Let's Have a Look at the 1989 Space Marine Paint Set - Codex Compliant
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- We're back! Also, as many viewers instantly pointed out, the 'Minotaur' is the old Golden Daemon design that we didn't recognise for some reason. Not sure how we missed that but it's fine. IT'S FINE.
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I want to tell you that it's the Golden Demon on the flag, but I'm worried that this is actually one of those Marneus Calgar dinosaur/protonid traps again...
Y'know... you're right. So used to seeing him with his modern look that we did not make the connection (despite showing images of other paint sets with him on).
Although now that means there's a bunch of Imperials with a Daemon flag lol
Yeah, the demon lad used to appear in other artworks on the front of different paint sets
@@SnipeandWib don't worry, the 'Eavy Metal Commissar will be along shortly to 'correct' their heresy. You'll know when you see him because, unlike the other Commissars, he wears two thin coats.
Dang it, you beat me to it! :)
Yeah, I assumed it was the Golden Demon. Which, in context, is strange that a bunch of presumably loyalist Space Marines are waving it around.
(As an aside, one could probably create a "Golden Demons" chapter of marines. Puppetswar has a few custom helmets that could convey that, like demons or goats, without straying into the "obviously Chaos" territory.)
This was my first ever paint set, bought in 1989 when I was 11. I followed that guide on those ancient dark blue terminators from Space Hulk. Such nostalgia.
oh my god the Techmarine has a TINY HAMMER
it’s average sized innit… it only looks small cause he’s big, I promise! 😂😂
Good to see you guys up again and doing well! I think the minotaur dude is the Golden Daemon who was on most of the other paint box set artwork around the time.
Yeah that Golden Daemon was on the cover of the old early 90's paint box, though at the time i thought it was just some kind of ogre or troll! I remember it was sitting on a stool I think, and wearing like a magnifying monacle and was painting a figure.
A weird thing about that black/reddish-orange/yellow/Blood Angels chaplain paint scheme is that the chaplain displayed originally appeared as a Howling Griffons chaplain in White Dwarf - you know, the chapter with the yellow/red quartered paint scheme. Presumably a tight deadline meant that they got turned into a Blood Angel with the addition of a few blood drops instead of a whole new model being painted.
I am really chuffed to see that Techmarine painted up, also I quite like the coincidence that you painted their shoulder pads purely metallic, as that is how I painted up the Techmarines in the Fire Angels army I collected for Rogue Trader 30+ years ago. 🙂
Fun video as always. I know that calling the circumstances behind it "less than ideal" is a crass understatement, but I think Snipe's new hair really suits them.
I used to have that paint set! (I am as old as time).
All that artwork, those photos, that crazy fluff, this is such a glorious trip down memory lane. Thank you so much for making this specifically for me.
New Snipe and Wib to brighten my Monday, you two are the best!
@snipe and wib it’s Pete :) delighted to see you made a video using the paint set. I hope you look forward to your next package. Also speedy recovery snipe.
Another great video from the best couple on CZcams. Snipe's freehand Crimson Fist is impressive.
The Deodorant Grav Tank looks mint.
Seconded. I too noticed the Grav Attack vehicle and realized I obviously missed an episode. Would be 'relevant to my interests' , as I'm building one myself at the moment.
Is it in the list, and if so; what's it called?
Not asking for a friend; this one's for myself...
@@D1-Games It's a 3D print that was sent to the PO Box. The associated mailbag video hasn't been posted yet.
@@crann777 Cheers; so my Search-Fu was not lacking after all. 👍
I'm building mine with original parts (Zoids, medicine spoon, etc), and was interested in how they did the panel lining. But that's obvious now 😁
Pledge of undying fealty here!
Gosh this hit me right in the nostalgia. Weird how something as simple as an old paint pot design can mean so much.
The new-old primaris somehow felt just... So appropriate. They're nice paints. The one I miss the least is Badab Black Wash because that smell like... Woof.
I accidentally licked my brush loaded with foul 90s Badab Black, it was like sucking a dirty dish cloth.
@@ted_splitter good lord 😫. You have my sympathy
Smells aside, I STILL habitually call them "Ink washes"
Like, "Yeah, just give that Leman Russ some black ink, then it'll look perfect"
Absolutely astonished at how well preserved that set was. Lovely work on the minis, well done both. :)
I want to see more of Snipe’s paint job!!
This was the first paint set I bought , it didn't had any brush in the box. These older pots and the paints were surely better than the newer ones, expecially those with the Bolt -like pot.
I was super surprised to see this in my recommended given the current state of affairs at Snipe and Wib HQ. I hope you both are well. The video was excellent, and I really enjoyed the deodorant stick land speeder in the background of the rouge trader techmarine.
I remember picking up this kit and super excited to paint my BA army in that style. Sadly my 13 year old self had no concept of thinning paints or blending. So cool to see one in my he wild. Thanks for posting this. Such great memory’s
I think the Minotaur I'd the Golden Daemons old school design.
This is quite interesting, as the painting that you did for the challenge models ended up looking a LOT like my own miniatures, just a bit fancier. I've only been painting since 2014, so I'm nowhere near as skilled as you two, but it's nice to see stuff that looks like my handiwork online!
Tbh the thin-ness is just the paints and has little to do with the age. They always were like that back then. And yes, those pots did tend to wear on your thumb... I used a penknife attachment to prise them open.
Also, Snipe's new hair looks great!
That was my first ever paint set! I'm so happy to see this.
Considering the limitations imposed, y'all did a cracking job on those models!
I only started paiting less than 2 years ago and just seeing how good you can paint these models without using washes but if I understood correctly, manually filling the gaps with black makes me super happy I was born in this era of convenience
Yall both look gorgeous in this video! Weird thing to comment on, but I still wanted to express appreciation for how cute your hairstyles where when you recorded this, Snipe did an amazing job on her makeup!
I was used to seeing her pony tail whip around but her new doo is quite nice too!
So much nostalgia in this video, from the magnificently eerie Chaos Gate soundtrack to the vintage WD deodorant tank!
And PC version of Space Crusade in the introduction.
The figure in the banner is the titular Golden Demon.
Loved this one, seeing older models and hobby gear tickles my increasingly aged (ripened?) nostalgia centers
Awesome history lesson about the colour manufacturers and iconography! Codex Compliant always hits the right retro spot 👍
I had this back in the day, it survived for a bit … but then I also remember a painting guide around the same time that had you using TERRACOTTA as a base for blood angels which I could never get to work …
holy cow in all my years I've not seen or heard of an old space marine paint set from that era
On Snipes comment on the aching of the thumb after opening the pots, I remember after some continuous use, the little lip would break off and only add to the fun my thumb had in opening the lids.
Aaaahh I remember those old citadel paint pots they were just started to be phased out for a newer design when I first started in the early 90s. Lol good memories
A serious trip down memory lane. 1st paint set I ever owned
Wait that looked very similar to the infamous Imperial "deodorant" grav tank in the background. Have you guys made one of those?
That was fully a pitstick tank
yay! codex compliant is always so interesting. can't wait!
1:52: there was an diorama model style of this. I distinctly remember GW giving it to me in exchange for something I'd saved up or some points, and being a bit miffed as I recall as I really wanted something like a Games Day ticket.
Ah, those good old marine rank markings. I remember them well...
First video I’ve seen from you both and I’m chuckling so hard, subbed!
I more or less started with P3 paints and they used the same pots, after digging out my 10 year old supplies, those pots survived better than the Citadel hex pots. The washes were a mix. My devlin mud and badab black were dried up, but leviathan purple looked brand new. Plus these pots just being bigger, I have a huge soft spot for them.
But good lord that booklet. Now I want it. I love all the janky and shot gun 80s, 90s scifi approach of RT.
As I was only half listening to the outro I hereby pledge my undyed field tea to the channel.
Yes! I love 1989 and that paint set! Yes, I was around back then!
What a brilliant video! Just a few days ago I ordered some paint sets from Warpaints Nostalgia 88 range, including the equivalent to this one. I am now even more excited to receivenit. However, to be fair with these sets, I always thought of them as a supplement of the main basic set. So allowing yourselves to use equivalent colours to the basic set ones would have been more than OK for me 🤣
Maybe that's another video. What can you do with the basic plus the marines one? Or basic plus orc/eldar?
I just love your channel and this series so much!
Ouch! It's Warcolours, not Warpaints. I always mess their name.
its nice to see you two back together in a video and for codex complaints too! hope you guys had a great halloween :>
Nice haircut Snipe! Very Necromundaesque :D
The 80's 40K aesthetic is awesome. That unique blend of baroque high fantasy, bizarre sci-fi proportions and self-aware British silliness that will forever appeal to me. It's funny how the more conservative players of the game seem to entirely be unaware of the settings less sober and nose-thumbing origins.
_"Is that interesting? I don't know. But it IS a thing that is true."_
That's why I'm here (just joking, everything you two post is interesting ;p)
I was just about to comment how the flag was the holden demon, but im sure others did haha, great video guys allways happy to see content from you.
Awesome video guys, loved seeing the old sets again..
Yay! Always makes my day to see a new video by you guys!
Firstly, it’s nice to see two(..!) examples of Snipe’s painting..!
Secondly, I remember first seeing this paint set in the pages of a friend’s copy of the old Citadel Catalogue Volume I but - like everything else in that catalogue - I never had the means to buy it ._.
Ah, the memories of paint pots past! Nice little review, cool chip tune at the end too!
I like that take on the crimson fists for the Primaris marine (with the top parts of the packs armored bits being red)
I bought this set in the early 90s. The paints were usable for almost 15 years.. I still keep the box.
I was going to comment about the Golden Demon on the flag, but that seam has been mined enough already.
What I _will_ say is that, back in Ye Olden Times before the Dawn of the New Millennium, we used to do a black undercoat (usually a car primer spray from Halford's because it was matte and intended to take paint as opposed to the Citadel spray, which was basically the same satin finish as in the pots - two swift passes from far away rather than one close-up, to avoid gunking up the detail) but _then_ do a coat of Smelly Primer (a white paint which was thicker than Skull White, to better cover the black spray... I really missed that stuff when they discontinued it) on the front face of any surface which was going to have a bright solid colour on it, leaving the shaded parts (like panel lines and edges, less well-lit surfaces on the chest, eye holes and those little vents in the MkVI nosecones) and the metallic bits black, before we started applying the actual colourscheme. That way, the colours popped more and the shadows didn't need any inks, just drybrushing in a highlight colour to pull it together.
(That was for army-builders to save time, of course - inks and special details were for HQ units and personalities.)
Then paint all the mechanicals like pipes, guns and exposed joints in Bolt Gun Metal straight over the black, drybrush in Chainmail then again in Mithril Silver and drybrush most coloured surfaces in white (except reds and oranges, where you used yellow) and you'd have a pretty serviceable quick'n'dirty Marine paintjob. As a rule of thumb, anything which wasn't in specific chapter colours like armour plates was left black for the undercoat and painted metallic for contrast.
If you wanted to get _really_ grimy, you could give the metal bits a wash with a mix of equal parts Brown and Orange ink for a rusty finish... but I usually didn't bother because after that you're just a small step away from picking out details like receivers and trigger guards in silver and brass on every miniature, and that way lies madness, joint strain and myopia.
The only really tricky bit was getting the fleshy heads right on Sergeants and the like... a Terracotta base coat over white with a suitably-fleshy colour for painted highlights like noses, chins and cheekbones (Bronzed Flesh when I started, but I prefered Bleached Bone which they introduced later as it was a shade paler, because I got the impression the Adeptus Astartes didn't get much time under the sunbeds) and a 1-in-4 watered-down Brown ink wash dabbed off the highlights with a tissue to avoid excessive shine did the job of pulling the colours together, with eyes dotted in white with a 000 brush (and pupils in black with a brush my little brother had destroyed down to a single hair).
Most of the time though, I didn't bother with the ink-wash and drybrushed very lightly in white to blur the transition a bit instead - it didn't make them look like a masterpiece doing it that way, but it came out looking sort of like the cell-shading in "Borderlands", so it wasn't completely terrible and saved a lot of time and effort being careful not to let the ink pool. Hair was yellow with a heavy white drybrush, because I remember seeing Marines being described as basically Aryan (an obvious fascist-Imperium nod) so I assumed they were all blonde-haired and blue-eyed like clones of Ivan Drago from "Rocky" as a result of the homogenising gene-seeding process. I mean, back then they all had the same crew-cut.
Bases were just white undercoat, then Woodland Green with a heavy drybrush in Goblin Green and a much lighter one in yellow (usually couldn't be bothered to use flock, so I just used the basic uniform texture on the Slottabases) and probably some Chaos Black around the edge to neaten it up. If I was feeling particularly saucy, I might paint over the black rim with Shining Gold or write something on it like a title or a motto for a display piece.
If you wanted to get _extra_ granular, varnish was a spray-gloss (again, two passes from a distance to avoid gunk) but with a matte varnish - applied with a dedicated 00 brush not used for paints - over the top to any exposed skin to dull the shine on the people-coloured bits and the dirt on the top of the base, providing a contrast with the smooth plasteel and metal textures of the armour... but to be honest I'd usually lost interest and moved on to another mini by then so I didn't get into advanced texturing techniques like that.
I never liked the super-glossy-finish-on-everything look which was popular on most of the Golden Demon entries of the time, anyway - it obliterated the details in the photos with all that reflection, and made the whole model look like a dank, sticky, slimy blob. That's great for Nurgle daemon tentacles, but not for the genetic pinnacles of Humanity.
Of course, I was a bit of an over-achiever, so I created my own chapter colours - Blood Red armour with thighs, forearms and upper chestplate in Red Gore (the two-tone red was subtle but effective) and yellow for MkVII shoulder-edges and other highlights (MkVI shoulder-nipples were in silver)... and then a stupidly-overcomplicated flame pattern along the bottom edge of the right shoulderpad (which I nicked from a Reaver colourscheme on a pale-blue background I saw on the inside of the Codex Titanicus cover) because I apparently hate myself and love to suffer.
It was a yellow base (Sunset Yellow in the beginning, Bad Moon Yellow when we finally ran out) over a thin one-pass Skull White undercoat applied on top of the block-Blood Red shoulderpad, a dab of Red Gore dotted in at the bottom and drawn up while the yellow was still drying, then a thin line of Red ink at the base of the flames to darken it once the whole thing was nice and dry, edged with a careful steady hand painting a black line with a 000 on the right-angle surface between the shoulder and the yellow edges to provide a hard border. The anaemic white undercoat meant that the yellow faded somewhat into the dark red behind it, and combined with a second yellow pass which only went halfway-up it looked blended without the effort and gave a nice background for the reds. The end result was pretty sweet if I say so meself, even though the process took about as long as the rest of the miniature again.
Then squad variants in bright primary colours (usually the bracelets, glove backs, right kneepad and left shoulderpad with no flames on the MkVII's - I think we'd finally exhausted all our stockpile of plastic MkVI's by the time I introduced this by chopping them up for battlefield injuries) with their role marking on the left shoulder, all for a practical gameplay purpose - having that reds'n'yellow scheme with one bright flash of blue, white, orange or green actually showed up those details really well and made it easy to identify different formations while keeping a nice unified colourscheme throughout, so you could easily tell one Tac squad from another for unit coherency purposes when they were moving up in close proximity.
I once challenged myself to paint up an Epic Marine in these colours, using the aforementioned one-hair brush for small details and squinting through a powerful magnifier... my wrist and elbow was aching and I couldn't see straight for a week, but I only bloody did it!
Not that anyone could actually _see_ the immaculate 3-stage flame paintjob on the 2mm-tall shoulderpad without said magnifier to appreciate it... 😢
Loved the video, both of your energy and excitement really makes your videos enjoyable. Love the deep dives in white dwarfes. Always excited when your content pops into my feed. Happy Halloween!
As someone who actually did paint with those paints back in the day, Terracotta, Salamander Green, Blue Grey and Bolt Gun Metal covered really well. Salamander Black was more watery than Chaos Black so I wasn't inclined to use it. Blood Angels Orange didn't cover quite so well and usually needed a couple of coats and pretty much the same with Space Wolves Grey.
Awesome video as always! Good to see a time where Salamanders get not one but two paints named after them 😎 Really tempted to paint a 30k apothecary in that green-white-red tricolour now
Would love to get ahold of one these classic paintsets, so jelly. A friend of mine gave one from the 2000 set range but 50% of the paint were hard. Maybe something about the paint-pots were far greater at keeping paint pristine.
Wow a new Codex Compliant! My day is made. I love this series.
You both are too talented! I am suprised the panits were still usable. Snipe, you look amazing
Both models are looking legit AF, nice job you two!
A pleasant surprise, that was my first citadel paint set, back in 1991, bought alongside a box of plastic beakies. Even back then the Blood Angels Orange was agonisingly translucent. The rest of the set were a mainstay long after I'd expanded my selection of paints.
Hope y’all are doing alright given the circumstances, love the video as always and hope Snipe gets better
Really love the content you make!! And introduced me to the hobby!!
Hope you both are having a good time this spooky night. Things have been hard for you two and deserve nice things. Just hope this comment helps you both get the good mood chemicals running in your brains.
I use a bottle opener for my old Citadel pots. Work like a charm and protects my fingers
as a Crimson Fists player that is a gloriously painted lad well done
As yeah! Love that paint guide! I’ve been using a PDF version I found to deck out my Primaris marines in classic Blood Angels symbols. I love the weird paint schemes the specialists have instead of the modern mono color ones.
CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME: I’ve compared the Coat D’Arms (CDA) line to the (early/mid) 90s GW line, and I’ve compared the CDA line to the Privateer Press P3 line, and in both instances they seemed nearly identical. And Mike McVey, who headed the GW paint redesign from the original 1988 range to the 1993-ish expanded range, was also the original designer of the P3 range.
My conspiracy theory being: P3 paints is also made by HMG, and is also a remake of the 90s GW range.
PS: shout out to Warcolours, whose Nostalgia ‘88 range (which was essentially expanded to cover the full 90s range) is an excellent range for us Oldhammerers, including the best modern Goblin Green.
This is lovely! I remember fondly my first paint sessions using brush on Smelly Primer. Then some Blood Red for my Blood Angels. A lot of Chaos Black and Skull White, Blazing Orange? And all plasma coils were glistening Green metallic and highlighted with tips of gold. Would you believe it in just about 10 years win a Slayer Sword…..no kidding it’s true. But first I garnered 7 gold Golden Demons and one Bronze…these paints were the litmus test to separate the persistent painter from the casual… then we all learned about Vallejo and NMM and the game was forever changed. Love your content. Stay strong and always remember a good audiobook will keep your mind occupied while entertaining. God bless from the US
Still have nearly all the pots from the original Colour and Space Marine box sets. None of them had labels, and I don't recall there being a Salamander black, that must have come later.
Son is using the Blood Angel Orange for the lenses of his Ultramarines and the White, now an off-white and Flesh for zombies.
D6-based colour schemes seems entirely appropriate for the early years of RT/40k.
Snipe your hair looks really good short like that.
Damn, I had this set way back when. I super wish that they still sold their paints in 20ml pots. Sometimes I even miss the old colors. That painting guide was amazingly useful and inspiring back in my youth.
With Blood angel orange, I have a mighty need to have the Blood angel symbol painted on a blood orange.
Wow you guys did a great job on the miniatures!
0:37 - My very first Warhammer purchase! I still have most of the old Bolter shell pots... not that I can actually still open any of them, mind. Or that they have any liquid paint left whatsoever...
damn. i'm old. i remember buying that set. flicking through that book and being inspired to paint up my blood angles and learning hard that expectation rarely matches reality.
Wouldn't mind seeing a comparison between these and the Nostalgia 88 set of the same name from Warcolours, they're supposed to be at least a 99% colour match.
Omg I love your new hair style Snipe!
WOOOOO YEAH BABEEYYYYY glad to see yall back!
If you have a Swiss Army knife, the bottle opener blade is really good for saving your thumbs when opening this era of paint bottle.
I enjoyed this far more than I thought I would, really nice painting too. Think I'm going to copy those great lamenters for my 25 year old space marine scouts!
terracota was a game changer... it was the first red you could paint over black with confidence.
My first paint set, circa ‘94. Still have the book knocking around somewhere. Me trying to paint Blood Angels with it made a right mess of them. 😆
same set for me too
Awesome, fun, and informative.
Nice to see you guys again. Hope Snipe is holding up ok!
Hair cut! Looks so goooood!
Just so you know I don't watch your videos often but the Scot in me obligates me to upvote the video purely on your use of the plastic water holder.
wow, this is some killer oldhammer. Unreal paint jobs too well done. Thanks for the video and hope you are doing well.
Great job guys:) Hugs and hope you're doing ok.
I recently opened one of those old pots holding Forgeworld pigments - with the white cap crumbling into pieces in my hands. Whatever softeners were used for that plastic must have been gone for years. So - if you have those old pots, open them carefully to avoid any ugly surprises... (Unless FW used different material for their pots).
You can get the pots or just the lids cheaply in bulk, if you want to slap a new lid on there.
Happy Halloween Snipe and Wib. Nice profile of old paint set. And I notice Ms. Snipe has a snappy new haircut. ❤
Nice Grav-attack Vehicle!
Lore in a painting booklet, sweet!
while I started collecting when the hexagon paints where a thing I did end up with some those older pots through various means . one of my faves is the metallics I have and still are usable glistening green and amethyst blue there is also a purple which I can't recall the name. I do also miss the inks specially skaven brown
Oooo I hope you guys do more paint related stuff! I got some foundation paints I wanna send you!
New Codex Compliant ! Yay !
i missed the opportunity to send any to the PO box but would you ever do a video relating gunpla? maybe more a wibdoesstuff type of video really, but it'd be interesting to hear your take on the differences between the hobbies. personally i dont really have the desk space for painting and get sensory issues from having glue on my hands, so getting into gunpla has given me a much needed outlet for the modelling bug. the poseability and bigness are also very fun and good for my autism brain, and theres even a skirmish game made for gunpla models. it feels like the respective hobby communities are oddly separate considering how similar they are in a lot of ways
Given that Techmarines are meant to be red, you could probably insert the one painted in this video into your Lamenters army as-is. Or maybe with a minimum amount of painting to signify its Lamenters allegiance, like the shoulder pad. Though I can imagine you're not exactly eager to paint more checkers.
coat d' arms also has the formula and recreated the Polly S line of old school paints for those of us who remember the late 80's and early 90's hobby scene.