What is Poverty is Like in Norway? | American Reacts
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As an American I have heard that Norway is a very wealthy and happy country. Today I am very interested in learning about what poverty looks like in Norway and if it is different to poverty here in the United States. If you enjoyed the video feel free to leave a comment, like, or subscribe for more!
Poverty in Norway is stigmatizing. It is socially excluding and leads to kids not being able to participate in activities etc. It is worst for single parents and older people It think. Starvation is not a thing, although some parents eat too little to make sure their kids have enough food and clothes. Being poor among rich people is not easy mentally. I think around 4% is poor in Norway, but that is by EU standards, not like in Indonesia or Africa for example. It is not comparable. We do have people sleeping outside though. maybe 1 of 50 stand in food queues, but there is help to avoid starving that way. In general, we have problems, yeah. Just would not compare it to the really poor nations that dont even have clean drinking water and food for everyone.
The social exclusion is a huge problem. If kids don't have after-school activities to do, they either stay holed up at home (and maybe get social interactions through online gaming), OR they go out on the streets and risk meeting unsavory people. Its good that Aktivitetsskolen is accessible to poor families, but that only helps so much when its only for younger kids. It leaves the preteens open for social exclusion if they cant afford to participate in activities. Sure, they can play outside, but that is where the teens in gangs are too. And the gangs give them a social group that entices them with getting money-etc, and the kids who see the strain of poverty on their family might take that.
It really is mentally exhausting to be poor amongst rich people in a rich country. Norway doesn't have it the worst, but it is its own type of issue.
Hmmm, well most "poor" people in Norway also have bad, expensive habits, such as sigarettesmoking, and cigarettes are expensive in Norway, so an average smoker in Norway would spend around 300-400 USD each month on this damaging habit... so there alone one could save quite a lot of money... Very few Norwegians would be left without a place to live, all the primary needs taken care of from the government ( and the taxpayers money )
First of all, the person who claimed they were denied rent assistance is either lying or this post is very old.
Firstly, if they only get paid NOK 14,000-16,000 after tax, they do not pay 28% tax. I personally have an income of around NOK 35,000 per month and paid 22.3% tax last year. The lower the salary, the less % you pay in tax in Norway, which means that this person would pay much less tax in % than I do.
This is the main reason why I think they are lying!
Secondly, in Norway you qualify for rent support from the Housing Bank, (Husbanken) if the rent and electricity bill leaves you with less than a certain amount to live for per month, which for the Housing Bank is currently NOK 10,412 per month for a single person, regardless of whether you work, is unemployed or in education.
The minimum subsistence allowance for a single person according to the social service, on the other hand, is currently NOK 7,850 per month.
Thirdly, the limit of NOK 5,000 a month in rent is nonsense. You can hardly find a room in a shared flat for students even at that price in Norway.
For a single person in Norway, the rent limit is approximately NOK 10,000 + electricity to have it covered by the social services if you have no other income than from them. That is what the social services themselves told me three years ago.
Also, this person is talking about public housing, not private rental. Public housing is largely reserved for disadvantaged families with children or people with drug or alcohol problems.
There is also usually a queue of 3-4 years to be allocated public housing in Norway. There's plenty of private rentals they could afford if they really wanted instead of thinking everyone else should fix things for them.
Also, NAV, (social services) do NOT book you into a "hotel" if you are homeless, but they will put you in a low end motel where you can stay for a short period of time until either you or they find you a permanent place to live.
This person seems like one of those people who complains about everything no matter what and in addition spreads it thickly in his "stories from reality".
I pay more tax than you. Combined with all "taxes" on food, gas, homes, etc etc, we pay about 80% to the gvment. Exept the elites who pay zero taxes cuz they have been given free debts
@@beam3819 1. If you pay more tax than me, then you also earn more than me. Which again means that you are left with more than me after tax. So what's your point?
2. First, this claim of "80% taxes and fees" is a myth and has been debunked many times. You would understand this if you knew a little basic math.
In addition, in Norway, the state returns approx. 80% of taxes and fees back to the citizens and society through free health care, education, subsidies to farmers, subsidies for childcare, after-school services, infrastructure, subsidized public transport, paid maternal/paternal leave, paid sick leave, etc. .
This is in strong contrast to e.g. The United States where citizens only get back around 19% of taxes and fees paid and none of the above examples are financed by the state.
In Norway, most people pay their taxes with pleasure because of this, in the USA they do not. You do the math!
3. Norwegian rich people pay more tax than the equivalent in the USA. We don't have the same loopholes in the laws that they do, which should be obvious to even you when you see rich people moving to Switzerland to avoid taxes in Norway!
It's not even a competition.
Also, free debts??? Now that's an oxymoron if I ever heard one!
4. Checking out the playlists on your channel, I'ts obvious that you don't live in the same reality as us others anyway, so your baseless claims are not surprising.
Thank you for sharing this information.
Yes I agree on that, people say so much shit, you can't believe anything of it. This person made a choice and try to rationalize it, so it makes sense. That's my oppinion. Maybe they are drug addicts or something.
22% tax does not sound right hehe, i have several friends paying 34% on 36 000. I get your point tho, i pay 9% on 12 000/month, he is probably overpaying if hes at 28%
When it comes to poverty and homelessness, one significant factor is climate. Winters in Norway are no joke, so the government would instead find a place for people to stay rather than have them freeze to death on the street.
yes, thats a significant point underlying the hole discusion.. you wont survive on the street for long here, so not help with housing is like a deathpenalty..
But this winter they had problems in many big viruset to find a place for everyone. Many was sleeping outside. It was a big News report on this.
Poor in Norway. I have been poor in Norway. I recived help for cost of housing and social welfare for other living costs.
However, it was not easy. I fed my kids and when they had gone to bed, I would eat left overs.
Luckly I had (have) family that helped me out.
So, there ate those who are poor, but get by with help from the state and their own network and organization that help people.
Then there is the poor who have struggles with addiction and these are the homeless. They have the right to have housing, but it is not always enough housing to go around.
There are more poor people in Norway now. The rise of cost that is around the world has also effected Norway. The poor is more poor. The people who was lower middle class a coupme of years ago is now poor or close to.
I find that in Norway, poverty isn't geographically limited, like you see in many other places. We don't really have "low income areas" here, which I think is good, because that means it's easier for high and low income people to be in the same social circle, and not be ignorant of each other.
yes we do? there are low income blocks in eastern oslo for example.
@@Forktoucherz Everything is relative, but we don't really have any slums here. Also, the only people I know who live in Eastern Oslo are higher income than me, and I live in Bærum
@@Henoik i never said we have slums. I said we have areas with low income. Also there are probably people living in the slums of mexico who make money than a person living in a penthouse in Miami. That doesnt mean that slum in mexico isnt a slum.
I am retired after many yers of working and Serving in the Army. I am living pay check to pay check. The last week before payment can be really hard. But I am living a simple life with grown up kids. The line of people standing in line to get food from Salvation Army or the so called Poor House are getting longer. But many of the poor people here in Norway are Rom People begging in the street. They come in Buses from Romania to beg in the streets. They are very pushing and often we dont know how really poor they are. They often steal Bikes or from your Pocket. Police found a lot of expensive Bikes in the Wood camps where some of the Rom People are living. And some are experts in house robbing in silence. Some of them are behind the Drug marked. And some of them are just sitting there or playing music in the streets.
"Around 560,000 people in Norway, or ten percent of the population, live below the EU's poverty line"
I have about 200 000 NOK, 20 000 USD before taxes. That is over 5 000 USD (50 000 NOK) under the EU's powerty "line", and I'm NOT the only one. As the quotation says, 10% of Norwegians are poor if you follow the EU's definition. And we live in a very expensive country.
In Norway, according to the authorities, everyone must have a place to live and be able to manage, that is correct. In practice, it is the local authorities who administer this. It therefore makes a big difference in how much help you get because it depends on the budget. It is not certain that you will get help with accommodation. You can get help for rent, but not cover the entire rent. Many people are struggling extra now with high prices and inflation.
Hi Tyler Walker im Norwegian.
Being poor in Norway is by no means easy.
We have people living on the streets, but they are often drug addicts and people who have lost their houses, many poor people are poor because they do not work and or cannot work. People come to Norway because they think they can get rich here, but that is far from the truth. They usually end up in bad apartments and have to have help to get enough food. If you work, there is no reason why you should not get by if you are alone, but a family of one adult and 2 children will not get by on one salary. Stay safe.
yeah but most of those people aren't just poor they are drug addicts and people with mental issues. a random poor dude doesn't live on the streets.
There were beggars (Eastern European or possibly middle eastern, IDN) in front of the Bragernes church in Drammen when we visited. I don’t remember seeing it any other time over the 19 days we were in Norway. Not even in Oslo.
i love that you talked and learned about this topic, its a very important one. I have noticed that you are not aware of the whole economical picture of norway in earlier videos. Good video as always
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You're misunderstanding what he's saying.
He's talking about how much the rent for the house is and what rent is covered.
He hasn't said a word about his own income impacting that.
He'd have the same problems if he had earned less.
I grew up with 6 siblings so we didn't have exactly a LOT of money, but I definitely had friends poorer than me. I lived okay I guess, but luxuries were in short supply. I remember Dad working so much that I barely ever saw him, and mom was cooking and baking every single day while taking care of us. I remember she made these homemade pizzas that were 5 times thicker than normal just to put more food on them. They tasted mostly like bread. Not to say we didn't have toys or whatever, but for christmas for instance we got one big "sharing gift" and individual smaller ones that were honestly more just for the joy of unwrapping them. We lived in the outskirts of an already very outskirts area in a house my dad built himself. Like the guy who commented here I wanted a job as soon as I could, but due to my location there was really nothing around
I live in Halden and if you are hungry here then you are to proud. Grønnehus is a free cafe with warm food and bread and a food bag if you need every Tuesday to Thursday. Red cross gives you a bag with food and a warm meal every Monday. Kirkens bymisjon gives you food on Saturday and some other days. When i was younger they helped me a lot❤ klessentralen gives you 4 types of clothes every month that you can pick out in a free store. Usually if you can’t provide for yourself in Norway it is because of psychological problems or drugs ❤
And i forgot frelsesarmeen every Friday they give you a meal and a bag of food
I love Halden. That’s where I want to live when I move to Norway.
@@mwalsh5757 Halden is beautiful ❤️🇳🇴
Yep, its difficult to be poor in a rich country. If you are poor/low-income you will get your needs met, but it will still be difficult. Its a game of juggling wants, needs, and health.
*Poverty to me meant not going to the doctor as a teen because I didn't want to burden my mothers economy even though a doctors visit was "only" 200NOK. I was limping around for 2,5 years until I relented and went to the doctor.
Poverty in Norway is difficult because while the government helps out the ones who are the worst off, some of the issues are not really noticed until the middle and upper class suddenly face the same problems (like not being able to afford activities for their children).
Poverty in Norway is living a life where middle and upper-class don't believe that poverty is even a thing in Norway, because they don't take notice.
you didnt read all about "Husbanken" in the comment about the single mom with 3 kids. "Husbanken" is for the people that can NOT get a loan for a house/appartment in the bank, but for people who need help. That is the importent part of what he said there. Its really hard to get a loan to buy property in norway. Im 51 years old and have been sick for many years and I have 14000 nok per month, I couldt have afford my appartment if I didnt live with someone. But if I had lived in the us, I probably would bee on the street because I had issues for such a long time and wouldnt get much help.
He is talking about "bostøtte" from husbanken. With 14000 you qualify for several thousands per month. The limit income before tax is 24000 .
@@mortenhallangen1933 not if you live with someone that also have income. He didnt talk about that, it was about a loan from husbanken. They have loans for low income people or people with special needs. and he didnt read all of it.
Growing up, my mother would skip meals so me and my brother could eat. 🙃
At my lowest as an adult, I've fought not to cry from receiving a grocery bag of food from the churches food help thing, cus it helped me so much. I've gone to without eating, cus I couldn't even afford a single apple for multiple days. (Luckily the people I worked with found out and they let me bring home leftovers from the cafeteria).
It has been rough, but things are better now. Feels great not having to decide between getting milk or bread as an example.
stuff is acually cheaper in norway compared to usa now, I think it flipped a few years ago, and usa is now more exspensive
Say what? I dont believe that. Prices are really high now.
@@pappelg2639 They're higher in the US. The US has had a strong economic growth the past years, and Europe has not.
It's because the global situation is getting increasingly instable, and that causes fear among investors and entrepeneurs in where to invest which again affects growth. But, if you have a gigantic army, your country is geographically safe and you have the most commonly used currency in the world, you're going to be seen as a much safer investment. So, in the coming couple of decades we will see a much stronger economic growth in the US than in Europe, and even rich European countries like Norway and Switzerland will fall behind the US.
If you think prices are high, it's because global prices are high. Prices have gone up everywhere. Which is something we will see even more of in the future, and it's something the US is much better prepared for than Europe.
@@pappelg2639 Just check cost of living index, prices in USA is getting pretty high, if i should guess its rent that is a little high in USA, but also everything is now expensive in USA.
@@pappelg2639 the exact numbers is that usa is 6 % cheaper if you dont include rent ( assuming from our Norwegian 25% VAT) an USA is 10% more exspensive if you include rent, assuming from the rediculus rent you hear about in CZcams.
Hi Tyler. I live in Norway and i am Norwegian. I work for free, for one of many help organisation's in our country. In my city, Moss, wich is just 30 min from oslo, we help families with clothes, food or giftcards in grocery stores. I am, myself, a struggling single mom, and the last week, before payday, i have to choose between my medication or food. So of cource I buy food. Wich means i go around without critical medicine for at least one week. Back to my organisation. Like, for Christmas, we have a loooong list from parents who can't afford the food or a present for their children, especially the last 2 years, with the huge increase in EVERYTHING u need just to eat or to have heat. To keep their kids filled with food, i know of mother's who only drinks water for a couple days, so there will be enough food for the kids. Last Christmas, we helped, in my town, about 210 families.😢😢😢That is, 387 kids😢😢😢 my heart bleed for them. If they try to get help from the government, sad to say that 7/10 times, the government call CPS instead of just trying to help.... So many families is afraid of trying to ask for help....
Education in Norway is free, elementary school, high schools and even university and all in between. There’s some private schools you can attend to and pay for.
I'm disabled and live in Norway. I became disabled after an operation. I am on disability pension and receive about $1400 am month. In addition I get a housing benefit of about $200. That's it. I live in fear of the next interest hike as I own a small apartment and if the interest keeps going up I'm going to lose my home. I couldn't rent a home for the same that my mortgage payment is, so I would be Fd.
The government keep cutting in tax rebates for high medication costs and cutting support for medical treatments such as physiotherapy and similar that we all need to stay mobile and feel healthier. (Not all healthcare or medications are free) I live with considerably more pain than I would if they hadn't because I can't afford those treatments over stuff like food and heat. I never thought I would have to stand in line at the food bank to get enough to feed myself, but that is more and more common in Norway, even for people with families where two adults have full time jobs.
There are hour long queues at these places. People who paint Norway as a country without severe poverty are just blind to it or refuse to see it.
Tons of what we class as our right-wing think that people on disability should be forced to live on less than even the minimum wage you could earn in any job, 'cause "it shouldn't be a positive / profitable to be on a disability pension" For us who do live on a disability pension poverty is a life sentence. We can't get out of the hole, because we're too sick to work. And we have no impact on politics or laws, so we're stuck taking it. All the while most political moves to decrease poverty is aimed at people with children. And while I don't think what they are doing is wrong, they are ignoring that a LOT of people on disability are single and old enough that their children have moved out. So we are just forgotten. Ignored.
People that are well off in Norway aren't exposed to this kind of problem so they don't think it exists, or choose to ignore it as it doesn't affect them.
Norway is far from as rosy as it's being painted outward. They are wilfully starving their sick and vulnerable all while having the oil fund which we've been told since forever is "for the next generation". But they only ever use it for nonsense instead of keeping their population safe and healthy.
That's where Norway is right now, and it's only getting worse because the pensions don't keep pace with the price increases on EVERYTHING.
And there is nothing I can do to change it.
Using all that money will result in inflation, so you end up carrying money in a wheel barrow like he germans did between the wars. Is that what you wanna do. Printing more money means each bills value is greatly reduced. I'm sure you can see that connection between supply and demand?
@@TullaRask Look, I might be disabled now but I used to work in finance, and you're just wrong. A few hundred thousand sick and elderly getting raised above the poverty line is NOT what's going to cause inflation. That's just a right-wing talking point. It's never a problem with the rich getting their tax cuts and end up with more money in their pockets than such a raise in pensions would ever cause. You've swallowed the right-wing talking points. It's really sad that you believe that, over the lived experiences of countless sick and elderly that have come forward and told how they struggle to survive. I'm gong to give you the benefit of the doubt as far as your ignorant statement, but honestly I think you're just one of these people I described above who thinks the poor should live on less than beggars.
@@MessyMeep Actually I live on KVP from NAV, so you're missing your point. You can say you worked in finance all you like. Your argument is all about priorities, and that's the problem isn't. The parliament made a rule going above that increase inflation. Even international bankers say that, but instead you listen at the nabour? So within those borders everyone has to fit. The only difference between me and you is I'm able to lift my eyes and see that I can't have all the things I want. Life isn't fair, it has never been and will never be.
When the economy was good a lot of Norwegians assumed poverty was dealt with and nothing to worry about (sort of like Eva Jolie's description of Norway's attitudes to corruption where "we don't need to investigate corrution in Norway because there isn't corruption") but now that the country is in the tank it's impacting a lot more people, and we've had instances like debate hosts breaking into tears when they hear how people live. Same thing with "public confidence"; we've bragged about that as if it's not something that always has to be earned. We're not that different from Americans, taking it as an article of faith that we are "the world's best place to live" and letting it blind us to things that need to be dealt with. Don't get me wrong, Norway is great at a lot of stuff (paid leave is something I have a hard time imagining parenthood without) but there's also a certain arrogance that is being challenged atm
We are very different from Americans. Have you even been there? The amount of people living in the streets, or trailer parks, is staggering. And yes they have slums in the US, unlike what Tyler belive.
@@okklidokkli You're taking what I wrote very literally; I'm saying that in the same way that Americans will refer to themselves as the world's greatest country, Norwegians refer to Norway as the world's best place to live in a way that makes it sound unquestionable. And yes I've been there and obviously we're very different societies, we just share that core "we're the greatest, no need to check" mind set.
People who say there is no corruption here so there's no need to investigate corruption are themsleves corrupt. And they know it.
@@magnusalexander2965 I've personally never heard a Norwegian say that Norway is the BEST country in the world to live in.
What I have heard, however, is that people say that Norway is a GOOD country to live in, but that there are always things that can be improved.
And that is the big difference between US citizens and Norwegians, and also WHY Norway, amongst other countries, is a much better country to live in than the USA.
@@magnusalexander2965 I understand and actually agree with what you are saying. The mindset can be somewhat similar, but the reality is very different. There are good reasons why Norway have far better score in the Human Development Index.
But yeah, we Norwegians should be more humble when talking about these matters. Life quality is a huge subject, and often it boils down to personal preferences as well.
05:30 Kindergarten costs a monthly fee that may differ from area to area (but likely won't be too expensive), grades 1 through 10 (Grunnskole consisting of Barneskole grades 1-7 and Ungdomsskole grades 8-10) are free and mandatory, whereas citizens are given 3 years of free further education (Videregående consisting of grades 1 through 3 (or more, if you continue your education, but this will cost money)). The 3 years of further education is non-mandatory, but from what I found online, each teenager that hasn't gotten a job or signed up for further education gets contacted at some point about further education, and I believe the 3 years are given with an expiration date, meaning that they are only valid for so long before you no longer have the right to them.
While college and university in Norway isn't exactly free, most universities in Norway are public and have a semester fee of around $30. In addition to that, everyone studying in Norway (or even abroad) have the right to scholarships and student loans at a very low interest (even lower than your mortgage)
? not free... I went to a good university, and that was free ❤
@@mariannepedersenhagen6760 I know of no university (public or private) that has 0 kr in semester fees. Maybe there were no semester fees before 2010, but after a quick Google search, all public universities have a semester fee of at least 900 kroner per semester. Is it neglgible for most people? Yes. Is it free? No.
So the activity for children has gotten a lot better for poor Norwegians the latest years, even in the small rural town i grew up in there is now free rental of sports equipment, Like skis , padel boards, electric bikes, skates, kanos etc etc, and we have a lot of possibilities to get help financially for those types of things as well. So now adays its more the shame of having to use these services thats the problem for some parents.
You got to be healthy to be sick in Norway. That’s what i have heard in a psych ward. You don’t get help if you can’t fight for it. And that’s the people who are the poorest ❤
4:18 There's (at least?) one person that's (still?) homeless in Trondheim (3rd largest city)
@13:10 This is just wrong or the person worded it badly. The housing support is based on your income and the max allowed rent they can use for calculating this. It will vary a bit depending on where you live. Outside the cities it is currently 6519 NOK/month.
An example: 20k NOK gross income, 8k rent, ~5k deductible (due to income), coverage is 73.7% which then give you 1068 NOK/month in support.
The figures above change a bit if the person or someone in the household is on disability.
Poor ppl here in Norway is very hushed down, but yes, we have poor ppl here as well, it isn’t that easy to get help from social services, but we can always get ahead if we’re two grown persons bringing home a meal.
I hope you can make this video again with better sources. much of this is not true
Actually you do have something slum like in the US. Just look into san fransisco and los angeles. I would call that slum. It’s sad and shocking that it has gotten this bad. I wasn’t aware it was that bad before I saw some news and videos documenting it. Drive by’s etc.
For me growing up it was often going hungry (and eating unhealthy) as well as feeling alienated from others my age not being able to afford what have you. My whole childhood I was always two or three "generations" behind everyone else if we're talking technology. Now that I am an adult I'm living on what essentially is minimum wage, but since I'm so used to having little I practically feel rich, ha ha. Still, electricity and food's too damn expensive!
At 13:30, the guy is not describing his income, he is describing his cost (rent)
08:05 They got vacation, what they mean is that they didn't have the money to go on a vacation, as in, couldn't afford to go abroad, or to various theme parks, etc.
This sounds like a first world problem, but it's a big problem for kids, because when they come back to school after summer vacation everyone ask "Where did you during the holidays?". Some poor kids skips the first days of school to get out of answering those questions.
Some teachers used to ask the students to tell the rest of the class what they did during summer, but I think they stopped doing that incase some students didn't go anywhere!
An important point is that no matter how poor you are, everyone in Norway has free access to top healthcare and education, including at universities. If I had to pay for health insurance and my children's education, I would definitely be poor,
College is free, university cost 50 USD per semester, which isen't qute free, but incredibly cheap.
Wow only $50? That is miraculous for someone who wants to be educated and doesn't have the money to be educated here in the United States, like myself.
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- In Norway, for higher education like college or university a significant portion of student loans usually goes towards paying for books and other school supplies.
Perhaps also for dorms and the like in some cases, if and when you have to move to another place to further your education.
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@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle Yeahman, which is why a lot of people from abroad studies in Norway, but obviously that's going to cost more as they also have to pay for a place to live etc..
@@soolve1 I am in the thought process of deciding to do the same. I want to garner experience in an industry that I like, then move to a cold climate like Alaska (to get used to the cold). I live in Texas and am one of the only ones that wears shorts and t-shirts in the winter here. All the while learning Norwegian over a long time period and eventually get a work visa to earn a citizenship hopefully working for a Norwegian company of the same industry and start a new life with les worry than I have here in the U.S.. However, I might find myself along the way content with living here if the politicians and lobbyists don't continue the path of making life more difficult for working class individuals.
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle Well, never been to the U.S but based on what i hear atleast, you should come over here :) Plenty of oppertunities for work.
No norway is not a paradise. Because norway the country is rich, they help other countries, bringing more people into the country. But we dont have the system, capacity, work, housing to take all these people in and help the ones who are already here. Yet we keep bringing in people from other countries because we look good in the eyes of the world, and ofc because some people need the help.
But poverty is real, the systems need to change. Instead the government cares more about what they look like in the eyes of the world. And the rich side of norway. Government shouldn’t be allowed to be exceptions to the rules or they won’t care what rules are in place. They should have to experience first hand how the policies they implement affect the lowest in our country.
But we can’t be compared to actual poor countries like In Africa, at least we don’t starve to death.
I have around 13 000 NOK every month. I'm kind of "lucky" because my parents are very sick and had to move out of their house. So I'm taking care of it, and live rent free. But that is not going to last forever. The reason for my low income is that I have a neck and spine that are...f*cked up. So I'm actually not allowed to work anymore. With todays prices on food and what you need at a dayli basis. It's hard. I don't have a car, no TV, no internet...besides my cell phone.
But I grew kind of up like this anyways. We never starved, my grandfather was a lokal butcher and we had our own pig each year, and grew our own potatoes and carrots and baked our own bread. W even had chickens for eggs.
But I havent bougth a piece of clothing f ex in...5 years. I eat soup, and a lot of moose. I DO hunt. And I do fish.
One of the reasons why there are so few poor people in norway is that the income limit for beeing defined as poor here is that the limit is set far lower than in the whole of Europe. That's one way to reduce the number of poor people in a country.
feel you, as you say, you are lucky right now. For your own good, better start saving up 50% of that income:) Maby start a fond? you can create a fond in your bank, or in the app Nordnet if you want to do that:)
13k every month and you don't pay rent? I wouldn't call that being poor. What do you even use all that money on? Where I live I use about half my income in rent. I have an income of about 19k.
@@TullaRask Food, elektrisity, dog and cat food. Insurence, and even though I don't pay "rent" I give my parents 6000 every month.
@@user-we7vk5zg7l So then you pay rent.
People who live on the streets in Norway has issues the local welfare can't solve. Either they are not Norwegian and are not suppose to live here, have mental issues, they are nomadic and choose to live outside, they are drug addicts etc. I live in the capital, one of the most shabby areas. People who live outside in this area fits into those categories.
Poverty exists here and is on the rise. Especially after covid, those already struggling pre pandemic are having it even worse now. Many smaller businesses and business owners had to file for bankruptcy.
And we do have beggars and homeless people that are not gypsies, but ethnic white Norwegians plus junkies. The difference is that it’s not as visible as in America and other 3rd world countries… I live in Oslo, but used to be way worse here in that regard. I’m originally from the suburbs/countryside, and coming from a small town environment we did have junkies back home as well, but again not as visible. More in poor housing conditions, but not like a slum per se. Tho we did call it the ghetto/slum🤣🤣🤣
Overall poverty in Norway isn’t as visible as in other countries that’s more poor. It’s more in that they can’t afford a vacay somewhere exotic, they don’t drive fancy cars, they can’t afford sending their kids to events, or do sport activities. It’s in the smaller details.
Poverty in Norway is when you’re forced to live on 1K after taxes for a whole month.
Poverty in Norway is seen like staying home, because you can’t afford going out with your friends.
Poverty in Norway is seen as walking around in the same handmedowns or clothes in general because you can’t afford new one.
Food is very expensive in Norway, so it’s mainly housing, bills and food that will be the biggest worry if you don’t have kids or a family to support on top of that.
Most Norwegians who denies that poverty exists here are usually rich, and obviously due to privilege. They take these smaller things for granted and can’t simply understand why everyone doesn’t have what they have.
I grew up upper middle class, but as an adult I’m poor and underprivileged being a minority within several minorities. Due to the prices on food has only skyrocketed and only increasing its harder to be poor now than 15+ years ago.
Living paycheck to paycheck it the norm in Norway too, and not always making ends meet is quite common. We have homeless people so the facts are a little off.
Yeah in Norway school is free🙃🙂
Actually get paid to go to college. Half loan half free. 600$ pr month.
The call it relative poverty in Norway actually
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You can't have homelessness when it's winter.
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Yes, it's provided, but only if you qualify for the welfare system.
Immigrants sometimes don't.
That's the main reason why we do have homeless people.
Drugs etc and mental health issues can also cause issues with getting or keeping a home.
If you're given money for an apartment but use it on drugs instead and there's nothing available paid for by the government directly...
It likewise people unable to deal with money due to mental health issues...
Alle har mulighet til et sted å bo i Norge,men det er ikke alle som velger å ta i mot tilbud som er der.
That is NOT true , at all.Get your fact rights
@@user-tf3je6vi4q are you talking to me
@@user-tf3je6vi4q hvis du er må du sjekke fakta i stedenfor for dette har jeg vært med på siden jeg var 25 og det er 30 år siden så sjekk igjen du no brain
@@user-tf3je6vi4q It's probably you who has to check because I know it's like that when I've been in the system there for 30 years now so don't come here and come here. 👊🤢🇧🇻
there is some who is not eating to provide theyr kids food. done it my self
They do the same thing in the uk same thing in uk once again. It's good to know facts but it is very sad but I guess all countries have there poor sides but yes America does have some very very run down area. So you can't say there isn't any Philadelphia is main one I know of. Yes drink drugs and gambling or mental health is the main reason
According to a UN report Appalachia(US) has "3`rd world conditions of outright poverty".
Well seem not to Tyler or he seems not to really see it or care
It actually makes me upset when people say because Norway is wealthy that means the people are rich too. That's so far from the truth.
If you know the rules you will always have what you need to survive in Norway
Then you end up quarelling you way through every NAV caseworker, I wouldn't choose that as a way of getting through. Must be incredibly tireing.
Being poor in Norway is being given the economic means to exist, but not to live.
Couldent agree more 👍
I get 20k Nok a month after tax on 80% Ufør, and have cheap apartment cost due to luck..
I never have a problem paying my bills or having enought to eat (and I eat quality food ).
But I also never have anything left for vacation or luxeries..
and I definetly cant afford a car.
@@hwplugburz dang... would you say it still beats being on the streets with absolutely nothing?
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle Absolutely. All my basic needs are coverd so yes.
Also Im a smoker, so I do actualy use like 300 dollars a month on sigars and sigarillos (and I guess that kind of counts as luxeries..)
Why are people so angry🙃sad to see all this shit from my fellow norwegans.just sad
Outside of the sad, sad troll with no life, no one here are angry.
I don’t see any angry people
This peopel Are Not from Norway.
day 3 of asking you to react to when a couple of norwegians saved the world and stopped hitler making an atomic bomb. The heavy water war, operation guunerside
that's not only in NORWAY. it's all so a EUROPEAN THING. ,everybody how is a resident ,get money.
I am a former heroin addict and used to live in the street of Oslo. I meet hundreds of poeple living in the street. Would estimate 10-20% have psychological problems 80-90 are drugs users and 5%-10% non mentally ill or drugs users.
Everyone have access to a roof over their head. Most of them simply don't feel like they need it and other don't feel like what they get offered is a safe alternative.
Poeple who live on the street do so because they choose to do.
Poverty has been eradicated in Norway.
Nonsense
As in America, there are a hundred possibilities of being or becoming poor. This also applies in Norway. You don't get help without help, you have to have a reason, and then it's not enough to just say you're poor. But in today's society, more and more people are becoming poor because of large price increases on the most important things in life. And you know of people who buy new-fashioned clothes for their children so they won't be teased, but only eat soups to live. There have also been those who have large debts, and have always driven nice cars and have nice houses, who today move to apartments, as they are no longer able to pay their loans.
And as they say here in Norway: Old habits are hard to break. And there are many who have made mistakes. Use both credit cards and other ways to hoard money so they can continue their normal lives, but as many people know, everything comes to an end one day, and many people know that today.
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many poor rumanians (gypsies) on the streets, it's sad to see.
The worst part is the way "rich" people look down at people who are less fortunate. You have no social life if you don't live in an area where poverty is the "normal". As long as "I must have a new car, a huge house and a modern cabin to be happy" is the way of thinking this won't go away. BUT there is light in the end of the tunnel with more and more youths stepping away from the "mastersickness" that have poisoned the norwegian educational system.
People actually live outside if you are outside if you’re not have not earned your social security status.
I am Norwegian but lived abroad for 4, due to surcharge I needed to moved back and had no social rights whatsoever.
Lived outside for 4 months got a hire house in a house with broken windows and broken steers. Happy to have roof over my head. Not everyone gets help from the government in Norway.
I was Hungry many days without food.
Growing up we lived in a single room house, toilet outside no hot water. Often bread sometimes no food, but got some from friendly neighbours. I was lucky enough to live in a friendly neighbourhood, that took care of each other.
You must go to school in Norway. So that’s not an option no to.
Actually the newest number is that 10,9 % of all Norwegian are considered poor in Norway.
It's ok I don't believe most of what people say to me when it comes to the welfare services not helping them and they end up outside, but I would definately consider myself poor and the welfare system is by no means easy to handle. It helps being a dedicated optimist. Lots of people struggle in Norway, but they get an apartment and just too little money to live on, they are good at not giving you whatever you want. The limitations are everywhere. Like I needed glasses, and just knew getting it from them would be a struggle, so I paid with a creditcard. They don't want to pay for your dept ... naturally. I turns out I needed prices from 2 different optitions and the one I was using was too expensive.
Oh Tyler, there are slums in the USA. Do a search on the real poverty in tha USA.
Yes there are. If you watch some of the drive videos of the LA that films the hookers, they tend to drive by the slums where you see people living in whole streets by the curb in their cardboard houses. Some of those areas are called slums.
There are no poor people in Norway
You feel poor because you don't have the same as your neighbour
Exactly. It's about envy, not poverty. Imagined poverty.
Um, Tyler, you do realize (doubtful) that the poorest 1% of Norwegians = 54,000 people whereas the poorest 1% of Americans = 3,400,000 people.
OK. Your point? Get a life.
I think few are ignorant in America about the homeless problem. Why are you acting so condescending?
Ah, you are back.
I thought you had fallen severly ill or something.
That would have been..horrible...
I don’t get your point … Norway has less people than the state of Massachusetts.
@@AverageJoe483 Learn what "per capita" means.
I'm surprised that people don;'t get paid to live in Evansville, Indiana.
($1500/mo. won't pay a single person's bills in most of America.)
No one cares. This is about Norway.
I guess no migrants are in Evansville, Indiana getting free hotel rooms....
(Does Evansville, Indiana even have hotels? Why would it?)
Who cares if your backwater place has hotels or not. This is Norway.
@@Atlas_Redux that "backwater place" is where Tyler lives, so relevant to him for comparison.
@@nolajoy7759 Good for him. I'm not reacting to him or that place.
Starving people in the US? I thought you said Americans are fat?
FYI: Most homeless people in America are addicts or mentally ill. Laws in recent decades have made it very difficult to force people into shelters (of which there are plenty) or asylums.
No one cares. This is about Norway.
«Plenty» is strong when 36% of the homeless population in the USA dors not have a shelter to go to.
Also in the USA homeless familys with children is on the rise.
One really cannot compare poverty in the USA with Norway. It is a massive difference.
Google it and learn something.
Fun fact: There are school meal programs in all G7 countries except one -- Canada.
Fun fact, no one cares. This isn't about Canada. It's about Norway.
All or nothing? What a horrible system Norway apparently has.
Most assistance in the US is a sliding scale.
Who cares about the US? This is about Norway.
It's very true. Once you are put in the "poor people/wlfare" box, you lose a lot of resources you could use to get out of said box. The gov. Is very keen on keeping you a "welfare-slave"
Some NAV caseworkers is not update with the rules. And some not even bother to check.
So wrong information to people in need happens.
There is few different ways and different types of help. (All with certain criteria) But you can get help with half of living expenses, or 1/3 . But it is often difficult to find out where and how to apply.
I did get help for 3 months while between work. I got the standard unemployment benefit + about half of my house loan costs. After 3 months i got job, and i did not have to pay back the extra help.
Other issue here is that, in first place. You have to ask for help. It is indeed criteria's. You will not get help to pay your drugs or your Ferrari. You most likely be told to sell some stuff from your home.
The NAV system is better on paper than in reality. Caseworkers is often wrong and not helpful, it is not well informed on your rights or criteria. Poverty is somewhat hidden, so it is more embarrassing.
Most people think it is not a thing in Norway, this makes it worse for poor people.
Some have problems with meeting the criteria's. Some does not ask. And some live here, on streets who are not citizen's.
It is not and «all or norhing» system, but poverty is bad no matter where you are.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Norway