John Deere 400 VS Bolens HT20
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- It's finally getting warmer outside and it's pleasant to be out and about with the tractors. A while back I received a great suggestion for a video, as I rebuilt the Bolens HT20 and the JD400 garden tractors. A subscriber suggested I should compare both of these tractors as they are very similar.
So I came up with a comparison video today and I will discuss all the features which are similar, but different at the same time.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:51 Drivetrain
02:43 Rear-End
03:55 Brake System
04:40 Fuel System
05:45 Hydraulic System
09:05 Tractor Tires
11:44 Weight Comparison
14:45 PTO System
16:50 Steering System
18:37 Summary / Outro - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I have had a jd400 for 28 years. The thing is a work horse!!! I have many attachments 60” mower, front hydraulic blade, a front 2 stage snow blower, the 3 point hitch and rear pto, rear tiller, rear grading blade, rear ballast box, to add weight to the rear because I have the front end loader as well. I also have an extra set of rear wheels with the ag tires filled and have two sets of wheel weights I can stack. I also have turf rear tires like you and have chains for them in the winter. Like I said the machine is a work horse. I replaced my K532 with a K582 23hp. Runs nice. I wish they still made a machine today as well built!!!
Thank you for sharing your awesome experience story about your JD 400😃👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 I believe every word you say and I bet with a little bit of maintenance you Deere will last you many more years to come!!
You have literally every attachment and I could only wish for them...but they are getting hard to find here in central Alberta. The K582 must give it that extra power!! Enjoy your time and maybe you‘ll be able to add more Deere tractors to your collection (if you don‘t already have one)😉
Regards Andreas
Great comparison. I'm shopping right now and I think the Bolens sounded better for my needs.
Picked up JD400 1982 blade and mower non running
Very detailed and informative!! Great job on both rigs, you are a true professional!
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it! It's always nice when subscribers reach out for specific videos and give me an idea of what I can share with them. They have both been stripped down to pieces and I'm glad I remembered how they go back togther! Thanks again for your kind words!! Enjoy your weekend
I had the HD 20. Even though you have 2 spools the deck has hydraulic lift, lower, and float. The deck lift cylinder is also used for front or rear attachments to raise and lower. That's why you can raise lower and tilt left or right with the plow and snowblower attachment.
That's awesome! The valve controls are very simple on the Bolens HT20 and I really like them. Hopefully the information you stated in this comment can be passed onto other viewers as well. Thanks for sharing this! Regards Andreas
Man I love both tractors! This was such a good video and the intro was just awesome. Keep it up man
They are both very impressive and they share many similarities. Thank you, I always try and find new ideas, but this was recommended by a subscriber. I appreciate all the support and help. Cheers
You have some really nice garden tractors there
Thank you very much! Both have been restored and I had a blast working on them. Regards Andreas
I have a Bolens 1700 eliminator with a Kohler KT 17 and I would give it up for any John Deere. It is a beast.
The John Deere would definitely be an upgrade for you, especially from your Bolens 1700 eliminator. You would really enjoy the extra horsepower, and all around comfortably.
Maybe you‘ll find one in your area for a good deal😎👍🏽 Regards Andreas
You have 2 beautifully restored tractors. Great videos, I've subscribed. I just bought a JD 400 that hasn't run in 10-12 years. Still in the back of my Chevy (shorty) van, It fills it up back there. Waiting for nicer weather. No attachments yet...hope I can locate something. I bought a Wheelhorse GT14 last spring with a tiller, and was given a JD240 last summer. Have some work to do.
Thank you for your kind words and support!😃 You picked up an awesome project and it‘s crazy how you fit that into your van. It‘s really a good idea to start to work on anything mechanical when you have a little bit of heat or some nicer weather. The JD 400 will only accept JD 400 attachments, so before you purchase anything double check the serial numbers.
Your smaller tractors are awesome and I bet you can get a lot of work done with them. Both tractors have their strengths and you‘ll have a nice collection once they all run the way you want them to.
I wish you success on your projects😎🤙🏽 Regards Andreas
Nice tractors. None of my garden tractors are quite that big. The ones you have are classified as Super garden tractors. As far as I know. I would like to have either one of those tractors. 👍🏻👍🏻👋👋
Thanks and have a great day.
Thank you very much! Maybe you'll have the opportunity to pick up a bigger garden tractor like the ones in this video in the near future. The JD was declared as the "Super" garden tractor back in the day as it featured the 3-point hitch mechanism and driveshaft. They are both great machines and capable of many tasks. Thanks for tuning in! Regards Andreas
A closer comparison would be the HT23 since it has a 2 speed rear end and power steering. But either way.. these machines are capable of a lot more than people think. I use my HT20 on my 8 acre vegetable farm and it does everything I ask of it.
Correct the Bolens HT23 does have the power steering and the 2-speed rear end, which would make it better to compare. Then again the HT23 has a 23 HP engine that will probably outwork the JD400... There will always be pros and cons about every machine and it's hard to choose one machine! A subscriber gave me this video idea and I thought it is a great topic to discuss.
These machines are extremely well built and anyone with a larger acreage will be able handle almost every task with one of these garden tractors. I'm glad you to hear that you're still using your Bolens HT20 until this day on your vegetable farm. Truly AMAZING! Let's hope with a little bit of love it'll last you many more years. Enjoy -Andreas
I own a jd 400 and I absolutely love it. my father owns 2 318 jd tractors an they are very well built as well. as far as the Bolens ht20 or Bowens in general I've only ever watched videos on them. there aren't many around my area an there normally trashed. thanks for the video on the Bolens, I really don't know much about them
Thanks for the feedback and thank you for sharing your side of the story! The John Deere 400 is a great machine and it can take on quite a bit of work with the correct attachments. The 318 is basically a JD400 in a smaller package which is nice if you have tight areas to maintain. I'd really like to find a 318 in the future, but who knows (I've already got too many projects). It depends where you are located. Some States and Provinces sold more than others, therefore you will find the deals or non-running tractors in those areas. As for the HT20 I have, it's quite rare here in AB, Canada. Maybe you'll find a decent one in the near future. Best regards -Andreas
Nice video these two tractors are definitely very close in size and power I’ve been sick at home the past few days and this is one of the only things that has made me smile
Thanks a lot Will! They are very close and it really is a "head-on-head" comparison between these two amazing machines. I hope you get well ASAP so you can enjoy more time on repairing some equipment of yours. Have a great weekend. Best regards
@@WorkshopRebuild thanks I have the wheel horse in the garage and it’s ready to be painted the deck has been completely rebuilt alreayd
Great work! You always have projects on the go as well. It'll look great once it's done and you'll have anice looking tractor too!
@@WorkshopRebuild yeah I can’t wait I’m taking it in a parade hopefully I get it done I have a little under a month so if the weather stays nice I can paint prep work takes the longest but the paint shows your prep work and how well you did I wanted to put a few decals on that have seen sad shape but I couldn’t find any and if I tape over them and clean them up it will still look good
If you want a nice paintjob for many years to come, it's important to prep everything very well. You do not want to rush this part of the rebuild. If you have some nice weather it will speed up your process. Maybe you can find a local decal store which will scan them and print them for you. I hope this helps.
Wow amazing to find a bolens tiller I've never even seen one.
I believe it was made for a smaller Bolens tractor, but it is just as big as the JD tiller. Everything is included, hookup points to the rear of the Bolens HT20 (custom made by the previous owner) and an extra long driveshaft that reaches all the way to the PTO. I've never hooked it up before, but maybe I'll try that out sooner than later. Best regards
When you lock up the locker on the Boles rear end, you will pull that green thing all over the yard and road
Hi there, unfortunately this Bolens HT20 does not have a diff-lock! I'm not sure if the upgraded HT23 had them, but either way it would pull the JD 400 because of the weight difference. Drivetrain-wise these tractors are very similar, a 20HP engine driving a hydrostatic rear end. It would be a great battle! Cheers
On my old g14 the locking feature was enabled by turning the hub to lock it in.
@@guyletourneau6167Tube Frames have the locking rear, but Large Frames do not.
The original Bolens muffler gave the tractor some styling that the JD400 just didn’t have. Try and find one in good shape and make a gasket. But I see you have lots of fun attachments for the ht20 👍Thank you for the video!
I agree, the original Bolens HT20 muffler did look good going forward and with the heatshield it had some great styling. Unfortunately I do not have the original and the previous owner added this stack, and it actually looks quite decent...but it's very loud! I will keep my eyes open for an original if it's the right price. A mower deck would be awesome, but I'm thankful for the two attachments I currently have. Thank you for your feedback and Best regards -Andreas
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Thanks for your comparison! I agree that the Bolens is the more rugged machine. The later HT23 with the Eaton 11 hydro had the high/low feature.
You're more than welcome! I thought it would be great to showcase these two tractors as I've made them both fully functional now. I did know the HT23 had the bigger engine, but I didn't know they had the 2-speed rear end. Maybe this would be more comparable to the JD 420 garden tractor. It would be cool if I would find an HT23, but that's probably even more rare over here in Alberta than an HT20! Thanks for your feedback and have a great week - Andreas
Bolens front PTO powers: single or dual speed snow blowers, front reel mower and probably a pavement cleaning brush. The HT 20 also was designed for a mid mount sickle bar cutter and if course a mid mount rotary mower. I had a J.D. 400 at one time as well as my bolens collection but I sold it as I never really liked the forward/reverse lever. The Bolens had the forward/reverse movement on the right pedal which to me is superior to a lever. Hope u r doing well!! Greetings from West Virginia.
That is great information about all attachments that can be mounted onto the Bolens HT20! Speaking of a sickle bar, I'd love to see one come up for sale in my area...but that's very unlikely! I agree with you. The JD 400 forward/reverse is not the best feature, since it takes away one hand from steering. On the HT20 it is much more user friendly to operate and in todays world you will see that almost every machine has the forward & reverse as a foot pedal! I hope you're enjoying your Bolens garden tractor. I am doing well thanks for asking and I hope you are too!! Regards -Andreas
I honestly prefer the Deere they always were on top of offering reliable features and advancing in comfort and styling where bolens was nearly the same style for 20 years and they look like a cheaper more blocky tractor than the Deere and look more complex to drive and you made no mention of the individual turning brakes on the Deere which are an invaluable feature when you’re doing any kind of work
Both great GT’s. I like the Bolens a bit better, but wouldn’t mind owning either.
I fully agree with you, they are both great Garden Tractors! That's a great choice, with a little bit more rear weight it would suit your needs hauling firewood around! Maybe you'll find a nice GT like this in the near future near you if you don't already have enough projects... haha. Enjoy your weekend
Man, I could go either way. I need to mow, move snow preferably with a snow blower and simple yard upkeep. Pull grass plugger and spreader and maybe the tiller for my neighbors yard. I think the JD would be more versatile in those respects.
It really isn't an easy question, especially since they both have pros and cons! The JD400 is a great machine and you can still find quite a few attachments for it. This would make it a great machine for your yard upkeep! The Bolens is also a wonderful machine, but it is a couple years older and that might an issue when it comes to attachments. Thanks for your amazing comment Jaime! Regards Andreas
Your tractor shed must be getting full? Congrats 👏
It is quite full and there are still some projects to finish up! It's a never ending story, but it's keeping me busy. I hope to update the shop with some machinery to help finalize my upcoming projects...Thanks a lot Charles. Best regards
Have a 400. They JD, for some reason made the pto gearbox run at 800 rpm on the output shaft and not 540 like all tractors great and small. Only a model 35 or 35a tiller will work.
Maybe they feel that higher input rpm to the tiller tiller gearbox with different gears to match tiller tine speed will wear better under extreme loads?
Used pto shafts and gearboxes are ridiculously expensive!
When you were rebuilding both tractors, how was getting parts for the repairs ?? Expensive, hard to find or whatever. I personally like all tractors so giving you a pick would be hard. ONE more thing fella, if you have space for needle bearings under the steering axle shafts, which is about 1/8 to 3/16 extra thickness between the front axle and wheel spindles your tractor will feel like you have some power assist. The friction reduction that one gets from this added feature really works Sir. Just my two cents worth !!
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Hi, I have a Bolens HT 20. I'm wondering ( I'm far from being a mechanic ) about going from a mechical fuel pump to electrical fuel pump. What or how do I connect the electrical part of the electrical fuel pump? Do I just connect it the battery or to something else? Also is it a special fuel pump that is made for tractors? Thank you!
There are low pressure (12V) fuel pumps out there that will work for a garden tractor. These fuel pumps usually just have two wires (red and black). To wire one of these, you will have to wire the black wire (negative = ground) to your frame. The red wire on the other hand will have to be tied into the ignition switch. You will need to find a common "HOT" wire when you key is in the ON position and when your key is in the start position. You can then splice into that wire and attach it to the red wire from the fuel pump.
It's really not all too hard, it's just a matter of finding the correct wire and locating a good position to mount your fuel pump. This will be anywhere between your fuel tank and your engine. I hope this helps. Cheers
Good vid, but could you do something about the volume, I've got it all the way up and it's still pretty quiet. Thanks
Hello and thank you very much, I appreciate it! I've checked this video and several videos on three different devices and have not found an issue with the audio levels on CZcams. I do not have a microphone on me, so voice levels may change and I try my best to level them in post-production. Moving forward, I will put more focus towards voice levels and hopefully I can upgrade my setup to a clip-on microphone. Thank you for your honest feedback, it really helps me grow as a creator! Best regards -Andreas
What snow blower would you recommend for the 400? I know the model 50 is supposed to be the most compatible, but is there a way to modify a newer one?
Hello Jorge, that is a really good question! I had a conversation with a fellow JD enthusiast about this topic (JD 400 Snowblower). The JD 400 has a specific PTO rpm, which has a peak output of 2000rpm. For the Rototiller and the Snowblower, John Deere used the same reduction gearbox (Input 1/ Output 1.5). The Snowblower has a drive sprocket mechanism that will allow the rotor to run at 945rpm (max rpm). This means the rotor sprocket is around 30% smaller than the drive sprocket.
This will help you if you want to find a suitable snowblower, as it is a very special setup! Not only are the rpm's special, but also the mounting points.
As we went back and forth to find a solution on a suitable snowblower for his JD 400, an original model 50 snowblower popped up for sale in his area for a great deal.
I would highly suggest you find an original snowblower that might need a little bit of repair (bearings, rotor, sheet metal etc.), because it will make life much easier when you mount it onto your tractor.
If you are mechanically inclined, you can probably make one work and adapt a reduction gearbox to any existing snowblower, but there might be a lot of modification involved...
With that said, I hope you find a good solution that works best for you and if you find a solution, please let me know. Regards -Andreas
@@WorkshopRebuild thanks for the excellent reply! Incredibly informative. I’m moving to a place with a decent amount of property and had my eyes on a 1979 JD 400 with the 60” mower deck. The original Kohler engine was overhauled and now it has 625 hours on it. The asking price is $2400. The hydraulics and PTOs I believe will come in handy in the future for carrying wood around the property with a mini buck front loader that I would eventually buy. My other option is to get a cub cadet GT2554, in mint condition, replaced oversized back tires, a factory snow plow, the 54” deck and weights for $1600. I’m torn. Cub cadet seems like a good deal for mowing and plowing, but the JD400 seems like it has more ways to upgrade to an actual property tractor. Any advice? Thank you in advance. Your videos are great!!
Sorry for my late reply. I always try to respond as fast as I possibly can.
Both options you have in front of you are very good deals! The JD400 is built more like a tractor compared to the Cub Cadet GT2554.
In other words, you will be able to get more out of the JD400 when it comes to heavy-duty work. You can find 3 point hitches for a reasonable price and you will have a VERY versatile machine, that will be able to grade, plow and much more.
The Cub on the other hand is cheaper, but it will act more like a lawn-mower even though it has a 23hp engine in it. It is a great machine with a great turning radius, but I just think the JD400 would suit you better if you're moving to an acreage.
At the end of the day it's totally up to you, so I hope you choose what works best for you! -Andreas
A step up on the Deere is the 420.Heavier taller and bigger wheels plus power steering. I've worked on a lot of Deere's and i have one as well as a restored QT-16 that is a work horse that has had 0 problems as compared tot he Deere.....
I agree the JD 420 garden tractor is a step up and a little bit newer in this regard. Options like power steering, compared to the power assisted steering is a complete difference!
You seem to have great garden tractor models and I have only heard good things about the Bolens QT series😃👍🏽 Unfortunately I‘ve never seen one in person...
The JD‘s have much more going on and therefore you‘ll have more failure points. When kept clean and maintained, they last very long as well and I admire both make and models (Bolens & JD). Thanks for your insight, it‘s much appreciated😊 Regards Andreas
I have both the 420 and 400 and I actually prefer the 400. The wheels are actually the same size and machines just about but the Kohler is a much more rugged engine and easier to get parts for. The Onan is smoother but had lots of failure point issues and requires more maintenance. And trust me I've seen it all. I do like the bigger 420 fuel tank and better steering and the differential lock though.
I have no problem getting Onan parts direct from Cummins.Only parts i had to replace on the Onan has been Points and a float +needle and seat. Onan engines are found in most RV gensets because they are so reliable.Can't say that for Kohler..@@captainedc
I'm a John Deere Guy and I'd rather have the Bolens. Can't find a single one here in Texas.
Very interesting to hear that! Not many JD-enthusiasts would say that out loud. It's even hard for me to choose one over the other, as they are both great machines in their own way. Count me in, here in Alberta (Canada) I haven't seen another large frame for sale! A pretty rare little machine. Cheers -Andreas
I have yet to see one for sale.
That tells me two things.
People won't sell them and/or, there aren't many out there in comparison.
That is right! Most likely they are still used today or maybe they are out in a barn or a field and nobody cares about them anymore...either way, I hope you come across one in the near future. They are neat machines. Cheers
Parts availability and any clever work around also any repowering. We got rid of our Bolens after about 40 years parts like the hydrostatics. Because of parts,Can these be used again for general purpose instead of show? Oh mufflers replacement at an economy price
Hi do you have a tractor with a gear or belt drive ?
Yes a few
Definitely prefer the Bolens. I had an HT23 that had the hi/low transmission. John Deere is just an over-priced, overrated wannabe compared to Bolens. Bolens invented the riding tractor, the engine-powered tractor, & the treadle pedal that everyone now uses. They are beefier and stronger. They did it first, they did it best.
Thanks for your honest opinion and knowledge you shared here. I am aware of the Bolens HT23, but I did not know that they has the Hi-Lo Transmission. Do you know if it was made by Peerless? The John Deere 400 probably sold well due to the styling/looks (that's just what I think). That is correct FMC had various patents ranging all the way to the foot-control for the hydro! Very cool indeed!! I gave the Bolens many Bonus Points in this video since it has so many neat features. Thanks again, Best regards -Andreas
I know this is old but I love the something is better than Deere comments, usually red guys, Oliver guys and now a bolens guy. Can someone tell me which one is still standing? If something is better it will with stand but none of them did and now bolens is part of trash mtd. John Deere hate is hilarious to me and usually comes from people who never even owed one.
I have a 400.
I wish it had a track lock and foot control forward and back like my LX289.
Using the loader can be cumbersome at times. Need 3 hands.
The front AND rear hydraulic is nice on the Bolens and may be added to my 400. That would let me run a hydraulic tiller.
The Bolens only having H2 wouldn't work for me. I have a loader and 3point.
A very nice tractor! Those features would be a huge bonus indeed. I've seen some members change the hand control to a foot control, but there must be quite a bit of fab-work involved.
I fully understand that a loader can be hard to handle while maintaining the forward & reverse! Running extra hoses to the back wouldn't be that hard on the JD400...originally they had an optional kit for the rear auxiliary lines. It's probably cheaper to get them done at an automotive store instead of finding the original kit.
Correct, H2 wouldn't be sufficient enough for that much hydraulic power needed. H3 is the way to go, but both tractors should be capable of supplying the same amount of pressure as they have the exact same charge pump. I hope you have success on your rear Aux-setup. Best regards Andreas
Personally when I drive my buddies jd 400 I’m afraid to go in high range it’s scary fast and the steering wobbles side to side the the steering is worn and it’s it’s to control the tractor I think it goes 11 mph top speed
It is very fast in Hi-Speed and it can be a very bouncy ride on uneven terrain! The seat spring almost makes it worse haha. I hope you feel more safe in Lo-speed. It's actually more than enough, unless you really have to drive a distance. Cheers
The Bolens front tires are the same front tires that came on the early John Deere 200 series tractors from the factory
I did not know that! Thanks for sharing your knowledge, I appreciate it. Regards -Andreas
I need to put a connecting rod in my 400
I hope you can get that sorted out so you have a running tractor again. The Kohler K532 is a great little engine and if you need any info on this engine you can check out the Rebuild Video I did on mine: czcams.com/video/AjbQKRJXOww/video.html
I hope this helps and good luck! Regards -Andreas
Did the John Deere 400 use wheel cylinder like car drum breaks do?
The drum brake expand on a pivot block. All mechanical, not hydraulic nor electric.
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The 400 I wanna get has stuck break, I may have to use some persuasion to get them off.
Where did you get your John Deere 400’s seat?
@@ThatMowerMan you‘ll probably want to remove the brake drum to get that brake sorted out
i own a bolens ht20 and a bolens ht23 and i just want to know it my bolens ht20 is modified becuse it have power steering and the bolens ht23 had when i got it power steering
Both are lovely machines! That is correct the Bolens HT20 did have power steering back in the day. This comparison I made here was more fair, as both of these tractors share the same engine. I hope you enjoy your garden tractors. Best regards
@@WorkshopRebuildthanks for the information now i know. the first video i saw on your channel was amazing like all of your videos. keep up the good work man
Thank you for your input!! Your comments are just as valuable, as they reach many other viewers too. I'm always trying my best and hopefully I can share more content in the near future. I appreciate your support. Regards -Andreas
I take the bolens h20
That's a great choice! Thanks for tuning in, Regards Andreas
what year is john deer
The John Deere 400 in this video was produced in 1975. Early model 400’s featured a front exhaust tip through the grill and later models had a side exhaust through the engine side panel.
What does FMC mean?
Art from Ohio
Hello Art, that's a great question! FMC was the company that designed and built these FMC Bolens HT20 garden tractors. FMC stands for Food Machinery and Chemical Corporation.
They are still in business today, but they no longer offer any garden tractors for sale. Regards Andreas
@@WorkshopRebuild Well, I suppose if you use it in the GARDEN it would be FOOD machinery. Ha! Thanks for the info.
Art from Ohio
You got that right😁! I do have a Rototiller for the Bolens, so it suits the company name just fine. Cheers from Alberta
You can deff tell this guy has a bias towards the bolens lol.
I hope it didn't come over that way! I really don't have a bias for either one of these tractors, nor do I favor one manufacturer over the other. They both have pros and cons and I tried to highlight this in my video. I was hoping it would help some viewers understand the differences between these two garden tractors in case they are looking to get one for themselves.
Regards Andreas
@@WorkshopRebuildthings like you prefer to open the hood and re fuel next to a hot engine? Compared to not opening a hot hood, removing a cap and refueling without concern of a hot engine. That screams bias. Also throw some wheel weights on the 400 and it will be heavier than the bolens, according to you, heavier better. Wish it was a comparison video without bias instead of a let me tell you how much i like bolens more than deere
Boldens no, John Deere yes!
The John Deere is impressive!