What If the Electoral College is Tied?

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  • @exobytemonolith5339
    @exobytemonolith5339 Před 8 lety +13871

    *Flips the coin* Lands on Side

    • @DynamitSepp
      @DynamitSepp Před 8 lety +815

      +Exobyte Monolith Third-party-candidate wins!

    • @JonHT96
      @JonHT96 Před 8 lety +421

      *No Third Party Candidate*
      Well, shit- Wait, what's this- Oh....
      *goes around the corner and burns "Deez Nuts"'s Candidacy papers*

    • @kevinchiem4061
      @kevinchiem4061 Před 7 lety +103

      hmm, my, what a problem, (the coin landed in a crack) do we both win, or do we both lose?

    • @dingers5days
      @dingers5days Před 7 lety +82

      Just do 'heads I win tails you lose' next time against your opponent if they're gullible enough

    • @underdoneelm7721
      @underdoneelm7721 Před 7 lety +21

      +Kevin Chiem Simple, they both become -king- president

  • @Priesstt_
    @Priesstt_ Před 4 lety +8773

    Imagine spending your entire life in the American eye. Deciding to run for president, spending years worth of stress on promoting yourself over a couple months. Winning all of it and being nominated for your area. Going one on one for the most powerful role on the planet. Getting 269/270 electoral votes, just one away from the presidency. Then you pick heads and the coin lands on tails.

  • @MidnightAssass1n
    @MidnightAssass1n Před 4 lety +7706

    Remember when George Washington said don’t split into parties?

    • @jwil4286
      @jwil4286 Před 4 lety +501

      I certainly do. Sadly, Idk how many others do. Sometimes I wonder if the Founding Fathers moonlit as fortune tellers

    • @josephandersonslaugh4923
      @josephandersonslaugh4923 Před 4 lety +358

      Literally impossible as long as people disagree

    • @blooblerdoobler
      @blooblerdoobler Před 4 lety +261

      Oh yeah me and ol' george go way back. Clever man he was.

    • @pramitvyas3747
      @pramitvyas3747 Před 4 lety +76

      STAHP they way he helped set this system up, it was inevitable

    • @rrteppo
      @rrteppo Před 4 lety +165

      @@josephandersonslaugh4923 agreed but parties are not always terrible just when people only vote for one party no matter what. There are a supprising number of people who only vote one way because that's how they always voted

  • @user-zl1fi8se3h
    @user-zl1fi8se3h Před 3 lety +4304

    2020: “Write that down, write that down....”

  • @Zorbak962
    @Zorbak962 Před 8 lety +10680

    I knew Alaska's representative was a bear with a tie.

    • @tuxedo_productions
      @tuxedo_productions Před 6 lety +214

      What an honest politician...

    • @fenfen730
      @fenfen730 Před 6 lety +230

      I live in Alaska and that is our rep his name is papa bear

    • @AnArchyRulzz
      @AnArchyRulzz Před 6 lety +40

      If you look up the rep for Alaska he kind of looks like a bear

    • @edmind47
      @edmind47 Před 6 lety +5

      Zorbak962 I

    • @CharlesPanigeo
      @CharlesPanigeo Před 5 lety +35

      Honestly we need a new representative. Don Young has been our rep since 1973 for god's sake. Thats 46 years!!! Talk about career politicians am I right.

  • @Naxvarus
    @Naxvarus Před 8 lety +4448

    Everything you said in this video gave me a headache. Not because I didn't understand it, but because I did.

    • @Kilk_AI
      @Kilk_AI Před 7 lety +33

      Ezio133798 lol same

    • @a.arnold1413
      @a.arnold1413 Před 5 lety +68

      That sounds like a good t-shirt

    • @alohadubs7683
      @alohadubs7683 Před 5 lety +50

      Ezio133798
      Basically, to make America, say, communist, win support of the smaller states, tie the Democrats and Republicans, and boom, America is communist.

    • @iliatchaplinski
      @iliatchaplinski Před 4 lety +46

      @@alohadubs7683, not quite. America's president is communist. The president has limited power, and depends on Congress to pass laws. Without Congress' favour, a Communist president would have a hard time doing much communism.

    • @user-ti2rg2mq6z
      @user-ti2rg2mq6z Před 4 lety +2

      ...And vice versa

  • @memestagram4028
    @memestagram4028 Před 3 lety +1119

    It's worth mentioning that if there's a 50-50 tie in the Senate, the VP does break the tie, so if a President is running for re-election and there's an Electoral College tie, the VP can vote for themselves.

    • @happynotredamefan3736
      @happynotredamefan3736 Před 2 lety +40

      Would be interested to see vp vote for self

    • @earthball2024
      @earthball2024 Před rokem +20

      And if There is A president from the different party elected. It would get really weird. Real fast...

    • @edwardmikus7556
      @edwardmikus7556 Před rokem +6

      I wonder why this situation isn’t treated the same as a Presidential impeachment trial, where the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the Senate so that the Bono’s removed from a situation involving Presidential succession.

    • @J.C.3
      @J.C.3 Před rokem +4

      Wait so does the current house vote or the newly voted house that comes in January.

    • @memestagram4028
      @memestagram4028 Před rokem +17

      @@J.C.3 newly voted House

  • @Stormson
    @Stormson Před 3 lety +2497

    so kanye could be president after all...

    • @alexettamarna6810
      @alexettamarna6810 Před 3 lety +24

      Most underrated comment

    • @DaDARKPass
      @DaDARKPass Před 3 lety +58

      No he couldn't. He got in too late to register for most states, leaving him with like 5 states to run in.

    • @py8554
      @py8554 Před 3 lety +45

      @@DaDARKPass I think he meant that theoretically the Congress could vote in Kayne as the president in the case of electoral votes tie.

    • @wurmsrus2
      @wurmsrus2 Před 3 lety +14

      @@py8554 Kanye would need to win at least 1 state or have one of the electoral college members go against their states wishes in order to be in the top 3

    • @melon5111
      @melon5111 Před 3 lety +4

      The small states love him.

  • @someperson2500
    @someperson2500 Před 7 lety +3510

    "Don't worry, there is an 18th century solution to the problem!"
    lol fml this is too true

    • @iustinianconstantinescu5498
      @iustinianconstantinescu5498 Před 5 lety +30

      Some Person The 12th amendment (which dictates this crazy shit) was written in 1804(19th century).

    • @Komrad_Yuri
      @Komrad_Yuri Před 5 lety +4

      @@iustinianconstantinescu5498 4 years

    • @superduperfantastichour5156
      @superduperfantastichour5156 Před 5 lety +8

      My motto is: if it's old, it must be wrong.

    • @superduperfantastichour5156
      @superduperfantastichour5156 Před 5 lety +13

      Ever wonder what happens what the government does when you say things publicly that people dont like? Or what the government can do to you for practicing your own religion? Dont worry, theres an 18th century solution to the problem!

    • @robertjarman3703
      @robertjarman3703 Před 5 lety +5

      MJ Willard It survives by the continued confidence of the population to retain it, and groups who write new constitutions include clauses like freedom of speech and thought in their new documents as well. How many people would have ever come up with this type of method for resolving a tie like this today?

  • @strider7557
    @strider7557 Před 7 lety +1253

    Hey cgp, you forgot one minor detail about the senate part. The senate has a tiebreaker: the Vice President. In the scenario you described, the outgoing Vice President would get to cast the tie breaking vote.

    • @MethosFilms
      @MethosFilms Před 7 lety +37

      Strider755 u are right. the vise president is the president of the usa senate. he or she can break a tie.

    • @KittenWarlock
      @KittenWarlock Před 7 lety +26

      The senate could however fail if two candidates were to tie for second place, and the senate vote continually ends with nobody taking a majority.

    • @strider7557
      @strider7557 Před 7 lety +3

      That's impossible because the Senate picks from the top two.

    • @KittenWarlock
      @KittenWarlock Před 7 lety +5

      Strider755 If two people are tied for second however, they'd have to pick between more than two.

    • @HooDatDonDar
      @HooDatDonDar Před 4 lety +28

      The Senate is guaranteed to get a winner first vote. They only consider the top two, and the veep breaks a tie.
      This is deliberate, so there will be an approved, properly elected person to act as president if the house can not make up its mind.

  • @jcrosenkreuz5213
    @jcrosenkreuz5213 Před 3 lety +2728

    There's about a one-in-fifty chance this video's going to get REALLY relevant in a few months.

  • @thomase5746
    @thomase5746 Před 3 lety +446

    Don't mind me, just placing my premature bet that this video is going to blow up in a few days...

  • @stephh4495
    @stephh4495 Před 8 lety +1480

    "Flip a coin" kinda like they did in Iowa?

    • @slitheen121
      @slitheen121 Před 8 lety +76

      +Stephen H well studies show that flipping a coin is a 51-49 chance in favour of the starting side... so its not quite democratic enough for MURICA

    • @JonHT96
      @JonHT96 Před 8 lety +50

      No, we mean flip a fair coin. (Seriously, six flips, all for Hillary? That's a 1.5625% chance of happening? Bernie may have the one in a billion chance of a bird going to his podium, but that 1/64 Chance Hillary got was more valuable)

    • @republicazi32
      @republicazi32 Před 8 lety +32

      +JonHT96 The laws of probability don't work like that. Each coin flip is a50-50 shot; they don't stack to make it more or less likely to land a certain way up, every flip of the coin is a stand-alone event. You can flip a coin a billion times, all of them somehow landing heads up, but that doesn't affect the laws of probability one iota; flip number billion and one will still have the same exact 50-50 chance as flip number one.
      Also, just because there is a low chance of something happening doesn't mean that it makes that improbable event impossible, it's just improbable. An example would be the odds of a meteor entering a particular part of the Earth's atmosphere at a particular time of day and so on. The likelihood of such an event may be astronomically low once all the factors are calculated, but that won't stop such events happening all the time. It's the way the world is; no conspiracies, just the nature of reality.
      Just a friendly reminder of how mathematics works in the real world (and before you call me a Trump loon, yes I'm a Democrat).

    • @JonHT96
      @JonHT96 Před 8 lety +51

      republicazi32
      Oh, I know it wasn't impossible. I know that wining six flips in a row is possible.
      And while yes, it was 50/50 each time, that still means winning six times consecutively is 1/64. After that first 50/50, the next thing would be 50/50 too. Well, that means winning both would be 1/4 or 25% because you were dividing up the 50% in two again.
      And again. And again. And again. Annndddd again.
      And by the end, the chances of winning all 6 is 1/64, even if each is 50/50.

    • @BloodyRamen
      @BloodyRamen Před 8 lety +3

      +republicazi In fact, you have a 100% of flipping one side. If you had a 50% of flipping both, you could actually flip both at the same time.

  • @Ildskalli
    @Ildskalli Před 7 lety +706

    Don't even mention the coin toss!! Here in Chile, when two candidates for Mayor are tied, the tie is broken with... a coin toss. And most of us never knew because it was so unlikely, that it barely merited mention. Until it happened this past Sunday. And I think I speak for a lot of my fellow countrymen/women when I say that is ridiculous, shameful even.
    So no, please, no coin tosses in a democracy. There's much better ways to break ties.

    • @mowu8459
      @mowu8459 Před 7 lety +41

      give us an example of a better method

    • @Ildskalli
      @Ildskalli Před 7 lety +61

      Well, in the US you could have the Representatives vote directly, they're an odd number after all.
      In our case? Run another election. And if that still doesn't work, have the City Council vote between the two (it'd be a good idea as the Mayor has to work closely with the Council, so it's logical to have the majority support for budgets and projects).

    • @smygskytt1712
      @smygskytt1712 Před 7 lety +72

      Pah. That is just the office of mayor's. Take a look at Sweden between 1973 and '76, there you'll find true lunacy. The parliament at that point had 350 members, and that year the result was split 175 - 175 between the socialists and the liberals. And so every single issue where they couldn't compromise, the issue was decided by drawing lots, thus earning that election the name "the lottery parliament". The liberals won at lottery 40 and the socialists 39 times.

    • @Ildskalli
      @Ildskalli Před 7 lety +15

      Smygskytt #1 Now THAT is crazy. Maybe even crazier is that the split was almost a perfect 50/50... and probably each party got the bills passed that they didn't care so much for, so that both became angry ^_^

    • @smygskytt1712
      @smygskytt1712 Před 7 lety +9

      Ildskalli
      From what I can find, there was very few times when the drawing of lots was actually required. Instead, the governing socialists sought a broad support and compromise across the parliamentary parties.

  • @knightofkyranic2451
    @knightofkyranic2451 Před 4 lety +333

    “Vice President and president can be from two different parties”
    So Like how they used to do it...

    • @revan1202
      @revan1202 Před 4 lety +34

      That's what I was thinking I don't know when they decided not to that anymore but you can tell it was a negative to let the party decide it's own vp it should always be second runner up. Scary as that is now to think about it hillary VP to trump.

    • @Aragon1500
      @Aragon1500 Před 4 lety +13

      The 11th amendment they passed rhe 12th around the same time it was used to cheat Jackson out of the Presidency the first time he ran. Jackson at least felt cheated since he won the popular vote and wanted to abolish the Electoral college but never got around to it.

    • @patrickross1973
      @patrickross1973 Před 3 lety

      @@revan1202 In other countries that do it I am pretty sure it not the runner up for president the VP is different election all together.

  • @KittenisKitten
    @KittenisKitten Před 3 lety +721

    Who is watching this at 2020 on the 4th of November, waiting for the results wondering if this could happen

  • @astrick1768
    @astrick1768 Před 7 lety +2202

    Solution. Make Peuto Rico the 51st state. No more representative ties.

    • @scaper8
      @scaper8 Před 7 lety +164

      I believe that tgey've been offered it several times if I'm not mistaken. They keep refusing; not seat in Congress but less taxes. They feel it's a win.

    • @nick21614
      @nick21614 Před 7 lety +102

      They don't want to be a state when they get the benefits without paying taxes

    • @MegaDrunkViking
      @MegaDrunkViking Před 7 lety +25

      But now they have to either leave the country or become a state, or spend years upon years toiling as slave labor for the owners of their debt.

    • @MegaDrunkViking
      @MegaDrunkViking Před 7 lety +34

      Also, they do pay SOME taxes, just not all of them.

    • @nick21614
      @nick21614 Před 7 lety +7

      Alexander West False, only people in PR that pay federal taxes are people that work for the federal government

  • @holdemdang
    @holdemdang Před 8 lety +375

    Both entertaining and terrifying information.

    • @dsmith9964
      @dsmith9964 Před 8 lety +5

      None of these fanciful scenarios will happen in real life practice. All these are a bunch of cute little math exercises meant to misinform the uneducated. Nothing to get worried about.

    • @NagencaTV
      @NagencaTV Před 8 lety +14

      +D Smith Imagine a popular independent candidate and a close situation between the 2 largest parties. Getting 26 states is the hardest part. But it can be achieved if they are granted special treatment during the presidency. I'd suppose that many of the smaller states (and alaska with just one guy who could receive easy reelections) would vote for this independent candidate because they'd have a huge advantage over the bigger states. A feast for any representative. It's mostly unlikely due to the two-party system. Not because of the needed steps to become president.

    • @Fatortu
      @Fatortu Před 8 lety +3

      +NagencaTV Simply imagine Trump running as third party candidate. Neither the Republican nor the Democrat candidate has the majority. Then the House of representatives would have to decide. Who would win ?

    • @dsmith9964
      @dsmith9964 Před 8 lety +2

      +Fatortu Good question. Right now, we don't know who the Democratic or Republican nominees will be. Assuming that Trump runs as an independent and to the right of the Republican nominee, he could possibly swing a few red states to the Democratic nominee. If Trump runs to the left of the Republican nominee, he could win a couple of red states and maybe a couple of small blue states. If in the unlikely event that Trump could win enough states to cause a contingent election in the House of Representatives, it is likely that the election would go the nominee whose party controls a majority of House delegations but not necessarily the party that holds the House majority.

    • @Fatortu
      @Fatortu Před 8 lety

      D Smith I think the Republican nominee would get elected because the GOP usually control more states and congressmen are unlikely to vote for Trump...

  • @Czarmzy
    @Czarmzy Před 3 lety +91

    Then: Cool trivia but I doubt it will be ever useful
    2020:

  • @olucaszb
    @olucaszb Před 3 lety +105

    And of course CZcams recommends this the day after the 2020 election

    • @Hand-in-Shot_Productions
      @Hand-in-Shot_Productions Před 3 lety +1

      I got this CZcams recommendation on November 11, 2020, just after the 2020 federal election, and early in the electoral turmoil. Thankfully, a candidate got more than 270 electoral votes this year, so this election could have been crazier!

    • @pikamonketchumlol1237
      @pikamonketchumlol1237 Před 3 lety +1

      DONT LIKE ITS AT 69
      *NOICE*

  • @LunaProtege
    @LunaProtege Před 8 lety +794

    Someone needs to write a fan fic where there's ties for president all the way down... And the speaker becomes acting president. Bonus points if it takes them a full term to solve the tie, and the whole time the speaker acting as president does a better job than whichever guy they elect at the end. Extra point if they decide to scrap presidency altogether because of that.

    • @Retterime
      @Retterime Před 8 lety +25

      I'm working on one right now! :D

    • @pikistikman
      @pikistikman Před 8 lety +136

      That wouldn't be a fan fic, that would just be fiction.

    • @soinlove8306
      @soinlove8306 Před 7 lety +29

      Luna it's your idea you should write it :) I would 100% read it. But don't make it 4 years make it like 2-3yrs then the president gets it and fucks everything over ;)

    • @soinlove8306
      @soinlove8306 Před 7 lety +5

      If you really are and post it give us the link!

    • @jesusthroughmary
      @jesusthroughmary Před 7 lety +27

      There are two difficulties with this concept.
      1. The Senate would simultaneously be voting for vice president, and if a VP is elected then he would immediately replace the Speaker as Acting President. Not sure if the sitting VP would break a tie in the Senate.
      2. The House isn't allowed to conduct any other business until they elect a President. So they literally couldn't introduce any legislation at all, in which case the Acting President wouldn't exactly be able to made to look good.

  • @blueberryboi9426
    @blueberryboi9426 Před 9 lety +1384

    Is it too much work to allow the people to vote directly for the president?

    • @dsmith9964
      @dsmith9964 Před 9 lety +423

      In order for the people to vote directly for President, the electoral college must be abolished. In order for the electoral college to be abolished, there must be a Constitutional Amendment. In order to pass a Constitutional Amendment, a proposed Amendment must pass 2/3 vote of the House of Representatives AND pass a 2/3 vote in the Senate AND pass a majority vote in 3/4 of the state legislatures. Getting a Constitutional Amendment passed is a lot of work. Voting directly for President likely will never happen.

    • @blueberryboi9426
      @blueberryboi9426 Před 9 lety +254

      Is it too much work to instate a more functional government-wait, never mind.....

    • @dsmith9964
      @dsmith9964 Před 9 lety +174

      Is it too much work to pick a book or Google subjects such as federalism or the US Constitution? Apparently for some people it is. The Constitutional Amendment process deliberately made it difficult to change the Constitution. The Constitution is not and was never designed to represent the will of the majority of the people. The Constitution is the Rule of Law meant to protect the natural rights of everyone.

    • @julian1000
      @julian1000 Před 9 lety +76

      Jude Pelaez That would be a bad idea. The democrat candidate would never lose which would be bad because then we'd have essentially a one-party system which might as well be a fancy dictatorship. Pure popularity voting is a pretty bad idea overall because it doesn't accurately represent the different cultures and opinions within a voting system, it just lets the popular guy stay popular forever and never have any competition which is quite not good.

    • @sevret313
      @sevret313 Před 9 lety +96

      julian1000
      1. US has a term limit.
      2. The person who get most votes in the electoral has most often the most popular votes too.
      3. Election is a popularity contest, direct voting wouldn't change it.
      4. Both system are bad.
      Uni-chamber Parliamentarianism is the way to go. Remove the senate and let the Congress elected the president/prime-minister. Which is how it is done in most European countries. There is no point of having a president that doesn't have support in Congress. And having a senate would just cause grid-lock and not an effective government.

  • @colorado841
    @colorado841 Před 3 lety +203

    Also note: If the speaker of the house refuses to be president, the two original candidates just play a game of paper scissors rock.

    • @wolfganggluck6199
      @wolfganggluck6199 Před 3 lety +45

      best of 3, as it's written in the constitution

    • @BoibbleicecubebfdiMrexist
      @BoibbleicecubebfdiMrexist Před 3 lety +29

      @@wolfganggluck6199 it’s called rock paper scissors, though.

    • @johanrunfeldt7174
      @johanrunfeldt7174 Před 2 lety

      How F-ed up does the United States have to be, for anybody to refuse to be President when offered the position?

    • @digilici951
      @digilici951 Před 2 lety +3

      it’s rock-paper-scissors in america

    • @aryanbhuta3382
      @aryanbhuta3382 Před 2 lety +7

      Actually, the office would go to the next in line, the Senate's President Pro Tempore. After that, it goes to the Secretary of State, and so on. There's a list of 17 people in line to the presidency.

  • @Wildbarley
    @Wildbarley Před 3 lety +26

    2020 says hello, and thanks you for this video. Because in under 60 days we’ll be living it.

  • @Rouverius
    @Rouverius Před 7 lety +654

    Anyone else for replacing the whole thing for a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors?

    • @thegardenofeatin5965
      @thegardenofeatin5965 Před 7 lety +42

      Or, a simple popular vote?

    • @Rouverius
      @Rouverius Před 7 lety +76

      The Garden of Eatin I was going to suggest a pumpkin chunkin contest but your idea just might be crazy enough to work too.

    • @gregwessendorf
      @gregwessendorf Před 7 lety +60

      Whoa there... this is the internet. You won't last long here with your "rational, reasonable thinking" nonsense.

    • @mymanpaddymcnair1950
      @mymanpaddymcnair1950 Před 7 lety +16

      Penalty shoot-out.

    • @chado3000
      @chado3000 Před 7 lety +10

      Rouverius i would prefer turning all candidates lose on an island, and make it a presidency of the survivor. But then the Democrats would find a way to rig that too.

  • @zachogilman7397
    @zachogilman7397 Před 6 lety +58

    0:28 Top-left of image, front row of the representative area. The creeper.

  • @oliverqueen5883
    @oliverqueen5883 Před 3 lety +30

    I see this video trends every four years. I wonder why? 😋

  • @josephjackson1956
    @josephjackson1956 Před 4 lety +42

    Grey, you must *REALLY* despise the electoral college

    • @rogen8094
      @rogen8094 Před 4 lety +15

      Grey is a fairly vocal opponent of the electoral college.

    • @masicbemester
      @masicbemester Před 3 lety +15

      Popular vote should be the only valid vote
      Change my mind

    • @amnesiaclover2001
      @amnesiaclover2001 Před 3 lety +7

      @@masicbemester Agreed. The electoral college system is semi-democratic unlike popular vote systems which are fully democratic.

    • @atomicblitz7706
      @atomicblitz7706 Před 3 lety +13

      @@masicbemester Cities and heavy populated states would decide everything. All a politician would have to do is win over the population of New York and Cali because it's shown that people In the same general area have similar thoughts and values. With the electoral college every state is important and helps prevent basically two states from ruling over the others.

    • @atomicblitz7706
      @atomicblitz7706 Před 3 lety +4

      Also you got to consider the size of each state. An American state is more comparable to an entire European country in size and population. Each state having its own culture,laws, and values.

  • @MateusSFigueiredo
    @MateusSFigueiredo Před 7 lety +272

    And I thought House of Cards was weird. Reality is worse.

    • @garysanders6091
      @garysanders6091 Před 7 lety +13

      Popular to be a cynic now a days.

    • @Dirtfire
      @Dirtfire Před 7 lety +1

      I hope you're being sarcastic.

    • @Matheuxp
      @Matheuxp Před 7 lety +27

      Did you check out the last season? One of the screenwriters was definitely inspired by this video.

    • @whoami30204
      @whoami30204 Před 4 lety +1

      It's worse when the actor is a rapist.

    • @pasdpasse439
      @pasdpasse439 Před 4 lety

      @@whoami30204 The accusation was dropped, so stop acting stupid

  • @bishop2985
    @bishop2985 Před 5 lety +70

    That one Representative that is sick that day 😂

    • @haruhifujioka5952
      @haruhifujioka5952 Před 4 lety +5

      HOUSE: WHY DID WE GET A TIE AGAIN!
      IDAHO: DONT WORRY WYOMING IS SICK!

    • @kets4443
      @kets4443 Před 2 lety

      Just convince them to come, it's how caesar was assassinated

  • @beanburrito4405
    @beanburrito4405 Před 3 lety +16

    Seems like everyone comes to rewatch this every four years, lol

  • @jeredgarcia6227
    @jeredgarcia6227 Před 3 lety +20

    goddamnit algorithm perfect timing

  • @TheRealBeardyPenguin
    @TheRealBeardyPenguin Před 8 lety +1621

    how is America even a country?

    • @javige03
      @javige03 Před 8 lety +148

      You must be dumb

    • @finleycastello6512
      @finleycastello6512 Před 8 lety +25

      I have no idea

    • @somecrazdude2412
      @somecrazdude2412 Před 8 lety +316

      Basically in 1776, British colonists in the 13 North American colonies wrote the Declaration of Independence, where they basically said "Fuck you Britain, I'm on my own, fuck off". Then the colonists fought the British off the colonies until they just left the US alone.

    • @astavie2920
      @astavie2920 Před 8 lety +77

      +ArgumentNotValidRBLX America is a continent, he is not dumb, he is right

    • @javige03
      @javige03 Před 8 lety +16

      +- TheRActivator - He said country

  • @mikefung3000
    @mikefung3000 Před 8 lety +147

    Freaky prophet you CGP. They actually flipped a coin to decide the winner of a caucus.

    • @ijirving
      @ijirving Před 8 lety +13

      +mf4361 A prophet predicts things, not describe something that could theoretically happen. Im sure he didnt throw in the coin comment by coincidence.

    • @nmarbletoe8210
      @nmarbletoe8210 Před 7 lety +5

      some the olde time prophets were often dudes that warned people and governments to repent, behave, and get it together. kinda like Bernie actually often real pains in the ass. Now the oracles, they predicted the future. Or else they said what the king wanted, even better.

    • @MissKapanadze
      @MissKapanadze Před 7 lety +4

      Prophets don't actually predict things. A prophet is a person who delivers a message from God. That message doesn't have to be about the future. I think you're thinking of a fortune teller or a psychic :)

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 4 lety +3

      Caucuses are such a stupid way to cast votes. Everyone has to stand around in a school gymnasium for hours, listen to speeches, and publicly admit their vote. Other than retired people who have nothing else to do, who has time for that? And why would anyone mandatory publicity to their vote?

  • @Flugzeugdreger
    @Flugzeugdreger Před 2 lety +74

    Am I the only one who kept screaming "just choose whoever won the popular vote, eggheads!" All through to the end?

  • @jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj5141

    Who else is here during the election trying to see how this might play out?

  • @matthew-3437
    @matthew-3437 Před 10 lety +137

    A 3 sided coin of course

    • @Chief4Army117
      @Chief4Army117 Před 10 lety +2

      Well put my friend!
      Also, you get a brohoof. /)

    • @GideonGleeful95
      @GideonGleeful95 Před 10 lety +28

      Or a 12 sided dice. That could work. Or, just get them to play Civ V and see who wins.

    • @KaiserBob99
      @KaiserBob99 Před 8 lety +11

      +Matthew Chapin Heads- Dem
      Tails- Rep
      Edge of the coin- 3rd party

    • @artisanmage5378
      @artisanmage5378 Před 6 lety

      so.... a dice?

    • @madisongreen7975
      @madisongreen7975 Před 5 lety

      Roll a d20

  • @coglineerro730
    @coglineerro730 Před 8 lety +175

    Why is there not a show where the senate picks a staunch republican vp and the house picks a staunch democrat pres?

    • @theprimalfuckhead526
      @theprimalfuckhead526 Před 8 lety +13

      Because all democrats are pussies, except Sanders but he's a socialist

    • @baconspaceman4094
      @baconspaceman4094 Před 8 lety +9

      +Kenpachi Zaraki How does that matter? That's a good thing!

    • @baconspaceman4094
      @baconspaceman4094 Před 8 lety

      ***** why not?

    • @coglineerro730
      @coglineerro730 Před 8 lety +29

      ***** Socialism as an economic system has the same progression through classes as capitalism. However, profits are shared equally rather then just to the top executives. The easiest way to think about it is that the board of directors is made up of every employee in the company. Equal say. Democracy in the workplace. Wanna outsource a department? Everyone votes on it. Want to save a buck by using dangerous chemicals? Everyone gets a vote.

    • @baconspaceman4094
      @baconspaceman4094 Před 8 lety

      ***** alright

  • @SlyRoapa
    @SlyRoapa Před 3 lety +17

    I know exactly why this landed in my recommended.

  • @averagejoe6031
    @averagejoe6031 Před 3 lety +11

    “Each representative doesn’t get one vote, each STATE gets one vote”
    Everyone: COME ON NOT AGAIN

  • @Zorc620
    @Zorc620 Před 10 lety +32

    The Senate wouldn't tie, though. The current Vice President breaks any tied vote in the Senate, and I'm sure that would apply here, too.

    • @handlesarecringe957
      @handlesarecringe957 Před 5 lety +2

      Unless there are three or more candidates

    • @Connor-ts1xv
      @Connor-ts1xv Před 4 lety +6

      Nathan only the top two candidates for VP would be up for vote to prevent a tie. But that doesn’t mean a Senator won’t abstain, causing the Senate to be deadlocked.

  • @CheQuinnvaraRules
    @CheQuinnvaraRules Před 10 lety +35

    Just get a multi-party system with proportional representation, works for Germany, and gives a broader choice and gives a chance for more compromise and alliances of different ideologies.

    • @thomasconrow5980
      @thomasconrow5980 Před 4 lety +8

      They do not elect the head of the government by popular vote.

    • @firstname105
      @firstname105 Před 3 lety +2

      This kind of system has a high chance of ending up with a hung parliament and nothing ever gets done other than petty squabbling

    • @ameykulkarni7491
      @ameykulkarni7491 Před rokem +1

      Ah yeah Germany with it's famously decisive, easily ruling, and not-hung parliament?

  • @dasamont8274
    @dasamont8274 Před 3 lety +14

    Uh-oh, this is gonna be interesting today

  • @boombox1738
    @boombox1738 Před 2 lety +3

    “If there’s a tie there’s a simple solution,”
    *loads M4A1 with malicious intent*
    “A 18th century solution.”
    *loads blunderbuss with malicious intent*

  • @fett716
    @fett716 Před 8 lety +80

    anyone else notice the minecraft character at 2:41 with the suit and creeper head?

    • @TheKYLEdavid
      @TheKYLEdavid Před 7 lety +37

      He used to put a creeper in all of his videos as a joke

    • @zachogilman7397
      @zachogilman7397 Před 6 lety +8

      Did you see the one at 0:28 though? Note: He only puts it in videos where he has images of a big seating, like the house or United Nations.

    • @someedgysnipermain5318
      @someedgysnipermain5318 Před 6 lety +3

      Zacho Gilman or videos with images of distant castles

    • @siegelink9549
      @siegelink9549 Před 4 lety +1

      WOW, nice observation.

  • @owlboy_9995
    @owlboy_9995 Před 5 lety +8

    @2:30 "Which might make for some very uncomfortable meetings..."
    ...or the BEST sitcom.

  • @figboot
    @figboot Před 2 lety +2

    2:39 uh oh, watch out! There's a well-dressed minecraft creeper in the house of representatives!

  • @dinonuggiesguy4847
    @dinonuggiesguy4847 Před 3 lety +5

    Bro why won't the presidents just do a rock paper scissors, its much easier and fair.

  • @JesusHComedy
    @JesusHComedy Před 7 lety +75

    I didn't know Alaska's representative was a bear in a suit. lol

    • @SBroproductions
      @SBroproductions Před 7 lety +21

      Ya it's really awkward during meetings.

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 4 lety

      It's actually a man named Don Young, who has had the position since 1973. Alaska is a district where he polls with large margins, and has an extremely safe seat.

  • @creak22
    @creak22 Před 7 lety +20

    Good to know the creators of House of Cards are CGP Grey fans too

  • @sonuji14
    @sonuji14 Před 3 lety +8

    This video is going to be very relevant for the election tomorrow.

  • @dennisdegennaro7459
    @dennisdegennaro7459 Před 2 lety +4

    0:47 I just realized florida looks like a gun

  • @Michaelonyoutub
    @Michaelonyoutub Před 8 lety +12

    Don't joke about the coin flip man. I'm from Prince Edward Island, Canada and our province had an election earlier this year and when one district ended up having a tie the candidates ended up deciding the winner by coin flip. What makes this situation more messed up is the fact that because Canada isn't a two party system there were many who voted for other parties and in the first past the post system there votes don't count when it comes to breaking a tie. That is the reason I really hope our new government in Canada changes from being a FPTP system to some other better system.

  • @mwlin1
    @mwlin1 Před 9 lety +31

    Veep's season 4 finale sent me here!

  • @rizzy_ray
    @rizzy_ray Před 3 lety +15

    This coming to a reality in 2020...

  • @Electoral-kh5vj
    @Electoral-kh5vj Před 3 lety +6

    This would definitely be a classic 2020 move

  • @pauljmorton
    @pauljmorton Před 7 lety +175

    Wait what? Does this all mean that even the final popular vote is just advisory? Wtf USA?

    • @jalenm6920
      @jalenm6920 Před 7 lety +13

      Yes. That's exactly what it means. It's stupid I know

    • @jesusthroughmary
      @jesusthroughmary Před 7 lety

      Where do you live?

    • @pauljmorton
      @pauljmorton Před 7 lety +25

      jesusthroughmary Finland. I've been trying to understand the whole US presidential election process for the past few months.

    • @truboo4268
      @truboo4268 Před 7 lety +41

      It's even worse, because only 26 of the states requires their electors to vote as the people want. The other 24 can basically flip off their citizens and cast a vote for who THEY want, not who the PEOPLE want.

    • @taoliu3949
      @taoliu3949 Před 7 lety +32

      The popular elections are in reality state elections to elect the state's electors to the electoral college. The US as a federation puts real sovereignty in the states, not the people. To be very technical about it, it is the states who decides how their electors are selected. They just happen to all have them decided by popular vote.

  • @LSpiro
    @LSpiro Před 8 lety +82

    When it’s a tie, just have Bush’s cousin prematurely and erroneously call the election.

    • @hgod7501
      @hgod7501 Před 8 lety

      lol

    • @GreyWolfLeaderTW
      @GreyWolfLeaderTW Před 8 lety +9

      Except that he didn't.
      All he did was stop a recount that had gone 8 times already in Bush's favor.

    • @Aragon1500
      @Aragon1500 Před 4 lety +8

      The margin got more narrow each time the votes where counted they ran out of time to recount anyways. maybe gore actually won Florida but unfortunately we will never know now.

  • @SeverusSinSnape14
    @SeverusSinSnape14 Před 3 lety +40

    Correction: “Tho it might be faster, and more fair to just directly elect the President using a ranked ballot” no coin flip required.

  • @JohnRaymondPeterson
    @JohnRaymondPeterson Před 4 lety

    I'm for that crazy idea you mention at the end. Some people may have been too busy cursing when you brought it up, so... I'll be posting this CZcams on social media with an introduction advising all to pay particular attention to the the last 12 seconds. Thank you for the clip and let's hope everyone uses their vote in 2020.

    • @docxy7331
      @docxy7331 Před 4 lety +1

      "Thats a bad idea" -the people who started the country

  • @FewVidsJustComments
    @FewVidsJustComments Před 5 lety +31

    ssb fans: "how to resolve tie?"
    *SUDDEN DEATH! GO!*

    • @alpheusmadsen8485
      @alpheusmadsen8485 Před 3 lety +1

      Just the other day I learned about a story where the next King is chosen by throwing the head of the last king out into the crowd -- the person who caught the head was the next King.
      The term of the king was limited to 1 year.

    • @lememz
      @lememz Před 2 lety +1

      ​@@alpheusmadsen8485 so you are king for 1 year and then gets beheaded? Does that story by any chance is in france??

  • @metropod
    @metropod Před 7 lety +64

    The thing about the electoral college and this system of voting is that the United States Federal Government is exactly that, the government of a federation of states. Legally speaking, the people have no constitutional right to vote for president, the states do and at first, they exercised that right. The first election where all electoral votes were granted by popular vote was 1864, and that was only because South Carolina, the last state to refuse to use popular votes, obviously wasn't participating. In my home of New York, the state legislature selected the electors up to and including 1824.

    • @Aragon1500
      @Aragon1500 Před 4 lety +4

      James Madison is the closest thing to a final authority we can get on the constitution since he wrote the thing. Each law and amendment should be examined by the rhetoric used to pass it. If we alterted such meanings then redraft a law that suits our modern needs.

    • @robertjarman3703
      @robertjarman3703 Před 3 lety +10

      The 24th amendment of all things suggests that's not very true.
      The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President... ... shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

    • @GoSlash27
      @GoSlash27 Před rokem

      @Aditya Chavarkar This would be equivalent to the EU members electing the EU parliament by popular vote instead of each country having equal say. The entire continent's policies would be dictated by a couple countries and all the policies would benefit only those countries at the expense of the rest. The end result would be 1) The entire continent would suffer 2) The sovereignty of all of the the member States would be obviated and 3) the EU would collapse into war.

    • @disfordumboo4411
      @disfordumboo4411 Před rokem +4

      @@GoSlash27 seats in the EU parliament are already distributed based on the population of each member state

    • @FrostyShadowYT
      @FrostyShadowYT Před rokem +3

      @@GoSlash27 well in EU it works a bit different because formally EU has three different acting presidents (president of European council, president of European commission and president of European Parliament) each one is chosen in a different way. President of European Parliament is chosen from Members of the European Parliament (and those members are elected by all adult citizens of the EU), president of European Council is elected by heads of state of each member country and president of European Commission is chosen by the European Commission and then elected by European Parliament.

  • @capnstewy55
    @capnstewy55 Před 2 lety +7

    I love how flipping a coin is fairer

  • @Gabowsk
    @Gabowsk Před 3 lety +28

    Nevada, Georgia and Pennsylvania: WE'RE THE SAVIOURS OF THE LAND

  • @chairmanofrussia
    @chairmanofrussia Před 8 lety +12

    Lol i like how alaska was represented by a bear with a tie :p

  • @OceanBagel
    @OceanBagel Před 7 lety +10

    I know this is an old video, but you didn't include one potentially crucial detail. The House can only choose among the top three Presidential candidates, and the Senate can only choose among the top two Vice Presidential candidates. This means that a third party Vice President has no chance at winning even in your worst-case scenario of a House-elected third party President.

  • @eomoran
    @eomoran Před 3 lety +7

    The electoral college works as intended. It isn't supposed to represent the majority but to give minorities a voice

    • @aresgood1
      @aresgood1 Před 3 lety

      go back to the year '12. 1812.

    • @Xsomono
      @Xsomono Před 3 lety

      A System that potentially gives 17% Of the people (Or even less because of winner takes it all) the power to decide for the remaining 83% is broken. No matter giving minorities a voice. And also nvm the fact that state minorities get their voice heard but demographic minorities get theirs stifled.

    • @eomoran
      @eomoran Před 3 lety +1

      @@Xsomono because the identity which matters is surely are you American and are you from State X. The constitution wasn't going to protect on identity politics grounds because why the fuck would it. Everyone in America at the time had all originated from different countries so carving out protections for ones past ethnic identities was pointless. You came to America you were American.

    • @eomoran
      @eomoran Před 3 lety +1

      @@Xsomono it's not broken if this is how it was designed to be. Which it was.

    • @Xsomono
      @Xsomono Před 3 lety

      @@eomoran Yes, back then, but not today, as if states mattered more to people than their their social environment. Telling Hispanics, black people and other marginalized groups to get rid of their identity politics today is ridiculous. Identity is crucial to defend the interests of minorities, especially since they're marginalized. Those circumstances didn't exist when the Union was born. After all it's harder to have a social gradient if most people are all equally without resources and coming to america to start a new life.
      Yes, the reason it was designed that way was because the individual states totally incohesive and didn't see them selves as one nation, so they would have never admitted to a compromise which would have had them give up so much power. They were expecting to get fucked over by the bigger states. But that is totally different today. The United states aren't united states anymore. It's a single country where bigger states can't just dominate the smaller ones because in the minds of Americans today, they aren't just screwing another state, their screwing their fellow country men. That mindset didn't exist 250 years ago.
      Besides, the primary purpose of disproportional votes was to make sure their interests would be recognized by the larger states. But the electoral college and this voting in the house as well does not accomplish that. We've seen time and time again that presidential candidates focus on battleground states, not small states.
      It's broken, because despite working as intended it's not at all up to modern standards as far as democracy goes. Back then it made sense to protects states because they needed protection, today they don't and today it's more important to actually represent the will of the people, for which the US provide so many systems to subvert.

  • @trickmint
    @trickmint Před 3 lety +10

    who else is being recommended this right now

  • @MystyrNile
    @MystyrNile Před 10 lety +19

    We have computers and internet. We can formulate a simple algorithm and a website, thereby replacing the electoral college.

    • @MystyrNile
      @MystyrNile Před 10 lety +1

      ***** Okay.

    • @dandyky
      @dandyky Před 10 lety +7

      ...replaced with what? We still have the EC because no one has conceived a better plan to elect the POTUS. Dont say national popular vote. NPV has been shot down numerous times and is obviously a bad idea.

    • @MystyrNile
      @MystyrNile Před 10 lety +3

      dandyky What makes it a bad idea?

    • @0011peace
      @0011peace Před 10 lety +11

      Problem is like the speaker said electoral college favors the small states.
      And, to change the electoral college requires 3/4 of congress and 2/3 of the states. So the smaller states have vested interest in keeping the EC.
      This means it won't be changed.

    • @dsmith9964
      @dsmith9964 Před 10 lety +1

      +0011peace +1

  • @PiratecodyPC
    @PiratecodyPC Před 9 lety +296

    I wish they'd just get rid of the electoral college. We don't need it now that we have the technology to count individual votes.

    • @dsmith9964
      @dsmith9964 Před 8 lety +5

      Who is we?

    • @PiratecodyPC
      @PiratecodyPC Před 8 lety +32

      America

    • @dsmith9964
      @dsmith9964 Před 8 lety +21

      The Pirate Cody You mean those Americans that don't understand that the US is and has always been a federal republic comprised of states? The states are free to pass their own laws within the guidelines of the Constitution. That includes electing the President.

    • @PiratecodyPC
      @PiratecodyPC Před 8 lety +46

      The states do not control how the president is elected, that is established in the constitution.

    • @dsmith9964
      @dsmith9964 Před 8 lety +6

      The Pirate Cody ....and the Constitution specifies that the office of the President is to be elected by the states. I don't know where you got your (mis)information.

  • @skyryou
    @skyryou Před 3 lety +4

    great timing youtube

  • @py8554
    @py8554 Před 3 lety +3

    This video from 8 years ago now suddenly gains a lot of traction in 2020.....

  • @americacentral962
    @americacentral962 Před 5 lety +7

    0:36 Left top corner there is a creeper head on a house member.

  • @tanyabhaskar2888
    @tanyabhaskar2888 Před 7 lety +15

    Australia's voting system is so much easier???

  • @jr-bw1lt
    @jr-bw1lt Před 3 lety +9

    I think it should be settled with a boxing game
    Dead one loses

    • @alex2005z
      @alex2005z Před 2 lety

      I think dead one wins is better

  • @bjdon99
    @bjdon99 Před 3 lety +42

    I think the biggest concern if it was 269-269 to start would be that one of the electors wouldn't vote for the person they were pledged to support in the actual December EC meeting. That person would probably need lifetime police protection.
    Then imagine what the stock market would be doing if the election was thrown to the House?

    • @joeedwards4340
      @joeedwards4340 Před rokem +6

      *democracy is paralysed*
      @bjdon99: bUt wHat DoEs ThIs MeAn FoR WaLL sTrEeT??? THaT's tHe BiGgEst ConCeRn

  • @sylentlight6771
    @sylentlight6771 Před 8 lety +48

    I.... I for some reason REALLY want there to be a complete tie, in every way possible. THIS is the only way I see us waking up and realizing that the whole Electoral College idea is well.... Nuts.

  • @ShreyPandya150
    @ShreyPandya150 Před 6 lety +4

    After watching this video I saw this playing out in House of Cards and it was just amazing

  • @dominoot2652
    @dominoot2652 Před 3 lety +25

    Well this is going to get some views today...

  • @ItsDefeat
    @ItsDefeat Před 3 lety +2

    yt's recommending me all election related CGP Grey videos rn

  • @dumbasswatermelon
    @dumbasswatermelon Před 3 lety +5

    Of course CZcams recommends this video to us

  • @gemini88miller
    @gemini88miller Před 3 lety +3

    well lads, 2020 time.

  • @seanthebluesheep
    @seanthebluesheep Před 3 lety +4

    Getting this in my recommended feed now. Clearly everyone is feeling super cool and chill about the peaceful transfer of power and nobody trying to interfere with the election

  • @mongoloidkongloid5489
    @mongoloidkongloid5489 Před 2 lety +4

    If it’s tied, both parties should do rock paper scissors

  • @anthonyhargis6855
    @anthonyhargis6855 Před 8 lety +11

    Freaky! And absolutely nuts! LOL

  • @MC-ij7yw
    @MC-ij7yw Před 3 lety +3

    This channel: “A tie is unlikely”
    2020: “ hold my beer”

  • @commandoslayer
    @commandoslayer Před 3 lety +17

    Why not let the popular vote decide in case of a tie?

    • @throatychunk
      @throatychunk Před 3 lety +2

      but what if everyone somehow splits in to a tie

    • @commandoslayer
      @commandoslayer Před 3 lety +4

      @@throatychunk There is a far higher probability of a meteorite crashing into the Earth and destroying all life than that to happen.

    • @Minion-my4xz
      @Minion-my4xz Před 3 lety +2

      Because this isn't an exclusive scenario for a tie, but rather if no candidate receives a majority

  • @thatitalianguy3278
    @thatitalianguy3278 Před 5 lety +8

    Anyone watching in 2019 and seeing there’s over 20 candidates

    • @db9944
      @db9944 Před 4 lety +2

      From a party that laughed at a 16 candidate field in 2016

    • @cezarcatalin1406
      @cezarcatalin1406 Před 3 lety +4

      D B
      And now they want to run an Alzheimers patient that seemingly won despite no one being excited to vote for him against another dementia patient that is currently the president... yaaay

  • @theodawson9465
    @theodawson9465 Před 7 lety +4

    Or, ya know, just a really intense game of Rock Paper Scissors...

  • @rino5984
    @rino5984 Před 3 lety +1

    What a perfect time for this to appear in my recommended

  • @NonisLuck
    @NonisLuck Před 4 lety +1

    This feels like glitch hunting, and explaining how to do such glitch.

  • @foxfyre1732
    @foxfyre1732 Před 3 lety +3

    So we really gonna use every possible way to decide except the popular vote huh

  • @angieliang8475
    @angieliang8475 Před 3 lety +3

    “What happens when the race for president is tied?”
    Me: We sing the song “Election of 1812” from Hamilton
    IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE
    And then you carry out the solution to break the tie

  • @ToxicTurquoise454
    @ToxicTurquoise454 Před 2 lety +2

    The bear in a tie has died.

  • @finlayhumberstone8137
    @finlayhumberstone8137 Před 3 lety +5

    America is wild, "our democracy makes us great" incredible

  • @jackjackson7343
    @jackjackson7343 Před 3 lety +4

    Still sorta pissed about the election of 1824 tbh ngl fr fr

  • @AbsurdExistentialist
    @AbsurdExistentialist Před 3 lety +5

    Watching this November 4th, 2020

  • @LukeRDavis
    @LukeRDavis Před 4 lety +1

    I liked the preferential voting and popular vote at the end. Preferential voting is needed yesterday!

  • @Krewnn
    @Krewnn Před 2 lety +1

    i love how so much of this channel is just "ok but what about this one in a million exception to all the rules"

  • @joshk5734
    @joshk5734 Před 3 lety +3

    Who is watching this on election night 2020