I want to congratulate you on being the only reactor to connect minas morgul to Gondor immediately very well done it's a pleasure to see someone pay attention
Yes, Minas Morgul was once a city built and ruled by men, called Minas Ithil. A few battles took place there, and by the Third Age of LotR, it has been conquered and corrupted by forces of Sauron, the Witch King and the Nazgul, and renamed Minas Morgul.
@@NorokVokun minas Morgol was Minas Ithil (tower of the Moon) until taken over by Sauron. It protected the area of Ithilian, which was still nominally Gondorian territory, but mostly an outpost until after the War of the Ring when Aragorn gave it to Prince Faramir and his bride ( avoiding spoilers, just in case)
I know; this guy's so observant! He's picking up on so much stuff I would've never noticed my first time. I wouldn't have looked at Minas Morgul and gone "holy shit, that looks like Minas Tirith, they must be related" (then again, I was like five when these movies started to come out; I couldn't even tell Aragorn and Boromir apart).
@Paulo Jorge Cruz Pereira Rodrigues Melo e Almeida actually, I'm pretty sure the "light of the eldar" is the thing that makes elves immortal, and when she chose to stay, She tied her fate to middle earth and men. Also, elrond, and therefore Arwen, is half elf and half human, so she can choose between the two. So that light left her, meaning she did give up her immortality. She will still live way long, but not be immortal. Like all other elves. It only happens with half-elves. Regular elves would "fade" over time.
Backstory on a few points: In the battles with Morgoth (literally the Devil, worse than Sauron by far) in the First Age, one person, Earendil, because he was part human, part elf, part Maia (angel), and descended from all the various houses of elves, was able to represent all of those groups in a petition before the Valar (the high council of angels in the far west). The Valar descended upon Middle Earth and exiled Morgoth beyond the world. Part of the cost to Earendil was that he could never set foot on Middle Earth again, and so he sails in his flying ship above the world with one of the Silmarili (one of the great shining jewels that were fought over in the battle with Morgoth) as the morning and evening star. The vial of light that Galadriel gave Frodo is the light of that Silmaril. The two sons of Earendil, Elros and Elrond (yes, that Elrond) were given a choice by the Valar, given that they were part-human and part-elf, as to whether they would live and die as humans or be immortal as elves. Elrond choose the life of the elves, but each of his children (Arwen being one of them) must also choose between immortality and mortality. Arwen, out of love for Aragorn, made the choice here for mortality. Elros chose a human life, and became the first king of the Numenoreans, who the people of Gondor are descended from. Aragorn's role as king is in part as heir of Elros. The Valar gave the Numenoreans seven powerful stones by which they could communicate with one another over long distances (incidentally made by Feanor, the elvish craftsman who had made the Silmarili). When Numenor was destroyed, the seven stones were brought to Middle Earth and set up in several places. One in Isengard, one in Minas Tirith, one at Minas Morgul. The Morgul stone is owned by Sauron, who has projected his influence through it to corrupt Saruman and bring Denethor to despair (looking in the Minas Tirith stone). The Wizards are Maiar (angels) who were sent to Middle Earth by the Valar to help stop Sauron. "Gandalf", meaning "wand elf" is his name among dwarves, men, and Hobbits, "Mithrandir", meaning "grey wanderer", is his name among the elves, "Olorin" is his true name among the other Maiar. Saruman was known as "Curunir" among the elves and "Curumo" among the Maiar. Sauron before his fall was one of the Maiar, as were the Balrogs.
Very well said. The story of Numenor is my favorite within Tolkien's Legendarium. Aside from Elros Tar-Minyatur my favorite kings of Numenor are Tar-Amandil, Tar-Elendil, Tar-Aldarion, and Tar-Palantir.
I was in the midst of a long, long depression when I first saw this movie. The scene of Gandalf riding out to save Faramir and his men, the way the light shone from his staff and the music swelled, driving off the darkness--that part to this day moves me to tears. It was the literal visual representation to me of life and hope triumphing, even for a moment, over the darkness. And it helped me.
So all I have to do is run into a bunch of pigeons and Shine my Flashlight while my friend runs behind with my laptop playing this music lol. It was an awesome scene.
Sir Christopher Lee (Saruman) actually is a war hero from second world war. When it came to filming his death scene, he was unsatisfied by what reaction Peter Jackson wanted him to show. He then taught him, how a man actually looked like when being stabbed in the back (he had seen people being stabbed himself). So this scene is gruesomely realistic. Knowing this greatly adds to the scene...
He know's because he stabbed someone in the back as a secret agent of the British in ww2. The man was an incredible wealth of stories and experiences, RIP.
I cry every time when Pippin and Merry have to separate! 😭 They’re cousins and bffs and they have literally never been apart in their lives before this! And then they don’t even know if they’re gonna see each other again!
It's honestly refreshing how many things you're picking up from the film. Things that go right over other peoples' heads when they see it for the first time. Yes, Arwen is mortal now. She made the decision to be. Arwen is technically half-elven, though you never learn that in the films. TLDR, in this world half-elves can choose to be either mortal or immortal. Since they are caught between worlds, they can choose to inherit the legacy of their mortal or immortal blood. And Arwen chose her mortal half. Iirc, when Elrond says her life is tied to the fate of the ring, he was speaking metaphorically. Because her fate is tied to the fate of mortals, and the world of mortals is now threatened by the ring. And that tower the Witch King comes out of? Minas Morgul? You're right, it did once belong to the kingdom of Gondor long ago. It was known as Minas Ithil. But it fell to the Witch King and his sorcery, and became his stronghold in Angmar. Gandalf has had many names over the centuries. Mithrandir is what the elves and men of the West often call him. It means "Grey Rider" in elvish. Gandalf is his most recent name, so many refer to him as such. But neither are his original name. That you'll have to learn in the books. There's a wealth of backstory to everything you see in these films. I can't wait for you to learn it all.
Minas Ithil didn't become the Witch-King's stronghold in Angmar, but in Mordor...or, more appropriately, in Ithilien. Angmar was the land he ruled in the north of Middle-Earth, where he worked long and hard to overthrow Arnor and its remnants afte Isildur died. He ruled Angmar from the city of Carn Dum.
10:47 "I feel like they kind of worship stars in this world." You're actually pretty spot on. When the elves first woke up, the first thing that they saw was the stars, so the Vala that they honor most is Varda, or Elbereth by the elves, who kindled the stars.
the sun and moon didnt yet exist in the world when the elves awoke. The stars was all the light they had before they went to the west and saw the trees of light
Minas Morgul was a city from Gondor called Minas Ithil, until it was conquered by the Nazgûl. There was a Palantir there, which is how Sauron could communicate with Saruman. - Mithrandir is the name the Elves gave him, same as Gandalf is the name Men gave him. Olórin is his original name.
@@nastrael Do you have any sources that I can use (apart from reading the books) to learn all of this stuff? Like a website or something because it'd really help with my knowledge. Thanks.
@@Garother Oh that's cool actually. Never knew , that's what was happening there. I really need to listen to the silmarillion audiobook (unabriged of cause ;-) ) so i am filled on the old lore
@@Garother they can use spells on beings similar to their abilities like balrog was (esentially a fallen istari, angel technically) and saruman betrayed them so he can use spells on him.
I can understand why they changed it for time reasons etc, especially the Tom Bombadil section as he plays no other role in the movie. Saruman not sacking the shire was a massive shame, it could be a standalone movie in itself.
Cremlindor that he did! And in one of the scene as they are walking out of The Shire there’s rumours you can see Tom in the distance, though I’ve not seen it myself
Literally the best part of the whole film. The horns blowing from yonder, the orcs' worried faces as thousands of riders appear over the lip of the hill, Theoden King shouting "DEATH!" over and over and then the final charge of the Rohirrim come to aid Gondor. I get tears in my eyes every damn time, it's so hype!
The last king of Gondor decided that having a wife or children was something for other kings, and went and accepted a challenge from the Witch King of Angmar (whom no living man could kill, as he well knew, since he'd been there when that prophecy was being made) and it went about as well as you'd expect. Since his death was never confirmed, the steward of the time took up the rule of Gondor "until the king returns". After a while, this became an empty phrase, as no-one thought the king would ever return.
I'll just echo what everyone else is saying here and note just how astonishingly perceptive your grasp of the mythology and the worldbuilding is here. Lots of people struggle with Tolkien, but your conclusions are almost uncannily accurate.
To be fair, while he is pretty awful in the film there is a whole lot of stuff from the books about Denethor and his slow descent into madness and hopelessness that had to be left out due to time constraints. He used to be a strong, loyal staunch warrior who was beloved by his people and loved both his children, however due to the use of another palantir that he kept secret Sauron basicly invaded his mind and drove him slowly mad with constant visions of death destruction and chaos until he was totally unable to see anything but death and destruction at any time. I love all three of theese films but Denethor has to be one of those characters who just had to have most of his story left out due to time and as a result he just comes across as a massive ass hole.
I love how you're like the one reaction channel that picks up on all the deep lore stuff like the fact that Minas Morgul is built like a Gondorian city. It used to be the sister city of Minas Ithil, which was renamed to Minas Tirith when Morgul Fell. The river city between was the capital city. Can't wait for part 2.
Best part of this reaction indeed. But I must correct you.... Minas Morgul used to be called Minas Ithil (tower of the moon) and Minas Tirith was Minas Arnor (tower of the sun).
@@jaspertrimbos5963 Right thank you. I knew it was something to do with that, but it's been a long while since I read the books. Thanks for the correction.
@@chrisbolland5634 haha no problem, The Silmarillion is a lot to take in. And thats why i hope it wont be turned into movies. The commentsection would explode if somebody would do a reaction to them and started asking questions like this guy does 😂
@@jaspertrimbos5963 I KNOW RIGHT! I read it about a year ago and had to keep stopping to go... wait wut? It was like reading the bible it was so dense.
Talking about the Elves and Dwarves during this movie: Erebor (Capital of the Longbeard Dwarves, Gimli's family) and Dale (City of Men near Erebor) are besieged by around 200.000 Easterlings. In Mirkwood (where Legolas is Prince) there is an ongoing battle against Dol Guldur which also involves Lothlorien.
Fun fact: After repelling the attacks from Dol Guldur Galadriel marched out with the Lórien army and through magic she tore down the walls of the once great fortress.
Gandalf the grey, Gandalf the White, Olórin, Mithrandir, Incánus, Tharkûn, Greyhame, Old Greybeard, The Grey Pilgrim, Stormcrow, White Rider, Láthspell, Gandalf the Wandering Wizard. All his names over his approximately 2000 years of living on this world
The dwarven armies are mostly in the North, and were dealing with a separate war on their own front. Gimli's group was sent to Rivendell to figure out what was going on.
Just to throw out a defence for Denethor, he isn't this bad in the books as the movie played up his more negative aspects. He is noted to be lordly yet aged, this is due to his long-term use of Gondor's palantír. The use of the palantír (called the Anor-stone) allowed Denethor to counter Mordor to a degree but seeing the apparent invincibility of Sauron eventually caused him to give in to despair. However Sauron was never able to exert his will over Denethor, and he did try, due to the Steward's great will, integrity also his right as Ruling Steward to use the stone. He also didn't do some of the things that the movie shows. He never wished Faramir was dead (he implied he wished their positions where reversed but that was more because if Boromir had been in Ithilien he would have brought his father the ring) and he never sent Faramir out to die pointlessly, the counter-attack was decided by a Council which he led and they chose Faramir who agreed (he was at the council). So for all his failings it's nice to remember that Denethor was a great man and still a reflection, albeit greatly diminished, of his Numenorean forefathers. Faramir meanwhile didn't even struggle with the decision to take the ring or not. As he said he "would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs". But I suppose from a film point of view it'd seem odd to show someone so unaffected by the ring.
Tolkien said in one of his letters that the character who most resembled him in personality was Faramir, and I can believe it. Both of them had a deep integrity and dedication to their family and people, were learned men, and chose to become warriors out of duty, not for glory.
@@armoredgaming2352 Also the book Eragon (first of the Inheritance Cycle) with the main character Eragon. I turn 20 in a week, so I grew up reading Eagon before I read LOTR. Eragon was one of those young adult books everyone read. That's what I always thought of.
@@armoredgaming2352 Aragon is a region of medieval Spain. As a young history nerd I knew about Catherine of Aragon and Ferdinand of Aragon before I saw Aragorn's name written (saw the films but accents).
The dwarves of the Lonely Mountain and the men of Dale fought the men of Rhun. King Brand of Dale died, as did Kind Dain Ironfoot, but the dwarves and men eventually won after the Ring was destroyed.
the Palantiri (palantir singluar), were gifts to the men of numenor by the elves, there were 8 in total, 7 were on middle earth and 1 was on an island to the west of middle earth called Tol Eressëa, this one was considered the master stone and is never referenced, the other 7 were spread by Elendil throughout the kingdoms of men: one in minas anor (later known as minas tirith) one in minas ithil (later known as minas morgul) one in amon sul (later known as weathertop) one in orthanc, tower of isengard one in Osgiliath (former capital city of gondor) one in Annúminas (former capital city of the northern kingdom or Arnor) one in Elostirion, tallest tower in the tower hills (region later known as westmarch in the shire) they were used as devices to allow communication over vast distances and only those with a strong will could use them, the palantiri were somewhat sentient in that they could sense their users and would either accept or partially deny usage depending on what it was they were doing, it's why saruman struggled to use the orthanc stone initially, it's also why in the film when gandalf is talking with denethor in the throne room and denethor says 'do you think the eyes of the white tower are blind, i have seen more than you know', which is likely a reference to him having used the palantir in minas tirith.
and the problem with the palantiri now, is that you cannot control wich orb gets to see what. not knowing where all of them are, they have to assume, that the enemy might have at least one of them and sees through the others.
@@cacklebarnacle15 in terms of the lore, it's known that 2 of them were lost alongside Arvedui the last king of Arnor, the tower hills stone was taken by elrond and rests in rivendell, the one from minas ithil was taken by sauron and resides in the fortress of barad dur (likely destroyed when the tower fell at the end of the war of the ring), the only ones that are unkown of are the stones from osgiliath and the master stone, as it is known that the orthanc stone is still at isengard, it's clear that minas tirith still has its' stone.
Hey man! Been waiting for this one! I love your Reaction videos and because of this I’ve actually started my own Reactions as well as my normal reviews! The 1st one went live an hour ago and is Batman The Dark Knight! So thank you!!
Matt Rasp already seen them dozens of tiles so I wouldn’t be able to do a Reaction but they are on my list so do my normal reviews of, which I can’t wait for as this is my favourite movie trilogy of all time
Back To The Films definitely makes sense. They are the GOATS. Shocked too see so many new reviews these days which is awesome and entertaining. Envious of being able to watch for the first time and not knowing what happens
Great observation on Minas Morgul! Gondor used to have a twin kingdom called Arnor, of which Minas Ithil was its sister city. Political squabbles weakened the links between them and eventually Arnor split into several weaker states and eventually fell apart. It was then taken by the Witch King of Angmar who turned Minas Ithil into his base, Minas Morgul. In the book it is especially eerie, surrounded by hills of softly glowing undead flowers
Minor correction, but Minas Ithil/Morgul has nothing to do with Arnor. Not sure if it was your intention to imply that they were connected or that Minas Ithil was like Minas Anor/Tirith's counterpart in Arnor but that's how it comes off.
You're right that Minas Ithil (now Minas Morgul) was the sister city to Minas Tirith. Arnor was far to the north and was not where Minas Ithil is. But that is easy to mix up because of Minas Tirith's old name: Minas Anor.
i just love this series, thank you so much. i'd been trying to wait till part 2 of ROTK was uploaded so i could watch them together but i couldn't any longer!
I SO appreciate how much you are an active listener throughout these movies! Especially considering how there are so many lines in the script which are detailed/specific but not "need-to-know" info (like which direction the ships are coming from, or how Gandalf goes by different names) which most people gloss over. 99% of reaction channels are all about having SHOCKING reactions to things, but I admire how observant and intelligent you are when you review these movies :) Great content, thank you!
Minas Morgul was once named Minas Ithil, it was a gondor fortress build to keep watch over Mordor after Sauron defeat (seen in the first movie). However once Sauron returned he rose his armies and besieged the city, and after a long siege the city fell. After the Witch-kings crusade against the kingdom of Arnor (at this time he was named the witch-king of angmar due to the realm above arnor where his fortress lied being called Angmar) where he was driven out by the elves and forced to return to Mordor. Sauron then gave Minas Ithil to the Lord of the Nazgul where he used his dark magic to corrupt it, now being called Minas Morgul.
Fun story. For Saruman's death, director Peter Jackson was telling Christopher Lee (Saruman's actor) how he wanted it to play out and how he wanted Lee to act it out. Lee (who was a veteran or World War II) responded, "Have you any idea the sound a man makes when he's stabbed in the back? Because I do."
i love these reactions so much. you’re really observant, probability the most i’ve ever seen in a reacting channel, apart from the naruto reactions of Heisuten. you guess things that are explained only in the books correctly and that’s amazing. big props! keep it up!
I recommend that you read the Silmarillion. It’s an amazing heavy information filled book that will answer at the questions you have and the very beginning and creation of Middle Earth and the surrounding lands of elves as well. I just started reading a week ago and I’m enjoying it so much.
Thats hard to get through for most people plus it dose not have most of the answers he wants. Just reading the books ( and the hobbit) will answer 99% of his questions.
"I do not like the Steward; he has all negatives, no positives" It is worth mentioning that they made him more primitive, but also that apparently Sauron has corrupted him somewhat, at least psychologically (and the Steward has a Palantír of his own), and there is a little bit more to him in his backstory.
@@Daniel-gp6sd Hobbits are a kind of men actually, they are not a race apart. But there is no line in the books that suggest that Smeagol was part man.
the Smeagol group was a branch of early hobbits living upon the estuaries of the great river Anduin - the river the Fellowship traveled in FOTR. the Smeagol group was 500 years before Frodo's times and it was also a group of hobbits who didnt go to the Shire at all. The Shire existed about 1500 or 1600 years but before that time 3 kinds of hobbits lived in the eastern parts of Gondor. The 3 groups were Stoors, Harfoots and Fallohides. One branch of hobbits were Harfoots and they lived near the dwarve's settlements, near the mountains and traded with dwarves and were also a bit more talented with any craft. The second branch were Fallohides who lived near Mirkwood - the elven forest (the one depicted in the "hobbit" trilogy) and they were taller than other hobbits and braver, and they were mostly hunters and on friendly terms with elves. It was believed that the elites of the Shire - mostly Tooks, Pippin's family but also Bagginses and Brandybucks - was descended mostly from Fallohides. The third group of early hobbits were Stoors - they were mostly fishermen and lived near the rivers and lakes and traded with humans of Gondor. So Smeagol was from the Stoors.
Your reactions are the best buddy. Great at observing and recalling stuff that many other reactors don't. Doing this movie in a 2-part is definitely appreciated.
24:49 Pelagir, second city of Gondor. This explains why Minas Tirith didn't have as many armies as planned, they were busy defending from a multi-pronged attack all along the boarders and coastlines. Also, Sauron had launched attacks against the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain and against the Elves in Lothlorien and Mirkwood. Fortunately the Dwarves and humans in Dale could retreat into the mountain, the Elves of Mirkwood into their underground city, and the power of Galadriel defended the Lothlorien... but that was Sauron's plan, not to defeat the Dwarves and Elves, but keep them busy so they couldn't aid Gondor... for Minas Tirith was the strongest military installation the Western lands had left...if it fell all would fall soon after.
I love your reactions! Found another fan on a Discord server and we praised the fact that you chose to do LOTR. Ok, am gonna watch the vid now, but thanks for the content!
thank you for being the best reaction channel out there! it's amazing how you get so much information from the movies and pay attention to everything, love your videos!!! ✨
Which is why in The Fellowship, Saruman shows Gandalf his palantir and Gandalf warns him that he shouldn’t be using it because many of the other 7 palantiri have been lost and they are not all accounted for. They are no longer sure who all could be watching. But there are actually 4 that we know of: 1 in the Grey Havens with the Elves, 1 in Orthanc with Saruman, 1 that Denethor has in Minas Tirith (unfortunately only hinted at in the movies, and is a reason why Denethor has become corrupted by Sauron), and 1 that was captured in Minas Ithil when it was conquered, and it ended up with Sauron, rendering the use of any palantiri to become dangerous.
No, they're not. The names he uses in Middle-Earth are descriptive. Mithrandir means "grey pilgrim" in Sindarin. And Gandalf means "elf man with a staff" in Westron.
@@iceicejay9569 No problem ^^ Eärendil is descended of all the houses of the Edain, though. And he and Elwing represented both elves and men, due to their heritage. Which is what mattered.
Great reaction, I don't know if anyone's already mentioned this but, (in the books) whenever one of the Nazgul make that noise they do, it in a literal sense strikes fear into the hearts of those around it. That's why you see everyone looking scared, stopping and putting their hands over their ears whenever they make that screaming-ish noise. They are being filled with fear.
FYI - Denethor’s behavior in the movie is far more severe than in the book. He still had some redeeming qualities in the book. (yes, he’s really hatable in the movie)
I’ve said it time and time again it’s the greatest Movie Trilogy of all time and I don’t think any will ever beat it. I’ll have to do a review on them soon enough myself but I’ve just started Reactions and just done The Dark Knight another amazing Movie in an Amazing trilogy, though not as good as LOTR!
I agree, and disagree with you. In my opinion, as a full set of films, LotR is probably the best film trilogy of all time. Even more impressive is that it's an adaptation. There are a few that come close, the Godfather I disagree with your remark about being pretentious. That series is almost as well made. Also, one of the best examples of film acting IMO, but I believe the scope, and technichal achievements of LotR sets it apart. The Dark Knight Trilogy as someone mentioned, was fantastic, as were the original Star Wars films. I do have to say, in my opinion, as stand alone films both Godfather 2, and Dark Knight, were better than any of the LotR movies. Return of the King I have as a close number 3 behind those two though. At the end of the day, as I said, I don't believe anything beats the Lord of the Rings as a full trilogy.
"Mithrandir" is Gandalf's Sindarin (elvish) name. A dialect of Sindarin was spoken in Gondor, which is why Faramir calls him that, as well. As soon as Arwen made her decision, the light of Eldar essentially started draining from her. As one of the "half elven" through her father, her (and her brothers in the books) had the choice to remain immortal as an elf or become mortal. The elves weren't made to remain in Middle Earth indefinitely. If they try to they would eventually fade and become wraiths, which is why they have to sail west over the Sundering Seas to Valinor. The power of the Elven rings of power that Galadriel and Elrond have have the ability to delay time so they've been able to create kind of safe havens in Rivendell and Lorien for elves that don't yet want to sail west to Valinor. Legolas's reference to "war marching on their own lands" refers to the Northern Theater where Easterlings from Rhun attacked Dale and Erebor in the Battle of Dale (100k dwarves and 50k men vs. 200k easterlings), Orcs from Dol Goldur in Mirkwood attacked Thranduil's realm in the Battle Under the Trees and also attacked Lorien.
Minas Morgul was once called minas Ithil. It was a city of Men but it fell during the war against the dark lord army and became Minas Morgul. I'm impressed you actually made the connection by yourself that quick. Your attention to details is refreshing!! Love your videos
@11:14. That is Minas Morgul, a big city built by the Numenoreans. They built it in the Second Age to protect themselves of Orc filth running through their lands. When Sauron captured this bastion, they named it Minas Morgul. Minas Ithil is also the name of the white tree you saw in the courtyard in Minas Tirith (the first tree of Gondor). Sauron uses the Palantir that was housed in Minas Ithil when he took it over from the Numenoreans. Saruman used the palantir in Isengard in the Tower of Orthanc to keep a closer eye on things. There was also a Palantir in Amon Sûl, the big watchtower where Frodo got stabbed by the Witch King of Angmar. Palantiri were available to the biggest kingdoms in Middle Earth before the War of the Ring began. I hope you like a little bit of backstory. Maybe this clears up a couple things about the use of Palantiri and Minas Morgul having a Gondorian appearance.
Minas Tirith - Tower of the Sun Minas Morgul - Tower of the Moon Congrats on connecting those deep-lore dots, as far as I know I haven't seen any other reactor catch that one; pleasure watching you as always. Also on why Arwen is dying. Short version is, all rings are tied to the One Ring. Everything created by and all powers stemming from the rings of power are tainted by the One. So it's the classic problem of, if the One Ring isn't destroyed, then Sauron eventually regains it and it will be the end of the world; however if the One Ring is destroyed, then all powers and everything created through all other rings will fade away. Lesser of two evils says to destroy it, and it lends an extra layer of depth and sadness to the heroism of the elves who chose to stay behind and fight with mankind. ...Or, in Arwen's specific case, the decision to stay behind for the love of a human and willingly give up that power and immortality even before the eventual fading is added to her own personal choice.
So to answer some questions... 1. When Arwen 'chooses' a mortal life it goes back to the song that Aragorn sings in the first movie, the tale of Beren and Lúthien. (Human and Elf lovers) Beren dies in combat attempting to earn the right to be with his love Lúthien, but she loved him so much that she begged Mandos (Angel in charge of mortal fates) to take her immortality in exchange for them to live what time they had left together. They eventually had children and then a few generations later...Elrond and his brother Elros. Both of them were offered the chance to live as humans, or as elves due to their half-bloodness...Elrond chose Elf, and Elros chose human, he became the first King of Numenor and is why the Dúnedain has long lives... Soo in short, Arwen is giving up her Elven immortality to kinda barter with the fates of the world, and make the same deal...to live for the rest of her life with Aragorn... 2. Arwen's fate is tied to the ring. This is more symbolic...as if the ring isn't destroyed then evil will take over...she can no longer go west with the elves, so if Man is wiped out she dies with them. 3.Gandalf is called Mithrandir because it is what the elves call him in Sindarin, therefore it's the closest thing to his 'real' name. Though he enjoyed the name Gandalf that the shire folk gave him. 4. Stars are not really directly worshiped, more like...what they represent. Science isn't the same on middle earth as it is here...like originally the planet, known as Arda...was actually a floating disc... 5. Yes, Gondor controlled all of the area and even most of Mordor (at it's height). Minas Morgal, originally Minas Ithil, was a Gondorian fortress the guarded the mountain path, and contained a Palantíri (Seeing stones) 6. Palantíri or Seeing Stones, were created a REALLY long time ago, and were mainly used in the 2nd age to communicate over long distances. For example you might have 3-4 Palantíri, and spread them across your Kingdom to send important messages. The reason they are dangerous, is because Souron obtained one when he captured Minas Morgal and therefore is able to use his overwhelming power to invade the mind of anyone who uses it... They are not inherently evil.
4:10 The fireball didn't happen in the books though 😅 11:20 that city was taken over by sauron and became a fortress for the witchking 16:10 Mithrandir is his name in the elvish common tongue "sindarin"
My favorite quote in TLOTR comes from Faramir. "War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."
The black stone in Isengard is called a Palantir, and it's basically kind of like a crystal ball, but there are several of them, and they are all linked. This means that if you use one, someone else using another can look into your mind, possibly even influence it. To stop this, you need to have a stronger will than the person trying to see into you. Saruman's will was weaker than Sauron's, so he was able to read him like an open book and break him mentally, ultimately twisting and corrupting him. Denethor, the Steward of Gondor ALSO had a Palantir, and had successfully used it to see into Sauron's mind and his plans, and use that knowledge to defend Gondor for a long time. He actually managed to beat him in a battle of wills, and prevent Sauron from influencing or reading him, but these battles left him old, haggard, and slightly unhinged.
The dead city (Minas Morgul) was the sister city of Minas Tirith and was called Minas Ithil before Sauron took it over and made it the stronghold of the Nazgul. Denethor had one of the palantirs in his citadel, so he was basically being driven mad by what he was seeing in it, and is why he knew what was coming.
10:22 Yes Sauron can manipulate the weather. And he can erupt the month doom whenever he wants to creating smoke clouds to protect his armies from the sunlight. He can control the normal clouds tho, he did it when the war of the elves and Sauron began after the creation of the One Ring. P.s In the books, Saruman doesn't have such power of manipulating the weather unlike Sauron. Only Sauron and Manwe (Leader of the Valar and King of the Arda(Earth)) has this power/ability
It really helps to think of Gandolf and the other wizards as angels sent to middle earth to watch over the world as immortal protectors. Gandolf as "the grey" was second in charge. Once Saroman betrayed middle earth, Gandolf was given the powers of the white.
I have never been so excited for someone else to see a movie's end. I waited 25 years to see my favorite book get adapted into an epic trilogy by Peter Jackson so that the rest of the world could share in my joy and in an excellent work of literature.
I like your movie reactions very much because you follow the scenes very carefully and also appreciate the details and small scenes. Looking forward to part 2 😊👍
Good catch about Minas Mogal. It was once the Gondorian city of Minas Ithal, but it fell to Mordor about 1400 years before the events of Lord of the Rings. The Witch King after he was driven from Angmar in the north, took Minas Morgal as his new Keep.
I very enjoyed your reaction :) There are things that I m usualy expecting in movie reactions video :) 1. Appreciation for the work and artistry of the movie. Any movie but esp Jackson's adaptations :) 2. Critical thinking about its possible mistakes. You have the right to be confused about "dying Arwen" topic becouse it was not in the book but it could be explained in the movie universe at least on 3 levels :) 3. And focus on details of the worldbuilding and narration and thinking during the watching - I mean I like that you can remember past scenes and connect dots :)
There are multiple languages in Middle Earth. Mithrandir is Gandalf’s name in Sindarin, which is a tongue that a lot of men but especially men of Gondor speak. Gandalf is his name in Westron. He has other names in other languages but those are his main ones. You’re correct about the stars. The elves in particular are close to Lady Varda, the Vala of the Stars and Queen of the Valar. They also call her Elbereth. When Elrond says that “the light of the Eldar is leaving you,” the elves are also known as the Eldar and as mentioned, deeply associated with the light of the stars. So the light of the Eldar leaving her is akin to saying “the immortality of our people is leaving you.” Shes mortal now.
He gets the term and stuff so fast. Also I love that he's like theorizing about the origins of stuff and is actually guessing correctly a lot of the time.
The guy is so observant and actually pays attention to what's going on, easily the best reacting channel out there.
He’s brilliant isn’t he and a true inspiration to us smaller channels for sure
Exactly!! I love this channel already for those exact reasons!
Brian Storm it seems many of us think the same Brian!
Back To The Films I’m gonna go check out your Dark Knight review after this🙂
@@MrMovieRecaps Just seen you've done a reaction to the Dark Knight, good choice of film, I'll be checking it out, keep going man👍
I want to congratulate you on being the only reactor to connect minas morgul to Gondor immediately very well done it's a pleasure to see someone pay attention
He really does and that’s another reason we love his reactions and why he inspired me to try reviews as well as my reactions
Minas Morgul was the sister fort-city to Minas Tirith right? or at least something like that?
Yes, Minas Morgul was once a city built and ruled by men, called Minas Ithil. A few battles took place there, and by the Third Age of LotR, it has been conquered and corrupted by forces of Sauron, the Witch King and the Nazgul, and renamed Minas Morgul.
@@NorokVokun minas Morgol was Minas Ithil (tower of the Moon) until taken over by Sauron. It protected the area of Ithilian, which was still nominally Gondorian territory, but mostly an outpost until after the War of the Ring when Aragorn gave it to Prince Faramir and his bride ( avoiding spoilers, just in case)
I know; this guy's so observant! He's picking up on so much stuff I would've never noticed my first time. I wouldn't have looked at Minas Morgul and gone "holy shit, that looks like Minas Tirith, they must be related" (then again, I was like five when these movies started to come out; I couldn't even tell Aragorn and Boromir apart).
Elves can literally get sad to death. That's why her fate is tied to that of the Ring, and by extension Aragorn.
And at this point she has given up her immortality too. "There is no ship now that can bear me hence." I love that line.
Don't know why "get sad to death" tickled me so much but lol
The emo race
Humans can too, technically.
@Paulo Jorge Cruz Pereira Rodrigues Melo e Almeida actually, I'm pretty sure the "light of the eldar" is the thing that makes elves immortal, and when she chose to stay, She tied her fate to middle earth and men. Also, elrond, and therefore Arwen, is half elf and half human, so she can choose between the two. So that light left her, meaning she did give up her immortality. She will still live way long, but not be immortal. Like all other elves. It only happens with half-elves. Regular elves would "fade" over time.
Backstory on a few points:
In the battles with Morgoth (literally the Devil, worse than Sauron by far) in the First Age, one person, Earendil, because he was part human, part elf, part Maia (angel), and descended from all the various houses of elves, was able to represent all of those groups in a petition before the Valar (the high council of angels in the far west). The Valar descended upon Middle Earth and exiled Morgoth beyond the world. Part of the cost to Earendil was that he could never set foot on Middle Earth again, and so he sails in his flying ship above the world with one of the Silmarili (one of the great shining jewels that were fought over in the battle with Morgoth) as the morning and evening star. The vial of light that Galadriel gave Frodo is the light of that Silmaril.
The two sons of Earendil, Elros and Elrond (yes, that Elrond) were given a choice by the Valar, given that they were part-human and part-elf, as to whether they would live and die as humans or be immortal as elves. Elrond choose the life of the elves, but each of his children (Arwen being one of them) must also choose between immortality and mortality. Arwen, out of love for Aragorn, made the choice here for mortality. Elros chose a human life, and became the first king of the Numenoreans, who the people of Gondor are descended from. Aragorn's role as king is in part as heir of Elros.
The Valar gave the Numenoreans seven powerful stones by which they could communicate with one another over long distances (incidentally made by Feanor, the elvish craftsman who had made the Silmarili). When Numenor was destroyed, the seven stones were brought to Middle Earth and set up in several places. One in Isengard, one in Minas Tirith, one at Minas Morgul. The Morgul stone is owned by Sauron, who has projected his influence through it to corrupt Saruman and bring Denethor to despair (looking in the Minas Tirith stone).
The Wizards are Maiar (angels) who were sent to Middle Earth by the Valar to help stop Sauron. "Gandalf", meaning "wand elf" is his name among dwarves, men, and Hobbits, "Mithrandir", meaning "grey wanderer", is his name among the elves, "Olorin" is his true name among the other Maiar. Saruman was known as "Curunir" among the elves and "Curumo" among the Maiar.
Sauron before his fall was one of the Maiar, as were the Balrogs.
Dude I love the dedication to the lore 😂
So aragorn and arwen are basically cousins🧐
@@RuinsOfTheUnknown 65th genration once removed
@@ismailsafavi1611 1st cousins 65 times removed.
Very well said. The story of Numenor is my favorite within Tolkien's Legendarium. Aside from Elros Tar-Minyatur my favorite kings of Numenor are Tar-Amandil, Tar-Elendil, Tar-Aldarion, and Tar-Palantir.
I was in the midst of a long, long depression when I first saw this movie. The scene of Gandalf riding out to save Faramir and his men, the way the light shone from his staff and the music swelled, driving off the darkness--that part to this day moves me to tears. It was the literal visual representation to me of life and hope triumphing, even for a moment, over the darkness. And it helped me.
Definitely one of the best movies for the catharsis of overcoming.
So all I have to do is run into a bunch of pigeons and Shine my Flashlight while my friend runs behind with my laptop playing this music lol. It was an awesome scene.
@Bluestem. May you have Light in your life always.
@@ZhyperCR1T 😂😂🤣
"Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise Gamgee
Sir Christopher Lee (Saruman) actually is a war hero from second world war. When it came to filming his death scene, he was unsatisfied by what reaction Peter Jackson wanted him to show. He then taught him, how a man actually looked like when being stabbed in the back (he had seen people being stabbed himself). So this scene is gruesomely realistic.
Knowing this greatly adds to the scene...
He know's because he stabbed someone in the back as a secret agent of the British in ww2. The man was an incredible wealth of stories and experiences, RIP.
Another fact about Christopher Lee, that you probably know is that he's the only one of the cast or crew to have personally met JRR Tolkien!
Isn't it about the sound, Peter wanted a different sound, but Lee knew what it sounded like.
@@willmcnally3388 A lot of the missions Christopher Lee went is still highly classified.
@@AFake_Human Peter wanted a gasp but it's not a gasp it's a sharp exhale
I cry every time when Pippin and Merry have to separate! 😭 They’re cousins and bffs and they have literally never been apart in their lives before this! And then they don’t even know if they’re gonna see each other again!
It's honestly refreshing how many things you're picking up from the film. Things that go right over other peoples' heads when they see it for the first time.
Yes, Arwen is mortal now. She made the decision to be. Arwen is technically half-elven, though you never learn that in the films. TLDR, in this world half-elves can choose to be either mortal or immortal. Since they are caught between worlds, they can choose to inherit the legacy of their mortal or immortal blood. And Arwen chose her mortal half. Iirc, when Elrond says her life is tied to the fate of the ring, he was speaking metaphorically. Because her fate is tied to the fate of mortals, and the world of mortals is now threatened by the ring.
And that tower the Witch King comes out of? Minas Morgul? You're right, it did once belong to the kingdom of Gondor long ago. It was known as Minas Ithil. But it fell to the Witch King and his sorcery, and became his stronghold in Angmar.
Gandalf has had many names over the centuries. Mithrandir is what the elves and men of the West often call him. It means "Grey Rider" in elvish. Gandalf is his most recent name, so many refer to him as such. But neither are his original name. That you'll have to learn in the books.
There's a wealth of backstory to everything you see in these films. I can't wait for you to learn it all.
Minas Ithil didn't become the Witch-King's stronghold in Angmar, but in Mordor...or, more appropriately, in Ithilien. Angmar was the land he ruled in the north of Middle-Earth, where he worked long and hard to overthrow Arnor and its remnants afte Isildur died. He ruled Angmar from the city of Carn Dum.
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jajaj me too
me too
Where’s the lie!!!
Saw the first two videos earlier, so happy O didn't have to wait for this one
These reactions were my first subscription. What an intelligent, humble and genuine guy.
10:47 "I feel like they kind of worship stars in this world." You're actually pretty spot on. When the elves first woke up, the first thing that they saw was the stars, so the Vala that they honor most is Varda, or Elbereth by the elves, who kindled the stars.
the sun and moon didnt yet exist in the world when the elves awoke. The stars was all the light they had before they went to the west and saw the trees of light
You know I had totally forgotten that. I must reread the Silmarilion.
I cry straight through the last 30 minutes of Return of the King every time...Sam and Frodo’s friendship is beautiful ❤️
Always no matter how many times I watch
It’s a beautiful relationship between them both isn’t it. A truly stunning, beautiful movie and a perfect friendship
Bromance, friendship, couple, whatever you call it, it's the best relationship in history
༎u n k n o w n༎ it’s up there for sure!
@@Mrreowmeowmrreowmrowmeow Straight facts
Minas Morgul was a city from Gondor called Minas Ithil, until it was conquered by the Nazgûl. There was a Palantir there, which is how Sauron could communicate with Saruman.
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Mithrandir is the name the Elves gave him, same as Gandalf is the name Men gave him. Olórin is his original name.
And the Dwarves call him Tharkûn. Lit. "Staff Man"
Minas Thirith and Minas Ithil/Morgul were sister fort-cities right? or am I misremembering?
@@NorokVokun You're correct. They were built as fortresses to protect Osgiliath.
@@nastrael Do you have any sources that I can use (apart from reading the books) to learn all of this stuff? Like a website or something because it'd really help with my knowledge. Thanks.
@@levipeterken4020 you can check everywhere online , places like lotrfandom I guess, if you are looking for something specific.
“How do you lay siege to a city like that” Sauron: you’re boutta see
Sauron: pretty simple, actually. You just need a couple of fellbeasts and catapults and you’re good.
Gandalf could broke his staff because he is the head of the order now and Smeagol is river folk, very similar to hobbits
I remember the explanation that it was forbidden for Istari to cast deadly spells on each other. He broke an ancient law.
@@Garother Oh that's cool actually. Never knew , that's what was happening there. I really need to listen to the silmarillion audiobook (unabriged of cause ;-) ) so i am filled on the old lore
@@Garother they can use spells on beings similar to their abilities like balrog was (esentially a fallen istari, angel technically) and saruman betrayed them so he can use spells on him.
Yeah, the official name of Smeagol's species was Stoors, basically an early evolution of Hobbit
@@georgelinford5576 Stoors ARE Hobbits. There are three breeds of Hobbit that Tolkien named, which were the Stoors, Fallohides, and Harfoots.
In the books Saruman survives to currupt the Shire. That whole section not included in the movies. Also no Tom Bombadil or Barrows.
I can understand why they changed it for time reasons etc, especially the Tom Bombadil section as he plays no other role in the movie. Saruman not sacking the shire was a massive shame, it could be a standalone movie in itself.
@@MrMovieRecaps Yeah, it's a great part of the books, but probably would have been anti-climactic in the movies.
JayTor2112 exactly, though I still would have loved to have seen it!
@@MrMovieRecaps well Peter Jackson showed parts of it in frodos vision in lothlorien as an homage to that chapter
Cremlindor that he did! And in one of the scene as they are walking out of The Shire there’s rumours you can see Tom in the distance, though I’ve not seen it myself
"Seems like we dont really have too much talk of dwarf armies"
The hobbit: let me introduce myself
Pls don't remind me
its good there are no dwarf armies in these movies, the hobbit movies made me dislike them
You shall not pass!!!
I mean there's only one, I thought Dain was pretty well done tbh
@@Lasmelan I agree
I you don't cry in the last 45 minutes of this film you're not human
Guess I'm ded then
Tru that. I cry every time at “my friends, you bow to no one”
*** at multiple points ***
They manage to make me shed tears without even killing off the characters lol kinda crazy when you think about it... pretty damn good.
Me: *spends the whole video resisting the urge to fast forward to the Ride of the Rohirrim*
Scene: *Never comes*
It's great that he's splitting it in two though
Daniel Cooper agreed!
I think I can guarantee that it will be in there for the 2nd part!
Literally the best part of the whole film. The horns blowing from yonder, the orcs' worried faces as thousands of riders appear over the lip of the hill, Theoden King shouting "DEATH!" over and over and then the final charge of the Rohirrim come to aid Gondor. I get tears in my eyes every damn time, it's so hype!
@@SeppukuAddict Add Howard Shore's music for the whole scene.
The last king of Gondor decided that having a wife or children was something for other kings, and went and accepted a challenge from the Witch King of Angmar (whom no living man could kill, as he well knew, since he'd been there when that prophecy was being made) and it went about as well as you'd expect. Since his death was never confirmed, the steward of the time took up the rule of Gondor "until the king returns". After a while, this became an empty phrase, as no-one thought the king would ever return.
I'll just echo what everyone else is saying here and note just how astonishingly perceptive your grasp of the mythology and the worldbuilding is here. Lots of people struggle with Tolkien, but your conclusions are almost uncannily accurate.
He's already seen it. He guesses at too many behind-the-scenes info from the appendices.
@@roddo1955 you seem to be all over this guy. May you suggest a reaction that you think is "authentic". What makes you think his is not?
@@roddo1955 not downing. Genuinely curious
Imagine losing your brother and having your parents say that they wish you were dead instead. That's so terrible. I hate Denethor.
To be fair, while he is pretty awful in the film there is a whole lot of stuff from the books about Denethor and his slow descent into madness and hopelessness that had to be left out due to time constraints.
He used to be a strong, loyal staunch warrior who was beloved by his people and loved both his children, however due to the use of another palantir that he kept secret Sauron basicly invaded his mind and drove him slowly mad with constant visions of death destruction and chaos until he was totally unable to see anything but death and destruction at any time.
I love all three of theese films but Denethor has to be one of those characters who just had to have most of his story left out due to time and as a result he just comes across as a massive ass hole.
I love how you're like the one reaction channel that picks up on all the deep lore stuff like the fact that Minas Morgul is built like a Gondorian city. It used to be the sister city of Minas Ithil, which was renamed to Minas Tirith when Morgul Fell. The river city between was the capital city.
Can't wait for part 2.
Best part of this reaction indeed. But I must correct you.... Minas Morgul used to be called Minas Ithil (tower of the moon) and Minas Tirith was Minas Arnor (tower of the sun).
@@jaspertrimbos5963 Right thank you. I knew it was something to do with that, but it's been a long while since I read the books. Thanks for the correction.
@@chrisbolland5634 haha no problem, The Silmarillion is a lot to take in. And thats why i hope it wont be turned into movies. The commentsection would explode if somebody would do a reaction to them and started asking questions like this guy does 😂
@@jaspertrimbos5963 I KNOW RIGHT! I read it about a year ago and had to keep stopping to go... wait wut? It was like reading the bible it was so dense.
Talking about the Elves and Dwarves during this movie: Erebor (Capital of the Longbeard Dwarves, Gimli's family) and Dale (City of Men near Erebor) are besieged by around 200.000 Easterlings. In Mirkwood (where Legolas is Prince) there is an ongoing battle against Dol Guldur which also involves Lothlorien.
Fun fact: After repelling the attacks from Dol Guldur Galadriel marched out with the Lórien army and through magic she tore down the walls of the once great fortress.
Gandalf the grey, Gandalf the White, Olórin, Mithrandir, Incánus, Tharkûn, Greyhame, Old Greybeard, The Grey Pilgrim, Stormcrow, White Rider, Láthspell, Gandalf the Wandering Wizard. All his names over his approximately 2000 years of living on this world
Olorin is his actual name though, right?
@@PurpleEnbyTerminator yes
Tharkûn. .is that Andunaic? Who called him that? I like it!
@@roddo1955 The name given to Gandalf by the Dwarves.
@@roddo1955 It's what the dwarves call him (or are supposed to, although they didn't in the hobbit movies).
The dwarven armies are mostly in the North, and were dealing with a separate war on their own front. Gimli's group was sent to Rivendell to figure out what was going on.
Just to throw out a defence for Denethor, he isn't this bad in the books as the movie played up his more negative aspects.
He is noted to be lordly yet aged, this is due to his long-term use of Gondor's palantír. The use of the palantír (called the Anor-stone) allowed Denethor to counter Mordor to a degree but seeing the apparent invincibility of Sauron eventually caused him to give in to despair. However Sauron was never able to exert his will over Denethor, and he did try, due to the Steward's great will, integrity also his right as Ruling Steward to use the stone.
He also didn't do some of the things that the movie shows. He never wished Faramir was dead (he implied he wished their positions where reversed but that was more because if Boromir had been in Ithilien he would have brought his father the ring) and he never sent Faramir out to die pointlessly, the counter-attack was decided by a Council which he led and they chose Faramir who agreed (he was at the council).
So for all his failings it's nice to remember that Denethor was a great man and still a reflection, albeit greatly diminished, of his Numenorean forefathers.
Faramir meanwhile didn't even struggle with the decision to take the ring or not. As he said he "would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs". But I suppose from a film point of view it'd seem odd to show someone so unaffected by the ring.
Tolkien said in one of his letters that the character who most resembled him in personality was Faramir, and I can believe it. Both of them had a deep integrity and dedication to their family and people, were learned men, and chose to become warriors out of duty, not for glory.
Aw man, I was expecting a much more excited reaction to the beacons sequence. One of my very favorite parts, and so epic!
Yes! Just imagining the people manning those locations (maybe small villages nearby with that primary responsibility?) is so moving.
The music makes me cry every god dam time and theres nothing i can do about it
You know the first reaction is legit when the person calls Aragorn, Aragon
I was relieved when he corrected himself later haha
Ive seen a lot of people call him Aragon for some reason. Is there another popular character with a similar name to Aragorn?
@@armoredgaming2352 Also the book Eragon (first of the Inheritance Cycle) with the main character Eragon. I turn 20 in a week, so I grew up reading Eagon before I read LOTR. Eragon was one of those young adult books everyone read. That's what I always thought of.
@@armoredgaming2352 I dont know characters, but Aragon is a region of my country XD
@@armoredgaming2352 Aragon is a region of medieval Spain. As a young history nerd I knew about Catherine of Aragon and Ferdinand of Aragon before I saw Aragorn's name written (saw the films but accents).
the dwarves actually fought vs mordors army in the north at the same time as the war is happening in gondor. same with the elves
I love that he noticed that, and even comments, that it sounds like they're in a war elsewhere.
The dwarves of the Lonely Mountain and the men of Dale fought the men of Rhun. King Brand of Dale died, as did Kind Dain Ironfoot, but the dwarves and men eventually won after the Ring was destroyed.
“How do you lay siege to a city like that?” ... You’re about to find out.
I NEED PART 2! Best Reaction Channel I've seen in a long time.
the Palantiri (palantir singluar), were gifts to the men of numenor by the elves, there were 8 in total, 7 were on middle earth and 1 was on an island to the west of middle earth called Tol Eressëa, this one was considered the master stone and is never referenced, the other 7 were spread by Elendil throughout the kingdoms of men:
one in minas anor (later known as minas tirith)
one in minas ithil (later known as minas morgul)
one in amon sul (later known as weathertop)
one in orthanc, tower of isengard
one in Osgiliath (former capital city of gondor)
one in Annúminas (former capital city of the northern kingdom or Arnor)
one in Elostirion, tallest tower in the tower hills (region later known as westmarch in the shire)
they were used as devices to allow communication over vast distances and only those with a strong will could use them, the palantiri were somewhat sentient in that they could sense their users and would either accept or partially deny usage depending on what it was they were doing, it's why saruman struggled to use the orthanc stone initially, it's also why in the film when gandalf is talking with denethor in the throne room and denethor says 'do you think the eyes of the white tower are blind, i have seen more than you know', which is likely a reference to him having used the palantir in minas tirith.
and the problem with the palantiri now, is that you cannot control wich orb gets to see what. not knowing where all of them are, they have to assume, that the enemy might have at least one of them and sees through the others.
@@cacklebarnacle15 in terms of the lore, it's known that 2 of them were lost alongside Arvedui the last king of Arnor, the tower hills stone was taken by elrond and rests in rivendell, the one from minas ithil was taken by sauron and resides in the fortress of barad dur (likely destroyed when the tower fell at the end of the war of the ring), the only ones that are unkown of are the stones from osgiliath and the master stone, as it is known that the orthanc stone is still at isengard, it's clear that minas tirith still has its' stone.
I guess when you live for 24000 years you adopt a lot of names.
More than a few!
more like 56,000 years lol
His original name is Olorin - mithrandir, gandalf etc. are just names he's been given by various peoples
Possibly the best movie of all time imo
what. I think it is the worst of the trilogy.
Misread your comment as 'worst of all time' and was triggered for a sec there lmao
@@Ravnkel i think the ''slightly weakest'' is a bit of a better term
@Y T they are all pretty much the same in terms quality
but yeah, towers is probably the weakest. but not by alot.
Not slightly i find it pretty bad. The orcs look terrible and do not even get med started on the eye of Sauron LED spotlight
Btw in the books, Saruman and Wormtounge didn't die in Isengard.
Hey man! Been waiting for this one! I love your Reaction videos and because of this I’ve actually started my own Reactions as well as my normal reviews! The 1st one went live an hour ago and is Batman The Dark Knight! So thank you!!
Aww wow good luck!
Danielle Blanshard thank you so much! I’ll keep doing my best and go one Review and reaction at a time!
Do lotr
Matt Rasp already seen them dozens of tiles so I wouldn’t be able to do a Reaction but they are on my list so do my normal reviews of, which I can’t wait for as this is my favourite movie trilogy of all time
Back To The Films definitely makes sense. They are the GOATS. Shocked too see so many new reviews these days which is awesome and entertaining. Envious of being able to watch for the first time and not knowing what happens
Great observation on Minas Morgul! Gondor used to have a twin kingdom called Arnor, of which Minas Ithil was its sister city. Political squabbles weakened the links between them and eventually Arnor split into several weaker states and eventually fell apart. It was then taken by the Witch King of Angmar who turned Minas Ithil into his base, Minas Morgul. In the book it is especially eerie, surrounded by hills of softly glowing undead flowers
Minor correction, but Minas Ithil/Morgul has nothing to do with Arnor. Not sure if it was your intention to imply that they were connected or that Minas Ithil was like Minas Anor/Tirith's counterpart in Arnor but that's how it comes off.
You’re wrong
You're right that Minas Ithil (now Minas Morgul) was the sister city to Minas Tirith. Arnor was far to the north and was not where Minas Ithil is. But that is easy to mix up because of Minas Tirith's old name: Minas Anor.
Cant wait for the next part! Love your reactions and how you actually pay attention to the finer details!
i just love this series, thank you so much. i'd been trying to wait till part 2 of ROTK was uploaded so i could watch them together but i couldn't any longer!
I SO appreciate how much you are an active listener throughout these movies! Especially considering how there are so many lines in the script which are detailed/specific but not "need-to-know" info (like which direction the ships are coming from, or how Gandalf goes by different names) which most people gloss over. 99% of reaction channels are all about having SHOCKING reactions to things, but I admire how observant and intelligent you are when you review these movies :) Great content, thank you!
mithrandir just means grey pilgrim or wanderer in elvish.
Pippin is the most unerrated character in all of lotr
God I’m so hyped I look forward to these so much!
You and me both Sam! They are brilliant and inspirational to us smaller reviewers as well
Minas Morgul was once named Minas Ithil, it was a gondor fortress build to keep watch over Mordor after Sauron defeat (seen in the first movie). However once Sauron returned he rose his armies and besieged the city, and after a long siege the city fell. After the Witch-kings crusade against the kingdom of Arnor (at this time he was named the witch-king of angmar due to the realm above arnor where his fortress lied being called Angmar) where he was driven out by the elves and forced to return to Mordor. Sauron then gave Minas Ithil to the Lord of the Nazgul where he used his dark magic to corrupt it, now being called Minas Morgul.
I legit thought like 30 minutes ago like: damn when is he gonna upload this damn video, and here it is
Fun story. For Saruman's death, director Peter Jackson was telling Christopher Lee (Saruman's actor) how he wanted it to play out and how he wanted Lee to act it out. Lee (who was a veteran or World War II) responded, "Have you any idea the sound a man makes when he's stabbed in the back? Because I do."
i love these reactions so much. you’re really observant, probability the most i’ve ever seen in a reacting channel, apart from the naruto reactions of Heisuten. you guess things that are explained only in the books correctly and that’s amazing. big props! keep it up!
Of all the reactors, you are the first who showed a lot of Merry and Pippin scenes and I love you for that! I love the energy they bring.
I recommend that you read the Silmarillion. It’s an amazing heavy information filled book that will answer at the questions you have and the very beginning and creation of Middle Earth and the surrounding lands of elves as well. I just started reading a week ago and I’m enjoying it so much.
Thats hard to get through for most people plus it dose not have most of the answers he wants.
Just reading the books ( and the hobbit) will answer 99% of his questions.
@@rosasutubechannel Yep. I could never get through that book. :(
Seeing all these comments make me so happy. It's so nice to see the Lord of the Rings community continue to contribute their knowledge of the series!
you've gotta be my new favorite CZcams channel. I dont even know what to say
"I do not like the Steward; he has all negatives, no positives"
It is worth mentioning that they made him more primitive, but also that apparently Sauron has corrupted him somewhat, at least psychologically (and the Steward has a Palantír of his own), and there is a little bit more to him in his backstory.
He’s not a hobbit, just River Folk. Similar race, but not the same.
I think he was half man half hobbit. Since he's has some man in him that's why he's is so easily corrupted
He is a Hobbit. Just another kind than hobbits from the Shire, I think the name in English is stoor. They loved water and lived near the Anduin river.
@@Spiri7ualShi7 I think he was part human too. Explaining the instant corruption. I cant be certain though as I haven't read the book for a few years
@@Daniel-gp6sd Hobbits are a kind of men actually, they are not a race apart. But there is no line in the books that suggest that Smeagol was part man.
@@Spiri7ualShi7 yes he is a stoor
the Smeagol group was a branch of early hobbits living upon the estuaries of the great river Anduin - the river the Fellowship traveled in FOTR. the Smeagol group was 500 years before Frodo's times and it was also a group of hobbits who didnt go to the Shire at all. The Shire existed about 1500 or 1600 years but before that time 3 kinds of hobbits lived in the eastern parts of Gondor. The 3 groups were Stoors, Harfoots and Fallohides. One branch of hobbits were Harfoots and they lived near the dwarve's settlements, near the mountains and traded with dwarves and were also a bit more talented with any craft. The second branch were Fallohides who lived near Mirkwood - the elven forest (the one depicted in the "hobbit" trilogy) and they were taller than other hobbits and braver, and they were mostly hunters and on friendly terms with elves. It was believed that the elites of the Shire - mostly Tooks, Pippin's family but also Bagginses and Brandybucks - was descended mostly from Fallohides. The third group of early hobbits were Stoors - they were mostly fishermen and lived near the rivers and lakes and traded with humans of Gondor. So Smeagol was from the Stoors.
Gandalf could break the staff because as he said in TTT that he is "Saruman as he should've been".
Your reactions are the best buddy. Great at observing and recalling stuff that many other reactors don't. Doing this movie in a 2-part is definitely appreciated.
"Frodo believed him?"
Movie Frodo is not very bright.
Love your reactions and can't wait until Part 2.
24:49 Pelagir, second city of Gondor. This explains why Minas Tirith didn't have as many armies as planned, they were busy defending from a multi-pronged attack all along the boarders and coastlines. Also, Sauron had launched attacks against the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain and against the Elves in Lothlorien and Mirkwood. Fortunately the Dwarves and humans in Dale could retreat into the mountain, the Elves of Mirkwood into their underground city, and the power of Galadriel defended the Lothlorien... but that was Sauron's plan, not to defeat the Dwarves and Elves, but keep them busy so they couldn't aid Gondor... for Minas Tirith was the strongest military installation the Western lands had left...if it fell all would fall soon after.
I love your reactions! Found another fan on a Discord server and we praised the fact that you chose to do LOTR. Ok, am gonna watch the vid now, but thanks for the content!
thank you for being the best reaction channel out there! it's amazing how you get so much information from the movies and pay attention to everything, love your videos!!! ✨
The seeing stones/orbs (the Palantir) weren’t made by Sauron, but he has one of them, allowing him to see through all of the other stones
Which is why in The Fellowship, Saruman shows Gandalf his palantir and Gandalf warns him that he shouldn’t be using it because many of the other 7 palantiri have been lost and they are not all accounted for. They are no longer sure who all could be watching. But there are actually 4 that we know of: 1 in the Grey Havens with the Elves, 1 in Orthanc with Saruman, 1 that Denethor has in Minas Tirith (unfortunately only hinted at in the movies, and is a reason why Denethor has become corrupted by Sauron), and 1 that was captured in Minas Ithil when it was conquered, and it ended up with Sauron, rendering the use of any palantiri to become dangerous.
Eeeeiiiiii SO MUCH AWESOME STILL TO COME. Just binged your LOTR reactions and loving them. Very excited for part 2!
Literally just checked if you had uploaded this lets goooooo
I did the exact same lol
Really enjoying your reactions to what have been my favorite books and movies since I was a kid. Can't wait for part 2!
Mithrandir is a elven translation of his literal name, while Gandalf is his a common name.
Yeah, his original name is Olorin from before he was sent to middle earth
No, they're not. The names he uses in Middle-Earth are descriptive. Mithrandir means "grey pilgrim" in Sindarin. And Gandalf means "elf man with a staff" in Westron.
thank you for the correction I guess my info wasnt entirely correct
@@iceicejay9569 No problem ^^ Eärendil is descended of all the houses of the Edain, though. And he and Elwing represented both elves and men, due to their heritage. Which is what mattered.
Olórin means "Dreamer" or "Of Dreams".
Great reaction,
I don't know if anyone's already mentioned this but, (in the books) whenever one of the Nazgul make that noise they do, it in a literal sense strikes fear into the hearts of those around it. That's why you see everyone looking scared, stopping and putting their hands over their ears whenever they make that screaming-ish noise. They are being filled with fear.
When do you intend to upload the last part?
FYI - Denethor’s behavior in the movie is far more severe than in the book. He still had some redeeming qualities in the book. (yes, he’s really hatable in the movie)
This is in my opinion the best film trilogy of all time. Even the Godfather which I think is pretentious.
I’ve said it time and time again it’s the greatest Movie Trilogy of all time and I don’t think any will ever beat it. I’ll have to do a review on them soon enough myself but I’ve just started Reactions and just done The Dark Knight another amazing Movie in an Amazing trilogy, though not as good as LOTR!
I agree, and disagree with you. In my opinion, as a full set of films, LotR is probably the best film trilogy of all time. Even more impressive is that it's an adaptation. There are a few that come close, the Godfather I disagree with your remark about being pretentious. That series is almost as well made. Also, one of the best examples of film acting IMO, but I believe the scope, and technichal achievements of LotR sets it apart. The Dark Knight Trilogy as someone mentioned, was fantastic, as were the original Star Wars films.
I do have to say, in my opinion, as stand alone films both Godfather 2, and Dark Knight, were better than any of the LotR movies. Return of the King I have as a close number 3 behind those two though. At the end of the day, as I said, I don't believe anything beats the Lord of the Rings as a full trilogy.
@@CreamyPesto505 Godfather is boring. Some people adore it while others don't
"Mithrandir" is Gandalf's Sindarin (elvish) name. A dialect of Sindarin was spoken in Gondor, which is why Faramir calls him that, as well.
As soon as Arwen made her decision, the light of Eldar essentially started draining from her. As one of the "half elven" through her father, her (and her brothers in the books) had the choice to remain immortal as an elf or become mortal. The elves weren't made to remain in Middle Earth indefinitely. If they try to they would eventually fade and become wraiths, which is why they have to sail west over the Sundering Seas to Valinor. The power of the Elven rings of power that Galadriel and Elrond have have the ability to delay time so they've been able to create kind of safe havens in Rivendell and Lorien for elves that don't yet want to sail west to Valinor.
Legolas's reference to "war marching on their own lands" refers to the Northern Theater where Easterlings from Rhun attacked Dale and Erebor in the Battle of Dale (100k dwarves and 50k men vs. 200k easterlings), Orcs from Dol Goldur in Mirkwood attacked Thranduil's realm in the Battle Under the Trees and also attacked Lorien.
Smeagol was one of the riverfolk.
Minas Morgul was once called minas Ithil. It was a city of Men but it fell during the war against the dark lord army and became Minas Morgul. I'm impressed you actually made the connection by yourself that quick. Your attention to details is refreshing!! Love your videos
thank youuuuu i love your reactions
He’s truly amazing and inspiration to the rest of us isn’t he!
@11:14. That is Minas Morgul, a big city built by the Numenoreans. They built it in the Second Age to protect themselves of Orc filth running through their lands. When Sauron captured this bastion, they named it Minas Morgul. Minas Ithil is also the name of the white tree you saw in the courtyard in Minas Tirith (the first tree of Gondor). Sauron uses the Palantir that was housed in Minas Ithil when he took it over from the Numenoreans. Saruman used the palantir in Isengard in the Tower of Orthanc to keep a closer eye on things. There was also a Palantir in Amon Sûl, the big watchtower where Frodo got stabbed by the Witch King of Angmar. Palantiri were available to the biggest kingdoms in Middle Earth before the War of the Ring began.
I hope you like a little bit of backstory. Maybe this clears up a couple things about the use of Palantiri and Minas Morgul having a Gondorian appearance.
Minas Tirith - Tower of the Sun
Minas Morgul - Tower of the Moon
Congrats on connecting those deep-lore dots, as far as I know I haven't seen any other reactor catch that one; pleasure watching you as always.
Also on why Arwen is dying. Short version is, all rings are tied to the One Ring. Everything created by and all powers stemming from the rings of power are tainted by the One.
So it's the classic problem of, if the One Ring isn't destroyed, then Sauron eventually regains it and it will be the end of the world; however if the One Ring is destroyed, then all powers and everything created through all other rings will fade away. Lesser of two evils says to destroy it, and it lends an extra layer of depth and sadness to the heroism of the elves who chose to stay behind and fight with mankind.
...Or, in Arwen's specific case, the decision to stay behind for the love of a human and willingly give up that power and immortality even before the eventual fading is added to her own personal choice.
Minas Ithil, you mean.
Minas Ithil translates to Tower of the Moon. Minas Morgul is Tower of Black Sorcery.
So to answer some questions...
1. When Arwen 'chooses' a mortal life it goes back to the song that Aragorn sings in the first movie, the tale of Beren and Lúthien. (Human and Elf lovers) Beren dies in combat attempting to earn the right to be with his love Lúthien, but she loved him so much that she begged Mandos (Angel in charge of mortal fates) to take her immortality in exchange for them to live what time they had left together. They eventually had children and then a few generations later...Elrond and his brother Elros. Both of them were offered the chance to live as humans, or as elves due to their half-bloodness...Elrond chose Elf, and Elros chose human, he became the first King of Numenor and is why the Dúnedain has long lives... Soo in short, Arwen is giving up her Elven immortality to kinda barter with the fates of the world, and make the same deal...to live for the rest of her life with Aragorn...
2. Arwen's fate is tied to the ring. This is more symbolic...as if the ring isn't destroyed then evil will take over...she can no longer go west with the elves, so if Man is wiped out she dies with them.
3.Gandalf is called Mithrandir because it is what the elves call him in Sindarin, therefore it's the closest thing to his 'real' name. Though he enjoyed the name Gandalf that the shire folk gave him.
4. Stars are not really directly worshiped, more like...what they represent. Science isn't the same on middle earth as it is here...like originally the planet, known as Arda...was actually a floating disc...
5. Yes, Gondor controlled all of the area and even most of Mordor (at it's height). Minas Morgal, originally Minas Ithil, was a Gondorian fortress the guarded the mountain path, and contained a Palantíri (Seeing stones)
6. Palantíri or Seeing Stones, were created a REALLY long time ago, and were mainly used in the 2nd age to communicate over long distances. For example you might have 3-4 Palantíri, and spread them across your Kingdom to send important messages. The reason they are dangerous, is because Souron obtained one when he captured Minas Morgal and therefore is able to use his overwhelming power to invade the mind of anyone who uses it... They are not inherently evil.
When is part 2 comin’ out?
In 2 or 3 days I believe
Silv3rXs yay.
4:10 The fireball didn't happen in the books though 😅
11:20 that city was taken over by sauron and became a fortress for the witchking
16:10 Mithrandir is his name in the elvish common tongue "sindarin"
When are you posting part two?
My favorite quote in TLOTR comes from Faramir. "War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."
Last time I‘ve been this early Arya Stark still was underage
Hahaha now that tickled me lol
Cant wait for part 2. Never thougt i would get the idea to click on the notification bel by myself.
"Mithrandir" is Gandalf's elven and proper name. "Gandalf" is the name given to him by men.
not quite, mithrandir is his elven name true, and gandalf was also a name given to him, but his true name is Olórin.
The black stone in Isengard is called a Palantir, and it's basically kind of like a crystal ball, but there are several of them, and they are all linked.
This means that if you use one, someone else using another can look into your mind, possibly even influence it. To stop this, you need to have a stronger will than the person trying to see into you.
Saruman's will was weaker than Sauron's, so he was able to read him like an open book and break him mentally, ultimately twisting and corrupting him.
Denethor, the Steward of Gondor ALSO had a Palantir, and had successfully used it to see into Sauron's mind and his plans, and use that knowledge to defend Gondor for a long time. He actually managed to beat him in a battle of wills, and prevent Sauron from influencing or reading him, but these battles left him old, haggard, and slightly unhinged.
The dead city (Minas Morgul) was the sister city of Minas Tirith and was called Minas Ithil before Sauron took it over and made it the stronghold of the Nazgul.
Denethor had one of the palantirs in his citadel, so he was basically being driven mad by what he was seeing in it, and is why he knew what was coming.
10:22 Yes Sauron can manipulate the weather. And he can erupt the month doom whenever he wants to creating smoke clouds to protect his armies from the sunlight. He can control the normal clouds tho, he did it when the war of the elves and Sauron began after the creation of the One Ring.
P.s In the books, Saruman doesn't have such power of manipulating the weather unlike Sauron. Only Sauron and Manwe (Leader of the Valar and King of the Arda(Earth)) has this power/ability
Especially the soundtrack itself makes the movie absolutely TOP ☝️🏼☝️🏼☝️🏼❤️
It really helps to think of Gandolf and the other wizards as angels sent to middle earth to watch over the world as immortal protectors. Gandolf as "the grey" was second in charge. Once Saroman betrayed middle earth, Gandolf was given the powers of the white.
As always, awesome video. Really do enjoy how observant you are with them and your genuinely great reactions! Keep up the great work
I have never been so excited for someone else to see a movie's end.
I waited 25 years to see my favorite book get adapted into an epic trilogy by Peter Jackson so that the rest of the world could share in my joy and in an excellent work of literature.
I appreciate your attention to detail. You pick up on so much that first-time watchers generally don't.
I like your movie reactions very much because you follow the scenes very carefully and also appreciate the details and small scenes. Looking forward to part 2 😊👍
Wow he payed attention to so many details like when he said "Mina's morgus felt to evil" he was right!
Good catch about Minas Mogal. It was once the Gondorian city of Minas Ithal, but it fell to Mordor about 1400 years before the events of Lord of the Rings. The Witch King after he was driven from Angmar in the north, took Minas Morgal as his new Keep.
I very enjoyed your reaction :) There are things that I m usualy expecting in movie reactions video :)
1. Appreciation for the work and artistry of the movie. Any movie but esp Jackson's adaptations :)
2. Critical thinking about its possible mistakes. You have the right to be confused about "dying Arwen" topic becouse it was not in the book but it could be explained in the movie universe at least on 3 levels :)
3. And focus on details of the worldbuilding and narration and thinking during the watching - I mean I like that you can remember past scenes and connect dots :)
Your reactions are the best and you actually pay attention to the movies, great video!
There are multiple languages in Middle Earth. Mithrandir is Gandalf’s name in Sindarin, which is a tongue that a lot of men but especially men of Gondor speak. Gandalf is his name in Westron. He has other names in other languages but those are his main ones.
You’re correct about the stars. The elves in particular are close to Lady Varda, the Vala of the Stars and Queen of the Valar. They also call her Elbereth.
When Elrond says that “the light of the Eldar is leaving you,” the elves are also known as the Eldar and as mentioned, deeply associated with the light of the stars. So the light of the Eldar leaving her is akin to saying “the immortality of our people is leaving you.” Shes mortal now.
YESS THIS IS WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR!!! I hope you’re recording the next half RIGHT NOW!!!
He gets the term and stuff so fast. Also I love that he's like theorizing about the origins of stuff and is actually guessing correctly a lot of the time.
I legit gasped when the video ended, I was so into it. But it's a good choice to split it into two parts. Can't wait for the next one!