by intelligence brass.

  • @Inc1neRyu
    @Inc1neRyu Před 4 lety +234

    In barely any of the documentaries I see about Midway, Lt. Richard Best has been included, so I applaud you for including him. As a fun fact, Lt. Best also was 1 of the 4 pilots to get a hit on the attack on the Hiryu, making him the first pilot to succesfully bomb 2 Japanese carriers in one day, which got Admiral Moorer and Vice Admiral Houser to make a serious but unsuccesful effort to recommend him for an Medal of Honor after his death in 2001.
    Edit: typo's

    • @cosmic1035
      @cosmic1035 Před 4 lety +13

      Watch the movie midway, its about Lt. Best

    • @Inc1neRyu
      @Inc1neRyu Před 4 lety +6

      I watched it back in december, good movie

    • @raymondchen4742
      @raymondchen4742 Před 4 lety +9

      Lt Kleiss also hit 2cvs but best did well and sank a carrier alone

    • @johnh2410
      @johnh2410 Před 4 lety +18

      Dusty Kleiss scored hits on two carriers that day - Kaga and Hiryu - while also landing a bomb on a cruiser on the last day of battle so he was 3 for 3. Nevertheless, it was Dick Best whose sole hit on Akagi doomed that carrier. Sadly, Best would never fly again after June 4th. His lungs were harmed by caustic soda in his oxygen system which triggered latent tuberculosis.

    • @protonjones54
      @protonjones54 Před 4 lety +2

      You edited the comment for typos and STILL haven't noticed "carries"???

  • @shingshongshamalama
    @shingshongshamalama Před 3 lety +408

    Yamamoto: "Give me my decisive battle already, you heathen."
    Nimitz: "Oh okay."
    Yamamoto: "Wait no that's not supposed to happen."

    • @nikkolodian9517
      @nikkolodian9517 Před 3 lety +14

      They badly want to use their battleships on a decisive battle

    • @str2010
      @str2010 Před 3 lety +5

      Japanese naval command basically screwed themselves when they put Nagumo in charge

    • @earlcollinsworth4914
      @earlcollinsworth4914 Před 3 lety +7

      Yamamoto: "Holy Bomb holes batman! I think they got us once or twice!

    • @mlc4495
      @mlc4495 Před 3 lety +15

      I know this is a joke but Nimitz refused to give them their Battle of Tsushima because he withdrew early when the main surface force gave chase. This was smart on the part of the Americans. They basically engaged in hit-and-run tactics with the Japanese, only engaging when they were confident of winning. Once the US industrial capacity was dialled up to 11 and they were spitting out carriers, battleships, destroyers and other naval assets every week did they go on the offensive and gladly give the IJN the "Kantai Kessen" they were so keen for. In fact they gave them their Kantai Kessen on several occasions.

    • @Cobra-King3
      @Cobra-King3 Před 3 lety +18

      @@mlc4495 we shall compare the Nation's Industrial Output on a scale of 1-10
      USSR: 9 to 10 average
      UK: 7 to 8 All the time
      Germany: 7 to 8, maybe 9 in some cases
      Japan: 7 at most, averaging 6
      Italy: 3 to 4, 5 if they're lucky
      France: 6 to 7 if they got the chance
      USA: 20, somehow, on a scale of 1-10

  • @aleksandarjovic4275
    @aleksandarjovic4275 Před 4 lety +78

    After such a long cliffhanger, he hits us with 2 videos in a row.

  • @sonnyburnett8725
    @sonnyburnett8725 Před 2 lety +90

    We simply can’t say enough or appreciate the bravery of the first wave of fighter pilots that threw themselves into the Japanese attack on Midway as well as the torpedo bomber pilots that did the same when they attacked the Japanese fleet. Many floated in rafts or worse for God knows how long without rescue ever coming. No truer heroes ever or sacrifice greater at a time when America needed it most.

    • @greg-warsaw4708
      @greg-warsaw4708 Před rokem +11

      I live on another continent, another era, in Poland, a country having its own share of WW2 history - and yet for decades I have been admiring the bravery and heroic sacrifice of VT8 and its flight leader John Waldron. 80 years on and I remember them.

    • @bowtr0
      @bowtr0 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yeah, we see, plainly, when our aviators are flying in obsolete or inferior aircraft. Note that, even when we are on offense, our airmen were lucky to last more than a very few missions. War is hell - for everyone, whether your a Marine wading ashore on Okinawa under unrelenting machine gun fire or manning a gun in the belly of a bomber, or ....

  • @linuxrulez2166
    @linuxrulez2166 Před 4 lety +357

    All the men who died on both sides that day... in their planes or on ships, through explosions,
    fire, shrapnel or drowning
    R.I.P.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 Před 3 lety

      A half dozen of the American aircrew were captured by the Japanese and executed.

    • @alank4558
      @alank4558 Před 3 lety +17

      @@allangibson8494 Yea, makes it hard to be empathetic towards most Imperial Japanese soldiers :/
      I mean, no doubt Americans did messed up things, but even Germans wanted to be their prisoners since they were fed well. Bruh, Japanese executed to save rice.

    • @ChibiViolin
      @ChibiViolin Před 3 lety +2

      Knights of Bushido. Read it.

    • @KeiwaM
      @KeiwaM Před 3 lety +8

      @@alank4558 Them Japanese on the ship didn't. They are equally to blame as every single American is to blame for the geonicide of the Native Americans. Its literally just disrespectful to imply that every Japanese soldier were to blame.

    • @lambeezy5014
      @lambeezy5014 Před 3 lety +1

      @@KeiwaM You’ve obviously never heard the story of Louie Zamperini

  • @thegoodcaptain1217
    @thegoodcaptain1217 Před 4 lety +97

    Montemayor, THANK YOU for this piece. As someone who owns almost every book on Midway from Gordon Prange to Craig Symonds, I am extremely thankful you acknowledge Fletcher's correct decision making and Yorktown's experience. It does history true justice. You should be proud. Salute!

    • @JoshMD2009
      @JoshMD2009 Před 4 lety +11

      Adm. Fletcher is probably one of, if not the most underrated Carrier commander in history (and probably more maligned that he deserved). It's a shame that his career is somewhat tied to the sinking of two US carriers in quick succession under his watch (as well as his "abandoning" of the Guadalcanal landing forces). But then again, those battles were basically the two major battles wherein the US Fleet was the underdog, so it still speaks to his brilliance.

    • @thegoodcaptain1217
      @thegoodcaptain1217 Před 4 lety +10

      Joshua Unsay agreed. But even the “abandoning” bit was apparently mostly spun by Turner as the carriers were never supposed to stay longer. “Black Shoe Carrier Admiral” by Lundstrom clears Fletchers name by and large...
      ...although it’s also depressing reading about other admirals ripping apart his reputation.

    • @JoshMD2009
      @JoshMD2009 Před 4 lety +7

      @@thegoodcaptain1217 I wholeheartedly agree that the "abandoning" spin is undeserved. It also didn't help that Adm. King became sour on him after Corral Sea and Midway (Adm. King loved the Lexington, and for him it was unforgivable for Adm. Fletcher to have had her scuttled).

  • @MrBigCookieCrumble
    @MrBigCookieCrumble Před 4 lety +90

    Japan: My Emperor.. All our carefully laid plans have become undone!
    America: Mr. President, we have FAILED SUCCESSFULLY!

    • @mkvv5687
      @mkvv5687 Před 4 lety +2

      "When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout" :)

  • @SmokeJam
    @SmokeJam Před 3 lety +92

    I think I watched this 3-video series about 5 times now. I'm still amazed by your talent of packing history in a comprehensive manner and tell the story without ever losing the tension which keeps the viewer interested. Thank you for presenting one of the biggest Uno-reverse cards in WW2 this way.

  • @jeffswan1466
    @jeffswan1466 Před 3 lety +265

    Like a wandering pilot stumbling onto an undefended carrier group, I just discovered all three of these videos this evening and watched them in sequence! Talk about luck! What a wonderful documentary by Montemayor!

    • @tomiblom2951
      @tomiblom2951 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ML0694 Same. :)

    • @rmsteutonic3686
      @rmsteutonic3686 Před 2 lety

      Spent my New Year’s Day evening on these videos

    • @davidcroft9320
      @davidcroft9320 Před 2 lety

      Me - watching over & over and doing some more learning - further study and analysis

  • @jkorshak
    @jkorshak Před 4 lety +331

    Having now watched this final part - BRAVO. Just like before and other histories, Top Notch. Best history presentations on CZcams. Thank you. Just, next time - please - drop us a note so we know you're okay! I was seriously worried something bad happened.
    I humbly request you next Go Big and tackle the actions and events leading to the Action off Samar, Leyte Gulf, October 25, 1944. We'll wait.
    Best wishes to you!

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed Před 4 lety +20

      I would LOVE a Montemayor Leyte Gulf series. Probably quite a lot of work and many parts, but it'd be so good.

    • @generalhyde007
      @generalhyde007 Před 4 lety +10

      I think he’s doing Guadalcanal next.

    • @ilikedota5
      @ilikedota5 Před 4 lety +4

      @@fakecubed hahaha American battleships go boom boom on the out-ranged Japanese battleships.

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed Před 4 lety +5

      Hyde If he does the whole Pacific Theater of WW2 I would not mind at all.

    • @Commanderstevo
      @Commanderstevo Před 4 lety +6

      I second this. That battle was quite the flustercuck, The USS Johnston will need its own episode.

  • @k84953
    @k84953 Před 4 lety +128

    Being someone who NEVER subscribes or clicks on the bell for ANYTHING... this is saying a lot about the quality and dedication to your craft.

  • @denniscastello504
    @denniscastello504 Před rokem +27

    This 3-part series on Midway is truly great. You should win an Emmy for work like this.

  • @rustymaximus9179
    @rustymaximus9179 Před 3 lety +153

    You have to give it to those torpedo bomber pilots. They had no fighter cover, their planes were out-dated and slow, they had to fly low and in a straight-line to a moving target all while getting shot at by unopposed Zero fighters. If they made it through the fighter screen, they had to survive withering fire from the screening vessels and the carrier itself. However the real kicker at that early stage of the war is that even if they got to the release point the torpedoes they were carrying had less than 50% chance of exploding even if they did everything right!

    • @davidcroft9320
      @davidcroft9320 Před 2 lety +6

      Yes. High level Heavy and Medium Bombers =0; Torpedo Bombers =0; Dive Bombers from Midway =0; Latrine Hygiene 2nd. clarss Mitscher in Hornet =0; and the rest did it. They all did their best with what they had - RIP

    • @starrionx1
      @starrionx1 Před 2 lety +3

      50% was optimistic. The weapons group had NEVER tested the torpedoes under realistic conditions, so they didn't really know what the performance would be.

    • @jeffweeble6669
      @jeffweeble6669 Před 2 lety +2

      bravest people during WW2 were devastator pilots.

  • @beatsblack
    @beatsblack Před 4 lety +85

    ITS FINALLY HERE! AFTER ALL THIS TIME. Thank you so much Monte!

  • @thecatalyst6212
    @thecatalyst6212 Před 4 lety +379

    Americans in 1944 with 15 aircraft carriers: so we have done some building off camera

    • @vbscript2
      @vbscript2 Před 3 lety +91

      And with 27 in 1945. - lol - To go along with 18 battleships.
      And that's exactly why Montemayor's conclusion is correct. Midway changed the course of the war, but not its ultimate outcome.
      Of course, it really ended up being just 2 bombs - with the promise of more where they came from - that ultimately ended the war.

    • @samsilberstein8758
      @samsilberstein8758 Před 3 lety +25

      @@vbscript2 and add to that total the escort carriers ; you have about 100 yes Hundred aircraft carrying ships in the fleet!

    • @Mattoropael
      @Mattoropael Před 3 lety +53

      @@vbscript2 Even those two bombs were indicative of American industrial power.
      Project Manhattan was successful (compared to other wartime nuclear programs) partially because the Americans had enough leftover resource and capability for a _side project_ , amidst fighting a war in two major theatres and providing vast amount of supplies to allies there.

    • @jackthorton10
      @jackthorton10 Před 3 lety +3

      Uncle Sam is a Might man

    • @joshduthie3401
      @joshduthie3401 Před 3 lety +12

      @@Mattoropael just look at the victory ships. Enormous ships, built in huge numbers in astonishing time. Only America has that capability, and once it was woken, it was only a matter of time.

  • @dmgauntt2002
    @dmgauntt2002 Před 2 lety +30

    Congratulations on a fantastic presentation! One thing that I would add is the question of why the Japanese chose Midway as the location of the "decisive battle". One explanation that I have read was that it was inspired by the Doolittle raid on Tokyo. The Japanese High Command had emphasized to the Japanese people that the home islands would never be bombed, yet a few months into the war bombs were landing on Tokyo. It was of ultimate importance that a second raid be prevented. They knew that the planes were US Army planes (B-25's), so they must have been launched from land. While Midway was out of range of the B-25's, it was the closest possible base so Midway was the target. The Japanese did not realize that the planes had been modified to be able to launch from a carrier, and had actually flown from the Hornet. The Doolittle raid has sometimes been denigrated as a publicity stunt of no strategic value, but it did draw the Japanese navy into Midway.

    • @coreyrussellgaming6330
      @coreyrussellgaming6330 Před rokem +6

      @David Gauntt I think you may have it backwards. The Doolittle raid was of little tactical value, as it did negligble damage. But it did have strategic value. It was a huge morale boost to Americans. In addition, it shattered the Japanese leaders claim of invincibility, and forced large amount of resources to be devoted to the defense of their large empire. And finally,, it gave them great motivation to destroy the American carriers as they were a grave threat to Japanese. In short, the raid pushed the Japanese into a risky fight near Midway, exposing their fleet to Midway aircraft and ultimately falling for the American trap.

    • @nathanielberkley9444
      @nathanielberkley9444 Před 5 měsíci +1

      The reasoning for selecting Midway as a target is that the capture of Midway allows the Kido Butai to be positioned closer to Hawaii and the Aleutian Islands, as it can leverage the land-based airpower for support and recon. That would enable Japan to make much more effective strikes on the headquarters of the US Pacific Fleet and the American forces trying to repel the Japanese push on the Aleutians. It was the kind of operational objective the USN couldn't let the Japanese hold onto. Even if the USN didn't react fast enough to stop the invasion force from reaching Midway, the Japanese knew the Americans would feel forced to try to neutralize the Kido Butai in order to nullify the positional advantage Midway gives them.
      The American Carriers were always the real target.

  • @Sinvare
    @Sinvare Před 3 lety +268

    Dry dock inspection of USS Yorktown after Battle of the Coral Sea, "She needs 2 weeks of repair."
    Pearl Harbor yard workers, "F that. Give us 48 hours."
    Great videos as always.

    • @adamtruong1759
      @adamtruong1759 Před 3 lety +57

      I'm pretty sure it went more like:
      "We estimate 3 months to get USS Yorktown fully repaired."
      "You have 72 hours."

    • @hunterjordan5683
      @hunterjordan5683 Před 3 lety +17

      @@adamtruong1759 Pissed off workers and im assuming qaudruple overtime are a hell of a drug.

    • @Cobra-King3
      @Cobra-King3 Před 3 lety +10

      @@hunterjordan5683 probably got compensated with a long rest and double pay for 72 hours, then 1,400 dry dock workers repairing the ship

    • @Football-Steve
      @Football-Steve Před 3 lety +19

      A lot of the engineers were still on the ship. It’s the biggest reason they got it operational again after the first attack.

    • @jaypee9575
      @jaypee9575 Před 3 lety +14

      They must have borrowed Scotty from the Enterprise.

  • @TirarADeguello
    @TirarADeguello Před 4 lety +209

    You really did a great job on all your videos. The Midway series is by far the most complete and accurate breakdown of the battle I have ever seen.

    • @Chapelron
      @Chapelron Před 3 lety +1

      What? I never expected you to be here, anyways, love your videos.

    • @TirarADeguello
      @TirarADeguello Před 3 lety

      @@Chapelron Hey, good to see you, yes, huge fan of this young man's work. He is absolutely amazing in his attention to detail and fact checking.

    • @dragooll2023
      @dragooll2023 Před 3 lety +1

      @@TirarADeguello i was just watching a video of yours!

  • @Mustang_Dan
    @Mustang_Dan Před 4 lety +97

    No one ever remembers Dusty Kleiss who was 1 of only 2 men who delivered hits to two different carriers that day. He also hit one of the cruisers as well.

    • @Don113
      @Don113 Před 3 lety +7

      Also that Jimmy Thach implemented the very first combat iteration of the famous Thach Weave, which allowed the inferior Wildcats to successfully engage the far superior Zeros.

    • @Mustang_Dan
      @Mustang_Dan Před 3 lety +4

      @@Don113 Everyone remembers Jimmy Thatch and his “Thatch-weave” maneuver.

    • @Talrich77
      @Talrich77 Před 3 lety +13

      @@Don113 Jimmy Thach and the Thach Weave was referenced in the first video (1/3) in this series.

    • @Don113
      @Don113 Před 3 lety +3

      @@Talrich77 Jeez, it's been a while since I watched it then. That, or my memory is turning to dogshit.

    • @neogenesis7706
      @neogenesis7706 Před 3 lety

      Yeah we watched the movie too.

  • @CrashCarlisle
    @CrashCarlisle Před 2 lety +16

    Dude - I'm an amateur military history fanatic and this is THE battle I know best. Your videos are absolutely stunning. You presented the material is a fantastic way that clearly shows what happened and what was important about this battle. Well done.

  • @nonexistantman5797
    @nonexistantman5797 Před 3 lety +307

    Imagine ur just chilling in a carrier and than all of a sudden you see over 70 planes fill up the sky on both sides

    • @leovang3425
      @leovang3425 Před 3 lety +44

      imagine you're in the worlds largest battleship and nearly 300 planes swarm you like crows above a dead cow.

    • @nikkolodian9517
      @nikkolodian9517 Před 3 lety +8

      @@leovang3425 a beautiful and scary sight

    • @jorgezerovsterran527
      @jorgezerovsterran527 Před 3 lety

      Terrifying

    • @kekoaiverson8040
      @kekoaiverson8040 Před 2 lety

      I’m sure they weren’t thinking they were struggling to survive everyone had a job to do even more when they are bombing your ship I’m sure when you’re about to die you go in to auto pilot to try to survive I’m sure a lot just jumped ship

  • @captainmerthin2019
    @captainmerthin2019 Před 4 lety +32

    "If we don't know what we are doing, then the enemy certainly cant anticipate our future actions"
    this battle summed up perfectly

    • @dennisweidner288
      @dennisweidner288 Před 3 lety

      @ Captain Merthin Why do you say 'don't know we are doing? Nimitz knew precisely what he was doing, catching the Japanese carriers while they were busy hammering Midway.

  • @kentslocum
    @kentslocum Před rokem +15

    The thing that blows me away is how hard it was to sink the Yorktown. While I understand the ship had vastly different construction to the Japanese carriers, it just goes to show how devastating it was to be attacked while the hangars were full of fueled and armed planes.

  • @briansonnenfelt7125
    @briansonnenfelt7125 Před 4 lety +80

    Basically the USN found $20.00 in their pockets that they put there 4 years ago and forgot about, only to find it when you needed $19.95 for some snacks.

  • @marinablueGS
    @marinablueGS Před 3 lety +328

    Even though this channel only has 12 videos available, it has over 278 thousand subs and millions of views. The quality of the videos and the information presented are far superior to ANYTHING I've seen elsewhere. Thank you Montemayor for this superb source of information. I don't know what your next project will be, but whatever it is, I eagerly await it.

  • @Heldermaior
    @Heldermaior Před 4 lety +45

    Fun fact, Japan barely holding itself against about 20% of the American war effort. Once the War in Europe was going pear shaped for the Germans and the full might of the US industrial production was deployed against the Japanese, there was no way Japan could've avoided the outcome of the war. Their industrial base was too small to conduct the type of warfare necessary in a prolonged conflict. Once the Essex AND the Casablanca class carriers were being mass produced, the Americans had the potential to take on the Japanese Navy and Army air force in one go. Even if the Japanese had their carrier fleet intact, that would make no difference as the US could deploy more aircraft at any one location in the Pacific than the Japanese and this includes ground based air wings. Even if the Japanese took all the main island airports allowing them to mutually support each other in defense, the Sheer number of carriers the US put to sea would eventually negate this advantage!
    In 1943 Alone, the US put to sea 34 carriers of all types. That is an air wing complement of 1,380 aircraft! The available concentration of power was just orders of magnitude different.

    • @jshepard152
      @jshepard152 Před 4 lety +7

      Yes. Attacking Pearl Harbor was an act of insanity.

    • @jvtagle
      @jvtagle Před 4 lety +5

      J Shepard “The best bad decision”
      -Potential History

    • @KapteeniKetza
      @KapteeniKetza Před 4 lety

      throw enough shit on the wall and some of it will stick.-tactic

    • @VashtheStampede007
      @VashtheStampede007 Před 4 lety +5

      @Heldermaior ,
      Fun fact, China was holding off more than 70% of Japanese military since the 1930s.
      21 major engagements with each over a million troops involved right in China mainland.
      Also Germany had 80% of their forces destroyed in Russia.
      It is inaccurate just to look at what the US had been facing without looking at what the Japanese and Germans were facing. Simply put, the Axis was outnumbered, not the other way around.

    • @mkvv5687
      @mkvv5687 Před 4 lety +3

      @@VashtheStampede007 Could be. China itself was the catalyst for US problems with Japan. We helped as we could, considering the US was still isolationist.

  • @johnbarbuto5387
    @johnbarbuto5387 Před 2 lety +14

    While it is totally tragic that we, humans, spend so very much effort, time, and resources destroying things, this story is very, very well told in its three segments. And, once again, I totally appreciate the technique of "you only know what they knew at the time" (more or less, we do have history books, etc). Life is hugely different if you are the one actually in the game, rather than the critic sitting in the "peanut gallery" the day after the game.

  • @officerk72
    @officerk72 Před 4 lety +159

    Key Factor: Element of Surprise

    • @thomas.02
      @thomas.02 Před 4 lety +5

      to use a probably overused meme,
      IJN: we have the element of surprise
      USN: no u

    • @Thirdbase9
      @Thirdbase9 Před 4 lety +3

      And fear. Surprise and fear!

    • @ZoneSkye
      @ZoneSkye Před 4 lety +4

      @@thomas.02 USN intelligence was their Reverse card

    • @nillynush4899
      @nillynush4899 Před 4 lety

      Arguably the best thing to have, devastating to morale.

    • @reubensandwich9249
      @reubensandwich9249 Před 4 lety

      Which one?
      Montemayor finishing the series or the actual battle?

  • @gjones9356
    @gjones9356 Před 4 lety +76

    What I’ve learned:
    A little bit of radar, some dumb luck, the gut of a guy named McClusky, and the observance of a dude named Best that won the US this day...
    🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️ ‘MURICA

    • @ArthurMG00
      @ArthurMG00 Před 4 lety +6

      If it works, it works :D

    • @bentos117
      @bentos117 Před 4 lety +12

      yeah, and also self-sacrifice, and work, and thinking of those on ships and aircrafts... and those, who made ships and bombs at home, analyzing what is needed (such as fire control on ships) and what is not... and overrall culture of "doing the things" (the pilot who ignored his superior's wrongly taken course, for example)... and, of course, luck... well earned victory

    • @SuperAsperatus
      @SuperAsperatus Před 4 lety +6

      luck definitely played a role. but what I didn't know and what is shown that the US disorganization actually made those small attacks and prevente counter attacks. simply the best unintended consequence ever. :)

    • @ArthurMG00
      @ArthurMG00 Před 4 lety +1

      @@SuperAsperatus I wouldnt call it the best, maybe if the american units that attacked escortlessly were to be used in a more organized way, the japanese ships would have sunked earlier, and there would be planes left to attack the last aircraft carrier, and the yorktown wouldve survived midway

    • @SilverforceX
      @SilverforceX Před 4 lety

      Nah. They won the moment the cracked japanese coms code. In these naval warfare engagements, getting in the first strike when the enemy is not expecting it, is a sure win and the US knew where the IJN fleet was at all times.

  • @thecatalyst6212
    @thecatalyst6212 Před 4 lety +111

    imagine what he could do with the hunt for the Bismarck, the Battle of the Leyte Gulf, or Battle of the Philippine Sea

    • @dyingember8661
      @dyingember8661 Před 3 lety +9

      I just wish we lived long enough to be able to see those stuffs came out.

    • @dawnfallon6812
      @dawnfallon6812 Před 3 lety +10

      The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot. I can almost hear the narration for it.

    • @ill_bred_demon9059
      @ill_bred_demon9059 Před 3 lety +5

      I'd love a Battle of Leyte Gulf. The extent to which the US was out matched in so many ways but through a few critical advantages (radar fire control), bravado (escort carriers sending up so many planes, obsolete as they were, the Japanese thought they were fleet carriers), and dumb luck (clean penetration by Japanese shells until the Japanese realized the ships were unarmored and switched to HE) the US managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

    • @taufiqutomo
      @taufiqutomo Před 3 lety +2

      Bismarck Hunt from the British perspective? Hmmmm.

    • @ericaarcadia7178
      @ericaarcadia7178 Před 3 lety

      @@ill_bred_demon9059 I'm excited for the entire Battle of Leyte Gulf as well, especially how he would narrate Taffy-3

  • @MALITH666
    @MALITH666 Před rokem +3

    The lesson of this series.
    Clear, accurate, early Intelligence is worth a mountain of gold.

  • @paulthenotsogreat8118
    @paulthenotsogreat8118 Před 4 lety +81

    As someone not that educated in the battle of Midway, the 3rd part in my opinion is the MOST brilliant part! The american perspective came as a surprise! Throughout the first 2 parts, I could see nothing but the Japanese being outsmarted and everything going wrong for them by the clever planning of the Americans. This part made me realize the it was all "Happy little mistakes" that somehow went right.

    • @gma5607
      @gma5607 Před 4 lety +1

      Ehh...
      I’m not really sure that’s the correct take-away from the clear American superiority in intelligence, technology and damage control that allowed them to make these mistakes and not be so harshly punished.

    • @TSHEKHAN
      @TSHEKHAN Před 4 lety +1

      Happy little mistakes? Yeah right.... this battle proved how green the US was atm.

    • @f430ferrari5
      @f430ferrari5 Před 4 lety +2

      @Paul The not so Great. What is not highlighted enough is how dumb the IJN was in their battle plan strategy.
      The IJN should have made use of their battleships cruisers and destroyers. The carriers should have been behind.

    • @richardhall9815
      @richardhall9815 Před 4 lety +3

      "*Happy* little mistakes"
      VT-8: "Excuse me?"

    • @dennisweidner288
      @dennisweidner288 Před 3 lety +1

      @ Paul The not so Great Luck was a factor, but in many ways you make your luck. Cracking JN-25 gave the Americans a huge advantage. By fighting the battle off Midway, the Americans has essentially four not three carriers. And the Midway PBYs gave the American unprecedented search capability. The Japanese at this stage of the War had superior carrier operations. But an axiom of carrier warfare is who gets in the first strike is likely to win no matter how good the other guy is. That was not luck.

  • @bernardli9514
    @bernardli9514 Před 4 lety +51

    Last time
    Montemayor uploaded the emperor was still alive.

  • @user-vx7tg6xf7k
    @user-vx7tg6xf7k Před 4 lety +15

    This takes the saying "If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly cant anticipate out actions"
    to a whole new level.

  • @erfquake1
    @erfquake1 Před 3 lety +30

    Hey, this is a terrific documentary! Purely "armchair historian" guessing on my part here, but (15:00) McCluskey's other, maybe overriding motivation for striking the nearer carrier may have been the fact that his planes were running on fumes, and that he wanted to contribute something, anything, as quickly as possible and get back to his carrier without having to ditch. I certainly would have tossed doctrine overboard & done the same thing. Which (you're right) would've been a mistake. That's why I always hang around with someone named "Best."

  • @TangomanX2008
    @TangomanX2008 Před 3 lety +221

    One thing about the strength of the US vs Japan at Midway. I understand that 4 Japanese Carriers vs 3 American carriers is important. However Midway Island itself contributed to the American strength and was at as least powerful if not more than a carrier. So in a sense it was 4 vs 4.

    • @SpicyTake
      @SpicyTake Před 2 lety +16

      Yes the attacks from Midway gummed up the Japanese plans and bought the US carriers precious time.

    • @briankottman8274
      @briankottman8274 Před 2 lety +33

      True, even when the Midway-based forces were a known vector and location, but sad that the planes were so obsolete as to be ineffective despite the bravery.

    • @jeremywerner9489
      @jeremywerner9489 Před 2 lety +14

      @@briankottman8274 The Brewster Buffalo wasn't even that old of a plane, being introduced in 1939, it was just borderline passable from the beginning, and apparently only doing well against crappier planes/pilots. The Continuation War is basically the only place the Buffalo did well, because Soviet planes weren't great either.

    • @roboparks
      @roboparks Před 2 lety +5

      The Yorktown at that time was one of the most advance carriers of its day. The Japanese carriers were mostly converted Battleships.

    • @gregorybeckstrom8551
      @gregorybeckstrom8551 Před 2 lety +27

      The priceless saying is that "you cannot sink an Island." This definitely made up for the imbalance in carriers.

  • @cartmann94
    @cartmann94 Před 4 lety +34

    Fun fact: the rendezvous point of Task Forces 16 and 17 had been codenamed “Point Luck” by the US Navy.
    They certainly had it.

  • @rivaantyc6826
    @rivaantyc6826 Před 3 lety +266

    "The Kido Butai had only 7 planes conducting their searches. In contrast, the Americans had more than 30 planes conducting their searches."
    Amount of planes: 31

    • @cookiecraze1310
      @cookiecraze1310 Před 3 lety +59

      "He's written over 64 books"
      "So 65?"

    • @thespileys2301
      @thespileys2301 Před 3 lety +32

      When you have a large amount of experience giving oral reports, some lines roll off the tongue better than others. "More than thirty" could'dve sounded better musically than "thirty-one". If the choice doesn't go against factual basis, there's no problem as keeping an audience musically interested is an objective in itself, and well worth the slight.

    • @frankpienkosky5688
      @frankpienkosky5688 Před 3 lety +6

      @Isaac Goldberg... and the PBY's were superior aircraft with a massive range that also played a pivotal role in this fight....something that was stressed more in the first movie while being ignored in the second....

    • @brucetucker4847
      @brucetucker4847 Před 3 lety +11

      @@frankpienkosky5688 The PBY also had 8 extra pairs of eyes to look for enemy ships. If the Chikuma's scout had had a 10-man crew it would have been a lot more likely to spot the American carriers.

    • @jameshannagan7830
      @jameshannagan7830 Před 3 lety +5

      @@brucetucker4847 Great point I did not consider that although I have always felt that our scout planes did not get all the credit they deserved.

  • @scottmunson2917
    @scottmunson2917 Před 2 lety +14

    Just wanted to thank you for this excellent presentation. I learned a great deal and was struck by how simple and effective the visuals were too. I spent a lifetime in the training business and being able to convey abstract information with a minimum of resources is one of the toughest things to do. And you pulled it off beautifully!

  • @boingobadger9846
    @boingobadger9846 Před 4 lety +485

    So basically what happened was:
    Japanese: The Americans had planned for this!
    Americans: ¿?¿?

    • @v44n7
      @v44n7 Před 4 lety +72

      to be fair, the american had a tactical improvisation during the battle. but they choose the strategic situation months before. They choose how and when to fight the japanese. In war tactics should be like that, tactical improvisation in the moment but strategic planning

    • @MadSpectro7
      @MadSpectro7 Před 4 lety +40

      Americans: We sorta planned for this. I'll be honest, we're kinda lucky, but we have a knack for getting lucky.

    • @SleepNeed
      @SleepNeed Před 4 lety +65

      There’s an apocryphal (so likely false) quote from a German general that said during his postwar debriefing that “The reason the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices it on a daily basis.” Same for a supposed Soviet observation is claimed to have said that “A serious problem in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine.”

    • @HaiLHaiLHaiLo
      @HaiLHaiLHaiLo Před 3 lety +9

      @@SleepNeed a country full of mavericks

    • @jackthorton10
      @jackthorton10 Před 3 lety +3

      Wolverines!

  • @Rhea4-4
    @Rhea4-4 Před 4 lety +39

    Montemayor: -makes a new video-
    The Return of the King

    • @MontemayorChannel
      @MontemayorChannel  Před 4 lety +12

      haha that's funny! thanks Nate Morton.

    • @ChrisDynamo
      @ChrisDynamo Před 4 lety +4

      @@MontemayorChannel Genuinely thought you were dead or something. With your views (12.4m in your last 2 videos), how come you don't get a team together and pump them out every week/month? Like a Kings and Generals type of deal. Seems like you should be capitalising on the absurd amount of traction you get (relative to your subscriber count/number of videos). Not having a patreon too is crazy; the amount of money you're missing out on is, well, probably a lot.

    • @remembertotakeshowerspleas355
      @remembertotakeshowerspleas355 Před 4 lety +3

      @@ChrisDynamo Quality over quantity. Plus he might have a job that takes up enough of his time and pays well enough for him to neglect his youtube channel. I don't think it's a coincidence that he released these videos now, during a time where a lot of people are having issues regarding work or employment.

    • @remembertotakeshowerspleas355
      @remembertotakeshowerspleas355 Před 4 lety +2

      @@MontemayorChannel I'd love it if you could do more videos on the Mexican-American war.

    • @Kastor774
      @Kastor774 Před 4 lety

      I'd pay to get ten-go animated

  • @vincentstella5131
    @vincentstella5131 Před 3 lety +71

    To second ManilaJohn01's praise, as a 60 year old student of military history since I was a child, I am extremely impressed with this video, the research that went into it and the analysis presented. Keep up the great work.

  • @davidgrason161
    @davidgrason161 Před 2 lety +34

    I've watched all three of your Midway videos and I think that you've done a fantastic job describing events both from the Japanese POV and the American POV. WOW, you have really put everything into layman's English. Thank you so much for your efforts.

  • @zipity2782
    @zipity2782 Před 4 lety +44

    I love how the carriers lines of travel are all sgwiggly and go in loopty loops

    • @zeedub8560
      @zeedub8560 Před 3 lety +23

      "We are mighty carriers, see us steam majestically OH SHIT DODGE DODGE!... everybody ok? Good, let's get back to steaming OH SHIT HERE THEY COME AGAIN!"

    • @AY-vi2ld
      @AY-vi2ld Před 3 lety

      I was half expecting them to draw something rude 😂

    • @user-njyzcip
      @user-njyzcip Před 3 lety +1

      @@AY-vi2ld top gear flashbacks

  • @savokgrim4131
    @savokgrim4131 Před 4 lety +24

    Out of the few videos I have seen, from channels trying to do the same thing you have done in this series, yours is undoubtedly the best. You did not pretend like the plans and/or execution of said plans for either country were infallible. You can give props when it was needed to be given, and criticize questionable decisions in the same breath.
    Your use of the fog of war and the POV from either side made this really stand apart. Putting us on the admiral's seat during Nagumo's dilemma was a great way to help the viewer understand the decisions that were made and the difficulty in making them. Too often people rely on hindsight, belittling the real world experience these people lived.
    This was top notch work Commander Montemayor!

  • @TheHarvHR
    @TheHarvHR Před 4 lety +35

    Something about VT-8 just gets me. It's so ironic that LCDR Waldron was right, but in proving that he was right his entire squadron was wiped out. If he had just followed orders he wouldn't have gone down in history, but he may have lived past Midway.

    • @fighter5583
      @fighter5583 Před 3 lety +14

      But if it weren't for him, Nagumo may have been able to launch a counterattack earlier and the zero fighters wouldn't have gotten so tunnel visioned that they'd forget to look up.

  • @MS-tm2yz
    @MS-tm2yz Před 2 lety +14

    I thought I knew all about Midway, but this has enhanced things considerably. Great clear narrative and graphics, brilliant!

  • @mikespangler98
    @mikespangler98 Před 4 lety +189

    I'd like to see this sort of analysis of the several naval battles around Guadalcanal. That was a very evenly matched slugging contest. Wasp and Hornet sunk, Kirishima and Hiei sunk. Cruisers and destroyers littering Iron Bottom sound.

    • @herondelatorre4023
      @herondelatorre4023 Před 4 lety +5

      @Marc Singleton What he should do is a video on the battle of Santa Cruz where the USS Hornet was sunk in October 1942 and to tell what happened to the USS Wasp when it was sunk a month before in September 1942.

    • @joeelliott2157
      @joeelliott2157 Před 4 lety +7

      I second this notion. The Guadalcanal campaign is made to order for this sort of excellent analysis.

    • @herondelatorre4023
      @herondelatorre4023 Před 4 lety

      @@joeelliott2157 I second your second. A good idea.

    • @markjensen7091
      @markjensen7091 Před 4 lety +7

      The sad truth is Wasp should have never been built to begin with. Her loss was the failure of the USN. The fact they took the Yorktown class trimmed it down a little bit and then removed the torpedo protection system was the stupidest decision a naval planner ever made. Why was this done, to simply appease the naval treaty that the other powers simply lied about gross tonnage. But yes a full Guadalcanal step by step analysis is a video I would want to see.

    • @herondelatorre4023
      @herondelatorre4023 Před 4 lety

      @@markjensen7091 I fully agree with your comment.

  • @joshuaevans4301
    @joshuaevans4301 Před 4 lety +245

    Here is a fun anecdote:
    The American's weren't _sure_ that target A.F. (Japan's codename for Midway) actually referred to Midway, so they had the base on there report over unencrypted radio that their salt water evaporators broke down, which prompted the Japanese to report that "Target A.F. has water supply issues" 😏

    •  Před 4 lety +30

      FFS Did you just take information from the first video, then comment it on the third video, passing it off as yours? * Emojis are modern day dunce cap as well.

    • @joshuaevans4301
      @joshuaevans4301 Před 4 lety +23

      Was that in the first video? I didn't even realize :O

    • @robjones8733
      @robjones8733 Před 4 lety +4

      Thanks Josh! I didn't catch it in the first vid. I do plan on re-watching these though!

    • @robjones8733
      @robjones8733 Před 4 lety +13

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    • @arogue469
      @arogue469 Před 4 lety +8

      @ the specifics of how they figured it out weren't given in the video.

  • @phobics9498
    @phobics9498 Před 3 lety +39

    So this is where the "We don't know what we're doing so how could the enemy?" meme comes from...

  • @judstokes1723
    @judstokes1723 Před rokem +9

    No other documentary (and I've read and watched quite a few) helped me to visualize and understand the battle of Midway as well as Montemayor has done. I hope you continue to produce many more war documentaries.

  • @deivanarley7411
    @deivanarley7411 Před 4 lety +62

    Last time I was this early the USS Yorktown was still operational.

    • @punbug4721
      @punbug4721 Před 4 lety +9

      >when the Yorktown was still operational
      Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

    • @deivanarley7411
      @deivanarley7411 Před 4 lety

      @@punbug4721 good point my english sucks.

    • @DASCO2136
      @DASCO2136 Před 4 lety +2

      Funny, last time I was this early the Japanese were still building the Yamato

    • @punbug4721
      @punbug4721 Před 4 lety +4

      @@deivanarley7411 Oh don't worry. Your English is fine. I was just quoting a meme in the second part.

    • @IJN_Guy
      @IJN_Guy Před 3 lety

      @@deivanarley7411 He means there is more than one Yorktown.

  • @warbsii1769
    @warbsii1769 Před 3 lety +31

    11:04 picture this: McClusky: "eh, i think we lost em lets turn around."
    a pilot: "look sir a boat."
    McClusky: "Lets go sink some stuff shall we?"

  • @SteveEhrmann
    @SteveEhrmann Před 4 lety +43

    The wait was worth it! Your vivid, memorable analysis of Midway has been one of the most informative and fascinating set of CZcams videos is one of the best I've ever had the pleasure of watching, and I mean videos on any subject, not just WW II. And that's despite the fact that I'd read and seen a number of other histories of the battle. The research was amazing. I'm so grateful you invested the time and talent to create this extraordinary series. I look forward to watching more of your videos (e.g., Coral Sea, Pearl Harbor). Thank you, thank you, thank you!

  • @npip99
    @npip99 Před 2 lety +7

    13:12 Another interesting note, was that Torpedo planes drop their torpedos into the water at about 100ft, but the dive bombers begin their dive at 20,000ft. So not only was the CAP in the wrong location on the 2-dimensional plane of battle, but from the 3-dimensional perspective, they were also 20,000ft too low to effectively shoot the dive bombers from behind their tail as they dove.
    -> Indeed if the insane luck of the timings were any different, the attack wouldn't have been decisive. But beyond that, if by luck that penultimate wave had been dive bombers instead, the Zero's would've already been at 20,000ft, making a counter-attack on the additional waves of dive bombers much more viable once they were spotted. (In particular, if TF-16's dive bombers had directly flown to the Kido Butai, which was in-fact the original intent of the US Airforce, then the Zero's would've made work of the first squadron, and been in perfect position at 20,000ft to make work of the second squadron as well.)

    • @Piemur1
      @Piemur1 Před 2 lety

      Additionally, when they WERE in position at altitude for the next day's battle with Hiryu's final stand, they were simply too depleted having lost 3 other carriers' worth of fighters to be able to hold back the remaining dive bombers going up against her. Sure they likely had fighters landing on her from the other carriers, but simply not enough to hold them all back which allowed a cluster of them to make their bombing runs against Hiryu.

  • @Bang_Jaws
    @Bang_Jaws Před 4 lety +72

    Please do another naval battle analysis, i beg you. This series is awesome because your explanation is so easy to understand and immersive. Thank you so much for making this. I'm looking forward for your next content.

  • @MichaelDurig1
    @MichaelDurig1 Před 3 lety +16

    Well done. My Dad was Stationed on American Samoa from 43-46 and I have been an ardent student throughout my life, I'm 63 as well. Thank you for this very detailed presentation.

  • @Harshhaze
    @Harshhaze Před 4 lety +38

    Watching from the Japanese side, I would be convinced that Americans either had psychic powers or some god was pissed at the Imperial Navy. It warms my heart that Americans blundered into a spectacular victory

    • @phile2709
      @phile2709 Před 4 lety +10

      A variant of Clarke's third law comes to mind: Sufficiently accurate intel is indistinguishable from psychic powers.

  • @Wackoart-117t
    @Wackoart-117t Před 8 měsíci +2

    This mini series is probably the best visual break down of the battle ever. Well done

  • @adamhafiddin9564
    @adamhafiddin9564 Před 4 lety +10

    The legend has returned. And he finished this long anticipated sequel in style