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2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV - EV Range Test | Mixed Driving Efficiency
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- čas přidán 24. 03. 2022
- The Hyundai Tucson PHEV is one of a handful of plug-in hybrid compact crossovers for sale today. It has a nice powertrain, but it's not the smoothest option, and it cannot run on EV alone as easily as the Toyota RAV4.
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Hi Charly, if you change the display on the dashboard in ECO mode from Charge/Eco/Power to rpm/min you will see, that once the engine kicks in it will remain on about 1200rpm/min. When you accelerate now you will notice that the rev of the engine does not change, unless you floor it, but remains at about 1200rpm/min. That means, that even the engine is running, the car is driven solely by electric power even though the green EV indicator in the dashboard is off. The engine stops when the interior temperature of the car reaches the temp set on climate control. It kicks in again when the temp falls to a certain level. So, while the engine is kicking in for heating purposes, it is not used to move the car. Except, of course, when there is a driving situation where the combined power is required but then the engine would kick in even when the climate control is witched off which you have noticed during your test drive. The petrol consumption of the engine for the heating only is approx. 1.9l/100km (0.4 gal/62mph) with an outside temp of 0C (32F) and interior temp set on the climate control to 22C (71F). Of course, it is arguable whether a PHEV car should use the engine or the battery for heating the interior, but it should be remembered that a PHEV is not an EV car with a much bigger battery capacity and fast charging capability which a PHEV does not have.
He wants a free Toyota. Stop ruining his plan with logic
@@Nightwing01010 I did not want to ruin his plan just to set the record straight. A serious car reviewer should at least know the basics of the car he is reviewing. By the way, the 1.9l/100km consumption for heating purposes stated in my comment is on the high side reading it after a trip of only 2km. On a longer trip (30km) the consumption for heating purposes went down to 0.3l/100km. Personally, I prefer that the engine is used for heating up the car, rather than the battery which will cut considerably into the distance one can run the car in EV mode.
This was actually very helpful to see. I have the Santa Fe phev. Very good, but I was wondering why it wasn't saying ev even though I would set it to ev mode.
Hi. I've got the same Tucson. At first, the max i could get was about 37 miles the first few thousand miles. Then i learned how to drive it. You drive it the same way I did, constantly holding the acceleration, almost never leaving to just "slide" with no gas. Also, a huge note for this car for both EV and hybrid mode - it's way waaay better to accelerate with more power and then use the momentum till the next traffic light or turn, or whatever. Yes, gas consumption skyrockets or EV range drops for the first few seconds, but i've tested it a hundred times. It's much better than starting slow and leaving ur foot on the pedal the whole time. The idea is to use the momentum so the battery recharges, don't forget it does that not only when you hit the break. The past 2 months out of 14 charges i haven't dropped under 58 miles of full EV range and max is 62.5. You just gotta learn how to drive it. Same goes with Hybrid mode. When my wife drives it, she can barely get 25 mpg, and i'll get over 36. And i'll get to the destination faster than her. Anyway good review, but it takes time to make the most of this car. :)
I agree with your description on driving styles. I rent a lot of cars on car share sites. I always beat any advertised MPG with either a straight ICE or hybrid. The coasting is the key, my best so far is mid 60`s per gallon with an Accord hybrid, which claims 48ish. I use my daughters Civic EX-T which claims 40 highway and I get 53ish. I assume I`m not "real world driving" but I like the results I get...
Seems like people keep forgetting PHEV is not an EV. It doesnt have a heat pump so no heat in winter. It is not meant to behave like true EV.
All the toyota fanboys, yes Prime has a heat pump but it doesnt work below -10C anyway, so useless in Canadian winter never the less.
Lack of heat pump isn't the cause, there are ev's without heat pump and my a3 e-tron phev used batteries to heat the cabin even in -20c, dramatically reducing the range though. This is just a different approach.
For the european PHEV versions there is a possibility of pre-heating the cabin while charging the battery at night. So you find your car perfectly warm when you get to use it in the morning and will have no need of getting the engine on for heating purposes. Also, the brake-on stop position before start to move is a design option that I find somehow useful: that saves you the issue of how much you have to press the accelerator to start movement at a traffic jam or shifting traffic light. Finally, I have seen some Spanish reviews on CZcams that make the car reach up to 49.4 miles (yes, forty-nine point four miles, 79 km) in electric mode whit an standard use in suburban routes with long stretches at 100 km (63 mi) per hour and A.C. on, set to 23°C. I am a Toyota fan, in fact I still drive my old Land Cruiser in good use after 15 years and 370.000 km (231.000 miles), but I have decided to buy a Tucson PHEV as soon as I can have it delivered...
I really appreciate your approach in reviewing PHEVs. This is exactly what I was looking for. I had seen one video comparing the Hyundai Santa Fe to the RAV4 Prime and the Santa Fe would not stay in pure electric mode. It looks like it’s little brother is doing the same.
I’m just not a big fan of the RAV4 Prime interior :-(. Do you have any other suggestions?
Thank you! Honestly, Mitsubishi will be coming out with an updated PHEV Outlander at the end of this year, and it could stand to be pretty darn good. The existing model isn't bad, it just feels cheap inside.
Seems like this might be a good option too.
Compared to the RAV4 prime:
Pros: significantly less expensive than the Prime, better interior.
Cons: less powerful electric motor, less EV range, less efficient on the highway, less combined power, need engine to warm the cabin and maybe EV acceleration?
To me, heating the cabin with the engine is not a deal breaker. True, it does not get that cold here, but heated seats and steering might be enough and when it does get cold, it seems like a reasonable compromise to use a little bit of engine heat for that. This can also help ensure we don't get stale gas in the tank.
For me, being less efficient on the highway is more concerning and a better reason to get the RAV4 Prime.
I got 55 mpgs in this vehicle driving from Vermont to Massachusetts (200 miles) on a 87 degree day in July with AC cranking the entire time, two adults, two kids and a bunch of gear. This is a fairly flat drive overall but there are some hills in between. I was driving an average speed of probably 50 mph. I was absolutely blown away that an AWD SUV could get this kind of mileage, as this is better than a Prius, which is lower profile and weighs half a ton less. I ran it in hybrid mode at the beginning and saved most of the electric mode juice for the end of the trip. My takeaway from that experience was that SPEED is one of the biggest factors for efficiency of this particular hybrid. If you are going 75 mph on the interstate you are not going to get even close to 50 mpgs in this vehicle, more like 32-34 over 200 miles. Also a comment on the heat situation....the engine does come on to heat the cabin and will deplete your mpgs off the bat, but it seems to be fairly effective and mpgs will recover as you drive around. Engine doesn't seem to run non-stop in moderate cooler temps like 45-55 degrees. The EV mode can 100% cover a 30+ mile roundtrip commute at highway speeds of 65+ mph in the warmer months, I've done it many times. I often choose to run the car in hybrid mode when cruising on the interstate if I know I am going to surpass the EV range, then turn EV on when I'm on local roads to fully utilize the car's capabilities. Car charges in about 2 hours on a 220 Volt Level 2 charger.
Great test. I was wondering how this PHEV behaves with a less powerful motor.
What is not clear / covered:
1. So you pressed the accelerator too much and the engine kicked in. Will it turn back off, or does it stay on?
2. How fast can you accelerate in electric only mode? Does it become slow? Do you feel needing to kick the engine on only to get adequate acceleration?
I have the Hyundai Santa Fe PHEV and it behaves basically exactly the same in this video.
1. It will turn itself back off once the car feels it doesnt need the extra power anymore
2. The acceleration is lackluster. I feel I need the engine to get adequate acceleration.
I don't think you really understand the difference between PHEV and EV.
Two points from your video I’d like to make, I’ve had hybrids for 3 years now and the first two could heat the cabin through winter without the engine (however) my commute to and from work was achievable on a full battery in the summer, but using heat in winter I could only get one way the electric heater costs mileage, and too much of it, the fact the engine needs to run to heat I feel is more energy efficient as you are using that “waste” heat from the engine to get warm. Although that said I will miss the option of pre-heating.
Second point, gearbox, yep it does feel a bit clunky sometimes when it shifts, but the outlander I used to have with it’s CVT was awful when even applying 50% power, it wanted to rev out the engine to the max, very uncivilised! And it “surged” when cruising on motorways very strange feeling, so I’d rather have the old school auto box shift
is that also kick in engine when you need to cooldown the cabin? or only for a heat?
AC condenser is run off battery, can use AC in the summer without engine kicking on, unlike heat which uses a standard coolant heater core
Way way better option than full ev. I have a Tucson hybrid and its the way to go no plug in but at least theres a dependable ice thatll keep you going. EVs are just not it. Yet! Our power infrastructure cannot handle EVs yet. Not for a long time. Thats where hybrids are the future. Great video.
Well in finland it is very easy to own an EV, dunno about where you live
my 2016 Volt only uses the engine if its bellow 30F or so degrees to warm the liquids so maybe thats what it was trying to do. who knows
What is smart mode? We have checked European models
Driving mode eco or sport then there is power delivery ev hybrid or auto
Then there is terrace mode.
No hyundia says there 12.1 kw available from the 13.8
Wait you leave climate 9n because it would be used to cool or heat or maintain you need to keep it real . How do you stop windows from fogging without your heat. So no climate stays o on
wait so it doesn't have regenerative braking to charge the battery? my 2023 PHEV Jeep does. I am considering to get Tucson PHEV, just wondering now if its worth it? and I am able to use AC and heater on EV mode in my jeep. the battery size is 17KWh and the total range I am getting in good weather is about 42-45km. colder climates i am getting between 35-40km.
It has regenerative braking, just requires you to start pressing the brake pedal to get it to really kick in. They pretty seamlessly blend the regen with the friction brakes, you can look at the gauge in the dash and get a pretty good feel for when you max out regen before they kick in the pads.
As far as the transmission effect, I get the impression Hyundai and Kia with their plugins are trying to maintain the feel of a tradition vehicle… they assume a lot of folks will prefer that.
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It’s funny some like one pedal driving I hate it. I feel it’s more likely to cause an accident as your foot is in the gas. Instead of the break.
This is my concern with plugin-hybrids. I only have charging at work, but it´s not a big problem if I can remote start the car and use the engine to pre-heat it for 5 minutes with seat heating and window anti frost. But once you have your vehicle reasonably warm for driving and you have let´s say 50km EV driving it´s not going to produce any heat from the air conditioning. The air is going to get colder and colder once you start driving in EV mode because you will only have the seat heating. If you have it in "normal" mode it will turn on engine to keep the temperature but the question is how much the engine needs to be used to keep the temperature when it´s like -10 or -20 degrees Celsius outside?
I have seen comments online that Kia Niro plugin-hybrid and Toyota RAV4 plugin-hybrid have heating even when using only EV mode without using the engine. Ironically though RAV4 seems to have problems in general to keep warm temperature in the winter regardless of if it is using the engine or only the EV mode.
Kia Niro seems like the best choice for keeping warm while in EV mode.
Anyone that have experience from these 3 plugin-hybrids in winter EV driving?
I recently test drove a Sorento PHEV in 10 degrees F, so the window you were asking. After the engine had ran long enough to warm up the cabin and the coolant, it shut off and would go EV only. It was able to keep pulling heat from the engine/coolant for a while. Sadly, they hadn't charged the car much, so I did get to 15% SoC and the engine had to kick in again, so I'm not positive how long it can keep pulling the residual heat, but I know it will for a while. Hope this helps.
@@ekbuz Hi I've had my KUGA PHEV 4 months now and the the Ford starts the engine for a minute sometimes to help sustain the temperature if it's freezing degrees outside even if you are using it in ev only mode. It seems like the battery efficiency in freezing degrees is only around 50% of the maximum range stated. This in combination with much higher electric prices and no possibility to charge at home or keep it in a heated garage makes it as expensive as using gas. On the way home from work the car is warm after staying in a heated garage so it makes more sense to use ev only mode then, but cold winter mornings going to work starting a freezing cold car with the current electric prices I go gas all the way to work instead.
@@praeparatus_supervivet Hopefully Spring will come soon and you can get to enjoying the PHEV as it was intended. It sounds like only your drive into work is using gas, but the way home and hopefully all summer will be mostly EV.
Hey in your next video just get it out of the way and say from the start "I'm trying to get a free Toyota"
After finishing the range it automatically turns into normal hybrid?
Correct, when the battery gets down to 15% it works like the normal hybrid and will run the engine to try to keep the charge from going much lower.
It's not an ev. It's a phev. There are two takes.
One is a ev with a gas engine to generate electricity when the power runs out/low. That's more like the rav4 prime.
This is more like a hybrid with a bigger battery to use a lot more electric/efficiency.
Heat pumps are complex. Anyone who says they're just air conditioners run backwards didn't watch the master mechanic who works on primes explain how complex they are.
This car also has a 6 speed transmission. Complaining why you feel gear shifts is kinda weird. Hyundai and Kia have never used CVTs and developed their own hybrid/phev transmissions where they place the electric motor by the torque converter.
This explains it all: czcams.com/video/RydO7TG-KRg/video.html
There's no perfect solution. The one used by hyundai gets better highway mileage instead of city mileage (in general)
That’s why you’re supposed to precondition before driving. To avoid using the gas engine.
When you start driving the temperature will drop so the engine will have to be turned on sometimes anyway. I read some cars like Toyota RAV 4 PHEV and Kia Niro PHEV have electric heater.
Whose CVT has a chain? The EPA comic book says: 42 kWh per 100 miles, that is 2.3 miles per kWh. Your first calculation was off by much.
What do u think is good for doing uber ? Hybrid or plugin hybrid
You can pre heat the cabin while still plugged in can’t you?
Yes, but after you have left your charging station it will start to lose air temperature when you have started to drive in EV mode so it will have to turn on the engine sometimes to keep the temperature.
@@praeparatus_supervivet i believe the idea is when you unplug it you start the engine and it stays heated or continues to warm up. The keeping the cabin warm just gives it a head start.
I'm averging 29mpg driving with as slow acceleration as possible smh. Raterd for 35 on both highway and city
read my comment above ;)
@@hristogluharov9763 hey cool to know, any suggestions on getting more mpg out of the car?
@@nyrubin This applies for both HEV and PHEV with 0 EV range (not charged)
Play with the pedal. This is very important. Don't rest your foot on it the whole time. Of course you can't do that on the highway - I'm talking about city and sub drive, where you can make the most of your EV. Accelerate with more power whenever you can.Then very gently and for a split second hit the break in a way that you won't feel it slowing your car down. What it'll do is, you'll immediately go in EV mode. Then either use momentum (which will regenerate your battery) if you're nearing a turn or a traffic light or hold your foot on the acceleration in a way that you don't get our of EV (of course you can't do this all the time, sometimes you're in a hurry whatsoever). Here's an example - 900 feet between 2 traffic lights, flat terrain. Start off quicker than usual, of course not like a drag racer, but still quicker than most ppl. Press the break like i explained above to go in EV mode for the next 500 feet maintain EV mode with a little gas. This will deplete a bit of your battery. At some point, remove your foot and just use momentum until you reach the traffic light. This way youwill recharge the battery you just used. You'll start with under 15 mpg the first 3-5 seconds depending on your choice, but for the remainder you'll only use EV, which you'll recharge at the end. I guarantee you, by the time you reach that traffic light, you'll be between 35 and 40 mpg, sometimes even more, especially if the distance between your next "stop" is even bigger. If you try the same experiment but starting slow like any other car, you'll immediately go out of EV, but you'll have to continue slowly accelerating almost the whole time, since you'll be moving slower in the beginning. This will result in very low usage of your EV = very high gas consumption. Give it a shot, may not work from the first few times, but you'll get a hold of it i'm sure. Good luck. It's a great car, I adore it.
@@hristogluharov9763 in the city I spent a few days driving while I had my old job I was Averaging 35,36 sometimes 37mpg. But once I relocated to end of the suburbs here in NY that’s when I never got to see another number above 31mpg on a trip, I even tried taking the roof racks off premium gas the whole nine
@@nyrubin interesting, i'm usually better on suburban areas than only city, since there are lots of stop, go, stop go, which is usually one of the highest contributors to poor mileage. Do you have a lot of hills maybe?
It’s not an electric car it’s an phev
36mile EV range is pretty good. Better than spec
The Prime is a better implementarion.
The electricity is never fully depleted as the car witches to hybrid mode at about 1.6 kw and maintains the battery drive asca hev you never drive as pure petrol engine only as thiscis not an option even at highway speeds.
I been running my phev dince july in mixed tien driving with speeds upto 55mph my range is between 50 to 58 miles and high driving i amngetting 48 to 50 miles in ev so like to what you get as many europeans are reporting aroundv50 miles. What are doing different my car switch at 4% battery remaining . The only difference i can see is the lackmof traffic and regen in your journey and very little hills we definate coast morecin europe. But its like your setting are different every other day i travelmthe 56 mile journeys to my parents on warm day i getting the whole distance on ev . You can tell when engine kicks in its not smooth like the toyota and you got thecengine rattle.
i hate cvt transmissions
Good thing this one has a 6 speed auto
How does it feel like? Many Prius have it
It makes no sense to require the engine to turn on in any circumstance in a PHEV with an EV mode. Terrible design choice. Maybe run the test again, but with the heat on? How do it behave then? Does the engine stay on the entire time you have the heat on?
Sorry! but I have to nick pick on this one stupid action, because I find it stupid. Why put the cable on the ground outside when you can just put it in the garage and hang it over the control box you just turn off? That my only issue with the video anyway.
It’s nit pick…
@@iv4nK yes! Thanks for the correction, I enjoy the video nevertheless. 👍🏾👍🏾
Duh! It’s a Hyundai!
It a phev so why on earth would there be one pedal driving. It doesn't need that level if regen as you got an engine.
I am sick of hearing the comparison with ev its not an ev it an ice car with a small electric motor.
It's really stupid. Not a range extending ev I wish it was but it's not why are peoplecompring phev to bev. May aswell. Compare it to steam car.
Compare to hfev to bev
If you want to compare phev to anything it would be hev or e-hev. Phev are classed as ice vehicle.
Rav4 prime does use the engine for heat. Nice misinformation again
A no buy for me. Toyota RAV 4 Prime is my choice.
Me too! I went to our local Toyota dealer yesterday. They are currently charging between $9k and $15k uptick on MSRP! I'm goin to wait a bit.
@@slimshekar My wife and I lucked out our 2022 Prime SE we paid MSRP and not a penny more or dealer add ons. Only waited a month that was just before all this world crisis that is going on now. The $7,500 fed tax credit and the Oregon EV rebate of $2,500 made the price the same or even a little less than the RAV 4 hybrid.
@@alfontana6242 Good for you! We are moving from California to Southern Oregon in August and hope to find an “enlightened” dealer! 😁
@@slimshekar yeah keep waiting. 3 year wait as of last week.....