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If you watch the recent C9 vlog it seems like everything is going wrong behind the scenes, Berserker was raging because nobody else on the team cared about scrims
I would be too its their job to care and jojos preformance has left alot to be desired. He can only play like 3 champs. The mid jung synergy c9 has always played for just isnt there. C9 clearly have no idea how to play against poke comp and TL knew it they had their number the whole searies
Why would anyone care? They know they are just there to he sold eventually and international is off the table. You're there for money nothing else.
Berserker raging behind the scenes is odd considering on stage he's constantly making egregious mistakes. he can get mad at Jojo for inting in scrims all he wants but like Jojo has straight up looked like the only human on C9 the entire split
@dobbyjenkins3903 JoJo is just playing what made him the best midlaner in LCS, isn't his fault his team draws literially no pressure.
Inspired and Bwipo said it on pros
"Why would we gank top when fudge plays so safe, and does nothing. He's no threat, and it's a waste of time. Botlane loses by just existing, so obviously we have to camp mid" thats exactly what they did in their series.
It's so obvious, JoJo is looking like the only human on C9. It's actually funny asf.
@@rwwars6948 fudge is just disgusting man, bro been roster riding top teams for way too long
They blind picked Lee game 2 because he's blind! The perfect blind pick champ
Yeah i think xin was a better option they already had senna give senna an enchater partner like karma and not reneta because karma can unlock xin engage better than reneta due to the fact reneta only works with the enemy team engaging into you where karma sheilds allow for both engage and disengage
gonna have to fire yamato after this failure.
systems diff
Bro that’s so cope… we all know the problems. Berserker has been hella overrated for years. Never had great stats and always just never died, but also never did much either and fudge is just not that guy… he is just an average LCS top laner. Also c9 for years has not had a go guy. They don’t have a Corejj who will just send it in and run it down sometimes but also pull sick fucking engages
@@seanziesman602 Berserker is the only human in C9 , do you even watch the game ? This split all of his laners are getting gapped and Vulcan is playing like shit for last 2 years now. Berserker gave C9 soo many titles , maybe give him some respect , C9 got the best ADC in the west from T1 , he was literally on the verge to going to lpl , and LS made sure he plays for C9.
@@seanziesman602 Berserker is not over-rated at all. I don't think you've watched him. His entire team ints the living shit out of their games - hell look at these 3 games against TL. Vulcan literally walks away from him and lets him die before the fighting starts earnestly and doesn't even zone the lee sin in his face. He's the best performing ADC currently.
@@JoshuaGraves113 he is hella overrated…he does literally zero dps. Been the same way ever since he got to NA. Never dies but never does jack shit cause he has zero balls. He never gonna make something happen…
Man, remember when 3/5 of C9’s current roster made it to quarterfinals at worlds?
I miss that. Bring that back.
Wasnt that like when hai was on the team lol
@@ethosterros9430nah 2021 perkz roster was most recent
@@andrewnoonan7242 gotcha. Hilarious how he ended up falling off a cliff cuz systems.
Berserker going back to LCK daaaayum nice
Berserker wants out lmao
If I had my support, top and mid getting gap every single game no matter the pick I will want out too
Unironically, bring back Zven
Funny all the haters would push that. Beserker has been the best player (obviously outside of this split) for two years now. It’s literally free wins. His team didn’t get a proper coach and didn’t have direction. It happens. Dudes still a beast and dancing on folks.
Waxwell Maldo, Bane of Balgernon
Dude is a yes man.
Maybe I am wrong, but it feels like Blaber is getting more credit cause of his history, than his performance has show. Its like Clozer or Santorin at the end of their "hyper carry" days. Free pass on inactivity and int plays no one else would get.
Not wrong
Everyone has been critical what do you mean? Everyone has also seen fudge, Vulcan, and def the coach as the bigger issues. You sort those three out and Blaber will be able to carry again. Dudes been the best jungler in NA for 4+ years at this point.
Hes always been bad. Only good point of his career was being endorsed by ls
I normally focus exclusively on junglers as my favorite role and players to watch. Never been impressed with him once. He can look good sometimes when the team is steamrolling, so can I when I play
@@OleNesie He's all hands no brain based on what I've seen, at least when he was in his prime. All his supposed highlight moments was him putting himself in a compromising position and his team happens to bail him out and it looks like he just knew his limits when it clearly wasn't the case. Like if you really get down to it on what kind of player he is at his core it's "Crabber". It's really dumb how these kids just have money thrown at them to sit in a room and play video games all day, home chef, coaching staff, the works, and their decisions still look like solo que in pisslo.
If they're better pound for pound, all they have to do is follow a supersize me program.
C9 chemistry and their systems have been so scuffed ever since they let go of LS. LS diff tbh.
I was so hyped to see what C9 and LS could do. Who knows what's going on now. Whatever it is isn't good.
LS himself built that team, but little C9 did knew that only him could make them work
@@intifadayuriabsolute tragety that them scapegoating him means no ls coach ever
???
@@intifadayuriye bro LS was the one that got jojo didnt he and LS was also the one that hyped fudge xd
There is no point in time where you could say fudge was or is a better top laner than impact bro
fudge was the least of their issues this series
But this BO3 Fudge isn't even the problem though.
At the end of first game, Fudge pulled off a miracle flank to kill TL AD and support but somehow the whole C9 died .
For second and third game blaber basically throw his lane. Can't really blame fudge for that.
like, c9 almost won game 1 because of fudge. this narrative is so weird to me, especially when berserker, vulcan & blaber were so much worse this series.
how can you say fudge was worse when he was literally on Renekton duty for 2 games lmfao?
Renekton vs Rumble which is the more useful champ xd?
@@Thomas-sr2oq I’m not saying fudge was worse this series. I’m saying fudge was LITERALLY ALWAYS worse
Greatest part that came from this C9 roaster is the C9 sub reddit.
If you havent viewed the absolute crazy frenzy C9 fans are going through on reddit, youre missing out. Simular to when C9 fired LS, the entire Subreddit has pitchforks.
For the coach. No one has liked Mithy because he simply doesn’t develop his team. He also doesn’t control drafts as a coach should. Stop being some weird parasocial hater. It’s cringe
@imblackstar I ain't hating 🤣 I get my kicks off LCS fans getting mad.
Like does it even matter? Trash region, who cares? Oh cool a LCS team won LCS, they still going 0-6 at groups 🤣🤣 could fking care less about who's shit on a team.
Also it's more hate against fudge.
Slight hate against vulcan and bezerker.
Systems9 LuL
It probs mean a lot to LS because the dominant C9 in recent times was basically built within the LS network of friends/recruited by LS. And watching these things crumble just makes him tilt
Nah surely Beserker leaves for Lpl or Korea. C9 is so bad.
unless berserker really really wants to leave, there is no world where c9 lets go of him.
Believe he is contracted for another 3 years
C9 has been a powerhouse since literally their creation. What is this COPIUM?
@@daveys_gaming_corner 2 years so until 2026 if that roster map from December was right.
C9 needs to bring back stability. Impact up Top, Jensen in Mid and Zven back as support. Zven actually understood how to unlock Berserker, especially with Berserker's language barrier and probably has better team building skills inside and outside the game. Mithy as a coach hasn't been working out for a while now, the drafts have been weird and hard to execute when the current C9 super team members all want to play a different way.
Berserker? Team building skills? The guy literally said he only builds and plays whatever Ruler does.
@@JoshuaGraves113 I know we're English speaking so we have reading comprehension issues but I'm saying Zven (not Berserker) has good team building skills and Zven was the glue that kept the team together. He's a great personality in all the interviews and when he's part of the casting crew, that translates into a better team environment inside and outside the game. Tbh, Fudge, Blaber, Jojo and Vulcan are all ego players and you can't have too many of them in a team or they will butt heads too often. You can see how they all want to play differently throughout playoffs and Spring split.
@@KokinkunZven was a good dude just horrible player but he brought soul into C9. I respect him.
Jack wants to keep the members for summer.
Your boy Fudge is the issue
Selfmade’s giggle at 8:00 was way too funny
Lmao Jojo regreting not joining TL for sure :)
Nah he regretting he didn't join flyquest.
Those who don't miss inspired jojo mid jungle combo didn't pay attention to EG
The only offers he got was Sandbox(LCK) and TL@@rwwars6948
looking at jojo performance i think TL/Fly are glad they didn't pick him up
@@tingasthefriendlyfish2902 you have no idea how league works if you believe that. Inspired and bwipo both said that "JoJo is the only human on that team, everyone else acts like they want to lose. We don't gank fudge because he plays to safe, and he backs off of every threat" (he goes on a rant making fun of fudge because bwipo stepped up like his jungle was there, but wasn't and got a free plate and denied fudge minions)
"He literially doesn't want to play the game, and C9s bot side is sad. No threat, so obviously we going to camp JoJo. He's the biggest target"
Inspired went on to say "it's not that JoJo is bad, it's that his teamates do absolutely nothing. Bwipo roams mid, and fudge is still stuck under his tower"
Flyquest still wants JoJo haha, because he's the one that dragged C9s dead corpse to 3rd 🤣🤣🤣
TL hasn’t been a winning team in years. No one would take that pick over c9.
cant be super team with Fudge on the team
usually you watch the pros to learn... love the random shit look like my elo
C9 needs Licorice, Sludge has been consistently getting destroyed top lane if Blabber isn't camping tf out of him.
Bro how tf is this fraud aloud to pick carry champs when he's absolutely boosted
This is not a serious comment. Blabber might be the biggest inter in the league
It is his current play style. Bwipo was 100% correct that Fudge now plays so safe you can fake a threat for easy small advantages. Do it enough times and the small advantages end up becoming a big problem. Why give him counter pick if he is just going to play safe? Put Fudge on weakside champs if he is going to play weak side style. Why draft him counter picks if he wont be able to make use of them? On a team like this someone has to play the dog and Fudge should be the one to take that. Opens Blabber up to focus on getting bot online or countering the mid camp. If Fudge refuses to play dog then cut him and find someone who will. There is too much talent in mid and bot to have top rot it away.
Zven seems like a big aprt of the teams identity and they were consistently winning bot lanes i never thought he should go and may have been correct im more then fine with the JoJo swap mid but i would have swapped Fudge for Licorice before i swapped Zven with Vulcan.
If they had ranged supports sure. Zven on engage or tanky supports was really hard to watch.
Wasn't C9's choice. Zven wanted out as he wants to play ADC. He made that perfectly clear several times before even leaving the team. So before this season starts do you kick Berzerker to keep Zven and slide him back in the ADC role? No that is crazy talk. Zven was only willing to play support if he could not find work as ADC and it was for a top team last year. Even then he did not want to stay a support. It was a short term choice. Easy to say with hindsight Licorice might have been a better pick.
Systems fckn diff , C9 is the New TSM , ruining LCS by getting top tier players from Na/the west and farm lcs , and never actually try different things to achieve something internationally. Jack playing it safe.... Ffs
Draft full face comp 3 games in a row. Get outscaled and outplayed in the early game, lose again and again. Play Lucian Nami when no one but the most die hard LPL teams play it. This just goes to show the problems with this team. It's worse in this region because these players (C9) are so much better than the other players. So their concept and philosophical issues are not being exposed until playoffs, just like James Harden. Your system will be exposed for what it is. A scrub stomper and not a real winning formula.
@3:08 the reason that c9 loses this fight is due to blabber engages onto apa which looks good until you realize the backline has no peel to stop jax ksante and in a fight without carries c9 loses every time because renekton and maokai arent meant to beat jax ksante unironically blabber fucked this up by not playing for peel he played maokai like hes vi or xin zhao think fudge carried that fight if blabber wasnt so horny to engage
Blabber can’t hit a single lee sin Q in game 2 and god it’s so hard to watch
15:45 blaber ward?
Why senna shroud look like liou V logo
since no one answered, it was because Luis Vuitton Sponsered worlds that year with a custom trophy case and the prestige Senna skin shows too
@@adamlund9964 gotcha. Ty for letting me know that.
The Systems are so powerful you guys...
C9 is a team who got 69 shot callers
There is no leadership experience on these teams and it shows. Just because someone was a good LOL player does not mean they can coach, those are two wildly different skillsets. Also this pussiefied "we all have to say and think the same thing" is not only stupid, it flies in the face of basic human nature. Super teams will have overwhelming failure rates because having 5 individually strong players does not automatically equate to a strong team. Sure help them with physical health but what is any team doing for mental development? Sending them to a head shrinker or wiping their ass when they whine is not going to do it. This game is literally oozing millenial/zoomer vibes and THAT is why it is failing. These players need to be broken and rebuilt from the ground up. You treat them like special snowflakes and that is what you get.
i think zven leaving was super bad, they need more hard workers. Vulcan is good, so is Jojo but I dont think they are like devoted tryhard players. but idk I can be totally off base, I havent watched previous games only Vlogs they done
TL slowly becoming NAs t1 😂. Lose for 15 mins, get an objective and instawin.
Why did LS stop covering other regions.
Probably because it's extremely time-consuming and stressful.
Crazy that you put a spoiler in the thumbnail and title. Actually defeats the whole purpose of the video and feels so shit to find out the result this way
Fudge and blaber are straight up trash been saying it for years some of the biggest chokers in NA
Nice to finally see C9 collapse
i hate to admit it but.
Emenes is Right lmaoooooooooooooooo
What did emenes say? I must have forgot or didn't see.
he said Blaber and Fudge are Lazy
go read his donezo manifesto right before he went to the Army@@rwwars6948
Emenes is many things, a liar is not one of them
okay JACK get selfmade and nemi on the phone after this one JACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE
Pffffft xD
c9 have 3 problems.
1.) Berserker never does that much dmg and is usually out dps’d by enemy adc
2.) Fudge is hella overrated and just an average LCS toplaner. Small champ pool and seems to just survive lane and do nothing. That being said he actually had his playoffs I have ever seen and actually kept them in it longer then they should have
3.) c9 got no go guy. They don’t have a corejj who will engage in and int sometimes but also land some sick fcking engages
To be fair to Berserker, it's not like his team absolutely plays around him. They usually end up dying before he can do anything - or like in this series when his support completely griefs him and lets him die.
fugde is washed that it
Every game is the same boring champions. No wonder people stopped caring about competitive LOL.
LS is full of it. So called expert
Full of what ?
@@LSXYZ9swag
Emenes was right.
So much hate aimed at the third best team in the region. They completely body anyone unable to match their hands. Get bodied by those that can. Poor team work is the issue. Get to the midgame somewhat close and you'll beat them. C9 are the gate keepers between awful teams and decent teams. No legit great teams exist in NA. MSI will prove that.
You predicted c9 winning 3-0. You have 0 credibility when your friends are in the mix 🤷♂️
What happened to maxwaldo??
He ess never good hes just a weak copy of ls without the spine to back anything up
Ls not blaming fudge cause theyre friends when fudge is a dirty inter
They literally almost won game 1 pretty much only because of Fudge, while Blaber & Vulcan play like dogshit and Berserker cleanses the air. Keep having a hate boner for Fudge even though it's clear that the whole team is very dysfunctional.
@@botbot3698 we just ignore the fact that he mis manages his first 3 waves and dies because of it ?
@@botbot3698or the tp on bot game 3 when bezerker is mega dead so he can go down another 20 cs
@@botbot3698R5 olaf counter pick btw
@@MegaCoupieno, I'm saying singling out fudge in this series makes no sense.